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[Kevin Wood]

The response was "bring your documents to your local police station". They did not attend.

Yep, that's typical in my experience. You report a potentially serious incident and they try to pin something on you before proceeding to sit on their thumbs.

I stopped at the scene of an accident a while back. One parties' vehicle was left obstructing the fast lane of a dual carriageway at the exit from a roundabout. Driver of said vehicle was a daft bint who wouldn't put her mobile phone down to get her vehicle to a safe position, so I phoned the Police thinking they could at least plant a few blue lights on the road to warn oncoming traffic. Took about 20 minutes to get through the call centre and explain where I was and what was needed. About an hour later they turned up and proceeded to beathalyse me.

Luckily the 3rd parties recovery truck turned up at about the same time, so the car was eventually moved, but not until after a few very near misses with traffic nearly piling into it, to which the attending officer appear oblivious.

Another occasion, Mrs. KW's car gets dented by a pikey in a Transit pickup. She goes to the Police with CCTV footage, a business card left at a neighbouring industrial unit by said pikey, registration number of truck and a couple of witnesses' phone numbers. Gets a producer to bring her car documents in (that's right, the car that was legally parked in a car park at the time of the incident), then  "Unable to trace driver of the 3rd party vehicle".

.. and we wonder why the public have so little confidence in the Police these days. Yes, I'm sure they have much more exciting serious crime to investigate, but why then do they take so much time trying to fit up innocent reporters of crime? Do they seriously think I'd present myself at the nick to report a crime if I wasn't squeaky clean myself?

[zirk]

Probably a waste of time Amba, but might be worth having a chat with MIB (Motor Insurers Bureau) they do more, apparently, than just manage the UK's Insurance Data Base. 

Have a read here -

https://www.gov.uk/compensation-victim-uninsured-driver

and

http://www.mib.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/085DE28C-9F25-4C0C-AE09-500245D5D547/0/MIB_A5_Claim_Guide_Booklet.pdf

[YZ250]

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and we wonder why the public have so little confidence in the Police these days. Yes, I'm sure they have much more exciting serious crime to investigate........

Sorry the bit below is an old one but it seemed quite fitting to this thread. 

Years ago somebody told me how to get the police to attend. 
When I asked how, he said that a while back he had phoned the police to report an intruder and they told him that all of their officers were busy. He thought about it for a couple of minutes and then phoned them back and said not to bother as he'd shot him. Within seconds police were everywhere. The first officer said "I thought you said you'd shot him" to which the guy replied "And I thought you said all of your guys were busy". 

[Stuart30]

Please don't take this as a keyboard warrior moment...but I wish to god id have chinned the old bastard who hit Gemma (My car).

Spent an hour on the phone to a middle aged woman today from insurance company who said "we cant push for the other party to admit liability in case it effects your wifes personal injury claim"

Ive asked how the hell can it effect it and she said "well you want as much as you can get and if we go for a 50/50 you only get 50% of the Personal injury claim"

Excuse me my wife enters the roundabout and he fails to give way...bang...her car is a mess,and you already hinting at a 50/50 on this what the break.!

My feelings are now,im gonna rag the arse of my Saab...play chicken with other cars on roundabouts and if I do have a collision deny being there and then change my story and say its there fault.

Lets face it the police will do sod all and insurance will offer 50/50 so no harm done.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Please don't take this as a keyboard warrior moment...but I wish to god id have chinned the old bastard who hit Gemma (My car).

Spent an hour on the phone to a middle aged woman today from insurance company who said "we cant push for the other party to admit liability in case it effects your wifes personal injury claim"

Ive asked how the hell can it effect it and she said "well you want as much as you can get and if we go for a 50/50 you only get 50% of the Personal injury claim"

Excuse me my wife enters the roundabout and he fails to give way...bang...her car is a mess,and you already hinting at a 50/50 on this what the break.!

My feelings are now,im gonna rag the arse of my Saab...play chicken with other cars on roundabouts and if I do have a collision deny being there and then change my story and say its there fault.

Lets face it the police will do sod all and insurance will offer 50/50 so no harm done.

