Topic: Omega / Vectra The similarities (Read 6213 times)

Markie · « **on:** 09 October 2006, 20:04:54 »

Ok

Vectra sri 2,6 v6 - is this the same engine ( 03 model) that is in the latest 2.6 omegas

Does anyone know the model of engines?

why.....tell you later

Gwilym · « **Reply #1 on:** 09 October 2006, 20:39:58 »

Are you considering a transplant?

Markie · « **Reply #2 on:** 09 October 2006, 20:44:34 »

no no no but if i had to source an engine for a 2.6sri vectra i am wondering if it needs to be from a vectra or s it the same as the 2.6 late model omegas. :-/

Gwilym · « **Reply #3 on:** 09 October 2006, 20:48:38 »

They came out at the same time and I would not imagine VX creating 2 different engines of the same size in the same year as R&D is so expensive.

Probably only drive that is different.

However I am only giving my opinion, I have no mechanical skill whatsoever.

mr des · « **Reply #4 on:** 09 October 2006, 20:51:51 »

same block but the manifolds and gearbox ends will be different IMO

TheBoy · « **Reply #5 on:** 09 October 2006, 21:37:25 »

If its anything like Vectra 2.5/Omega 2.5, same basic engine, but all intake/manifold/g/box etc all different...

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #6 on:** 09 October 2006, 21:41:46 »

Same block, heads and management system

Different inlet and exhaust manifolds, fly wheel, clutch, sump........so yes, a An Omega base could be used in a Vectra if certain bits were swapped over.

Martin_1962 · « **Reply #7 on:** 09 October 2006, 21:42:49 »

I suppose a VEctra could supply an engine for an Omega

TheBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** 09 October 2006, 21:45:45 »

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I suppose a VEctra could supply an engine for an Omega

Same applies, if bits swapped over, its possible...

Markie · « **Reply #9 on:** 09 October 2006, 21:54:27 »

would the vectra be fbw ?

I may have the chance of a very late very cheap vectra 2.6 suspect hgf

now i have never heard of vauxhall v6`s having hgf - we all know for example the oil coolers tend to go.

But i am working on the worst case scenario hat it is top end damage and ( just for bad luck) bottom end damage and i need a new engine!!

v6 vectras prone to hg failure? or could it be something more sinister or even something more simple ( calling all veccys)

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #10 on:** 09 October 2006, 21:57:48 »

All 2.6's are FBW.....even in the vectra......headgasket failure....unlikely.....

Markie · « **Reply #11 on:** 09 October 2006, 22:07:31 »

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All 2.6's are FBW.....even in the vectra......headgasket failure....unlikely.....

thought so on both counts

so purley on a hunch Mark what would it likely be if a muppet mechanic tells you your 2.6 v6 has hg failure? Oil cooler again?

TheBoy · « **Reply #12 on:** 09 October 2006, 22:08:32 »

sounds like oil cooler, unless its done mega miles...

Markie · « **Reply #13 on:** 09 October 2006, 22:11:34 »

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sounds like oil cooler, unless its done mega miles...

33k 02 plate mot`d 6 weeks ago.......

I know we cant diagnose a car from a one line description but i am ust thinking that i really really doubt the head would go and its probably easier than heads......

Intresting...... i can feel by bank account twitching

TheBoy · « **Reply #14 on:** 09 October 2006, 22:13:14 »

Would be very unusual if it was HG. Plus, I reckon you have abilities and equipment to do even if it was

Markie · « **Reply #15 on:** 09 October 2006, 22:14:50 »

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Would be very unusual if it was HG. Plus, I reckon you have abilities and equipment to do even if it was

your too kind

show of hands then buy it or not buy it.............its less than 4 figures!!!!!

TheBoy · « **Reply #16 on:** 09 October 2006, 22:18:06 »

go for it! if you don't I will

Markie · « **Reply #17 on:** 09 October 2006, 22:23:08 »

my head and heart is telling me yes, as is the wife but im scared

:-/

Wheres Mr Project himself ....ask Ronnie

TheBoy · « **Reply #18 on:** 10 October 2006, 09:16:26 »

Markiec, you can do oil cooler easy - you know that.

Also, if it is HG, I reckon you could plod through it, and have a decent garage judging by previous photos.

Worse case, break it - Vectra SRi bits are probably rarer than Omega bits, so should be able to shift a load.

Markie · « **Reply #19 on:** 10 October 2006, 09:59:14 »

heres the update......

just spoken to the guys and completed an hpi.....picking it up tomorrow.

Car is 40000miles late 02 2.6 sri - FULL service history.

Guy had it serviced and its all documented including the £600 cost just two weeks ago.

Last week he noticed it getting misty inside and stopped, noticed temp going up too.
Took it to garage who said, head gasket(s) and oill cooler....

Just as WE suspected last night.

