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[stevief]

Follow up from the last thread is that the exchange unit from Vauxhall has lasted all of 17 days before breaking down.

CD unit has gone on the new unit but it's a better failure this time as the CDs don't load so the unit doesn't have to be taken apart to get them out, not bad for the second time the cartridge was out of the player.

Phoned the dealer this morning and another one has been ordered so I'll see how it lasts.

If the next one fails it will be a case of money back and an e-mail to BOSE to get their recommendation for another head unit before ripping the system out as there is no point in having a quality amp and useless head unit. Can't even point to the Philips system as being a let down because the CD player at home uses the same type of cartridge system and it is 20 odd years old and has never given any problems.

Still it's good to get the old tapes out!!

Steve

[SteveD]

Keep us posted - i'm driving roound with CD SAFE at the moment after a flat battery. Radio & cass work fine.

[stevief]

New unit ordered Monday, arrived Wednesday, fitted (by the extremely helpfull parts lad) today. All working so far and been told if there are any other problems to give them a shout and they'll get another replacement.

Pinged an e-mail off to BOSE but I doubt if it will getthrough the system at work so I'll resend sometime from home.

As to the CD SAFE message I am now on my third radio and at no time has there meen a code supplied for the CD player as it takes it power from the radio cassette so it looks like a comms problem between units.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Follow up from the last thread is that the exchange unit from Vauxhall has lasted all of 17 days before breaking down.

CD unit has gone on the new unit but it's a better failure this time as the CDs don't load so the unit doesn't have to be taken apart to get them out, not bad for the second time the cartridge was out of the player.

Phoned the dealer this morning and another one has been ordered so I'll see how it lasts.

If the next one fails it will be a case of money back and an e-mail to BOSE to get their recommendation for another head unit before ripping the system out as there is no point in having a quality amp and useless head unit. Can't even point to the Philips system as being a let down because the CD player at home uses the same type of cartridge system and it is 20 odd years old and has never given any problems.

Still it's good to get the old tapes out!!

Steve

Not that hard to interface to the bose unit....it simply requires a balanced input which can be made using speaker outputs and a few resistors....

[SteveD]

Do the exchange units look brand new or are they refurbished? If they're refurbs it would be handy to try and find out who is repairing them.

[stevief]

Steve,

They look to be new but the fact that the last one failed after the second time the CDs were changed indicates a refurb. Can't say I've seen anything different to the original either in looks or the info on the decals. Sorry I can't be more informative.

Steve

[MaxV6]

Not that hard to interface to the bose unit....it simply requires a balanced input which can be made using speaker outputs and a few resistors....

Hmmmm and a WWII Hurricane can be made with some metal, some wood and some paper and glue.


Hmmmmm  Transformer balancing for audio  please...   jensen's for preference

[Marks DTM Calib]

Hmmmmm  Transformer balancing for audio  please...   jensen's for preference

The ouput is already balanced (thre bridge amps), it just needs potting down to line levels....Transformers are to pricey and restrictive on the audio range....

[Craig_R]

This Was the One of the First Things I ripped Out Of My Omega 2Litre CD i hated it Did not play half of my CD's and the quility was a little naff, i dont really miss the steering wheel controls. I cant believe how much a CCR2006 head unit costs you can get far better for a fraction of the price, Mine is sitting in the basement collecting dust ill keep it as if i sell the car ill put it back in.

Craig

[SteveD]

Wish I could just rip mine out but its got the Bose system so there's a bit more tinkering involved  :-/

[stevief]

This Was the One of the First Things I ripped Out Of My Omega 2Litre CD i hated it Did not play half of my CD's and the quility was a little naff, i dont really miss the steering wheel controls. I cant believe how much a CCR2006 head unit costs you can get far better for a fraction of the price, Mine is sitting in the basement collecting dust ill keep it as if i sell the car ill put it back in.

Craig

Craig,

I agree the cost of a new unit would have seen me going for something different but the £117 for a refurbed unit seemed okay especially as it retains the functionality of the all the controls without hooking up additional interfaces. Having the tape player is good for getting the old stuff out and getting peace to listen to it without complaints from the rest of the family.

Steve D,

The CD safe one is strange as I flattened the battery the night I was trying to repair the original unit, too many interior lights on, and have since had all the units in and out on a number of occasions but have only had to enter the one code for the main unit. The CD player is basically a slave unit attached through the radio cassette by the ribbon cable so you would have thought if there was additional security on the CD player a code would have been supplied.

Mark,

If the amp requires a line out feed does that mean that there are different units to suit the application as I have not seen any reference to an amp for the non bose setup so surely there must be some amplification built into the unit. I admit that apart from matching speakers and amps this is one area where I am pretty weak but I would have thought that a standard unit would have been fitted and any adjustments required to suit the Bose amp would have been built into the loom. No amplification would explain why there are so many complaints on lack of sound quality though.

Steve

[SteveD]

Spoke to somebody here http://www.car-audio-accessories.co.uk/vauxhall-ccr-2006-p1050.html today who knew what he was on about. He said there's two eproms containing the code, one for the radio & tape and one in the CD player. Sometimes, usually when the battery has gone flat over a long period, the CD eprom either loses it's memory or gets corrupted. He can fix them by totally disabling the CD eprom. He can also reprogram the CD eprom but said it's pointless as the problem can occur again. So basically you still get prompted for the code when you disconnect the power but without the worry that the CD player is going to go nuts again. Costs £15 + £6.50 return carriage (plus whatever you pay to send it).