Sorry to hear of your problems with this one Stuart.  However the police will "do sod all" as this is a civil matter not a criminal one, and they have decided that they cannot substantiate that a criminal offence has taken place under the Road Traffic Act (1988).

It is not the police at fault here but the insurance companies who, as usual, are trying hard not to pay out in full as that affects their commercial viability / to make as much money as they can!!

This is NOT aimed at you Stuart, but this thread about an unfortunate collision involving amba's daughter and baby where there were easily identifiable reasons as to why the police would have found it difficult to ascertain a criminal offence that could eventually be supported by evidence for a criminal prosecution, has turned into an anti-police barrage.

The police are not perfect, as I can state after reviewing certain cases, but they, in reducing numbers, are trying very hard to concentrate on those cases where a criminal case is evident, and it is not a civil law one that they cannot be involved in, quite apart from Protecting and Serving (Kent Police's motto) the public whenever they can.

As I have said before, if you and I want a better police force in greater numbers who can deal with as many cases as possible at any one time, then speak or write to your MP, set up protest groups, and vote accordingly at the next general election.  If you do not then the number of police WILL reduce further over the next 5 years and they WILL struggle to effectively police YOUR community.

[Stuart30]

Please don't take this as a keyboard warrior moment...but I wish to god id have chinned the old bastard who hit Gemma (My car).

Spent an hour on the phone to a middle aged woman today from insurance company who said "we cant push for the other party to admit liability in case it effects your wifes personal injury claim"

Ive asked how the hell can it effect it and she said "well you want as much as you can get and if we go for a 50/50 you only get 50% of the Personal injury claim"

Excuse me my wife enters the roundabout and he fails to give way...bang...her car is a mess,and you already hinting at a 50/50 on this what the break.!

My feelings are now,im gonna rag the arse of my Saab...play chicken with other cars on roundabouts and if I do have a collision deny being there and then change my story and say its there fault.

Lets face it the police will do sod all and insurance will offer 50/50 so no harm done.

Sorry to hear of your problems with this one Stuart. 
It is not the police at fault here but the insurance companies who, as usual, are trying hard not to pay out in full as that affects their commercial viability / to make as much money as they However the police will "do sod all" as this is a civil matter not a criminal one, and they have decided that they cannot substantiate that a criminal offence has taken place under the Road Traffic Act (1988).
can!!

This is NOT aimed at you Stuart, but this thread about an unfortunate collision involving amba's daughter and baby where there were easily identifiable reasons as to why the police would have found it difficult to ascertain a criminal offence that could eventually be supported by evidence for a criminal prosecution, has turned into an anti-police barrage.

The police are not perfect, as I can state after reviewing certain cases, but they, in reducing numbers, are trying very hard to concentrate on those cases where a criminal case is evident, and it is not a civil law one that they cannot be involved in, quite apart from Protecting and Serving (Kent Police's motto) the public whenever they can.

As I have said before, if you and I want a better police force in greater numbers who can deal with as many cases as possible at any one time, then speak or write to your MP, set up protest groups, and vote accordingly at the next general election.  If you do not then the number of police WILL reduce further over the next 5 years and they WILL struggle to effectively police YOUR community.

Im not to clued up on traffic law so please excuse my ignorance...however,A car has failed to give way (that's supported by the independent accessor) on said roundabout,caused injuries to the wife (not obvious at time as she was in shock and it takes a day or so for the injures to show) and tried to leave the scene of an accident...witness heard him telling me "You don't give way to the right on a rounbdabout".

Now id say Lizzie if there isn't a case to answer in law then why do we bother observing the highway code.

[Broomies Mate]

I must be part of this Anti-Police Barrage that LZ speaks of.  Afterall, I did comment that the Police were less than useful in my circumstance.

So, for the benefit of all, especially LZ, I'll set the record straight - from my POV anyway;

Unless it is a specific traffic offence picked up by a traffic officer, the Police seem to have 'better things to do'.  I think this likely due to traffic offences being very difficult to prove.  Unless there is a simple road-side breathalyser followed by evidential breathalyser followed by conviction, an officer of the law doesn't know a great deal..... or at least wouldn't have the ability to stand in court and factually give evidence when faced with an alleged crim who had a decent solicitor.

