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[Sir Tigger KC]

There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since. 

No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...

No, what you are referring to are the endless negative predictions of voting to leave which didn't come true and the ongoing negative and frankley hysterical predictions of what will happen if we actually leave, many of which have been discredited. 

There has been little or no analysis, of the economic or political consequences of a remain vote. 

No, I'm referring to just about every single piece of analysis done, before, during and after the referendum.

But the Farage brainwashing* causes them all to be dismissed as Project Fear. Which means suddenly they are irrelevant, because the reality of it doesn't match what was/is being promised by some.


*Mostly via The Daily Mail.

Sigh. 

You are still talking about the analysis and predictions of leaving not remaining. 

WTF are you smoking?

They all did analysis of remaining.

They all did analysis of leaving.

Then they compared.  That's how this shit works.

Utter rubbish. 

Where was the in depth analysis of what our long term membership of the EU entailed in terms of increasing contributions, the rebate, Shenghen, the Euro, the EU Military, the impact of new countries joining, loss of sovereignty, etc etc?

There was little or none, just an wooly unspoken assumption that it would have been business as usual had we voted to remain, which is utter 'dangle berries' in my view as they would have used that remain vote against us in any negotiations about the rebate, transfers of powers etc. 

[Lizzie Zoom]

We are stupid remember, leavers did not know what we were voting for, but of course the remainers did.   Mmmmm

Yes, we knew the "£350 million per week we pay to the EU" was a lie, and immigration could not be stopped and those "not born here" could not be sent "back home".  Very basic stuff because that is what was being fed to the voters, and when the truth about it came out, and Brexit would be a very hard job, people like Buffoon Boris just disappeared!

We do pay that to the EU, although some of it comes back to the UK in the form of rebate,with very explicit instructions on how it must be spent.
No-one in any campaign mentioned stopping all immigration or sending foreigners home, unless you were listening to radio BNP ?
Boris didn't disappear, he was appointed foreign secretary and subsequently resigned in disgust at Mays chequers plan surrender treaty.

So you are one of the reckoned 42% of the population who still believe this lie

The UK Statistics Authority, whilst the bus was still going around, made it clear that "£350 million" claim was "misleading and undermines trust in official statistics”as the net figure actually paid to the EU, after all considerations such as rebates and payments from the EU, according to Sir Andrew Dilnot, the chair of the authority, was nearer £136 million per week.

As for the anti immigration stance, it was clear from interviews with the general public and the reaction within migrant communities, that they believed leaving the EU would mean Britain would again have complete control of it's borders and stop the great immigrant influx seen to date.


With the 'Leave' lies still resonating around the land it is not surprising that Parliament cannot reach an agreement as the country is still split and will be until a new government is formed with a new mandate, after a confirmatory referendum for the people, as the one of, what will be , over 3 years old and past it's sell by date, needs the up to date facts of what Brexit really means

 

[ronnyd]

So in other words, have a referendum, those in power who don,t like it dither around for three years, say it,s "passed it,s sell by date" so we need a new one. Small wonder politicians are held in total contempt.

[Lizzie Zoom]

So in other words, have a referendum, those in power who don,t like it dither around for three years, say it,s "passed it,s sell by date" so we need a new one. Small wonder politicians are held in total contempt.

Well it is far from pretty, and the whole thing to date has been a disaster, but that is what we have got. 

Now the whole county, and especially the politicians, must again put their heads together and come up with real answers to resolve all the many issues still outstanding.

[Varche]

Some comments.

Immigration. Even from within the EU could have been managed. The home secretary ( Theresa May astonishingly) chose not to. EU countries like Spain used quite draconian and arbitrary rules on what constituted sufficient income/ funds for residence. The UK stance was similar to that of slavery. We need cheap workers to fundrhe rich getting richer.

Lies were put out by both sides. It is called electioneering. A rhetorical question. Has the UK economy crashed and burned like the Hallowed and Revered pundits suggested? Of course it hasn't. Oh and How is Germany doing?

As Sir Tigger quite correctly says,there is no analysis of where Britain will be in ten or twenty years by staying in the EU. The naivety is breathtaking. It does however illustrate just how complacent folks are in relatively good times. The soon to be in post unelected EU leaders could suggest and implement a ten per cent tax on everyone to fund green cows and we would not bat-an eyelid. That is the truly scary reality. It is EU so must be good.

I have got to the point where I truly do not care anymore. We get what we deserve. The clues are there with the Eurovision song contest.  At least I tried.

[TheBoy]

Utter rubbish. 

Where was the in depth analysis of what our long term membership of the EU entailed in terms of increasing contributions, the rebate, Shenghen, the Euro, the EU Military, the impact of new countries joining, loss of sovereignty, etc etc?

PMSL.  It was/is all there.  The Farage mob chose to ignore it, as it didn't fit in with their lies.  The (old style, pre last summer) Fail chose to ignore it, as it didn't fit in with their desired outcomes.  Even the beeb covered it slightly, despite their more senior correspondents being pro hard leave.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Utter rubbish. 

Where was the in depth analysis of what our long term membership of the EU entailed in terms of increasing contributions, the rebate, Shenghen, the Euro, the EU Military, the impact of new countries joining, loss of sovereignty, etc etc?

PMSL.  It was/is all there.  The Farage mob chose to ignore it, as it didn't fit in with their lies.  The (old style, pre last summer) Fail chose to ignore it, as it didn't fit in with their desired outcomes.  Even the beeb covered it slightly, despite their more senior correspondents being pro hard leave.

I think we must be living in different countries. 

[TheBoy]

Brakkers and Daarzett are clearly opposite ends of the country


I'm sure Andrea Leadsome is/was or local MP.