Topic: 97 2.5 TD CDX Estate - Which Head Unit? (Read 6090 times)

Scatmancraig · « **on:** 25 June 2016, 08:04:31 »

What head unit should be fitted to a 1997 CDX Estate? Mine has a GM CD player head unit that doesn't seem to want to communicate with the dashboard display. I'm sure it's not the original as in the boot there's a CD changer mounting bracket on the right hand side. So I'm guessing the head unit would have been a tape player?

I'd like to replace the head unit with something that will talk to the dashboard display properly, preferably an original type if there's any out there at a reasonable cost. I also need to replace all 4 speakers as they're all completely fubared, butI guess I can probably get those new locally.

frostbite · « **Reply #1 on:** 25 June 2016, 09:03:30 »

Best checking the bay for a unit, there are a few refurbished on there

gstylebaby · « **Reply #2 on:** 25 June 2016, 09:13:29 »

I have a radio tape player and the changer and maybe able to help with the speakers. I will find out what the model number is of the head unit and changer so you can check if it's compatible if your interested mate. Unless your after the bose setup then I can not help sorry.

annihilator · « **Reply #3 on:** 25 June 2016, 11:04:00 »

You need to hold down buttons 4 & 6 to toggle the different display settings.
8 or 10 digits.to get it to work correctly.
Cdr 500 was a cost option in lieu of car400 rad/cass.

John.

Scatmancraig · « **Reply #4 on:** 25 June 2016, 19:49:13 »

Quote from: gstylebaby on 25 June 2016, 09:13:29

I have a radio tape player and the changer and maybe able to help with the speakers. I will find out what the model number is of the head unit and changer so you can check if it's compatible if your interested mate. Unless your after the bose setup then I can not help sorry.

I may well be interested depending on cost. Not too worried about having the Bose unit, I just want something that's original-ish, and that works properly! The radio reception on the head unit that is in it is not good. I know the old Grundig units fitted to later Senators used to lose the FM reception after a few years, not sure if the ones in the Omega do as well.

gstylebaby · « **Reply #5 on:** 28 June 2016, 08:07:47 »

I have found the speakers just got dig out the tweeters and the radio and changer codes once I have found them I will drop you a pm and we can go from there mate if your still interested that is.
Lee.

Diamond Black Geezer · « **Reply #6 on:** 28 June 2016, 09:11:13 »

if it's a PFL on a 97, not a MFL (have you got radio buttons on the steering wheel?) then it's the SC804 with Philips autochanger. Same as me

No doubt absolutely worthless... until you try and find one, then they're hen's teeth.

terry paget · « **Reply #7 on:** 28 June 2016, 10:34:15 »

On my 2000 CDX estate I have a superb CCRT unit, with 6CD changer in the boot, and it drives a display with an unusual spidery tape face. Pic follows.

terry paget · « **Reply #8 on:** 28 June 2016, 10:36:46 »

Booklet says CCRT 700.

terry paget · « **Reply #9 on:** 28 June 2016, 10:58:35 »

Here's one on e-bay.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CCRT-700-Vauxhall-Philips-Stereo-Car-phone-Vectra-B-Omega-Astra-90533441-/331878701152?hash=item4d45831860:g:YzIAAOSwl-FXM6Xd

Diamond Black Geezer · « **Reply #10 on:** 28 June 2016, 11:01:00 »

OP needs to tell us if he's got wheel-mounted audio controls. '97 was crossover year PFL/MFL

TheBoy · « **Reply #11 on:** 28 June 2016, 20:26:01 »

OP - what is the last LETTER of your VIN, so we can work out if PFL or MFL

TheBoy · « **Reply #12 on:** 28 June 2016, 20:30:20 »

Quote from: terry paget on 28 June 2016, 10:34:15

On my 2000 CDX estate I have a superb CCRT unit, with 6CD changer in the boot, and it drives a display with an unusual spidery tape face.

CCRT700 was only available on 1999 cars, so wouldn't have been fitted to OPs car. The wiring is slightly unique on the CCRT700 and its unique CART display, so not plug and play into non CCRT cars. That said, I retro fitted it to my 1998 MV6 briefly, before ripping it out and fitted the rather more featured NCDR1500 - http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=87632.0

Scatmancraig · « **Reply #13 on:** 29 June 2016, 07:16:29 »

Quote from: Diamond Black Geezer on 28 June 2016, 09:11:13

if it's a PFL on a 97, not a MFL (have you got radio buttons on the steering wheel?) then it's the SC804 with Philips autochanger. Same as me

No doubt absolutely worthless... until you try and find one, then they're hen's teeth.

No steering wheel buttons on mine. So guessing its a PFL.

