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2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« on: 25 September 2018, 19:31:59 »

Hi all hope your well.Can someone tell me what the above is,as one is loose and making a rattling noise.Also my alternator is only putting out 13.7 volts,and funds are none existent due to having no job at the moment.Any suggestions please.Dean.
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Re: 2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« Reply #1 on: 25 September 2018, 21:16:04 »

Forgot to add,they are under the black engine cover trim.HTH Dean. :y
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Re: 2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« Reply #2 on: 25 September 2018, 21:21:23 »

Sounds like the Vacuum reservoirs.  :-\
Got thin plastic pipes coming from them ?
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Re: 2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« Reply #3 on: 25 September 2018, 21:27:44 »

How can they be under the engine cover, but in front of the radiator  ???
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« Reply #4 on: 25 September 2018, 21:52:38 »

How can they be under the engine cover, but in front of the radiator  ???
Hi TB,i can only explain like this.If you open the bonnet right at the front of the car, there are 3 pieces of plastic.One left covering the headlight one in the middle covering part of the rad(where you can put cam belt change info on a sticker)and one right covering the other headlight.The ones left and right can be undone by turning a screw,with a large flat blade screwdriver.The long black piece in the middle has 2 screws either end,and when you remove this the two parts seam to be glued or bonded to the front of the rad.I hope this makes sense  ;D.Dean.
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Re: 2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« Reply #5 on: 25 September 2018, 21:59:34 »

Sounds like the Vacuum reservoirs.  :-\
Got thin plastic pipes coming from them ?
No pipes coming from them as far as i can see,they are gray plastic on the outside.And maybe foam or sponge or something,on the inside.They are defiantly siliconed to the outside of the rad,all round.Wish i had a phone to take a picture,i sound like a idiot. ;D Dean.
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« Reply #7 on: 25 September 2018, 22:17:33 »


Andy B,you are absolutely right mate.But my old phone won't take pics,that i would know how to up-lode here. :-[.Dean.
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Re: 2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« Reply #8 on: 25 September 2018, 22:26:44 »

You mean the front fan casings :-\

These are actually fitted from the engine side, even though they are ahead of everything else.

Should simply push the tops towards the bumper to re secure :y
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« Reply #9 on: 25 September 2018, 22:32:25 »

You mean the front fan casings :-\

These are actually fitted from the engine side, even though they are ahead of everything else.

Should simply push the tops towards the bumper to re secure :y
DG,but they seam to be attached to the first part of the rad,then there is a gap and the second part of the rad.What would i use to re secure them mate.Dean.Where would i find a pic of them online,as they don't come with a new rad DG.Dean.
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Re: 2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« Reply #10 on: 25 September 2018, 22:36:40 »

...Andy B,you are absolutely right mate.But my old phone won't take pics,that i would know how to up-lode here. :-[.Dean.

You don't need to use a phone .... any digi camera will do  ;) ;)
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« Reply #11 on: 25 September 2018, 22:54:40 »

...Andy B,you are absolutely right mate.But my old phone won't take pics,that i would know how to up-lode here. :-[.Dean.

You don't need to use a phone .... any digi camera will do  ;) ;)
Ok mate,i will take a pic and see if i can get it on here.As i have taken the middle plastic off as this whatever it is,was flapping against it and making the rattling.Dean.
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« Reply #12 on: 25 September 2018, 22:59:29 »

So is that what they are called Doc,front fan casings.Dean.They push right up against the front chassis where the bonnet locks in to,you can only see the top bit.Dean.
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Re: 2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« Reply #13 on: 25 September 2018, 23:22:03 »

Finally found it,underneath the slam panel radiator cover.Dean.
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Re: 2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« Reply #14 on: 26 September 2018, 14:57:44 »

You don't mean the headlight back rubber covers, do you? They are grey, and in the right situation. The things you remove to change bulbs.
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« Reply #15 on: 26 September 2018, 15:28:33 »

