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[scimmy_man]

on the other hand people who have never paid in get a pension.

[Doctor Gollum]

Pension freezes aren't a big deal as the vast majority of expats have become so with some form of private income. The state pension is then effectively an bonus rather than critical income.

You might be right that it's minimal amounts of money, but if you've paid into the system all your working life, why should your pension be frozen just because you decide to see out your days elsewhere. 

Why should it increase if you are no longer contributing to the pot to fund the increases? By this I mean paying local taxes on goods and services rather than employment contributions. Incidentally, private pensions are, I believe, taxed at the relevant income tax rate based on the country/state that the person is resident/draws the payment in rather where the fund is held.

Equally, I don't see why someone on benefits their entire lives should be given anything beyond basic shelter and food stamps once of retirement age...

[Marks DTM Calib]

Pension freezes aren't a big deal as the vast majority of expats have become so with some form of private income. The state pension is then effectively an bonus rather than critical income.

You might be right that it's minimal amounts of money, but if you've paid into the system all your working life, why should your pension be frozen just because you decide to see out your days elsewhere. 

Why should it increase if you are no longer contributing to the pot to fund the increases? By this I mean paying local taxes on goods and services rather than employment contributions. Incidentally, private pensions are, I believe, taxed at the relevant income tax rate based on the country/state that the person is resident/draws the payment in rather where the fund is held.

Equally, I don't see why someone on benefits their entire lives should be given anything beyond basic shelter and food stamps once of retirement age...

Or before.....

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Agreed.  ...……..and I speak as someone has been on benefits for a time just over ten years ago.

[STEMO]

on the other hand people who have never paid in get a pension.

Not any more. You need 35 years NI contributions to get a full state pension, the amount you get drops by 1/35 for every year you missed. Obviously, once you get below a certain level, your money is made up from another benefit, not sure which one.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Ruth George, a Labour MP and a Corbyn ally (according to reports), has suggested that the break away Labour MP group is funded by Israel! 

They don't learn do they? 

[Rods2]

With Corbyn funded by Iran the two parties should get on like a house on fire. Coordinated left-wing voting anybody?

[Sir Tigger KC]

Aaand they've had another defection!    Joan Ryan MP for Enfield North.

Thought for the day.

Yesterday the Labour Party lost Luciana Berger, but gained Derek Hatton! 

[STEMO]

Aaand they've had another defection!    Joan Ryan MP for Enfield North.

Thought for the day.

Yesterday the Labour Party lost Luciana Berger, but gained Derek Hatton! 

The good people of Liverpool are extremely pissed off about DH being taken back into the fold. Liverpool council was run by the Lib Dems for years before Labour got in, and the way things are going.........

[STEMO]

Aaand they've had another defection!    Joan Ryan MP for Enfield North.

Thought for the day.

Yesterday the Labour Party lost Luciana Berger, but gained Derek Hatton! 

Three Tories have joined them just now. Eleven and counting.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

If they had a shred of honour (extremely doubtful) they would resign their seats and stand for re election. *
Apparently swivel eyed Soubry,s constituency are desperately trying to find a way to get rid of her, which is probably why she has taken this route.

* A peoples vote. A second chance for people to have their say, now that they are more informed, and now know that they weren't in full possession of the facts when they voted for them last time. 

[Olympia5776]

If they had a shred of honour (extremely doubtful) they would resign their seats and stand for re election. *
Apparently swivel eyed Soubry,s constituency are desperately trying to find a way to get rid of her, which is probably why she has taken this route.

* A peoples vote. A second chance for people to have their say, now that they are more informed, and now know that they weren't in full possession of the facts when they voted for them last time. 

I'm watching her,and her two cohorts, just now .
The three of them are displaying an unbelievable and breathtaking arrogance. Everybody is wrong and they are shining beacons of righteousness.
When asked if they should stand for re election she grimmaced and said no.
It should be a matter of course that if any MP changes or dismisses the platform they were elected on they should automatically have to go for re election.
They/she has/have sunk to a new and unbelievable low.
I find they and the eight yesterday ,repugnant.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Aaand they've had another defection!    Joan Ryan MP for Enfield North.

Thought for the day.

Yesterday the Labour Party lost Luciana Berger, but gained Derek Hatton! 

Three Tories have joined them just now. Eleven and counting.

All the fault of JRM and the ERG.......apparently.

[Doctor Gollum]

Aaand they've had another defection!    Joan Ryan MP for Enfield North.

Thought for the day.

Yesterday the Labour Party lost Luciana Berger, but gained Derek Hatton! 

Three Tories have joined them just now. Eleven and counting.

All the fault of JRM and the ERG.......apparently.

I blame Brexit...

Runs and hides

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

What she referred to as Blukip (official name is Bluewave) is mostly people who were previously Tory supporters / members/ voters who defected to UKIP. Now that UKIP has imploded, they have gone back to the Tory party to influence things in order to protect the referendum result and try to prevent it from being overturned or ignored.
I joined the Tory party 6 months ago in order to have a vote in getting rid of May, but that turned out to be a waste of time.
Many others have joined in Constituencies where MP,s such as Soubry are persuing their own agenda in defiance of their own Constituencie voters and the overall result of the referendum.
Several of them were facing deselection and votes of no confidence so, have jumped ship to save their own skins, and persue their agenda which is the opposite of the manifesto they stood for election on.
They cannot possibly justify this without standing down and calling a by election, but they are filled with self interest, so wont do the right thing.