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[Steve B]

90467543 breather to plenium seal ordered it on monday along with other stuff,Just been down to main dealer and bloke behind parts desk said The part is no longer available. 

[Diamond Black Geezer]

It was a matter of months ago, I bought one. Strange. Also infuriating if this is the case!!!

[Steve B]

wonder if andyc can confirm

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Hoping that this is just an example of a dealer can't be bothered. Has happened before on several parts.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

First one on googling "vauxhall 90467543"

http://www.vauxhallworldparts.com/vauxhall.php?partnumber=90467543

So hopefully all is not lost!

[Darth Loo-knee]

Don't worry if you can't get one, I have several plenums which will bound to have a good one amongst them 

[Diamond Black Geezer]

I've found that these are almost always torn every time you remove the breather bridge - I appreciate that cleaning the breathers isn't exactly a weekly routine, bu nevertheless it's a consumable part, just like tyres, oil, whatever. I can sort of appreciate things like diff V-bushes which split after 200k not being made anymore, there isn't the demand, as such, but these things are pretty much worth replacing every time you do the breathers, especially given their sub-£2 cost. I know plenty of OOFers get half a dozen, just because it's not worth the drive just for a £2 part. Wish I'd got some, now!

Darth - everyone is about to become your best friend, if you have some! 

[VXL V6]

Yet to see one spit or fall apart. 

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Really? Oooh, when I did the breathers on my old man's years ago, that was in pieces. When I came to re-do it recently (same car, now in my hands) that was split again. Bought a later long plenum off here a few months back, and that one was split, too. So in my experience that's nothing but broken ones. Either I've been unlucky, or you're lucky.. ah well, I suspect the former! 

[VXL V6]

Might be an age / heat thing. I usually find they have a light coat of oil on that keeps them soft, same as the O rings on the breather bridge.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

I think (it's my theory) that if you undo the central stud under the 'ECOTEC' cover, then prise the breather bridge upward and off pivoting where the two in/outlets meet the throttle body, this is where excess pressure pulls and splits the seal. It is, of course, the wrong way to remove the breather bridge, and you risk snapping the end off one of the plastic tubes at the throttle body (like mine is  ) as well. Must most likely bad practice employed in the cars' pasts... 

[Steve B]

He said 10 years after production stopped on the omega is the cut off date. when they no longer need to supply parts.

He was a ok bloke,seen him a few times,He was well aware of the cam cover gaskets they sell compared to the hard pattern stuff
Also told me i was also in the trade club now. I like him 

[Diamond Black Geezer]

He said 10 years after production stopped on the omega is the cut off date. when they no longer need to supply parts.

He was a ok bloke,seen him a few times,He was well aware of the cam cover gaskets they sell compared to the hard pattern stuff
Also told me i was also in the trade club now. I like him 

ahhh that thing .... oh dear. the rot's setting in.. 

[Marks DTM Calib]

90467543 breather to plenium seal ordered it on monday along with other stuff,Just been down to main dealer and bloke behind parts desk said The part is no longer available. 

Got one you can have,

[andyc]

Yup, tried to find one a few weeks back and came back as NLS

Andy

[Steve B]

Yup, tried to find one a few weeks back and came back as NLS

Andy

So the nice man on the parts counter was telling the truth    I better get down there quick and say sorry for all them remarks i said about his mother 

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Anyone thought of checking at a SAAB dealer? - if they exist? How do people get SAAB parts now?

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Also...


http://mmdronten.com/engine/distribution/seal-cover-protection-cover/1960079635/seal/ no price - just 'price on request' 

[Steve B]

Also...


http://mmdronten.com/engine/distribution/seal-cover-protection-cover/1960079635/seal/ no price - just 'price on request' 

Thats two you have found now 

Mine was in good condition and didn't need replacing.. But there you go they can be got 

[davieboy0312]

http://www.vauxhallworldparts.com/Part-Search/Vauxhall-Part-Search.php?description=90467543&Submit=Start+Search

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Yeah, I'm a bit relieved! They can be got... for now! Might start stocking up on Crank sensors, too, now! 

[dbug]

Think I've still got 4 new GM ones here - whats left of my stock may well be up for grabs when the Estate goes

[Diamond Black Geezer]

 

[Steve B]

Yeah, I'm a bit relieved! They can be got... for now! Might start stocking up on Crank sensors, too, now! 

Im gonna get one Soon (sick of spending money)Just spoke to Vx Part No; 90540743 £46.75 + Vat

[Entwood]

Resurrecting an old thread as I now need one of these and can't find a source anywhere ... Well, found one in the states .. $4.65 .. plus $42.00 postage !!

Would any OOFer have either a new one or a good condition used one they would like to sell... please ..

[Doctor Gollum]

Give me a week or so and I might be able to get some... Will be more than $5 though...

[Entwood]

Give me a week or so and I might be able to get some... Will be more than $5 though...

I guess all V6 owners will need them to do a breather clean properly .. so perhaps a "group buy" might be feasible and reduce costs ?? If it helps, and the price is not exorbitant, I'd buy more than one and keep a few on the shelf for future use ...

[Steve B]

Think I've still got 4 new GM ones here - whats left of my stock may well be up for grabs when the Estate goes

There you go Entwood..    dBug sold the car recently

[Entwood]

Think I've still got 4 new GM ones here - whats left of my stock may well be up for grabs when the Estate goes

There you go Entwood..    dBug sold the car recently

Yeah .. sent him a PM and awaiting a response ......   

[dbug]

Think I've still got 4 new GM ones here - whats left of my stock may well be up for grabs when the Estate goes

There you go Entwood..    dBug sold the car recently

Yeah .. sent him a PM and awaiting a response ......   

