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Royale Coupe and MOT
« on: 15 December 2015, 19:48:56 »

Friend took it to his garage where he works-gave it a once over and it needs two bits of welding and a set of pads for the mot-booked in for the first week in Jan.
Better than I thought.

Other issues.

Will need a centre bearing and holder for the prop.

Speedo-the speedo is original Royale but the engine and box are Monza 3.0i-there is an electronic take off the box-any ideas on how to get a speedo working?

Heater not blowing hot or even luke warm-even when engine up to temp.

Gearbox rear seal leaking.

Strange feeling through the steering such as worn rubber mountings/bushes you can sometimes feel it through the wheel and hear it especially when on full lock-feels a bit similar to the front bush problems on mark 3 Granadas.

Any advice on the above would be more than welcome!

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Re: Royale Coupe and MOT
« Reply #1 on: 16 December 2015, 01:58:38 »

Will it take a Monza cluster :-\

Heater might simply need flushing, but if that fails be a new matrix...

Otherwise, not a bad fail list given its age etc 8)
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Re: Royale Coupe and MOT
« Reply #2 on: 16 December 2015, 08:33:34 »

Need the speedo drive, should ba a straight swap, lectric to mechanical.
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Re: Royale Coupe and MOT
« Reply #3 on: 16 December 2015, 09:28:16 »

Keith ABS is your man for both advice and parts,

As said, the Monza additions should make for some 'hybrid' electronics. Personally I think you've done fantastic if that's all that is needed for the MoT, great news  :)


Sorry those specific faults are a bit too in-depth for my Royale knowledge.  :( Theoretically, as said, you could get the cluster form a Monza, and 'hack it', to run on the Royale's instrumentation. I think the two binnacles for Royale and Monza are different shapes, givent he two shapes of dash, however, would be great if it was just a plug n play, effectively.


There'll be a product on the market, I'm sure to convert the 'modern' electrical signal to the 'old' worm drive/whatever it be on the Royale. Consider people with modern engines they've transplanted into old Mini Coopers with 60s Smiths gauges etc... they must do it somehow. It is doable, that I do know  :)
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Re: Royale Coupe and MOT
« Reply #4 on: 16 December 2015, 13:23:23 »

Would a sat nav not suffice as a speedo for now? 
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Re: Royale Coupe and MOT
« Reply #5 on: 16 December 2015, 14:48:17 »

Speedo failure is an MOT failure, surely?
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Re: Royale Coupe and MOT
« Reply #6 on: 16 December 2015, 15:19:18 »

Speedo failure is an MOT failure, surely?

Not really unless the tester has reason to drive the vehicle to do say a Tapley test,normal going on a car isn't driven when on test :y
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« Reply #7 on: 16 December 2015, 16:14:45 »

Speedo failure is an MOT failure, surely?

Not really unless the tester has reason to drive the vehicle to do say a Tapley test,normal going on a car isn't driven when on test :y
It's on the rolling road for the brake test and is definitely a fail.


Speedometer
The car will fail if a speedometer is not fitted, is incomplete, inoperative, has a dial glass broken/missing or cannot be illuminated.

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Re: Royale Coupe and MOT
« Reply #8 on: 16 December 2015, 16:49:07 »

Speedo failure is an MOT failure, surely?

Not really unless the tester has reason to drive the vehicle to do say a Tapley test,normal going on a car isn't driven when on test :y
It's on the rolling road for the brake test and is definitely a fail.


Speedometer
The car will fail if a speedometer is not fitted, is incomplete, inoperative, has a dial glass broken/missing or cannot be illuminated.


Copied from current MOT Inspection Manual

6.7 Speedometer
Information

This inspection applies to all vehicles first used on or after 01 October 1937.

If the dial glass is cracked, it is not a Reason for Rejection, providing:
there is no possibility of misreading the speedometer or
there is no possibility fouling of the indicator needle or
the cracked glass does not create a safety hazard.