You don't mean the headlight back rubber covers, do you? They are grey, and in the right situation. The things you remove to change bulbs.
No mate,i know where they are and what they do. :y The parts i mean are attached to the rad  :y.I will try to get a pic up but bear with me as i have never done it.Dean.
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« Reply #16 on: 26 September 2018, 15:41:01 »

Hi all,well just looked at how to put pictures on this site.Way beyond me so i will just have to leave it as it is,thanks for your reply's.Dean.
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« Reply #17 on: 26 September 2018, 16:56:10 »

Is it the mounting rubber shown here, upper central?

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« Reply #18 on: 26 September 2018, 18:04:25 »

Is it the mounting rubber shown here, upper central?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qkzmfmqp3dxavb7/RADrubber.jpg?dl=1[/img]
Hi Terry you are a star.Its the grey bit at the bottom left in your pic,attached to the rad.Dean.
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« Reply #19 on: 26 September 2018, 18:27:09 »

Front fan shrouds... See above ::)
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« Reply #20 on: 26 September 2018, 19:05:02 »

Front fan shrouds... See above ::)
Sorry DG you are correct.The left hand one has come away from the rad at the top and that is what is making the noise.I have put some silicone adhesive on the top edge rubber,to fix it back to the rad.It seams ok for now no noise, but how are they normally fixed in place.Dean.BTW Thanks for the pic Terry.
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« Reply #21 on: 26 September 2018, 20:06:22 »

Front fan shrouds... See above ::)
Sorry DG you are correct.The left hand one has come away from the rad at the top and that is what is making the noise.I have put some silicone adhesive on the top edge rubber,to fix it back to the rad.It seams ok for now no noise, but how are they normally fixed in place.Dean.BTW Thanks for the pic Terry.
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They clip into a rubber grommet on the slam panel. Simply push the top towards the number plate until it pops into place...
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Re: 2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« Reply #22 on: 26 September 2018, 20:21:28 »

Front fan shrouds... See above ::)
Sorry DG you are correct.The left hand one has come away from the rad at the top and that is what is making the noise.I have put some silicone adhesive on the top edge rubber,to fix it back to the rad.It seams ok for now no noise, but how are they normally fixed in place.Dean.BTW Thanks for the pic Terry.


Terry's pic doesn't show the shaped spring clip that attaches to the rectangular holes in the bracket and made the marks on the rubber block. The radiator assembly is a pretty tight fit, and the clips don't really do much. Gluing the rubber in place isn't something I would find necessary if the clips were missing.
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« Reply #23 on: 26 September 2018, 20:34:02 »

Never encountered a rattling rubber radiator mounting block. Ever. ::)
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« Reply #24 on: 26 September 2018, 20:35:15 »

Front fan shrouds... See above ::)
Sorry DG you are correct.The left hand one has come away from the rad at the top and that is what is making the noise.I have put some silicone adhesive on the top edge rubber,to fix it back to the rad.It seams ok for now no noise, but how are they normally fixed in place.Dean.BTW Thanks for the pic Terry.
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They clip into a rubber grommet on the slam panel. Simply push the top towards the number plate until it pops into place...
I am sorry DG but i don't follow or understand :-[ mate Dean.
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« Reply #25 on: 26 September 2018, 20:38:20 »

Front fan shrouds... See above ::)
Sorry DG you are correct.The left hand one has come away from the rad at the top and that is what is making the noise.I have put some silicone adhesive on the top edge rubber,to fix it back to the rad.It seams ok for now no noise, but how are they normally fixed in place.Dean.BTW Thanks for the pic Terry.