Scatmancraig · « **Reply #14 on:** 29 June 2016, 07:18:02 »

Quote from: gstylebaby on 28 June 2016, 08:07:47

I have found the speakers just got dig out the tweeters and the radio and changer codes once I have found them I will drop you a pm and we can go from there mate if your still interested that is.
Lee.

I am interested in anything that works with the display on the dash. I can't get the head unit on mine to work at all with the display.

Scatmancraig · « **Reply #15 on:** 29 June 2016, 07:41:03 »

Quote from: annihilator on 25 June 2016, 11:04:00

You need to hold down buttons 4 & 6 to toggle the different display settings.
8 or 10 digits.to get it to work correctly.
Cdr 500 was a cost option in lieu of car400 rad/cass.

John.

I've tried this and nothing

Diamond Black Geezer · « **Reply #16 on:** 29 June 2016, 08:34:09 »

Ahh, good stuff, same as me then

Suspected as much

That's what you need to keep an eye out for, then.

annihilator · « **Reply #17 on:** 29 June 2016, 08:40:29 »

What's the model of cd you have fitted now.?
John.

Scatmancraig · « **Reply #18 on:** 29 June 2016, 08:58:13 »

Quote from: annihilator on 29 June 2016, 08:40:29

What's the model of cd you have fitted now.?
John.

I have a CDR500 head unit. It's pretty basic to look at, the FM reception is rubbish, and nothing on the dashboard display, even after pressing buttons 4 and 6 as described earlier.

Would the CDR500 have still been fitted with a multichanger? As there's definitely a mounting bracket in the boot for one in the boot. To be honest, if I can't get an original looking setup at a reasonable cost, I'll go out and get a cheap new head unit from somewhere, and do away with the dashboard display facility altogether. I only need a decent signal for Radio 2, it's about all I listen to.

The range of head units available in the Omega seems bewildering compared to what was in the Senators/Carltons that I'm more used to. In those you either seemed to either get the Blaupunkt twin tape/cd set up on the earlier cars, or the Grundig system with 10-disc autochanger on later models.

Diamond Black Geezer · « **Reply #19 on:** 29 June 2016, 09:07:35 »

You wouldn't have an Autochanger as well as a CD-head unit, as far as I'm aware. They may have come out the factory with the bracket installed but no autochanger fitted, even if you opted for the CDR unit from new, but I doubt it (no idea why you'd request a single CD player over the standard fit autochanger, either)

DC022 is the autochanger you'd want with it, too. I see you point, you just want a thing to play Radio 2. For donkeys years we didn't have FM, in the end it turned out to the the head unit.

There was a fair old choice, which changed from PFL to MFL, then FL, true.

annihilator · « **Reply #20 on:** 29 June 2016, 10:53:31 »

full procedure is
To reprogram, make sure ignition is switched to position 1 or 2 (doesn't really matter which) Turn off the Radio, Press and Hold Presets "3" & "5" (or 4 & 6 depending on stereo model) at the same time, whilst switching the radio back on, and this will toggle between the two display modes.

Poor reception could be water damage in the roof aerial base.If you only want it for the radio any model will do car300/400 etc.

John.

Scatmancraig · « **Reply #21 on:** 29 June 2016, 12:18:25 »

Quote from: annihilator on 29 June 2016, 10:53:31

full procedure is
To reprogram, make sure ignition is switched to position 1 or 2 (doesn't really matter which) Turn off the Radio, Press and Hold Presets "3" & "5" (or 4 & 6 depending on stereo model) at the same time, whilst switching the radio back on, and this will toggle between the two display modes.

Poor reception could be water damage in the roof aerial base.If you only want it for the radio any model will do car300/400 etc.

John.

I've tried this. With radio off and ignition to postion 1, the top half of the display shows the date. When holding buttons 4 & 6 then switching radio on, the date on the display goes off and thats it!

Which part of the display should show what radio channel I'm on? I'm asking because the brake pad warning message is permanently on in the middle of the display. I presume the sensors are shot. Will the warning message override the radio display?

Good shout with the radio ariel, it doesn't look very clever. Can it be got at without removing the headlining?

annihilator · « **Reply #22 on:** 29 June 2016, 12:35:51 »

Radio frequency/name replaces day/date when on.Just to clarify the ign and radio need to be on then you switch the radio off and then hold the 2 relevant buttons in and then switch the radio back on again.
Are there any pixels missing from the mfd as it's very rare in a car that age to not to have at least a few missing.
John.

annihilator · « **Reply #23 on:** 29 June 2016, 14:49:46 »

I would also check that all 3 rows of the power plug are connected at the back (top one provides display info) and the centre pin of the push on aerial connector is ok as this also causes reception issues.
John.

Scatmancraig · « **Reply #24 on:** 29 June 2016, 16:05:10 »

Well I think I may have found the cause of the lack of dashboard display.....

Clearly someone has been messing about before, and not done a very good job. Numerous wires broken or disconnected. At least it appears that they have tried to reconnect the original connector.

