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Re: Andrea Leadsome
« Reply #30 on: 24 May 2019, 18:30:43 »


When the 650 MP's voted to subcontract a decision to the people, then you'd think that the will of the people would count for something....  ::)


we have a representative democracy, where the will of the people is subcontracted to those 650MPs.

True.....but MP's are there to represent the views of their constituents rather than simply their own
 personal views.


No, sorry Opti, but that is a very common misconception of the situation with MP's.  They are voted to represent us in our "representative" democracy.  They have to decide what they think is best for our democracy. :-* ;)
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Re: Andrea Leadsome
« Reply #31 on: 24 May 2019, 18:36:31 »

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.
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Re: Andrea Leadsome
« Reply #32 on: 24 May 2019, 18:39:42 »


When the 650 MP's voted to subcontract a decision to the people, then you'd think that the will of the people would count for something....  ::)


we have a representative democracy, where the will of the people is subcontracted to those 650MPs.

True.....but MP's are there to represent the views of their constituents rather than simply their own
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No, sorry Opti, but that is a very common misconception of the situation with MP's.  They are voted to represent us in our "representative" democracy. They have to decide what they think is best for our democracy. :-* ;)

But if they try to use that autocratic power in a way that they personally like rather than what is best for the people they will soon be kicked out at the next election.

They can't simply ignore the will of the people, Lizzie.......especially with a large Brexit majority in the North.

Life is so much more easy for a banana republic dictator in Bongo Bongo land. :) :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Re: Andrea Leadsome
« Reply #33 on: 24 May 2019, 18:44:38 »

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.


They did implement the referendum, which was ONLY to leave. There was nothing in the referendum for what deal we would aim for. Which is the problem, as everybody thought they would get what they wanted. Which is clearly impossible.
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Re: Andrea Leadsome
« Reply #34 on: 24 May 2019, 18:49:48 »

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.


They did implement the referendum, which was ONLY to leave. There was nothing in the referendum for what deal we would aim for. Which is the problem, as everybody thought they would get what they wanted. Which is clearly impossible.

No they didn't.  We havn't left, as we should have done on 29th March.  ::)
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« Reply #35 on: 24 May 2019, 19:10:19 »

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.


They did implement the referendum, which was ONLY to leave. There was nothing in the referendum for what deal we would aim for. Which is the problem, as everybody thought they would get what they wanted. Which is clearly impossible.

No they didn't.  We havn't left, as we should have done on 29th March::)


Yes......Theresa said we would leave on the 29th March about eighty times. ::)
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Re: Andrea Leadsome
« Reply #36 on: 24 May 2019, 22:19:05 »

Once MP's managed to get the 'No Deal' chip off the table, we had no chance of negotiating a reasonable exit agreement, and as the Eurocrats have stated that they will not re-negotiate, any new Prime Minister, of whatever cloth, will be in exactly the same situation.
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« Reply #37 on: 24 May 2019, 22:34:44 »

No Deal is still the legal default and the new PM must ramp up the preparations for that outcome overtly and at full throttle for 31st October.  :y
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Re: Andrea Leadsome
« Reply #38 on: 24 May 2019, 23:05:25 »


When the 650 MP's voted to subcontract a decision to the people, then you'd think that the will of the people would count for something....  ::)


we have a representative democracy, where the will of the people is subcontracted to those 650MPs.

Ah yes the result of the referendum was just advisory...


I think we have yet another Brexit thread developing here...................................so, hey ho here we go.......................

The problem is now, as much as I understand 52% of voters stated they wanted to leave the EU, based on questionable 'facts', it was over 3 YEARS ago.  Without going  through all the details yet again, I will ask one question:

If you had a much loved patient very ill in hospital and the doctors told you 3 years ago of the treatment they wanted to administer, and needed your agreement / vote and it was delayed for whatever reason until today, would you still accept their findings of 3 years ago and tell them to just go ahead no matter what new risks now exist to adversely affect their desperate health?