PM replied 

[dbug]

Think I've still got 4 new GM ones here - whats left of my stock may well be up for grabs when the Estate goes

There you go Entwood..    dBug sold the car recently

Yeah .. sent him a PM and awaiting a response ......   

PM replied 

And within the hour - patience is a virtue   

[Entwood]

Possibly a light at the end of the tunnel (or a train coming at me ... )... been put in contact with a "friend of a friend" who has a relative in USA who is a heavily into car maintenance.... so emails have been sent to see if he can get some and post them across in a jiffy bag ...... initial response has been favourable and he seems to understand the problem ... just have to hope that the GM part number from UK is, in fact, the same GM part number in USA !!... images have been sent to, hopefully, get the right bit ... given his, so far, decent "tech speak" and understanding ....  here's hoping .....

[Andy H]

I wonder where the original seals were manufactured? I thought all the V6s were built in Ellesmere Port

[Webby the Bear]

I got mine from stealers a year or so ago. I'll call tomorrow to see if they can still get them. I'm sure I have a couple of spares knocking about if needed 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Possibly a light at the end of the tunnel (or a train coming at me ... )... been put in contact with a "friend of a friend" who has a relative in USA who is a heavily into car maintenance.... so emails have been sent to see if he can get some and post them across in a jiffy bag ...... initial response has been favourable and he seems to understand the problem ... just have to hope that the GM part number from UK is, in fact, the same GM part number in USA !!... images have been sent to, hopefully, get the right bit ... given his, so far, decent "tech speak" and understanding ....  here's hoping .....

Nige, I am sure I have one (or maybe more) new ones, drop me a PM and I will chuck one in the post

[Entwood]

With very grateful thanks to Mark DTM (aka Fuse 19)  I am now the proud owner of a brand new seal  So we now know what Saturdays job is .. oil change, breather clean , new top hat seal.. 

However ......  your collective wisdom sought

Chatting down the pub last night about things various, and the subject of this seal arose....  and various comments ensued, to cut it short ... when I "were a lad" and started doing my own maintenance, I always put a smear of Vaseline on seals such as this. Years later I was told that Vaseline, being petroleum based, damaged the seals and they should be fitted "dry", which is what I have been doing. Several said that was daft and that they used Vaseline as it made fitting easier, and the seal did not stick or get damaged on removal. Two said they now used "silicon grease" on seals as it did the same but at no risk of reacting with the rubber as it is not petroleum based.

So whats the opinion of you all please  ??

Dry
Vaseline
Silicon Grease

?

[tunnie]

I put grease on the O-ring for the oil filter, but as it's changed so often it never really gets time to 'damage' the rubber, just helps make a good seal.

[Lazydocker]

With very grateful thanks to Mark DTM (aka Fuse 19)  I am now the proud owner of a brand new seal  So we now know what Saturdays job is .. oil change, breather clean , new top hat seal.. 

However ......  your collective wisdom sought

Chatting down the pub last night about things various, and the subject of this seal arose....  and various comments ensued, to cut it short ... when I "were a lad" and started doing my own maintenance, I always put a smear of Vaseline on seals such as this. Years later I was told that Vaseline, being petroleum based, damaged the seals and they should be fitted "dry", which is what I have been doing. Several said that was daft and that they used Vaseline as it made fitting easier, and the seal did not stick or get damaged on removal. Two said they now used "silicon grease" on seals as it did the same but at no risk of reacting with the rubber as it is not petroleum based.

So whats the opinion of you all please  ??

Dry
Vaseline
Silicon Grease

?

. STEMO prefers it dry

As to your question... I used to use Vaseline and probably still would if I needed something (as I don't have any silicone grease to hand) but I would think either ok.

[Kevin Wood]

Bear in mind that silicone is seriously bad news for your lambda sensors, so not sure I'd use it in the intake system, although in the quantities used to smear on a seal, you'd probably be unlucky to kill them.

EDIT: This seal is also unlikely to be sensitive to petroleum given the application. Seals in braking systems might be a different matter.

[Marks DTM Calib]

A small amount of silicon grease is the correct stuff to use.

Vaseline does indeed rot the rubber.

Of course, on an oil filter seal you should use a small wipe of engine oil 

[Entwood]

A small amount of silicon grease is the correct stuff to use.

Vaseline does indeed rot the rubber.

Of course, on an oil filter seal you should use a small wipe of engine oil 

'Twill be done so ... many thanks for both the seal and the advice ... now ... can you also arrange for it to be dry in RWB on Saturday ??   

[amba]

Lets hope so as I will be driving the length of the M4 right past you on the way to Tenby on holiday,with 2 daughters/husband/partner..2 grand children an SWTSMBO 

Praying for sun all the way and good luck with your maintenance.

[Doctor Gollum]

A ring of black goo around the hole on the plenum would be a reasonable alternative to a new seal as and when they become obsolete

[Entwood]

A ring of black goo around the hole on the plenum would be a reasonable alternative to a new seal as and when they become obsolete

Local stealers say they already are ..   NLS and no plans to re-stock ...

[Andy H]

My twopennyworth-
The waist-band of the the seal needs to withstand whatever vacuum the inlet manifold can pull. The gusset prevents air movement between each side of the manifold but probably doesn't make any difference except when the engine is idling.

When my seal eventually disintegrates I will find an O-ring to replace the waist-band and not worry too much about the crotch strap ......

[Kevin Wood]

Yep, a little leakage between the two plenum halves won't be a catastrophe.

I tend to avoid ever taking it off, though. Once the breathers have been cleaned from initial neglect a little squirt of carb cleaner through them in-situ when the plenum is off for each cam belt change does the job.

[gbh]

I also need a seal if anybody has one as mine is in two halves.I've just contacted Baylis local Vauxhall dealers to see if they have one!!!