Furthermore, when was the last time you heard of anyone being given a ticket for a non functioning brake light, or being given a ticket for incorrectly spaced lettering on their numberplate?  One is unintentional, one is (likely) intentional.  Neither are a crime as such, and take far too long for plod to do the paperwork.

I'd love to see every speed camera, every traffic light camera, every stupid raised 'bump strip' when approaching roundabouts and every single sign which reads 'Accident Hotspot' removed.  I'd like the budget for all of those things go into the Police Force to POLICE the area.  I'd like people who have a failed brake light to be escorted to the nearest garage and not be allowed on their way until they fit the new bulb.  I'd like the 'Private Numberplate Brigade' to have their spacing fixed within 48hrs or their vehicle impounded........  What I want more than that is for Drink Drivers, Drug Drivers, people who do 50 in a 30 (if the 30mph limit is justifiable)... I want them caught and banged up.

When the Police Force is adequately funded (and I don't mean the Commissioner gets 50% and the rest of the force gets 50%), then things will get better.

Nobody has been anti-police, LZ.  We have all had similar incidents to the OP and have experienced the same treatment by the Police.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.

[Andy B]

...., or being given a ticket for incorrectly spaced lettering on their numberplate?  ....

One of the lads at work earlier this year. The copper was driving in the other direction & made the effort to turn around and then catch my work mate up. The car was a Jeep Something and the reg was ?? J33P

£100 fine

[Broomies Mate]

...., or being given a ticket for incorrectly spaced lettering on their numberplate?  ....

One of the lads at work earlier this year. The copper was driving in the other direction & made the effort to turn around and then catch my work mate up. The car was a Jeep Something and the reg was ?? J33P

£100 fine

Fair play to that Officer.   

[Stuart30]

I must be part of this Anti-Police Barrage that LZ speaks of.  Afterall, I did comment that the Police were less than useful in my circumstance.

So, for the benefit of all, especially LZ, I'll set the record straight - from my POV anyway;

Unless it is a specific traffic offence picked up by a traffic officer, the Police seem to have 'better things to do'.  I think this likely due to traffic offences being very difficult to prove.  Unless there is a simple road-side breathalyser followed by evidential breathalyser followed by conviction, an officer of the law doesn't know a great deal..... or at least wouldn't have the ability to stand in court and factually give evidence when faced with an alleged crim who had a decent solicitor.

Furthermore, when was the last time you heard of anyone being given a ticket for a non functioning brake light, or being given a ticket for incorrectly spaced lettering on their numberplate?  One is unintentional, one is (likely) intentional.  Neither are a crime as such, and take far too long for plod to do the paperwork.

I'd love to see every speed camera, every traffic light camera, every stupid raised 'bump strip' when approaching roundabouts and every single sign which reads 'Accident Hotspot' removed.  I'd like the budget for all of those things go into the Police Force to POLICE the area.  I'd like people who have a failed brake light to be escorted to the nearest garage and not be allowed on their way until they fit the new bulb.  I'd like the 'Private Numberplate Brigade' to have their spacing fixed within 48hrs or their vehicle impounded........  What I want more than that is for Drink Drivers, Drug Drivers, people who do 50 in a 30 (if the 30mph limit is justifiable)... I want them caught and banged up.

When the Police Force is adequately funded (and I don't mean the Commissioner gets 50% and the rest of the force gets 50%), then things will get better.

Nobody has been anti-police, LZ.  We have all had similar incidents to the OP and have experienced the same treatment by the Police.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.

Good point and very true.

I feel its lazy policing...I kid you not,the night of the collision at least 15 police cars must have stopped and spoken to the Police officer who was baby sitting my car,including two Traffic units (He even said "Oh here we go...Traffic"...none offerd any assistance (Most were coming back from a drugs raid (Officer was very open about it as he was relaying it as he was getting the updates via his ear piece.).
Im sure one of them could have popped around the old codgers house (300 yrds from the scene) and took details etc.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

...., or being given a ticket for incorrectly spaced lettering on their numberplate?  ....

