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[Shackeng]

I shouldn't grumble, we must have had it 15 -20 years, but our Creda has just packed up. Model is Simplicity T620CW. It is, as it says on the tin, Simplicity to operate.
Symptoms are:
When On/Off push button selected On, with timer selected to anywhere but zero, (ie motor should run), the starter relay operates with no rotation of drum, and the main cct breaker in the house consumer unit trips.
When On/Off push button selected On, with timer at zero, (ie no demand to rotate) the starter relay operates but does not trip the house cct breaker. I have checked the supply lead for shorts which is OK.
Any electrickery experts with any ideas? I'm thinking possibly a short in the motor.

[redelitev6]

  That doesn't sound good

[dave the builder]

If the RCD is tripping , then either +Live or -neutral is "leaking" to put it in simple terms
could be many things
damp (common in a dryer by nature) causing a short to earth
heather element gone,shorting out
motor damp/carbon brush debris
damage to any of the insulation of internal wiring loom

with the machine un-plugged you could have a look inside for damage. loose wire,damp
(damp you can dry with a hair dryer)

[plym ian]

Don’t buy a new one as they are so confusing to operate. There must be about 20 odd drying settings on mine. All i want is to dry my clothes so i can wear them lol

I would say its more moisture got into the motor somehow and causing the short

[TheBoy]

Confirm which trip - RCD or normal trip?

If RCD, I'd suggest looking at element first, if main, go looking for a short somewhere, and inspect the loom.

Should be reasonably easy to trace it down, by simply unplugging element or motor (or any other component for that matter).

[Shackeng]

Thanks Dave, thinking about it, I moved it to another room shortly before it failed and some water spilled from the condenser tank, so damp may be the answer if the water got onto any of the electrickery at the bottom. I have the top off at present, but will get underneath tomorrow.
It is the main RCD that trips.
Ian, I agree, I looked at replacing it due age, but the new ones have all sorts of controls, who needs them? This one is so simple I would like to hang onto it if I can.
Cheers guys, I'll let you know if I get on to it tomorrow. Trouble is, I moved it from the utility room to do some floor leveling and lay some new vinyl  tiles, so these take priority.

[STEMO]

Thanks Dave, thinking about it, I moved it to another room shortly before it failed and some water spilled from the condenser tank, so damp may be the answer if the water got onto any of the electrickery at the bottom. I have the top off at present, but will get underneath tomorrow.
It is the main RCD that trips.
Ian, I agree, I looked at replacing it due age, but the new ones have all sorts of controls, who needs them? This one is so simple I would like to hang onto it if I can.
Cheers guys, I'll let you know if I get on to it tomorrow. Trouble is, I moved it from the utility room to do some floor leveling and lay some new vinyl  tiles, so these take priority.

Not only do the new ones have daft settings like 'iron dry'(still wet),'cupboard dry'(damp)and 'extra dry'(almost dry) they never dry them to my liking and I always have to take some things out and leave some in to do again.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Thanks Dave, thinking about it, I moved it to another room shortly before it failed and some water spilled from the condenser tank, so damp may be the answer if the water got onto any of the electrickery at the bottom. I have the top off at present, but will get underneath tomorrow.
It is the main RCD that trips.
Ian, I agree, I looked at replacing it due age, but the new ones have all sorts of controls, who needs them? This one is so simple I would like to hang onto it if I can.
Cheers guys, I'll let you know if I get on to it tomorrow. Trouble is, I moved it from the utility room to do some floor leveling and lay some new vinyl  tiles, so these take priority.

Not only do the new ones have daft settings like 'iron dry'(still wet),'cupboard dry'(damp)and 'extra dry'(almost dry) they never dry them to my liking and I always have to take some things out and leave some in to do again.

You are very domesticated.

In England we have women to perform menial chores. It gives them a sense of purpose.

You know more about tumble dryer settings than is good for you.

[TheBoy]

We have a washing line.  That never blows trips.

