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« on: 18 February 2019, 18:10:52 »

Losing seven of it's MP's.  ::) What a pity the Tories are split into two parties too because, the last time this kind of thing happened, Thatcher stayed in power for ten years.
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Re: Poor Labour
« Reply #1 on: 18 February 2019, 18:15:07 »

Both parties are utterly useless, apart from a few good people in each of them. Labour though, has been taken over by the left wing equivalent of the BNP. It might just destroy itself in the next few years.
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Re: Poor Labour
« Reply #2 on: 18 February 2019, 18:16:25 »

We can only hope...
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Re: Poor Labour
« Reply #3 on: 18 February 2019, 20:12:10 »

May is toast come April.

Then we will see the Tories disintegrate too.
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« Reply #4 on: 18 February 2019, 20:16:50 »

May is toast come April.

Then we will see the Tories disintegrate too.
Here's a question...

Where are you registered to vote?
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« Reply #5 on: 18 February 2019, 22:30:18 »

Good question.

Until recently we could vote in local elections and for an MEP but not in national elections in Spain. We were ( only just) qualified to vote in the Brexit referendum.

The minute we get back home next month we are going to ask at the town hall if we can vote in the omni shambles of Spains GE in April.  I suspect we expats will be unable to vote in any elections anywhere in Spring especially if no deal happens.
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Re: Poor Labour
« Reply #6 on: 18 February 2019, 22:42:03 »

The whole Government is falling apart, its been doing it for years now. The sooner these so called MPs, Politicians, Servants or what ever you want to call them realize there here to serve the People rather than fight amoungst themselves and there own beliefs and personal agendas the better.

We were having a similar debate over a Beer a few nights back about Brexit, one thing that Brexit has brought to light for the normal non followers of our so called Leaders in Power is the childish stupidity of our Government no matter what side of the fence your on or who you support.
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Re: Poor Labour
« Reply #7 on: 18 February 2019, 23:03:14 »

The whole Government is falling apart, its been doing it for years now. The sooner these so called MPs, Politicians, Servants or what ever you want to call them realize there here to serve the People rather than fight amoungst themselves and there own beliefs and personal agendas the better.

We were having a similar debate over a Beer a few nights back about Brexit, one thing that Brexit has brought to light for the normal non followers of our so called Leaders in Power is the childish stupidity of our Government no matter what side of the fence your on or who you support.

Couldnt agree with you more. The ordinary man in the street votes then the politicians studiously ignore them.
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Re: Poor Labour
« Reply #8 on: 19 February 2019, 00:25:10 »

Completely agree. This has highlighted what a bunch of self serving, dishionest, loathsome turds most of them are.
The "crisis" has been created by the fact that most of them represent leave constituencies, but they want the result to be ignored / overturned, while still claiming to be respecting and implementing it.
I would have shred of respect for them if they stood up and stated their true intentions.
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Re: Poor Labour
« Reply #9 on: 19 February 2019, 00:30:51 »

Completely agree. This has highlighted what a bunch of self serving, dishionest, loathsome turds most of them are.
The "crisis" has been created by the fact that most of them represent leave constituencies, but they want the result to be ignored / overturned, while still claiming to be respecting and implementing it.
I would have shred of respect for them if they stood up and stated their true intentions.

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« Reply #10 on: 19 February 2019, 00:36:37 »

Good question.

Until recently we could vote in local elections and for an MEP but not in national elections in Spain. We were ( only just) qualified to vote in the Brexit referendum.

The minute we get back home next month we are going to ask at the town hall if we can vote in the omni shambles of Spains GE in April.  I suspect we expats will be unable to vote in any elections anywhere in Spring especially if no deal happens.
Why, as a resident of another country, should you* be able to vote here? Surely at some point you will need to decide if you are legally British or Spanish? I don't mean by birth or spiritually, but rather on a practical level as the very act of emigration should forfeit your constitutional rights (not including earned state pensions at the appropriate age as that is a different matter) in the country from which you emigrated, otherwise, what's the point?

Presumably, at some point after Brexit and any 'amnesty' period has passed you'll need to make the decision one way or tother...

*For clarity, 'you' applies just as much to those living here from other countries... Apologies for apparently singling you out, but asking a valid question that I don't believe has been  previously asked ;)
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« Reply #11 on: 19 February 2019, 00:41:57 »

Completely agree. This has highlighted what a bunch of self serving, dishionest, loathsome turds most of them are.
The "crisis" has been created by the fact that most of them represent leave constituencies, but they want the result to be ignored / overturned, while still claiming to be respecting and implementing it.
I would have shred of respect for them if they stood up and stated their true intentions.
And the establishment can't get their heads around Donald Trump becoming President of the United States... ::)
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« Reply #12 on: 19 February 2019, 08:54:08 »

Good question.

Until recently we could vote in local elections and for an MEP but not in national elections in Spain. We were ( only just) qualified to vote in the Brexit referendum.

The minute we get back home next month we are going to ask at the town hall if we can vote in the omni shambles of Spains GE in April.  I suspect we expats will be unable to vote in any elections anywhere in Spring especially if no deal happens.
Why, as a resident of another country, should you* be able to vote here? Surely at some point you will need to decide if you are legally British or Spanish? I don't mean by birth or spiritually, but rather on a practical level as the very act of emigration should forfeit your constitutional rights (not including earned state pensions at the appropriate age as that is a different matter) in the country from which you emigrated, otherwise, what's the point?

Presumably, at some point after Brexit and any 'amnesty' period has passed you'll need to make the decision one way or tother...

*For clarity, 'you' applies just as much to those living here from other countries... Apologies for apparently singling you out, but asking a valid question that I don't believe has been  previously asked ;)

The situation for expats is quite complicated. Presumably one issue is that you may return to your home country one day so it takes that into account. However for a big chunk of years you cannot vote in national elections in your adopted country or home country. It changes if you take nationality but even then it is complex.

We wont be able to vote in the Spanish GE because we didnt check we were registered on the electoral roll by end of January due to our current seven week tour. We can vote for our local Spanish town hall mayor but not in the May Elections.

We havent been able to vote in UK GE’s for 14 years as not on the electoral register in UK but can in referendums.

A lot of expats prior to Brexit led a double life picking the best options like a menu. E.g. kept a UK address so vote in UK  GEs . The authorities know about it but expats dont form a large group for anyone to worry about. There wont be an outcry for example when expat OAPs in the EU have state pension increases frozen.
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« Reply #13 on: 19 February 2019, 11:21:55 »

Pension freezes aren't a big deal as the vast majority of expats have become so with some form of private income. The state pension is then effectively an bonus rather than critical income.
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Re: Poor Labour
« Reply #14 on: 19 February 2019, 13:49:52 »

Pension freezes aren't a big deal as the vast majority of expats have become so with some form of private income. The state pension is then effectively an bonus rather than critical income.

You might be right that it's minimal amounts of money, but if you've paid into the system all your working life, why should your pension be frozen just because you decide to see out your days elsewhere.  ::)
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