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[joshwyatt]

Hello all,
This might seem a bit of a strange request or idea but here goes:
I've currently got a facelift 2.2 petrol CDX saloon. I'm really happy with it, with the exception that when you put your foot down there's not much sense of urgency. It's a large car and I think the 2.2 is only just adequate. So I thought maybe a V6 model would be better, but there simply aren't any for sale near me to go and try.
So this is my rather pecuilar idea...I was wondering if someone would take me for a drive in their facelift V6 so I can see if there's much difference? Being cheeky I'd prefer a manual. Of course I'm happy to pay for your time and petrol. Just name a price. I can't really think of any alternative that'd work. I'm located in Kidlington which is 4 miles from Oxford city centre.

[Entwood]

If you can get yourself down to Swidnod you can certainly have a seat in mine ..   3.2 V6    but it is an auto (the only sort there should be ...    )

You might will be surprised just what an auto can do when pressed ..

[NiallyV6CDX]

The 3.0 manual knocks about 2.5 seconds off the 0-60 time.
The 2.5/2.6 are a little lazy as standard and knock just over a second off.
So 2.5/2.6 = noticeable improvement.
3.0/3.2 = Massive improvement

[tunnie]

Josh, i am actually using mother tunnies 3.0 Elite estate at the moment, i could take you on a blast.

Having a 2.2 as my main drive, i find the V6's pull better at the high speeds. Once you get to 60/65 ish the 2.2 starts to slow a bit, and then once at 70/75 thats about it.

The 3.0 pulls really strong from 50-100. What i notice is the ooodles of power cruising at 60 ish.

Being an estate, i do get some odd looks from punks in little 'hot' hatches 

[tunnie]

If you can get yourself down to Swidnod you can certainly have a seat in mine ..   3.2 V6    but it is an auto (the only sort there should be ...    )

You might will be surprised just what an auto can do when pressed ..

Rubbish!

Driving around in mother tunnies 3.0 auto has made me miss my manual loads.

I do shift the auto manually, as i like to hold onto gears longer than the box does, but its no the same.

Give me a manual anyday!

[joshwyatt]

Thanks Entwood and Tunnie for the offer. If you wouldn't mind I'd very much like to take you up on your offer Tunnie. I've met you before (service station in Bicester) and as ever you're a top bloke
I totally agree, at 75 the 2.2 runs out of puff, forever changing down to get up and go.

[ScottieMV6]

If you can get yourself down to Swidnod you can certainly have a seat in mine ..   3.2 V6    but it is an auto (the only sort there should be ...    )

You might will be surprised just what an auto can do when pressed ..

Rubbish!

Driving around in mother tunnies 3.0 auto has made me miss my manual loads.

I do shift the auto manually, as i like to hold onto gears longer than the box does, but its no the same.

Give me a manual anyday!

Agreed!!!

I had a 3.0 auto before my current manual. IMO there is a noticeable difference between the two.

You have a lot more control with a manual and don't need to wait for the box to kickdown. You select your gear before the corner etc. and then power out of it without having to wait.

3 pedals definitely better than 2!!!

[Entwood]

If you can get yourself down to Swidnod you can certainly have a seat in mine ..   3.2 V6    but it is an auto (the only sort there should be ...    )

You might will be surprised just what an auto can do when pressed ..

Rubbish!

Driving around in mother tunnies 3.0 auto has made me miss my manual loads.

I do shift the auto manually, as i like to hold onto gears longer than the box does, but its no the same.

Give me a manual anyday!

Agreed!!!

I had a 3.0 auto before my current manual. IMO there is a noticeable difference between the two.

You have a lot more control with a manual and don't need to wait for the box to kickdown. You select your gear before the corner etc. and then power out of it without having to wait.

3 pedals definitely better than 2!!!

If you know how to handle the auto you can do exactly the same when in "boy racer" mode, and if you combine "boy racer" mode with "sports mode" on the box .... ... it's fun time ... just don't look at the instantaneous consumption ........ 

[ScottieMV6]

If you can get yourself down to Swidnod you can certainly have a seat in mine ..   3.2 V6    but it is an auto (the only sort there should be ...    )

You might will be surprised just what an auto can do when pressed ..

Rubbish!

Driving around in mother tunnies 3.0 auto has made me miss my manual loads.

I do shift the auto manually, as i like to hold onto gears longer than the box does, but its no the same.

Give me a manual anyday!

Agreed!!!