Is there a colour coded wiring diagram list so I know what is supposed to go where?

annihilator · « **Reply #25 on:** 29 June 2016, 18:00:46 »

Here you go

listed as vectra but should be the same.
John

Scatmancraig · « **Reply #26 on:** 29 June 2016, 18:46:42 »

That's spot on thank you.

I guess this will keep me amused working out which wires are not connected that should be!

annihilator · « **Reply #27 on:** 29 June 2016, 18:52:44 »

I'd only worry about the top row as everything else is working.
John.

TheBoy · « **Reply #28 on:** 29 June 2016, 19:20:54 »

And the display type toggle, some stereos have 3 types - 8 digit, 8+2 digit (don't ask!) and 10 digit. So you might have to do it 2 or 3 times to toggle around all the options

If your 1997 car is PFL (last letter of VIN being a T or V), then you have 8 digit display. If MFL (last letter being W), it will be 10 digit.

Scatmancraig · « **Reply #29 on:** 29 June 2016, 21:52:42 »

Is this a cd multi-changer holder or is it for something else? There's no wiring leading to it, I was perhaps thinking it was for a changer when it might be for something different....

VXL V6 · « **Reply #30 on:** 29 June 2016, 22:38:25 »

Yep that's for the CD Changer, if you don't fit another one then i'll buy the bracket off you!

zirk · « **Reply #31 on:** 30 June 2016, 10:44:24 »

Looks like the changer place to me, have a look on the other side and see if you can find an Amp (possibly labeled Phillips) or the connections to one, a lot of late PFL CDX (and early Elites) had a 804 HU and separate Amp in place, on the Saloons the Amp was fitted near the NS rear Wheel Arch.

Diamond Black Geezer · « **Reply #32 on:** 30 June 2016, 13:27:12 »

Monsieur VXL V6 has a PM

Scatmancraig · « **Reply #33 on:** 30 June 2016, 19:25:45 »

Quote from: Doctor Golllum on 30 June 2016, 10:44:24

Looks like the changer place to me, have a look on the other side and see if you can find an Amp (possibly labeled Phillips) or the connections to one, a lot of late PFL CDX (and early Elites) had a 804 HU and separate Amp in place, on the Saloons the Amp was fitted near the NS rear Wheel Arch.

There's nothing on the other side

I suspect someone had an aftermarket head unit in this car as all of the wiring for the original omega connector had been cut. Someone has clearly tried to put the original connector back on, but made a hash of it, so I'll be tidying things up a bit before a head unit goes back in. I guess the CD player that was in it when I got it may well have been the original unit.

Diamond Black Geezer · « **Reply #34 on:** 01 July 2016, 10:05:17 »

Probably a DC022 if mammary serves, if original

gstylebaby · « **Reply #35 on:** 01 July 2016, 21:43:58 »

The radio and changer I have or sale is the ccrt700 from a 1999 mv6. Is this not the one you need then mate? No problem if it's not.

Scatmancraig · « **Reply #36 on:** 02 July 2016, 10:02:38 »

Quote from: gstylebaby on 01 July 2016, 21:43:58

The radio and changer I have or sale is the ccrt700 from a 1999 mv6. Is this not the one you need then mate? No problem if it's not.

Unfortunately, the radio display on the dash is different on that head unit, and an earlier post on here suggests it isn't compatible with my car without modification.

gstylebaby · « **Reply #37 on:** 04 July 2016, 17:16:02 »

That's o.k mate no problem you still interested in the speakers?

Scatmancraig · « **Reply #38 on:** 04 July 2016, 18:33:02 »

Quote from: annihilator on 29 June 2016, 18:00:46

Here you go

listed as vectra but should be the same.
John

Started to have alook at the wiring today, and immediately there's a problem.

I presume that some of the wires numbered 17 to 26 are there to control the dash display. The problem is that I'm not exatly sure which ones. And as there are 4 that are brown/white, how am I supposed to work out which one is which? The ones on mine have all been cut, so whilst I know which one is which at the connector end, I don't knew which is which at the display end!

Can anyone help work this puzzle out?

Diamond Black Geezer · « **Reply #39 on:** 11 July 2016, 09:53:53 »

You've got PM Craig. If you like, wait until billing, we'll ream my HU out and you can take whatever photos you like. It's all greek to me, but if you literally copy exactly how my original un-molested wiring is, can't go far wrong.

annihilator · « **Reply #40 on:** 11 July 2016, 19:15:45 »

To be honest even if you look at an uncut loom you're going to be non the wiser as all the relevant cables all merge into one loom.

You just need to concentrate on the brown/white wires as per top row of iso connector
17 scl
18 mrq
22 sda
personally I'd just connect the br/white cables until you find the correct combination.
John.

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