I'm sending mine on Monday and I'll let you know how I get on.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Mark,

If the amp requires a line out feed does that mean that there are different units to suit the application as I have not seen any reference to an amp for the non bose setup so surely there must be some amplification built into the unit. I admit that apart from matching speakers and amps this is one area where I am pretty weak but I would have thought that a standard unit would have been fitted and any adjustments required to suit the Bose amp would have been built into the loom. No amplification would explain why there are so many complaints on lack of sound quality though.

Steve

Think Tech2......and configuration....these things are a universal radio....on mine it came with the radio set to South American tuning settings (would only), they can be set to line outputs....with Tech2

[TheBoy]

Mark,

If the amp requires a line out feed does that mean that there are different units to suit the application as I have not seen any reference to an amp for the non bose setup so surely there must be some amplification built into the unit. I admit that apart from matching speakers and amps this is one area where I am pretty weak but I would have thought that a standard unit would have been fitted and any adjustments required to suit the Bose amp would have been built into the loom. No amplification would explain why there are so many complaints on lack of sound quality though.

Steve

Think Tech2......and configuration....these things are a universal radio....on mine it came with the radio set to South American tuning settings (would only), they can be set to line outputs....with Tech2

On NCDC stuff, the variant coding (which defines country, language, Bose, screen type, telematics presence etc) is down via tech2...

[jamie]

[/quote]

The ouput is already balanced (thre bridge amps), it just needs potting down to line levels....Transformers are to pricey and restrictive on the audio range....
[/quote]


Yes, but you have to use cool looking gold plated resistors in neon colours with water cooling to hold the tolerances,    From an electronic design perspective you are of course completely correct.


Speakers in a tin box, then add mp3 formating to further reduce the original quality, but have loads of artificially boosted bass, way way beyond the original source, then throw in an internal combustion engine and  inherent resonance..... 90% of car "hifi" aftermarket hype/sales claims don't stand up, its a major rip off.

[SteveD]

I might just get an MP3 player and headphones.... sod the passengers  

[Marks DTM Calib]

Yes, but you have to use cool looking gold plated resistors in neon colours with water cooling to hold the tolerances,    From an electronic design perspective you are of course completely correct.


Speakers in a tin box, then add mp3 formating to further reduce the original quality, but have loads of artificially boosted bass, way way beyond the original source, then throw in an internal combustion engine and  inherent resonance..... 90% of car "hifi" aftermarket hype/sales claims don't stand up, its a major rip off.

.....and the worlds noisiest power supply.....

Hooray....somebody who agrees with me.....see Laidback66....see!

As I have always said, there is no such thing as car Hifi.....

[Admin]

Yes... I was reading this earlier thinking, "oh god, just wait 'til Mark reads this!"  

Not arguing with any of it, simply trying to do the best I can with the constraints of a car...

Bl**dy audiophiles....  

 

[Martin_1962]

Yes... I was reading this earlier thinking, "oh god, just wait 'til Mark reads this!"  

Not arguing with any of it, simply trying to do the best I can with the constraints of a car...

Bl**dy audiophiles....  

 

I am scared of becoming one, I have quite a bit of kit but all middle market, scared of needing top end kit.

Still need an amp though

[Hillper]

Martin, you'll be wasting your money!

Whenever I hear car 'audiophiles' boasting about how good their system sounds, I always wonder if they have ever heard a real home setup.

My freind has a brand new Lexus LS430, which has reputedly one of the best car systems, but although it sounds good, I wasn't impressed.  Still nowhere near as good as a proper home system.  The car's main advantage is that it is very, very quiet when being driven.  

But anyone can significantly improve the standard system of course simply by adding a sub.  It's the low frequencies which suffer most.  You just need to overcome the cabin noise with a decent amount of low distortion amplification.

After that, the law of diminishing returns kicks in.  You'll notice a difference between the standard system and an £800 setup, but you probably wont notice a difference between an £800 and £2000 setup.

[Martin_1962]

I know home systems are better, I have a 5.0 system for home cinema and it is also very good for CD, as well as DVD-A and SACD.

I want a decent turntable though!

On another forum I got picked on for being rude about Bose rubbish!

[TheBoy]

I know home systems are better, I have a 5.0 system for home cinema and it is also very good for CD, as well as DVD-A and SACD.

I want a decent turntable though!

On another forum I got picked on for being rude about Bose rubbish!

As a mid cost factory fit system, the Bose is quite good (relatively speaking), and fairly well balanced.

[Hillper]

I want a decent turntable though!

I've got a Thorens TD16 with a Helius Scorpio Gold (very rare) arm in my loft somewhere.  I'll dig it out after I move in April.  You can try that if you want?

[Martin_1962]

I want a decent turntable though!

I've got a Thorens TD16 with a Helius Scorpio Gold (very rare) arm in my loft somewhere.  I'll dig it out after I move in April.  You can try that if you want?

How much would it be?

[Martin_1962]

I know home systems are better, I have a 5.0 system for home cinema and it is also very good for CD, as well as DVD-A and SACD.

I want a decent turntable though!

On another forum I got picked on for being rude about Bose rubbish!

As a mid cost factory fit system, the Bose is quite good (relatively speaking), and fairly well balanced.

Aghhhhhh!!! Went missing!

I was on about home systems where they spend a lot on marketing trying to sell overpriced under performing systems.

My speakers are fairly flat from around 50-60 up to when my hearing doesn't work (17k to 18k)

[Hillper]

I want a decent turntable though!

I've got a Thorens TD16 with a Helius Scorpio Gold (very rare) arm in my loft somewhere.  I'll dig it out after I move in April.  You can try that if you want?

How much would it be?

Less than £100.  Depending on condition.  But it'll be a while before I get round to unpacking it!

[TheBoy]

Keep us posted - i'm driving roound with CD SAFE at the moment after a flat battery. Radio & cass work fine.

If ever you're down my way, I wouldn't mind seeing it, to see if I can cure this error....