My one concern - if ( and its a big if i think) its hgf i would expect it to drive. It doesnt it starts, ticks over fine and dies in a few yards........

Would oil cooler cause this? ?

Oh and a 2.6 Manual - Yeeeha

Big Rod · « **Reply #20 on:** 10 October 2006, 10:12:43 »

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I suppose a VEctra could supply an engine for an Omega

OK, it wasn't a V6, but my Batmobile had an engine out of a Calibra. The only things I really had to replace were the sump, oil pick up and the dipstick. (Actually the dipstick was the hardest piece to swap over believe it or not!!). The EGR valve was different, but a bit of spare C30SE IACV hose sorted that out without having to replace it. (Thankfully, 'cos the manifold was rusted solid!!)

Big Rod · « **Reply #21 on:** 10 October 2006, 10:14:17 »

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heres the update......

just spoken to the guys and completed an hpi.....picking it up tomorrow.

Car is 40000miles late 02 2.6 sri - FULL service history.

Guy had it serviced and its all documented including the £600 cost just two weeks ago.

Last week he noticed it getting misty inside and stopped, noticed temp going up too.
Took it to garage who said, head gasket(s) and oill cooler....

Just as WE suspected last night.

My one concern - if ( and its a big if i think) its hgf i would expect it to drive. It doesnt it starts, ticks over fine and dies in a few yards........

Would oil cooler cause this? ?

Oh and a 2.6 Manual - Yeeeha

You'd be daft not to Jock!

Even if you do what's suggested and break the thing up.

Fill yer boots mate!!

Markie · « **Reply #22 on:** 10 October 2006, 10:18:16 »

its done

collecting it tomorrow - ended on ebay paypal deposit paid....

this is now the point i wonder what i have just done.

And is this the point i need to utilise to other site or can i post questions on the general section here....Jamie...thoughts?

TheBoy · « **Reply #23 on:** 10 October 2006, 10:46:48 »

Feel free to post Veccy probs in General Chat, engines are similar enough, but done rule out other site... ...if you're not banned

Markie · « **Reply #24 on:** 10 October 2006, 10:57:24 »

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Feel free to post Veccy probs in General Chat, engines are similar enough, but done rule out other site... ...if you're not banned

Me Banned - oh no no no no!

Actually i dont think i am. But may get Mrs Markiec to start afresh purley for this project.

Havent tbeen back in 84 days,

Martin_1962 · « **Reply #25 on:** 10 October 2006, 12:08:35 »

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I suppose a VEctra could supply an engine for an Omega

OK, it wasn't a V6, but my Batmobile had an engine out of a Calibra. The only things I really had to replace were the sump, oil pick up and the dipstick. (Actually the dipstick was the hardest piece to swap over believe it or not!!). The EGR valve was different, but a bit of spare C30SE IACV hose sorted that out without having to replace it. (Thankfully, 'cos the manifold was rusted solid!!)

At leastit finishes its life in a better place

Markie · « **Reply #26 on:** 10 October 2006, 14:53:48 »

not sure if the picture wil work, as i cant use photo thingy at work...

more later/ ie tomorrow......

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #27 on:** 10 October 2006, 16:14:58 »

Thats a right bargain I think....

Markie · « **Reply #28 on:** 10 October 2006, 16:18:53 »

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Thats a right bargain I think....

Heres hoping Mark

oil cooler failure wouldnt stop car running though would it - albeit it would be rough - i know hgf wont stop a car running - if your careful :-/
guess we just need to wait and see when it gets here tomorrow and into my garage!

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #29 on:** 10 October 2006, 16:25:19 »

Compression test as a first job..........then check the crank sensor.

The Barge Captain · « **Reply #30 on:** 10 October 2006, 19:45:38 »

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Compression test as a first job..........then check the crank sensor.

Can't belive it's taken this long for someone to say crank sensor

TheBoy · « **Reply #31 on:** 10 October 2006, 20:03:16 »

Kev's too scared

Markie · « **Reply #32 on:** 10 October 2006, 20:28:27 »

2002 vectra - last of the "old shape" can it be paperclip tested ?

TheBoy · « **Reply #33 on:** 10 October 2006, 20:43:37 »

Not if its a 2.6....

TheBoy · « **Reply #34 on:** 10 October 2006, 20:44:57 »

At least its not Veccy-C, thats all Can Bus shite

(mind you, as I have CANdi for my Tech2, I make money from it

)

Markie · « **Reply #35 on:** 10 October 2006, 21:10:55 »

bah, oh well heres me had my paperclip all nice and tuned as well.... :-/

TheBoy · « **Reply #36 on:** 10 October 2006, 21:13:03 »

I believe its OBDII compliant, so could get a cheap generic reader?

Markie · « **Reply #37 on:** 10 October 2006, 21:18:12 »

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I believe its OBDII compliant, so could get a cheap generic reader?

i was thinking that but wasnt sure how good the imitations were

TheBoy · « **Reply #38 on:** 10 October 2006, 21:20:35 »

Nothing is going to match a manufacturer's specific scan tool...