Terry's pic doesn't show the shaped spring clip that attaches to the rectangular holes in the bracket and made the marks on the rubber block. The radiator assembly is a pretty tight fit, and the clips don't really do much. Gluing the rubber in place isn't something I would find necessary if the clips were missing.
I am sorry Nick but i don't even know where the clips are or if they are missing :-[ Dean.
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« Reply #26 on: 26 September 2018, 20:42:14 »

Never encountered a rattling rubber radiator mounting block. Ever. ::)
But its not the mounting block,as in Terry's pic.Dean.Its the fan shrouds.
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« Reply #27 on: 26 September 2018, 20:47:24 »

Front fan shrouds... See above ::)
Sorry DG you are correct.The left hand one has come away from the rad at the top and that is what is making the noise.I have put some silicone adhesive on the top edge rubber,to fix it back to the rad.It seams ok for now no noise, but how are they normally fixed in place.Dean.BTW Thanks for the pic Terry.
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They clip into a rubber grommet on the slam panel. Simply push the top towards the number plate until it pops into place...
I am sorry DG but i don't follow or understand :-[ mate Dean.
The bit you glued to the radiator CLIPS to the metal panel that the bonnet latches to by way if a plastic ball and rubber grommet. Not sure that I can simplify it any further... :-\

But here goes...

https://goo.gl/images/wBVuJa

Lower two pins sit on the lower cross member top single pin is the one that clips into the slam panel.
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« Reply #28 on: 26 September 2018, 20:48:29 »

Never encountered a rattling rubber radiator mounting block. Ever. ::)
But its not the mounting block,as in Terry's pic.Dean.Its the fan shrouds.
You can ignore this post.
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« Reply #29 on: 26 September 2018, 21:09:28 »

Front fan shrouds... See above ::)
Sorry DG you are correct.The left hand one has come away from the rad at the top and that is what is making the noise.I have put some silicone adhesive on the top edge rubber,to fix it back to the rad.It seams ok for now no noise, but how are they normally fixed in place.Dean.BTW Thanks for the pic Terry.


Terry's pic doesn't show the shaped spring clip that attaches to the rectangular holes in the bracket and made the marks on the rubber block. The radiator assembly is a pretty tight fit, and the clips don't really do much. Gluing the rubber in place isn't something I would find necessary if the clips were missing.
I am sorry Nick but i don't even know where the clips are or if they are missing :-[ Dean.


Er, if your car looks like the picture then they're missing.

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« Reply #30 on: 26 September 2018, 21:13:23 »

Front fan shrouds... See above ::)
Sorry DG you are correct.The left hand one has come away from the rad at the top and that is what is making the noise.I have put some silicone adhesive on the top edge rubber,to fix it back to the rad.It seams ok for now no noise, but how are they normally fixed in place.Dean.BTW Thanks for the pic Terry.
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They clip into a rubber grommet on the slam panel. Simply push the top towards the number plate until it pops into place...
I am sorry DG but i don't follow or understand :-[ mate Dean.
The bit you glued to the radiator CLIPS to the metal panel that the bonnet latches to by way if a plastic ball and rubber grommet. Not sure that I can simplify it any further... :-\

But here goes...

https://goo.gl/images/wBVuJa

Lower two pins sit on the lower cross member top single pin is the one that clips into the slam panel.
DG i think i have finally got it ;D,what confused me was the other shroud looks like it is attached to the rad.Because of the glue or whatever it is.I am going out to the car in the morning to see whats what.Dean.
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« Reply #31 on: 26 September 2018, 21:17:13 »

Front fan shrouds... See above ::)
Sorry DG you are correct.The left hand one has come away from the rad at the top and that is what is making the noise.I have put some silicone adhesive on the top edge rubber,to fix it back to the rad.It seams ok for now no noise, but how are they normally fixed in place.Dean.BTW Thanks for the pic Terry.


Terry's pic doesn't show the shaped spring clip that attaches to the rectangular holes in the bracket and made the marks on the rubber block. The radiator assembly is a pretty tight fit, and the clips don't really do much. Gluing the rubber in place isn't something I would find necessary if the clips were missing.
I am sorry Nick but i don't even know where the clips are or if they are missing :-[ Dean.


