Topic: Monza F1, may contain spoilers (Read 4345 times)

Varche · « **on:** 01 September 2018, 12:16:13 »

Anyone see the Marcus Ericsson crash yesterday? DRS failed to close!

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ericsson-in-huge-high-speed-crash-at-monza/

I am thinking Ferarri 1,2 with Hamilton third. Be nice to see Raikkonen show his usual late season, contract signing turn of speed and beat Vettel.

I shall have to wait to watch the quali highlights. No access to pay to view even if I wanted.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #1 on:** 01 September 2018, 13:37:09 »

I seriously doubt Kimi would be allowed to beat Vettel. Im still believing / hoping for a Hamilton win.

Varche · « **Reply #2 on:** 01 September 2018, 14:52:40 »

Do the rain dance again then please?

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #3 on:** 01 September 2018, 15:08:15 »

Istr someone (Lord Opti) saying recently that Kimi is old and too slow. He has just done the fastest lap in the history of F1 !
Tomorrow is another day, and apparently it may well rain.

Varche · « **Reply #4 on:** 01 September 2018, 18:19:01 »

Really enjoyed quali. Well done Kimi.

Omegatoy · « **Reply #5 on:** 01 September 2018, 18:40:29 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 01 September 2018, 15:08:15

Istr someone (Lord Opti) saying recently that Kimi is old and too slow. He has just done the fastest lap in the history of F1 !
Tomorrow is another day, and apparently it may well rain.

as said before Kimi is a hell of a driver,
but whats the betting if he has a perfect start,
leads from start to finish
he still wont be allowed to win!

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #6 on:** 01 September 2018, 18:45:52 »

Agreed. I would be very surprised if he was allowed to win.

Varche · « **Reply #7 on:** 01 September 2018, 18:47:11 »

Racing certainty. Team sport. Same as Bottas is there now to get Hamilton to the drivers championship.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #8 on:** 01 September 2018, 18:53:11 »

The difference with Ferrari is that the team has been built around Vettel since he got there. He is always the number one, while it seems Bottas has volunteered to help Hamilton, if he can, for the rest of the season.

Field Marshal Dr. Opti · « **Reply #9 on:** 01 September 2018, 20:31:33 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 01 September 2018, 15:08:15

Istr someone (Lord Opti) saying recently that Kimi is old and too slow. He has just done the fastest lap in the history of F1 !
Tomorrow is another day, and apparently it may well rain.

Mrs Kimi gave him a blowjob just before he went out. It's the only reasonable answer.

STEMO · « **Reply #10 on:** 02 September 2018, 11:40:22 »

Quote from: Omegatoy on 01 September 2018, 18:40:29

Quote from: Migv6 on 01 September 2018, 15:08:15
Istr someone (Lord Opti) saying recently that Kimi is old and too slow. He has just done the fastest lap in the history of F1 !
Tomorrow is another day, and apparently it may well rain.
as said before Kimi is a hell of a driver,
but whats the betting if he has a perfect start,
leads from start to finish
he still wont be allowed to win!

Kimi is 11/4 to win, Vettel is 8/13. Draw your own conclusions.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #11 on:** 02 September 2018, 13:56:24 »

Its 40 years ago that the great Sideways Swede Ronnie Peterson had his terrible accident, from which he died the next day, at the start of the race at Monza.

I remember it, and the shock of seeing it happen, like it was yesterday.

STEMO · « **Reply #12 on:** 02 September 2018, 15:37:51 »

I enjoyed that

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #13 on:** 02 September 2018, 16:08:23 »

I quite enjoyed it too.

Imo, despite the fact the Ferrari is the faster car. Vettel will only win the championship if his car can be quick enough to disappear off into the distance at the start of the races and he can build a lead for a few laps and then cruise home, as the Red Bull was most of the time he drove it..
Its the fastest car, but probably not fast enough for him to win the title. Which is a very good thing. imo it would be a travesty for him to be a five times world champion. He isn't that good.

Rods2 · « **Reply #14 on:** 02 September 2018, 17:47:40 »

Yep, IMO Vettel is not a very talented driver, whereas Hamilton & Kimi are both racers & very talented drivers. Hamilton in the slightly slower car has upped his game & looks like he is enjoying the challenge of beating Vettel. If he makes it a fifth world championship I suspect it will be the most satisfying of them all as a result of this.

The wet also always sorts the men out from the boys as Hamilton has shown this season in qualifying & in races.

Varche · « **Reply #15 on:** 02 September 2018, 20:38:49 »

He is the man.