One of the lads at work earlier this year. The copper was driving in the other direction & made the effort to turn around and then catch my work mate up. The car was a Jeep Something and the reg was ?? J33P

£100 fine

Exactly, and the police ARE effectively bringing such offences to book when noted by them, but as I said, there needs to be more traffic officers so that such offences are detected and the law abiding public like the OOF's on here are satisfied. Without more officers then detections will not be to the level we all expect.

In regards to all the claims of police ineffectiveness made on here, if you feel strongly enough then lodge a complaint via standard complaints procedures. Ask the police why they didn't act as you expected. I and all the other OOF's on here were not at the collisions and so did not personally witness these alleged offences and be able to assess, if you are trained to do so, exactly what has transpired and what criminal laws have been breached. So it is up to only you to lodge that complaint and not just moan about the police on the forum.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Please don't take this as a keyboard warrior moment...but I wish to god id have chinned the old bastard who hit Gemma (My car).

Spent an hour on the phone to a middle aged woman today from insurance company who said "we cant push for the other party to admit liability in case it effects your wifes personal injury claim"

Ive asked how the hell can it effect it and she said "well you want as much as you can get and if we go for a 50/50 you only get 50% of the Personal injury claim"

Excuse me my wife enters the roundabout and he fails to give way...bang...her car is a mess,and you already hinting at a 50/50 on this what the break.!

My feelings are now,im gonna rag the arse of my Saab...play chicken with other cars on roundabouts and if I do have a collision deny being there and then change my story and say its there fault.

Lets face it the police will do sod all and insurance will offer 50/50 so no harm done.

Sorry to hear of your problems with this one Stuart. 
It is not the police at fault here but the insurance companies who, as usual, are trying hard not to pay out in full as that affects their commercial viability / to make as much money as they However the police will "do sod all" as this is a civil matter not a criminal one, and they have decided that they cannot substantiate that a criminal offence has taken place under the Road Traffic Act (1988).
can!!

This is NOT aimed at you Stuart, but this thread about an unfortunate collision involving amba's daughter and baby where there were easily identifiable reasons as to why the police would have found it difficult to ascertain a criminal offence that could eventually be supported by evidence for a criminal prosecution, has turned into an anti-police barrage.

The police are not perfect, as I can state after reviewing certain cases, but they, in reducing numbers, are trying very hard to concentrate on those cases where a criminal case is evident, and it is not a civil law one that they cannot be involved in, quite apart from Protecting and Serving (Kent Police's motto) the public whenever they can.

As I have said before, if you and I want a better police force in greater numbers who can deal with as many cases as possible at any one time, then speak or write to your MP, set up protest groups, and vote accordingly at the next general election.  If you do not then the number of police WILL reduce further over the next 5 years and they WILL struggle to effectively police YOUR community.

Im not to clued up on traffic law so please excuse my ignorance...however,A car has failed to give way (that's supported by the independent accessor) on said roundabout,caused injuries to the wife (not obvious at time as she was in shock and it takes a day or so for the injures to show) and tried to leave the scene of an accident...witness heard him telling me "You don't give way to the right on a rounbdabout".

Now id say Lizzie if there isn't a case to answer in law then why do we bother observing the highway code.

My post #40 has hopefully answered some of your queries Stuart. You obviously feel strongly about this so complain!

[Stuart30]

Please don't take this as a keyboard warrior moment...but I wish to god id have chinned the old bastard who hit Gemma (My car).

Spent an hour on the phone to a middle aged woman today from insurance company who said "we cant push for the other party to admit liability in case it effects your wifes personal injury claim"

Ive asked how the hell can it effect it and she said "well you want as much as you can get and if we go for a 50/50 you only get 50% of the Personal injury claim"

Excuse me my wife enters the roundabout and he fails to give way...bang...her car is a mess,and you already hinting at a 50/50 on this what the break.!