Markie · « **Reply #39 on:** 10 October 2006, 21:53:30 »

anyone on particular on ebay that could be deemed to be reliable ? and whats an aceptable price?

im loath to buy direct from China.....

TheBoy · « **Reply #40 on:** 10 October 2006, 21:56:42 »

no recommendations from me, never bought one...

Markie · « **Reply #41 on:** 10 October 2006, 21:59:51 »

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no recommendations from me, never bought one...

hee hee o know your one of the lucky ones with the real McCoy

TheBoy · « **Reply #42 on:** 10 October 2006, 22:04:04 »

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no recommendations from me, never bought one...

hee hee o know your one of the lucky ones with the real McCoy

Markie · « **Reply #43 on:** 11 October 2006, 13:02:17 »

Heres the udate - car paid for v5 with me and both sets of keys etc.
Decided due to the route not to tow - based on the afct i have a local garage willing to do it tonight its a 22.9mile route each way and they will do it for £45, frankly they can have the hassle.

Sooooo...had a poke about it this morning in the guys work parking place.

The car starts but is very tappety and rought - switched it back off after a few seconds.

Header tank has very little in it and whats in it is very thiick gunk - darker than mayo - no smell of fumes in it.

Oil header seems ok - no mayo at all..

dipstick shows only golden syrupy newly changed oil - nohing at all untoward.

What i did notice is that the gunk from the header tank has leaked - all over the bottom of the engine bay all over the wishbones, driveshaft and all steering gubbings at passenger side wheel ( in other words its emptied its load NOT into oil but shot straight down....) untill it gets here tonight i wont know much more but i actually think its positive so far - as in not requiring a full engine :-/

thoughts ?

TheBoy · « **Reply #44 on:** 11 October 2006, 19:46:56 »

still reckon shagged oil cooler. Probably knackered the expansion cap, hence why empty...

Markie · « **Reply #45 on:** 11 October 2006, 20:09:31 »

well its pretty messy - i reckon there must have been some serious pressure as it has forced the top off - the pics will show what i mean, however if it had forced the top off theres no gunk on the soundproofing under the bonnet - so i reckon its shot down or over sides....oh jeez i dont know as i was looking in a downpour in the dark.. !!!!!!

........cant do much right now as i have no garage space - it should support 3 cars but with a me having a bleeding v6 omega in bits , a freezer, washing machine, pool table, 2 engine hoists and god knows what else....oh and then theres a renault to attent to - no in fact make that two.... :-/

i really really dont have time for the veccy but it was far too good to miss out on so t can sit in a corner and sulk untill...

some pics to follow.....

this one is self explanatory

as is this one

oil nice and oily in here no gunk !!

and this oil is fine - NOT nothing on the dipstick to suggest a problem

Nice enough...

Ok apologies for going on about vectras i will say no more

...apart from i have used a new id elsewhere and posted on another forum in the relevant car / technical section and got no response since yesterday

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #46 on:** 11 October 2006, 20:21:30 »

Oil cooler......when the oil gets at the coolant tank lid seal it distorts and throws oily coolant everywhere.

The insides like a bit dirty....

Markie · « **Reply #47 on:** 11 October 2006, 21:48:08 »

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Oil cooler......when the oil gets at the coolant tank lid seal it distorts and throws oily coolant everywhere.

The insides like a bit dirty....

so compression test, oil cooler,

obviously needs a few flushes of oil and fortes/ coolant flush several times.

Would you take the heads off to have a lok see at this stage..... or try the above first....? :-/

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #48 on:** 11 October 2006, 21:58:21 »

Leave the heads where they are and drop an oil cooler in.

Flush the system and check the plug wells for oil and go from there.

Markie · « **Reply #49 on:** 12 October 2006, 13:24:19 »

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Leave the heads where they are and drop an oil cooler in.

Flush the system and check the plug wells for oil and go from there.

thanks Mark, oil cooler is it on TC?

i wont be doing it, as mentioned untill i get the cdx away, meantime today -

decided - as i had a hunch - to fill some coolant into the header - not much mind...i had a squeeze about the radiator hoses and there wasnt much happening. True to form the coolant dribbled straight out again - bottom of the radiator. Also removed battery and header tank.

Clearly the radiator is goosed....so its what happened first time ( chicken and egg time)

radiator - hole - leak of coolant - pop goes everything
or oil cooler - block - heat - radiator...oh i dunno back preassure and off with the cap ?.... :-/

deal with a few hgf rovers but boy had i forgotten how hard it is to get the mayo off everything.........

under battery tray and beyone ( looking down ) gunk as fa as the eye can see - note however its ALL come from header

a shot from under neath - taken from front paessenger side - gunk gunk gunk gunk gunk bloody gunk

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