That race shows just how good he is compared to the rest.

tunnie · « **Reply #16 on:** 02 September 2018, 21:09:08 »

I flicked on at lap 20, glad I did. Probably best race this season, did like the ending. "Formation lap please, for our Italian colleagues"

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #17 on:** 02 September 2018, 21:21:37 »

The overtaking between Hamilton and Kimi showed how it should be done. Very hard but completely fair with each other. Drivers with real class and finesse.
Vettel panics and is a clumsy driver in the heat of battle. And cant accept blame for his mistakes. Hamilton knows this and exploits it imo.
Unfortunately young Verstappen is looking increasingly like he is developing a similar attitude to Vettel which is a shame, as he undoubtedly has a lot of raw talent.

tunnie · « **Reply #18 on:** 02 September 2018, 21:29:46 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 02 September 2018, 21:21:37

The overtaking between Hamilton and Kimi showed how it should be done. Very hard but completely fair with each other. Drivers with real class and finesse.
Vettel panics and is a clumsy driver in the heat of battle. And cant accept blame for his mistakes. Hamilton knows this and exploits it imo.
Unfortunately young Verstappen is looking increasingly like he is developing a similar attitude to Vettel which is a shame, as he undoubtedly has a lot of raw talent.

Yup

henryd · « **Reply #19 on:** 02 September 2018, 23:25:35 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 02 September 2018, 21:21:37

The overtaking between Hamilton and Kimi showed how it should be done. Very hard but completely fair with each other. Drivers with real class and finesse.
Vettel panics and is a clumsy driver in the heat of battle. And cant accept blame for his mistakes. Hamilton knows this and exploits it imo.
Unfortunately young Verstappen is looking increasingly like he is developing a similar attitude to Vettel which is a shame, as he undoubtedly has a lot of raw talent.

Yes agreed,both German and Dutchman lets themselves down today

TheBoy · « **Reply #20 on:** 03 September 2018, 17:25:29 »

Oh dear, did I miss another wasted 2 hrs of paint drying boredom. Ho hum.

STEMO · « **Reply #21 on:** 03 September 2018, 17:31:30 »

Quote from: TheBoy on 03 September 2018, 17:25:29

Oh dear, did I miss another wasted 2 hrs of paint drying boredom. Ho hum.

You'd have actually liked this one, it was full of incident. I knew it was a proper race cause the time flew by.

TheBoy · « **Reply #22 on:** 03 September 2018, 17:40:10 »

Quote from: STEMO on 03 September 2018, 17:31:30

Quote from: TheBoy on 03 September 2018, 17:25:29
Oh dear, did I miss another wasted 2 hrs of paint drying boredom. Ho hum.
You'd have actually liked this one, it was full of incident. I knew it was a proper race cause the time flew by.

I was too busy sending drones around a certain airstrip I have access to. I suspect I had more fun...

STEMO · « **Reply #23 on:** 03 September 2018, 17:43:35 »

Well.......if you didn't enjoy this race, then you don't like F1. So bog off yer grumpy old ficker

TheBoy · « **Reply #24 on:** 03 September 2018, 18:17:36 »

Quote from: STEMO on 03 September 2018, 17:43:35

Well.......if you didn't enjoy this race, then you don't like F1. So bog off yer grumpy old ficker

Oi! I resent the "old"

...oh, hang on a minute, yes, you're right

STEMO · « **Reply #25 on:** 03 September 2018, 18:26:19 »

Quote from: TheBoy on 03 September 2018, 18:17:36

Quote from: STEMO on 03 September 2018, 17:43:35
Well.......if you didn't enjoy this race, then you don't like F1. So bog off yer grumpy old ficker
Oi! I represent the "old"

That's what I said, innit?

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #26 on:** 11 September 2018, 13:36:08 »

Wekk, Kimi and Leclerc are to swap teams next season. Cant see how it will be good for either of them. Leclerc isn't going to take the F1 world by storm when he isn't allowed to beat Vettel. Kimi is near the end of his career and I don't know why he would want to bother moving from the front of the grid to midfield.
I just hope that he feels badly treated by Ferrari now, and doesn't do Vettel any favours for the rest of this season.

tunnie · « **Reply #27 on:** 11 September 2018, 13:45:48 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 11 September 2018, 13:36:08

Wekk, Kimi and Leclerc are to swap teams next season. Cant see how it will be good for either of them. Leclerc isn't going to take the F1 world by storm when he isn't allowed to beat Vettel. Kimi is near the end of his career and I don't know why he would want to bother moving from the front of the grid to midfield.
I just hope that he feels badly treated by Ferrari now, and doesn't do Vettel any favours for the rest of this season.