[STEMO]

Thanks Dave, thinking about it, I moved it to another room shortly before it failed and some water spilled from the condenser tank, so damp may be the answer if the water got onto any of the electrickery at the bottom. I have the top off at present, but will get underneath tomorrow.
It is the main RCD that trips.
Ian, I agree, I looked at replacing it due age, but the new ones have all sorts of controls, who needs them? This one is so simple I would like to hang onto it if I can.
Cheers guys, I'll let you know if I get on to it tomorrow. Trouble is, I moved it from the utility room to do some floor leveling and lay some new vinyl  tiles, so these take priority.

Not only do the new ones have daft settings like 'iron dry'(still wet),'cupboard dry'(damp)and 'extra dry'(almost dry) they never dry them to my liking and I always have to take some things out and leave some in to do again.

You are very domesticated.

In England we have women to perform menial chores. It gives them a sense of purpose.

You know so much more about everything than i do.

I don't mind the menial chores. After all, my wife has to go out to work for 12 hours every weekday, in order to keep me in the manner to which I've become accustomed. Pressing a few buttons is the least I can do. 
And you're quite right, I do know more than you about everything.

[TD]

Is it a full size one? as I know where there is a nearly new 1/2 size one going cheap....simple controls on it.....ie timer and 1/2 or full heat.......tho it isn't a condensing dryer....

[BazaJT]

It's the Omega owners thinking,it's old,it's knackered and it's worthless so it's got to be repaired rather than replaced.

[relluf]

We have a washing line.  That never blows it dry😊

Ftfy

[Shackeng]

Is it a full size one? as I know where there is a nearly new 1/2 size one going cheap....simple controls on it.....ie timer and 1/2 or full heat.......tho it isn't a condensing dryer....

Yes full size Dave, only 6Kg though. I am horrified at the price of new ones, probably because of all the programmes we don't want.

[Shackeng]

It's the Omega owners thinking,it's old,it's knackered and it's worthless so it's got to be repaired rather than replaced.

Nah, I've always thought this way. If it can be fixed, fix it.

[Doctor Gollum]

New one could be ordered, delivered and installed in the time it takes to work out which piece of electrickery has broken... 

[Shackeng]

New one could be ordered, delivered and installed in the time it takes to work out which piece of electrickery has broken... 

But not for the price.

[Sir Tigger KC]

New one could be ordered, delivered and installed in the time it takes to work out which piece of electrickery has broken... 

If you'd bothered to read the thread properly, you'd know that Shack is afraid of modern tumble driers!     

[Doctor Gollum]

That much is clear from the get go

Unfortunately twin tubs don't last for ever...

[plym ian]

Thanks Dave, thinking about it, I moved it to another room shortly before it failed and some water spilled from the condenser tank, so damp may be the answer if the water got onto any of the electrickery at the bottom. I have the top off at present, but will get underneath tomorrow.
It is the main RCD that trips.
Ian, I agree, I looked at replacing it due age, but the new ones have all sorts of controls, who needs them? This one is so simple I would like to hang onto it if I can.
Cheers guys, I'll let you know if I get on to it tomorrow. Trouble is, I moved it from the utility room to do some floor leveling and lay some new vinyl  tiles, so these take priority.

Not only do the new ones have daft settings like 'iron dry'(still wet),'cupboard dry'(damp)and 'extra dry'(almost dry) they never dry them to my liking and I always have to take some things out and leave some in to do again.

You are very domesticated.

In England we have women to perform menial chores. It gives them a sense of purpose.

You know so much more about everything than i do.

I don't mind the menial chores. After all, my wife has to go out to work for 12 hours every weekday, in order to keep me in the manner to which I've become accustomed. Pressing a few buttons is the least I can do. 
And you're quite right, I do know more than you about everything.

Where she work? Downt mine with whippet int tow 

[Nick W]

That much is clear from the get go

Unfortunately twin tubs don't last for ever...

My mother doesn't understand why they're so hard to buy....

[STEMO]

Thanks Dave, thinking about it, I moved it to another room shortly before it failed and some water spilled from the condenser tank, so damp may be the answer if the water got onto any of the electrickery at the bottom. I have the top off at present, but will get underneath tomorrow.
It is the main RCD that trips.
Ian, I agree, I looked at replacing it due age, but the new ones have all sorts of controls, who needs them? This one is so simple I would like to hang onto it if I can.
Cheers guys, I'll let you know if I get on to it tomorrow. Trouble is, I moved it from the utility room to do some floor leveling and lay some new vinyl  tiles, so these take priority.