A Tachograph is an acceptable alternative to a speedometer providing it satisfies the requirements of this inspection.

Method of Inspection

1. Check that a speedometer is fitted.

2. Check the condition of the speedometer.

3. Check that the speedometer can be illuminated.

Reason for Rejection

1. Speedometer not fitted.

2. Speedometer incomplete, clearly inoperative or the dial glass broken or missing.

3. The speedometer cannot be illuminated.

In practical terms provided physically the speedo is undamaged, its function is not checked.  My local MOT guy would not fail a car for a non working speedo, may give an advisory.  If a working tacho fitted, that is an alternative to a speedo anyway under latest regs.

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Re: Royale Coupe and MOT
« Reply #9 on: 16 December 2015, 17:06:10 »

Speedo failure is an MOT failure, surely?

Not really unless the tester has reason to drive the vehicle to do say a Tapley test,normal going on a car isn't driven when on test :y
It's on the rolling road for the brake test and is definitely a fail.


Speedometer
The car will fail if a speedometer is not fitted, is incomplete, inoperative, has a dial glass broken/missing or cannot be illuminated.


Rolling road isn't fast enough to register speed on a lot of vehicles :y
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Re: Royale Coupe and MOT
« Reply #10 on: 16 December 2015, 17:06:35 »

Speedo failure is an MOT failure, surely?

Not really unless the tester has reason to drive the vehicle to do say a Tapley test,normal going on a car isn't driven when on test :y
It's on the rolling road for the brake test and is definitely a fail.


Speedometer
The car will fail if a speedometer is not fitted, is incomplete, inoperative, has a dial glass broken/missing or cannot be illuminated.


Copied from current MOT Inspection Manual

6.7 Speedometer
Information

This inspection applies to all vehicles first used on or after 01 October 1937.

If the dial glass is cracked, it is not a Reason for Rejection, providing:
there is no possibility of misreading the speedometer or
there is no possibility fouling of the indicator needle or
the cracked glass does not create a safety hazard.

A Tachograph is an acceptable alternative to a speedometer providing it satisfies the requirements of this inspection.

Method of Inspection

1. Check that a speedometer is fitted.

2. Check the condition of the speedometer.

3. Check that the speedometer can be illuminated.

Reason for Rejection

1. Speedometer not fitted.

2. Speedometer incomplete, clearly inoperative or the dial glass broken or missing.

3. The speedometer cannot be illuminated.

In practical terms provided physically the speedo is undamaged, its function is not checked.  My local MOT guy would not fail a car for a non working speedo, may give an advisory.  If a working tacho fitted, that is an alternative to a speedo anyway under latest regs.

HTH

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Re: Royale Coupe and MOT
« Reply #11 on: 16 December 2015, 17:11:03 »

STEMO in technical chit chat  :o

Think he needs to know his place that guy, get back in General Discussion  :P :P :P
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Re: Royale Coupe and MOT
« Reply #12 on: 16 December 2015, 17:32:31 »

I've had a MOT pass with a none working speedo  ;)
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Re: Royale Coupe and MOT
« Reply #13 on: 16 December 2015, 18:10:24 »

I was quoting from a document that the AA issued about the changes to MOT in 2012, and that was what I copied.

Tunnie: Read a few of your posts from the outset of the forum, a six year old would make more sense.  ;D

Oh, and comments like 'just unplug it and tell sky it won't switch on, they'll send you a new one' aren't that helpful or accurate, esp. from someone who works for sky.  ;)
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Re: Royale Coupe and MOT
« Reply #14 on: 16 December 2015, 18:29:01 »

If I remember rightly series 1 cars had a narrower[top to bottom instrument cluster than the series 1 1/2 cars onwards.Does the heater fan work?Dash mounted switch for fan a known failure point on series 1.11/2 and 2 cars.Did used to have instrument cluster for series 1 but now only have one for series 11/2 or series 2 cars.
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