I think Leclerc will show that Vettel what the rear wing of his car looks like

I also think Ferrari see that Vettel is not the driver they thought they hired.

Varche · « **Reply #28 on:** 11 September 2018, 14:02:05 »

Didn't see that coming.

39 years old. Why didn't he just retire? Bit like Jenson Button from memory. He won't win any dry races with Sauber but will keep on earning good money. Does he need more?

Had a look at some of his stats.

Although Raikkonen won only one World title, he twice finished runner up with a further two P3s to his name.
His 20 grands prix wins puts him tied for 15th on the all-time record along with Mika Hakkinen while he is only the fifth driver in history to achieve 100 podiums.

As for Leclerc I hope he shows Vettel a clean pair of heels and gets told to let him past. Good move by Ferrari. train a young driver up for Vettels retirement and put a spark under Vettel (maybe)

Where is Ocon going? Raikkonen has stopped one young up and coming driver getting a seat.

tunnie · « **Reply #29 on:** 11 September 2018, 14:23:58 »

Quote from: Varche on 11 September 2018, 14:02:05

Didn't see that coming.

39 years old. Why didn't he just retire? Bit like Jenson Button from memory. He won't win any dry races with Sauber but will keep on earning good money. Does he need more?

Had a look at some of his stats.

Although Raikkonen won only one World title, he twice finished runner up with a further two P3s to his name.
His 20 grands prix wins puts him tied for 15th on the all-time record along with Mika Hakkinen while he is only the fifth driver in history to achieve 100 podiums.

As for Leclerc I hope he shows Vettel a clean pair of heels and gets told to let him past. Good move by Ferrari. train a young driver up for Vettels retirement and put a spark under Vettel (maybe)

Where is Ocon going? Raikkonen has stopped one young up and coming driver getting a seat.

As already been said, he is a racer, I think he just loves racing and money etc is all just a nice extra. Be a very nice extra.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #30 on:** 11 September 2018, 15:04:59 »

I very much doubt Leclerc will be allowed to beat Vettel. The team is built around Vettel. I can only imagine he has been convinced to look at the longer term, as Vettel may well retire in the not too distant future.
Ocon, has a problem as he is a Toto Woolf / Mercedes protégé and non Mercedes engine teams don't want him on a short term contract until he gets a Mercedes contract.
McLaren and Red Bull have both said this ruled him out of their considerations for their drivers for next year.

tunnie · « **Reply #31 on:** 11 September 2018, 17:08:29 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 11 September 2018, 15:04:59

I very much doubt Leclerc will be allowed to beat Vettel. The team is built around Vettel. I can only imagine he has been convinced to look at the longer term, as Vettel may well retire in the not too distant future.
Ocon, has a problem as he is a Toto Woolf / Mercedes protégé and non Mercedes engine teams don't want him on a short term contract until he gets a Mercedes contract.
McLaren and Red Bull have both said this ruled him out of their considerations for their drivers for next year.

I think that could change though, they've given him the fastest car overall this season.

He binned it in Germany all on his own, he is throwing away the title this year.

I think there are doubts in the red team, that he is their main driver.

Varche · « **Reply #32 on:** 11 September 2018, 17:31:47 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 11 September 2018, 15:04:59

I very much doubt Leclerc will be allowed to beat Vettel. The team is built around Vettel. I can only imagine he has been convinced to look at the longer term, as Vettel may well retire in the not too distant future.
Ocon, has a problem as he is a Toto Woolf / Mercedes protégé and non Mercedes engine teams don't want him on a short term contract until he gets a Mercedes contract.
McLaren and Red Bull have both said this ruled him out of their considerations for their drivers for next year.

Well it is an inponderable as it assumes Leclerc will be quick out of the box. How would theystp him outqualfying Vettel and thus leading the race? For sure at that stage they could instruct him to let Vettel be by. Bring on next year .

Agree re Ocon. Be a shame if he doesnt get a drive though.

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #33 on:** 11 September 2018, 19:52:00 »

Vettel has the reputation of a four time world champion. That kind of kudos takes a long time to dim in F1.
If Leclerc obviously outdrives him regularly as Riciardo did, then that will do the trick but it will take time. From Ferraris point of view at the moment, the only reason to give Vettel the cold shoulder would be if Hamilton jumped ship to drive for them and that aint going to happen in the next couple of years.

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