I had a 3.0 auto before my current manual. IMO there is a noticeable difference between the two.

You have a lot more control with a manual and don't need to wait for the box to kickdown. You select your gear before the corner etc. and then power out of it without having to wait.

3 pedals definitely better than 2!!!

If you know how to handle the auto you can do exactly the same when in "boy racer" mode, and if you combine "boy racer" mode with "sports mode" on the box .... ... it's fun time ... just don't look at the instantaneous consumption ........ 

I don't disagree with that mate and I do know how to handle the auto but if you are going to do that you may as well have a manual 

[Entwood]

If you can get yourself down to Swidnod you can certainly have a seat in mine ..   3.2 V6    but it is an auto (the only sort there should be ...    )

You might will be surprised just what an auto can do when pressed ..

Rubbish!

Driving around in mother tunnies 3.0 auto has made me miss my manual loads.

I do shift the auto manually, as i like to hold onto gears longer than the box does, but its no the same.

Give me a manual anyday!

Agreed!!!

I had a 3.0 auto before my current manual. IMO there is a noticeable difference between the two.

You have a lot more control with a manual and don't need to wait for the box to kickdown. You select your gear before the corner etc. and then power out of it without having to wait.

3 pedals definitely better than 2!!!

If you know how to handle the auto you can do exactly the same when in "boy racer" mode, and if you combine "boy racer" mode with "sports mode" on the box .... ... it's fun time ... just don't look at the instantaneous consumption ........ 

I don't disagree with that mate and I do know how to handle the auto but if you are going to do that you may as well have a manual 

Ahh .. but with a manual you have do that ALL the time .... with an auto you can choose "boy racer" mode or "quiet, gentile, placid, comfortable" mode whenever you want ... best of both worlds .. 

[Omega man 2]

Auto's are for little girls, nuff said

[sidewaysmv6]

Auto's are for little girls, nuff said

really gettin into the ron burgungy character there lad!!        ''and if you disagree.... i will fight you''   

[Omega man 2]

Auto's are for little girls, nuff said

really gettin into the ron burgungy character there lad!!        ''and if you disagree.... i will fight you''   

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLuK-EBkcww[/media]

[TheBoy]

You're welcome for a blast in my prefacelift MV6 3.0 auto if you ever pass Brackley

[joshwyatt]

Thanks TB, appreciate the offer
I was thinking of popping up to you sometime for some tech2 fun lol. There's no dash lights or anything, but thought it may be a good idea to run the tech2 over it to see if there are any things a miss.

[Del Boy]

If you can get yourself down to Swidnod you can certainly have a seat in mine ..   3.2 V6    but it is an auto (the only sort there should be ...    )

You might will be surprised just what an auto can do when pressed ..

Rubbish!

Driving around in mother tunnies 3.0 auto has made me miss my manual loads.

I do shift the auto manually, as i like to hold onto gears longer than the box does, but its no the same.

Give me a manual anyday!

I totally agree tunnie mate, manual boxes are so much better 

[Monza]

I really apreciated my Auto on a 2 hour 40 mile stop start trip round the M25 the other morning it was great

[Andy B]

 

[feeutfo]

Play time Mr B. Come along. You know you want to :-)
Used to be a manual only sort of bloke, these days, really cant be arsed with 3 pedals. Get in, 1 leg 1 arm, and arrive. ... and if you want to play, Sports mode will see off most stuff, give you engine breaking and rev out when you want. Will give you the lag getting back on the power issue, but come off the brakes earlier and let it run in, youll be back on the gas ready with a steady throttle and the slack taken up. With a 3.2 its not so much of an issue and is safer anyway ime. For 0.5 seconds of frustration out of a corner, i would happily swap that for a less frenzied easy drive 99.9999% of the time.
From the lights i find most heavy footed spotty hoods are still waiting for the clutch to bite.

[tunnie]

Thanks TB, appreciate the offer
I was thinking of popping up to you sometime for some tech2 fun lol. There's no dash lights or anything, but thought it may be a good idea to run the tech2 over it to see if there are any things a miss.

TB would be able to show you more what a 3 can do, the estate being mother tunnies, i can't chuck it about too much! 

[Andy B]

Play time Mr B. Come along. You know you want to :-) .....

I really can't be mythered!        

They'll grow up one day and realise that 2 feet equates perfectly to the 2 pedals that lard arse cars like Omegas should have.    
I really am NOT against manuals gearboxes in cars that should have 3 pedals ...... they're just a PITA for everday use, I know cos I drive one every day to work!       