My feelings are now,im gonna rag the arse of my Saab...play chicken with other cars on roundabouts and if I do have a collision deny being there and then change my story and say its there fault.

Lets face it the police will do sod all and insurance will offer 50/50 so no harm done.

Sorry to hear of your problems with this one Stuart. 
It is not the police at fault here but the insurance companies who, as usual, are trying hard not to pay out in full as that affects their commercial viability / to make as much money as they However the police will "do sod all" as this is a civil matter not a criminal one, and they have decided that they cannot substantiate that a criminal offence has taken place under the Road Traffic Act (1988).
can!!

This is NOT aimed at you Stuart, but this thread about an unfortunate collision involving amba's daughter and baby where there were easily identifiable reasons as to why the police would have found it difficult to ascertain a criminal offence that could eventually be supported by evidence for a criminal prosecution, has turned into an anti-police barrage.

The police are not perfect, as I can state after reviewing certain cases, but they, in reducing numbers, are trying very hard to concentrate on those cases where a criminal case is evident, and it is not a civil law one that they cannot be involved in, quite apart from Protecting and Serving (Kent Police's motto) the public whenever they can.

As I have said before, if you and I want a better police force in greater numbers who can deal with as many cases as possible at any one time, then speak or write to your MP, set up protest groups, and vote accordingly at the next general election.  If you do not then the number of police WILL reduce further over the next 5 years and they WILL struggle to effectively police YOUR community.

Im not to clued up on traffic law so please excuse my ignorance...however,A car has failed to give way (that's supported by the independent accessor) on said roundabout,caused injuries to the wife (not obvious at time as she was in shock and it takes a day or so for the injures to show) and tried to leave the scene of an accident...witness heard him telling me "You don't give way to the right on a rounbdabout".

Now id say Lizzie if there isn't a case to answer in law then why do we bother observing the highway code.

My post #40 has hopefully answered some of your querries Stuart, but I must ask, did you, or your wife, or anyone else call the police from the scene and request their attendance due to your wife being in shock/hurt?

No Lizzie we didn't as the Police attended whilst on route to another RTC.

We would have had to,due to the car blocking a busy roundabout.

Lizzie its not so much moaning about them,its relaying experiences.

Ive contacted the local station three times now requesting the PC who attended,contacts me with an update/explanation of what happened after we both left the scene.

No phone call..yes its a minor thing in the eyes of the law,as im sure me going round his house and smashing him into next week would be.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Please don't take this as a keyboard warrior moment...but I wish to god id have chinned the old bastard who hit Gemma (My car).

Spent an hour on the phone to a middle aged woman today from insurance company who said "we cant push for the other party to admit liability in case it effects your wifes personal injury claim"

Ive asked how the hell can it effect it and she said "well you want as much as you can get and if we go for a 50/50 you only get 50% of the Personal injury claim"

Excuse me my wife enters the roundabout and he fails to give way...bang...her car is a mess,and you already hinting at a 50/50 on this what the break.!

My feelings are now,im gonna rag the arse of my Saab...play chicken with other cars on roundabouts and if I do have a collision deny being there and then change my story and say its there fault.

Lets face it the police will do sod all and insurance will offer 50/50 so no harm done.

Sorry to hear of your problems with this one Stuart. 
It is not the police at fault here but the insurance companies who, as usual, are trying hard not to pay out in full as that affects their commercial viability / to make as much money as they However the police will "do sod all" as this is a civil matter not a criminal one, and they have decided that they cannot substantiate that a criminal offence has taken place under the Road Traffic Act (1988).
can!!

This is NOT aimed at you Stuart, but this thread about an unfortunate collision involving amba's daughter and baby where there were easily identifiable reasons as to why the police would have found it difficult to ascertain a criminal offence that could eventually be supported by evidence for a criminal prosecution, has turned into an anti-police barrage.

The police are not perfect, as I can state after reviewing certain cases, but they, in reducing numbers, are trying very hard to concentrate on those cases where a criminal case is evident, and it is not a civil law one that they cannot be involved in, quite apart from Protecting and Serving (Kent Police's motto) the public whenever they can.

