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General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 20 August 2007, 21:22:58 »

When i got there today engine was struggling to start ,  wasnt on all cylinders, attmpted to bleed filter no go, cracked injector pipes, very little if amy there either, ok removed fuel filter, to find it nearly empty!! anyway cranked engine to check fuel delivery, and nothing came out of the fuel pipe!!! Ok easy way to stop the boy worrying is to remove my fuel filter and fill his up, replace on engine, crank it starts bleed injector pipes and it ticks over on all 6, great except for the noise!!! it hellishly loud diesel knock, having seen the smoke coming out of the exhaust combined with the heavy diesel knock im reasonably convinced the injectors are pouring fuel in like buckets, I may be wrong!! but this is an early engine mated to a late management system, and the centre injector which carries the pieco lead, may have to be changed as they were different plugs which may signify differnt values to the pump!! any thoughts guys???
If its not that it either stuck injectors, or the vave lifters are gummed up and need freeing off or a combination of both!!
Omegatoy

Loud is an understatement

By time engine had cooled and I'd had my tea, it was getting dark.  Drained oil and put fresh in. Not done oil filter yet, as I need to get one.  Found out why the air filer didn't fit - it ain't an Omega one! Hell knows why I bought that then.  Bit like the oil filters for 2.2DTi I got!

  - They may come in handy

The garage should be sorted next weeked, your welcome to pop it by in the evenings. Parents tend to be away during the week  

Oh yes, I remember how I got them now - I'd forgotten the sequence of events (told you my memory was poor).  My own fault for getting an ex-studen to sort it out

93482

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 20 August 2007, 21:16:26 »

Just a thought how is the fuel pump driven, it does not need to be timed to the engine does it that could be causing problems if the timing is out slightly. Not too worried about the spanner for now    

Pump driven off cam cahin I believe, but does have a couple of degrees adjustment...

93483

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 20 August 2007, 21:15:35 »

When i got there today engine was struggling to start ,  wasnt on all cylinders, attmpted to bleed filter no go, cracked injector pipes, very little if amy there either, ok removed fuel filter, to find it nearly empty!! anyway cranked engine to check fuel delivery, and nothing came out of the fuel pipe!!! Ok easy way to stop the boy worrying is to remove my fuel filter and fill his up, replace on engine, crank it starts bleed injector pipes and it ticks over on all 6, great except for the noise!!! it hellishly loud diesel knock, having seen the smoke coming out of the exhaust combined with the heavy diesel knock im reasonably convinced the injectors are pouring fuel in like buckets, I may be wrong!! but this is an early engine mated to a late management system, and the centre injector which carries the pieco lead, may have to be changed as they were different plugs which may signify differnt values to the pump!! any thoughts guys???
If its not that it either stuck injectors, or the vave lifters are gummed up and need freeing off or a combination of both!!
Omegatoy

Loud is an understatement

By time engine had cooled and I'd had my tea, it was getting dark.  Drained oil and put fresh in. Not done oil filter yet, as I need to get one.  Found out why the air filer didn't fit - it ain't an Omega one! Hell knows why I bought that then.  Bit like the oil filters for 2.2DTi I got!

93484

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 20 August 2007, 20:53:06 »

Where there some fuel pipes mising from the donor as there look to be some missing off the old engine ?

No, had to remove to get the loom out, as the stupid BMW designers obviously somehow thought it would be a marvellous idea to trap the cable box under them....

All connected up to the right injectors.....

I assume this engine was good and running very recently before the swap?

Managed to get loom into donor engine without too much injector pipe removal.

Engine was in use until July, when gearbox failed.

93485

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 20 August 2007, 19:19:55 »

OK, Omegatoy, our resident TD expert has had a look. "something aint running right there" is the conclusion.

I've run the oil flush through, and got it to idle properly, and rev a bit more freely.  However, its very noisy, and smokes no end still.  I'm currently draining the oil and flush, as well as cooling system.  Then need to put some nice fresh oil in, along with some lifter treatment.

Need to change the starter, which is fubar (Tunnie and I suspected that last night), and the alternator (fubar).  Also, we suspect the pump in the tank is fubar as well.

As said, this rather car is jinxed.

I hope thats diesel smoke and not oil smoke.....if you see what i mean  :-/
If it is diesel smoke......could it just not be sooted up engine......blowing it all out....or does it smoke a lot an idle as well?

Its unburnt diesel smoke we think.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 20 August 2007, 19:09:53 »

OK, Omegatoy, our resident TD expert has had a look. "something aint running right there" is the conclusion.