Er, if your car looks like the picture then they're missing.
Sorry Nick,i don't follow.Dean.Whats missing.
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« Reply #32 on: 27 September 2018, 08:43:29 »

doesn't anyone live near Moggy to have a look :y
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« Reply #33 on: 27 September 2018, 16:36:09 »

Hi all,well after reading your posts and searching through the forum this is what i have learned.The part with the fans is the condenser rad not the coolant rad.(didn't even know my car had air con)There was a bolt missing that secures it to the main rad via a bracket,so it was vibrating i have put another bolt in it.I have had a look at the fans and the left one is fooked,wobbling about and catching the shroud surround.Also for some reason both fans are staying on for ages,well over 2min.So i now need to get a new fan and find out why they are staying on for so long,and work out how to fit it.I have sent a pm to a really nice guy who is a forum member,and lives near me.It looks like replacing the fan is a right bastid but we will see,now to try to find a replacement.Thanks for all your help advice and particularly your patents,will see how it goes Dean. :y   
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« Reply #34 on: 27 September 2018, 19:23:48 »

Hi all,looks like i am having a bit of trouble finding a fan Germany only.And when i search it says will not fit my car,there must be some in the uk.The part number is 90500025 and 90467915,do you think its worth putting an ad in parts wanted section.Dean.
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« Reply #35 on: 27 September 2018, 20:08:05 »

Fans staying on for cooling purposes. Be more concerned if they never came on or never switched off.

Both front fans are the same. Four pots have one, V6s have two.

To swap them out, you need to pull the radiator... Remove the bagpipes and main fan. Lift it clear of the top brackets then hoik the whole lot towards the engine. Should then have space to pop the fans out. Unplug from the front.
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« Reply #36 on: 27 September 2018, 21:31:33 »

Fans staying on for cooling purposes. Be more concerned if they never came on or never switched off.

Both front fans are the same. Four pots have one, V6s have two.

To swap them out, you need to pull the radiator... Remove the bagpipes and main fan. Lift it clear of the top brackets then hoik the whole lot towards the engine. Should then have space to pop the fans out. Unplug from the front.
Hi DG,so to be sure.I don't need to worry about the fans staying on.I will put a wanted ad in the appropriate section for a fan,someone must have one.So remove the bagpipes and the main fan,i thought the main fan was attached to the rad.Lift the main cooling rad clear of top brackets,move the whole lot towards the engine.How do i remove the condenser rad to put the new fan in,or does it lift out with the main rad.Will i be able to get to the connector to unplug it from the front.Sorry for all the questions,but i have never done anything like this.And i will be on my own with no one to ask if i am doing it right.Thanks again DG i appreciate it.Dean. :-[
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« Reply #37 on: 27 September 2018, 22:23:06 »

If you're not sure, you really need to have someone else present to guide you through it. ;)
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« Reply #38 on: 28 September 2018, 17:19:16 »

If you're not sure, you really need to have someone else present to guide you through it. ;)
Hi DG,it does not mater now as the car was written of today in an RTA.My wife is in hospital.Dean. :'(
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Re: 2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« Reply #39 on: 28 September 2018, 18:44:19 »

Aw shit :o

That's not good. How is she?
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Re: 2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« Reply #40 on: 28 September 2018, 19:20:10 »

Crikey Dean  . . . thats terrible news  . . . hope your wife is ok ,

Please keep us posted .
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Re: 2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« Reply #41 on: 28 September 2018, 19:31:03 »

Aw shit :o

That's not good. How is she?
She is ok DG thanks for asking.
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Re: 2 gray plastic boxs in front of the radiator.
« Reply #42 on: 28 September 2018, 19:32:02 »

Crikey Dean  . . . thats terrible news  . . . hope your wife is ok ,

Please keep us posted .
She is alright thanks for asking mate.
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