Not only do the new ones have daft settings like 'iron dry'(still wet),'cupboard dry'(damp)and 'extra dry'(almost dry) they never dry them to my liking and I always have to take some things out and leave some in to do again.

You are very domesticated.

In England we have women to perform menial chores. It gives them a sense of purpose.

You know so much more about everything than i do.

I don't mind the menial chores. After all, my wife has to go out to work for 12 hours every weekday, in order to keep me in the manner to which I've become accustomed. Pressing a few buttons is the least I can do. 
And you're quite right, I do know more than you about everything.

Where she work? Downt mine with whippet int tow 

Don't be silly. She doesn't take the dog with her.

[aaronjb]

We have a washing line.  That never blows trips.

But you're still waiting for the clothes you put out in February to dry... 

[Shackeng]

Success, after warming it up with a fan heater overnight, it now works OK. Clearly water got into something when I moved it.

Thanks all for suggestions. Another OOF facility not envisaged when it started I opine.

[Mister Rog]

Success, after warming it up with a fan heater overnight, it now works OK. Clearly water got into something when I moved it.

Thanks all for suggestions. Another OOF facility not envisaged when it started I opine.

Give the reported failures of tumble driers, fridge freezers etc causing fires (IE: Grenfell Tower), I would have got rid of it rather than some makeshift solution to an ancient appliance. I like to sleep at night. 

 

[Kevin Wood]

There have been plenty of scandals regarding modern tumble driers catching fire. 

Largely, I suspect, because users CBA to clean the filters.

[aaronjb]

There have been plenty of scandals regarding modern tumble driers catching fire. 

Largely, I suspect, because users CBA to clean the filters.

Or, in Hotpoint's case, "We can save 0.0005p on this component, it'll just push the MTBF up 5%"*


(*Probably. I'm speculating)

[dave the builder]

sounds like it lasted 20 years without catching fire so far 
I've fixed many appliances in my time ,to many to remember 
if you want a basic dryer that is reliable, cheap,cheap parts ,easy to fix
get  a simple white knight vented one

[Kevin Wood]

There have been plenty of scandals regarding modern tumble driers catching fire. 

Largely, I suspect, because users CBA to clean the filters.

Or, in Hotpoint's case, "We can save 0.0005p on this component, it'll just push the MTBF up 5%"*


(*Probably. I'm speculating)

Where MTBF = Mean Time Before Fire!

or

Mean Time Before Fekkking RUN!!!

.. and the fix for the Hotpoint ones appears to be to install a thermal trip that requires the machine to be stripped down to reset, and it trips about once a month.

[TheBoy]

We have a washing line.  That never blows it dry😊

Ftfy

Whats wrong with a washing line? Far better than a stupid fire generator.

[relluf]

We have a washing line.  That never blows it dry😊

Ftfy

Whats wrong with a washing line? Far better than a stupid fire generator.

No nothing at all 😊
It's what we use all the time,no tumble dryer here!
But it takes forever at this time of year, a pair of jeans have been out for a week or so now!
Maybe when spring gets her😊

[TheBoy]

Must be the exposed breeze here, dries in an hour, even now, assuming rain holds off that long.

[Shackeng]

Success, after warming it up with a fan heater overnight, it now works OK. Clearly water got into something when I moved it.

Thanks all for suggestions. Another OOF facility not envisaged when it started I opine.

Give the reported failures of tumble driers, fridge freezers etc causing fires (IE: Grenfell Tower), I would have got rid of it rather than some makeshift solution to an ancient appliance. I like to sleep at night. 

Huh???

[Shackeng]

We have a washing line.  That never blows it dry😊

Ftfy

Whats wrong with a washing line? Far better than a stupid fire generator.

For some reason 'er indoors does washing almost every day, and given the amount of rain we get, inevitably the tumble drier gets called into use. But I agree, the washing line is much better, and still gets plenty of use.

[ronnyd]

SWMBO wouldn,t be without her washing line. Unfortunately a lot of people these days don,t have a garden big enough.

[TheBoy]

SWMBO wouldn,t be without her washing line. Unfortunately a lot of people these days don,t have a garden big enough.

That's when you share with the house opposite