[sidewaysmv6]

i think in a big powerful car with a LSD a manual gearbox is essential!!

[joshwyatt]

Haha I agree Tunnie, might not be so fun going home to explain to your mum why her estate has only got one front wing now...better cooling maybe
I prefer a manual gearbox, auto's are slower and have worse fuel economy. Why would you choose that? I must admit there have been about 4 times I've thought an auto would be nice. Driving around Bristol on some of the hills, and when I'm in thick traffic. But all the other times I prefer a manual, it's never in the wrong gear, and if it is it's my fault 
And a totally different question...how do you get the blue box in posts saying ''so and so'' says? I suppose like quoting someone.

[Entwood]

Haha I agree Tunnie, might not be so fun going home to explain to your mum why her estate has only got one front wing now...better cooling maybe
I prefer a manual gearbox, auto's are slower and have worse fuel economy. Why would you choose that? I must admit there have been about 4 times I've thought an auto would be nice. Driving around Bristol on some of the hills, and when I'm in thick traffic. But all the other times I prefer a manual, it's never in the wrong gear, and if it is it's my fault 
And a totally different question...how do you get the blue box in posts saying ''so and so'' says? I suppose like quoting someone.

top right of every post is a little box that says "quote" ... click it .. 


(and I managed that with only 2 pedals !!!!     )

[joshwyatt]

Haha I agree Tunnie, might not be so fun going home to explain to your mum why her estate has only got one front wing now...better cooling maybe
I prefer a manual gearbox, auto's are slower and have worse fuel economy. Why would you choose that? I must admit there have been about 4 times I've thought an auto would be nice. Driving around Bristol on some of the hills, and when I'm in thick traffic. But all the other times I prefer a manual, it's never in the wrong gear, and if it is it's my fault 
And a totally different question...how do you get the blue box in posts saying ''so and so'' says? I suppose like quoting someone.

top right of every post is a little box that says "quote" ... click it .. 


(and I managed that with only 2 pedals !!!!     )

Thanks Entwood. Maybe I am wrong, a lot of people on here are singing the praises of auto's.
I've got to to Wales sometime soonish, and I go near Swindon so maybe you can prove me wrong with your auto. If you still wouldn't mind I'd like a ride in your 3.2

[Entwood]

Haha I agree Tunnie, might not be so fun going home to explain to your mum why her estate has only got one front wing now...better cooling maybe
I prefer a manual gearbox, auto's are slower and have worse fuel economy. Why would you choose that? I must admit there have been about 4 times I've thought an auto would be nice. Driving around Bristol on some of the hills, and when I'm in thick traffic. But all the other times I prefer a manual, it's never in the wrong gear, and if it is it's my fault 
And a totally different question...how do you get the blue box in posts saying ''so and so'' says? I suppose like quoting someone.

top right of every post is a little box that says "quote" ... click it .. 


(and I managed that with only 2 pedals !!!!     )

Thanks Entwood. Maybe I am wrong, a lot of people on here are singing the praises of auto's.
I've got to to Wales sometime soonish, and I go near Swindon so maybe you can prove me wrong with your auto. If you still wouldn't mind I'd like a ride in your 3.2

You'd be welcome .. just let me know when .

[ngrainqey]

if only they did a dsg auto box with a gearstick that moved like a manual in the "H" shape so on demand you can change from P,R,D,3,2,1 to 1,2,3,4,5,R lol
and that way you can have auto relaxedness and some fuel economy (with clutched dsg box) and then manual mode for when you feel like actually driving the thing!

[Andy B]

......
Maybe I am wrong, a lot of people on here are singing the praises of auto's. .......

As has been 'discussed' many  many times before there's no right or wrong when it comes to auto vs manual. What always gets me though, is that those who insist on only wanting a manual have usually based this on a spin around the block in their mates auto, when they were still getting tied up with their feet etc, and have vowed to never ever having an auto.
In the real world I reckon most people would find that their auto will keep up most of the time with a manual. In the real world, we don't drop the clutch to get the 0 - 60 times that the mags/etc claim a particular car should have!

My daughter has just started driving have passed her test 18 months ago. As her Mum's car is an auto she has had to get to grips with just the 2 pedals. She thinks it's fantastic and can't get her head around why everyone bangs on about 'being in control' in their manuals!         