I leave you to decide the answer in terms of the ill patient being the UK......................................... ;)
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                      No, that’s a rubbish comparison with no relevance at all!  We voted to leave end of, let’s get out one way or another.
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Re: Andrea Leadsome
« Reply #39 on: 25 May 2019, 00:04:22 »

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.


They did implement the referendum, which was ONLY to leave. There was nothing in the referendum for what deal we would aim for. Which is the problem, as everybody thought they would get what they wanted. Which is clearly impossible.

No they didn't.  We havn't left, as we should have done on 29th March.  ::)


parliament invoked article 50 to leave the EU. That's the WHOLE referendum result. Then it became obvious to everyone that the EU wasn't going to roll over and let us tickle its tummy as we were 'promised.' And that's why we, as an electorate should have refused to allow such a simplistic question to a complicated problem. We're all to blame for this mess, and deserve whatever the actual result turns out to be.
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Re: Andrea Leadsome
« Reply #40 on: 25 May 2019, 00:10:57 »


If you had a much loved patient very ill in hospital and the doctors told you 3 years ago of the treatment they wanted to administer, and needed your agreement / vote and it was delayed for whatever reason until today, would you still accept their findings of 3 years ago and tell them to just go ahead no matter what new risks now exist to adversely affect their desperate health?

I leave you to decide the answer in terms of the ill patient being the UK......................................... ;)


Your analogy is more like this: do you want us to do something, or nothing? Yes or no? Notice the lack of any discussion of their chances, the effectiveness of potential treatments or their actual consequences.
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Re: Andrea Leadsome
« Reply #41 on: 25 May 2019, 01:55:35 »

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.


They did implement the referendum, which was ONLY to leave. There was nothing in the referendum for what deal we would aim for. Which is the problem, as everybody thought they would get what they wanted. Which is clearly impossible.

No they didn't.  We havn't left, as we should have done on 29th March.  ::)


parliament invoked article 50 to leave the EU. That's the WHOLE referendum result. Then it became obvious to everyone that the EU wasn't going to roll over and let us tickle its tummy as we were 'promised.' And that's why we, as an electorate should have refused to allow such a simplistic question to a complicated problem. We're all to blame for this mess, and deserve whatever the actual result turns out to be.

As it happens you might turn out to be right, as there is a court case in progress to prove that the extension to the A50 period was illegal and so we did in fact leave the European Union on 29th March.
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Re: Andrea Leadsome
« Reply #42 on: 25 May 2019, 15:54:19 »

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.


They did implement the referendum, which was ONLY to leave. There was nothing in the referendum for what deal we would aim for. Which is the problem, as everybody thought they would get what they wanted. Which is clearly impossible.

No they didn't.  We havn't left, as we should have done on 29th March.  ::)


parliament invoked article 50 to leave the EU. That's the WHOLE referendum result. Then it became obvious to everyone that the EU wasn't going to roll over and let us tickle its tummy as we were 'promised.' And that's why we, as an electorate should have refused to allow such a simplistic question to a complicated problem. We're all to blame for this mess, and deserve whatever the actual result turns out to be.

As a matter of interest, please explain how we, the electorate in a representative democracy, would have arranged to have had the referendum question re-worded? ??? ??? ???
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Re: Andrea Leadsome
« Reply #43 on: 25 May 2019, 16:34:53 »

We are stupid remember, leavers did not know what we were voting for, but of course the remainers did.   Mmmmm ::)
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« Reply #44 on: 25 May 2019, 16:44:42 »

We are stupid remember, leavers did not know what we were voting for, but of course the remainers did.   Mmmmm ::)

Yes, we knew the "£350 million per week we pay to the EU" was a lie, and immigration could not be stopped and those "not born here" could not be sent "back home".  Very basic stuff because that is what was being fed to the voters, and when the truth about it came out, and Brexit would be a very hard job, people like Buffoon Boris just disappeared! :P
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