As I have said before, if you and I want a better police force in greater numbers who can deal with as many cases as possible at any one time, then speak or write to your MP, set up protest groups, and vote accordingly at the next general election.  If you do not then the number of police WILL reduce further over the next 5 years and they WILL struggle to effectively police YOUR community.

Im not to clued up on traffic law so please excuse my ignorance...however,A car has failed to give way (that's supported by the independent accessor) on said roundabout,caused injuries to the wife (not obvious at time as she was in shock and it takes a day or so for the injures to show) and tried to leave the scene of an accident...witness heard him telling me "You don't give way to the right on a rounbdabout".

Now id say Lizzie if there isn't a case to answer in law then why do we bother observing the highway code.

My post #40 has hopefully answered some of your querries Stuart, but I must ask, did you, or your wife, or anyone else call the police from the scene and request their attendance due to your wife being in shock/hurt?

No Lizzie we didn't as the Police attended whilst on route to another RTC.

We would have had to,due to the car blocking a busy roundabout.

Sorry Stuart, I missed your post on the police officers "attending", so have amended my subsequent post accordingly. I personally would lodge a complaint

[Stuart30]

Please don't take this as a keyboard warrior moment...but I wish to god id have chinned the old bastard who hit Gemma (My car).

Spent an hour on the phone to a middle aged woman today from insurance company who said "we cant push for the other party to admit liability in case it effects your wifes personal injury claim"

Ive asked how the hell can it effect it and she said "well you want as much as you can get and if we go for a 50/50 you only get 50% of the Personal injury claim"

Excuse me my wife enters the roundabout and he fails to give way...bang...her car is a mess,and you already hinting at a 50/50 on this what the break.!

My feelings are now,im gonna rag the arse of my Saab...play chicken with other cars on roundabouts and if I do have a collision deny being there and then change my story and say its there fault.

Lets face it the police will do sod all and insurance will offer 50/50 so no harm done.

Sorry to hear of your problems with this one Stuart. 
It is not the police at fault here but the insurance companies who, as usual, are trying hard not to pay out in full as that affects their commercial viability / to make as much money as they However the police will "do sod all" as this is a civil matter not a criminal one, and they have decided that they cannot substantiate that a criminal offence has taken place under the Road Traffic Act (1988).
can!!

This is NOT aimed at you Stuart, but this thread about an unfortunate collision involving amba's daughter and baby where there were easily identifiable reasons as to why the police would have found it difficult to ascertain a criminal offence that could eventually be supported by evidence for a criminal prosecution, has turned into an anti-police barrage.

The police are not perfect, as I can state after reviewing certain cases, but they, in reducing numbers, are trying very hard to concentrate on those cases where a criminal case is evident, and it is not a civil law one that they cannot be involved in, quite apart from Protecting and Serving (Kent Police's motto) the public whenever they can.

As I have said before, if you and I want a better police force in greater numbers who can deal with as many cases as possible at any one time, then speak or write to your MP, set up protest groups, and vote accordingly at the next general election.  If you do not then the number of police WILL reduce further over the next 5 years and they WILL struggle to effectively police YOUR community.

Im not to clued up on traffic law so please excuse my ignorance...however,A car has failed to give way (that's supported by the independent accessor) on said roundabout,caused injuries to the wife (not obvious at time as she was in shock and it takes a day or so for the injures to show) and tried to leave the scene of an accident...witness heard him telling me "You don't give way to the right on a rounbdabout".

Now id say Lizzie if there isn't a case to answer in law then why do we bother observing the highway code.

My post #40 has hopefully answered some of your querries Stuart, but I must ask, did you, or your wife, or anyone else call the police from the scene and request their attendance due to your wife being in shock/hurt?

No Lizzie we didn't as the Police attended whilst on route to another RTC.

We would have had to,due to the car blocking a busy roundabout.

Sorry Stuart, I missed your post on the police officers "attending", so have amended my subsequent post accordingly. I personally would lodge a complaint

Easy done....