I've run the oil flush through, and got it to idle properly, and rev a bit more freely.  However, its very noisy, and smokes no end still.  I'm currently draining the oil and flush, as well as cooling system.  Then need to put some nice fresh oil in, along with some lifter treatment.

Need to change the starter, which is fubar (Tunnie and I suspected that last night), and the alternator (fubar).  Also, we suspect the pump in the tank is fubar as well.

As said, this rather car is jinxed.

93487

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 20 August 2007, 19:04:27 »

I think I would have moved the hammer   I have just emptied the water out of my toolbox and just spent the last hour drying the tools out    

You mean my delicate adjustment tool....

Yes, my tools are all in a mess and strewn all over the place.  I think I may have found your 12mm rachet spanner.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 20 August 2007, 19:02:24 »

Where there some fuel pipes mising from the donor as there look to be some missing off the old engine ?

No, had to remove to get the loom out, as the stupid BMW designers obviously somehow thought it would be a marvellous idea to trap the cable box under them....

93489

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 20 August 2007, 14:22:51 »

Engine in...



TheBoy in...

93490

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 20 August 2007, 14:21:02 »

Still waiting for some strip-down pics to add to my collection....  

Here's one to keep you going....

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General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 20 August 2007, 14:12:43 »

Still waiting for some strip-down pics to add to my collection....  

None taken, but plan is to lift old engine on hoist, and take some from all angles....   ....but need to wait until someone strong enough to help move to where I can get hoist on it...

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General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 20 August 2007, 13:12:14 »

So a massive thankyou to Omegatoy, Kevin Wood, LFF64, Bo Bo, and Tunnie, for your time, your effort, your skills, and your commradeship today.  Personally, despite the fact the rather car is possessed by some evil spirit, I had a very enjoyable day.  Bloody knackered now though.

Thank you

I agree, despite being cold & wet I enjoyed the whole day (well apart from the drive home, boy was I cold  ).

Was great to meet LFF64 & Omegatoy (that's one fast tractor  ) & I learnt a few things  

Sometimes it helps with understanding to see a car stripped like that.  Makes things easier in the future I reckon.  For instance, no way would I have attempted removal of, for example, PAS pump.  Having seen it now, it is so easy.  I'm glad you got some new knowledge from it, although I know we spent most of the afternoon/evening getting the box on

93493

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 20 August 2007, 07:38:44 »

well apparently the procedure is:

Remove

Remove engine cover.
Loosen closure plug on fuel filter approx. two turns.
Actuate starter until fuel escapes free of bubbles at closure plug. Seal closure plug. Collect escaping fuel.

Inspect

Whilst the starter is actuated, loosen all injection lines in sequence at the injection nozzle holder with Line Wrench KM-812, until fuel escapes at the injection lines.
Seal injection lines again – tightening torque 25 Nm / 18.5 lbf. ft.
Collect escaping fuel.
Install engine cover.
... can be found in a certain program (ahem  )

Thanks, will try later

TBH, as it was getting really wet, and the light was going, and my back was killing me, and the backs of my legs were finding muscles not used since I was little, I was more than willing to stop and have another look today.  Its all back together (seemingly correctly!), which was my target for yesterday, so I was pleased with that

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General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 22:57:35 »

Jamie tell me to shut up if you like but. Are you 100% sure theres no air in the system, was it bled from the pump first then the injectors also is the fuel stop valve stuck half way..I am not familier with the BMW td fuel pump but i was a diesel fitter for 11 years and have had the same problems, especially with lots of smoke being pumped out i think i read earlier..

No, I haven't.

Under impression, these were self bleeding - I was expecting air in, but before on old engine, this was cleared fairly quickly.  No obvious bleed near pump or injectors?

I take it is a rotory pump if so slacken off 2 injector pipes on pump just to get air out of pump then 2 on injectors while turning over. you might get air out of it with hand pump if fitted..Always works for me on diesel engines..Does it have a fuel solenoid if so make sure power is going there or give it a light thump with spanner.. Of course as i said im not used to these engines and things have come a long way since i played with things. ECU controlled nightmares..

Not sure what bleeding method is needed, hopefully someone will be able to tell me soon

93495

General Discussion Area / Re: Project Tractor engine swap

« on: 19 August 2007, 22:46:55 »

Jamie tell me to shut up if you like but. Are you 100% sure theres no air in the system, was it bled from the pump first then the injectors also is the fuel stop valve stuck half way..I am not familier with the BMW td fuel pump but i was a diesel fitter for 11 years and have had the same problems, especially with lots of smoke being pumped out i think i read earlier..

No, I haven't.

Under impression, these were self bleeding - I was expecting air in, but before on old engine, this was cleared fairly quickly.  No obvious bleed near pump or injectors?