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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

While we are subject and continue incorporating the EU rules to keep single market compatibility, May-Robbins weasel words 'common rules', which is the EU rule book or 'acquis communautaire' all the laws, rules and regulations that define the EU, there is no Brexit, there are no red lines as the EU can erase these as and when they wish as single market rules like insisting on the complete free movement of people, common tax rates, trading only with an adopted common currency, transparent borders for people as well as goods, payable fees for us benefitting from 'frictionless trade', ECJ supremacy and anything else they decide, and the EU are masters at extending regulation especially into new areas.

We will become as always planned a vassal province of the EU dictatorship on even worse terms than now as we will have no representation or say on any new laws, rules or regulations. The EU 'acquis communautaire' is their army of occupation.

There will be NO FTAs with countries outside of the EU as they will all insist on reciprocal standards which is incompatible with our EU straight jacket on goods and agricultural products. So no big gains from ROW trading, cheaper food etc.

The May-Robbins EU pact will be to the UK the biggest sell out to foreign interests and countries this country has suffered since Traitor Heath took us into the EEC and any Europe country since the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop was to Poland.

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 I could be mistaken but you seem to be suggesting that Brexit isn't going to plan, Mr Rods.

[Sir Tigger KC]

 I could be mistake but you seem to be suggesting that Brexit isn't going to plan, Mr Rods.

I usually love a good irony, but not this one! 

Parliament voted to have a referendum on whether or not it and it's laws should be supreme and promised to implement whatever decision the British people came to. 

The people decided that Parliament should be supreme, but it was a decision that Parliament didn't want or expect.  However, amidst much wailing and knashing of teeth, Parliament then voted to start the process of restoring it's own supremacy.   

Since then it appears that Parliament dosnt really want the supremacy that the people decided that it should have as it seems hell bent on giving away it's supremacy just as soon as it regains it. 

Ironic. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Brexit is going to plan, but its Olly Robbins plan. He has never stood for election to anything in his life, yet is deciding the whole future of this country.

I heard today that there is a campaign to bring back the charge of high treason. Lets hope it succeeds and soon.

[Varche]

So dogs breckers soft Brexit will be put to the EU. The EU will want amendmens and concessions.

Hard line Brexiteers will emerge from hiding to try and topple May.

The great British public might wake up from their torpor.

You couldnt make it up

Oh and in April there is going to be a shortage of sandwiches.

Stop press. Barnier just rejected UK collecting trade fees.

[Doctor Gollum]

Surely not your surprised face... 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Stop press. Barnier just rejected UK collecting trade fees.

May's response? 

Oh dear, we'll just have to prostrate ourselves to the Commission and accept that we have no alternative but to stay in the single market and customs union. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

It would now appear that the EU have left the UK with only two options. Complete surrender or No deal.
My guess is that they are banking on Mrs weak & wobbly caving in completely. We can only hope that the men in grey suits escort her off the political stage before she does it.
For better or worse, I think it would be worth betting a few quid on Boris becoming PM before Christmas.

[Doctor Gollum]

Well, the only consistency in this whole clusterfluck is No Deal...

And even a brain dead worm knows that No Deal is infinitely better than being permanently butt raped.

So perhaps we are finally getting somewhere...

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Dominic Grieve said today that if we leave with no deal, it will bring about a state of emergency. 
Project fear goes into hyperdrive. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Dominic Grieve said today that if we leave with no deal, it will bring about a state of emergency. 
Project fear goes into hyperdrive. 

How about Anna Soubry for PM?


Any Brexiteers up for that?

[ronnyd]

I see "Bigears Gary Lineacre"  is putting in his four pennarth for another referendum. Stick to footy mate.

[Sir Tigger KC]

How about Anna Soubry for PM?

I don't know about PM, but she seems to have a permanent case of PMT! 

Seriously though, given that her constituency voted leave, her actions since seems like she is not representing the good people of Broxbourne.    So the question is, who is she representing? 

Whose back pocket is Anna Soubry in? 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

How about Anna Soubry for PM?

I don't know about PM, but she seems to have a permanent case of PMT! 

Seriously though, given that her constituency voted leave, her actions since seems like she is not representing the good people of Broxbourne.    So the question is, who is she representing? 

Whose back pocket is Anna Soubry in? 

Bit of a 'gobby mare' but surely this second referendum idea is dead in the water. I don't want one. We lost. Shit happens.

There may be consequences but nothing the UK can't handle (I hope)

This 'watery Brexit' the PM is so keen on pleases nobody. It makes us look submissive.

[LC0112G]

As I see it there are 3 basic options.

1) Some/Any kind of soft BREXIT deal. Bound to upset hard Brexiteers and remainers alike and will perpetuate the Tory party problems. HMG and EU can't seem to agree on very much, and time is running out. An extension to negotiations past March is possibly, but seems unlikely to me unless some of the key questions are answered soon.

2) Hard BREXIT on WTO terms. Apparently little support in parliament for that, so not likely IMV.

3) Withdraw Art50 before end March and remain in. Can't see that being politically acceptable without another referendum.

I think the politicians are going to say that because no-one can decide/agree what to do, they'll throw it back to the people with another referendum. The question will be do we stay in as we are, or hard BREXIT on WTO.

If the answer is BREXIT on WTO, then that's it, we crash out at the end of March and start from scratch.

If the answer is remain, then we withdraw the Art50 notification. No-one knows for sure if this is actually possible, and if challenged the ECJ will have to decide so it'll rumble on for a few years before we know where we are.

[Varche]

A couple of observations on your post in which you have summed up the situation pretty well.

If there is a vote on a clearly worded and explained "stay as we are" or Brexit on WTO then:

1. The vote must be a minimum threshold and an explanation of what happens if it is 48%:52% say. maybe if it was a minimum of 70% and that wasn't achieved then Britain goes ahead with Brexit BUT with a cross party steering group to ensure buy in from all parties. Anyone who thinks that is wrong? Well what happens if there is a war? Do some parties say we aren't interested we vote against war as the enemy land on our beaches?. This latter point sums up what has gone wrong so far but then Cameron started the rot with his lack of clarity on what people were voting for plusses and minuses and a minimum threshold.


2. Stay as we are needs explaining as I doubt we would keep the opt outs plus the UK would be a cowed version of its previous self despite outwardly being welcomed back warmly.   


3. A cast iron legal guarantee to offer the public a vote in x years time (say 15) so that in the (in my view likely event) of the EU failing to reform that we could get out. A lot of older people , myself included, voted out because they could not see any reform, only greater federalisation with ultimately having to take the euro etc. The timing of the vote was questionable but it was possibly the ONLY opportunity ever to vote on "EU" having joined a "common market" That legal guarantee might make Junckers successor think hard about change having just averted disaster in terms of losing the British cash cow and the ensuing trade friction and years of distrust on both sides of the channel.