[Andy B]

if only they did a dsg auto box with a gearstick that moved like a manual in the "H" shape so on demand you can change from P,R,D,3,2,1 to 1,2,3,4,5,R lol
and that way you can have auto relaxedness and some fuel economy (with clutched dsg box) and then manual mode for when you feel like actually driving the thing!

My mate's Citroen something-or-other years ago was similar to that. A manual looking gear lever but only 3 forward gears R was where you'd expect 1, 1st was underneath where 2nd should have been etc and no clutch pedal. That car really did mash your head in, as your hand went to change gear your foot would follow on the press a clutch that wasn't there!!  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?       

[Omega man 2]

......
Maybe I am wrong, a lot of people on here are singing the praises of auto's. .......

As has been 'discussed' many  many times before there's no right or wrong when it comes to auto vs manual. What always gets me though, is that those who insist on only wanting a manual have usually based this on a spin around the block in their mates auto, when they were still getting tied up with their feet etc, and have vowed to never ever having an auto.
In the real world I reckon most people would find that their auto will keep up most of the time with a manual. In the real world, we don't drop the clutch to get the 0 - 60 times that the mags/etc claim a particular car should have!

My daughter has just started driving have passed her test 18 months ago. As her Mum's car is an auto she has had to get to grips with just the 2 pedals. She thinks it's fantastic and can't get her head around why everyone bangs on about 'being in control' in their manuals!         

I have to admit I'm guilty of this  but, after comparing two omegas of the same engine size I reckon the auto just doesnt have the same responsiveness when you want it. Although I'd probably take an auto over a manual if the omega came with a big lazy v8 8-)

[Andy B]

.....
 but, after comparing two omegas of the same engine size I reckon the auto just doesnt have the same responsiveness when you want it.  .....

You need more practice in an auto!          
There is a lag between planting your foot & the transmission catching up but you do soon learn to take it into account! 

I have to admit I still do sometimes get tied up myself. My Omega is obviously auto, wife's Astra is auto but my Astra shed is manual, so sometimes when I drive her Astra I press my clutch which her's doesn't have ..... possibly that's one of the reasons they don't encourage you to drive auto's with 2 feet!       

[TheBoy]

Whilst I like manuals, the Omega manual box isn't my favourite by a long shot.  I'm also of the opinion that a big comfy cruiser like the Omega should be an effortless drive, and that means auto.

I suspect many have made their opinions of autos on knackered, poor quality boxes.  They perhaps should go for a blast in an auto thats silky smooth and responsive like mine

[RichardH]

I have to admit I'm guilty of this  but, after comparing two omegas of the same engine size I reckon the auto just doesnt have the same responsiveness when you want it. Although I'd probably take an auto over a manual if the omega came with a big lazy v8 8-)

If you ever find yourself down in the Tipperary area pop in and I will give you a proper spin in my car.  It's the first auto I have ever owned and I love it . 

There is obviously a delay on getting power down as the gearbox kicks down, but you really get used to it and anticipate it.  And that damn S button is so addictive.  I really need to tape over it with something as it's costing me a fortune! :-)

I find the major difference over a manual though is with the normal day to day cruising and driving through towns.  It really saves the old left leg from all that clutching.

[Big Fra]

I always preferred manuals, and my mig was a manual, but 2nd gear and 4k with the foot to the floor, made me a happy, and skint, boy.

My Mazda 6 I got after the mig is an auto, and I love it. A little sluggish at times but a great, effortless drive.

I do believe an autobox suits the Mig's characteristics perfectly, and with the sport button.....

Manual cars have a certain crispness, which a large car like the omega does not suit.
SWMBO's Megane diseasel is only the 80hp version, but it certainly is fun on the twisty's and the torque of the engine makes up for the hp disadvantage.

That's my tuppence worth.

 

[Omega man 2]

I have to admit I'm guilty of this  but, after comparing two omegas of the same engine size I reckon the auto just doesnt have the same responsiveness when you want it. Although I'd probably take an auto over a manual if the omega came with a big lazy v8 8-)

If you ever find yourself down in the Tipperary area pop in and I will give you a proper spin in my car.  It's the first auto I have ever owned and I love it . 

There is obviously a delay on getting power down as the gearbox kicks down, but you really get used to it and anticipate it.  And that damn S button is so addictive.  I really need to tape over it with something as it's costing me a fortune! :-)

I find the major difference over a manual though is with the normal day to day cruising and driving through towns.  It really saves the old left leg from all that clutching.

Ah break, I was only down in Co. Tipp last week