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Title: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 19:42:40
Wifey rang me the other morning to tell me the eml and traction control symbols had come on, along with 'reduced engine power'. It kept happening a while back and Vauxhall changed the dbw switch on the accelerator pedal. 'Not again' I thought.
Then she tells me it happened at exactly the same time as she used the rear screen wash. I told her not to be daft, they couldn't possibly be connected. She comes home and parks up tonight and, before she switched off, I asked her to operate the rear screen wash. Bong, bong, bong..traction control eml and reduced power  :-[

I have a theory  ::)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 19:44:39
Oh.....and 'service airbag' earlier today. Bong.....bong.....bong  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Raeturbo on 06 November 2019, 19:47:12
Canbus  is a nightmare >:(
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 19:48:20
Canbus  is a nightmare >:(
Any electrical system is a nightmare if you introduce water.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 06 November 2019, 19:49:37
astra and other cars suffer the looms in the door shuts ,boot hatch becoming brittle ,shorting out wires
as it's a newish astra,it will be canbus
canbus shorting will spew out all sorts of faults
what's your theory Uncle Stemo  :-\
fire damage to the canbus loom at the back ?


Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 06 November 2019, 19:51:18
I see Mr Raeturbo has already used the C WORD   ;D :D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 19:54:01
astra and other cars suffer the looms in the door shuts ,boot hatch becoming brittle ,shorting out wires
as it's a newish astra,it will be canbus
canbus shorting will spew out all sorts of faults
what's your theory Uncle Stemo  :-\
fire damage to the canbus loom at the back ?
No. The motor for the rear screen wash is in the passenger footwell somewhere, sounds so loud you'd think it was actually inside the car. If it was leaking slightly, dripping water on all of the front to rear and underseat wiring running along the top of the offside sill, it would activate all kinds of messages on the dash. Just a theory.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 19:57:11
These guys are probably in for a Christmas lights display soon



https://www.astrakforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=3890
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 06 November 2019, 20:02:44
are you sure the screen wash motor is not under the wing  :-\
not familiar with the newer models  :-[
the older ones used to leak out onto the cooling control module
one pump did front and rear (by reversing the polarity)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 20:07:30
are you sure the screen wash motor is not under the wing  :-\
not familiar with the newer models  :-[
the older ones used to leak out onto the cooling control module
one pump did front and rear (by reversing the polarity)
As I said, Dave, wherever it is, it brings on the traction control light when you use it. So I'm assuming it's leaking onto something. Sounds too clear when running to be under the wing, but I'll accept it could be.
Vauxhall can sort it out, when we get time . If they haven't got/don't want to give a courtesy car, I can get her a  Toyota Aygo for £130 for a week from enterprise. That will teach her.  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Andy B on 06 November 2019, 20:20:40
are you sure the screen wash motor is not under the wing  :-\
not familiar with the newer models  :-[
the older ones used to leak out onto the cooling control module
one pump did front and rear (by reversing the polarity)

That's what I'd have thought  :-\
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 20:25:42
are you sure the screen wash motor is not under the wing  :-\
not familiar with the newer models  :-[
the older ones used to leak out onto the cooling control module
one pump did front and rear (by reversing the polarity)

That's what I'd have thought  :-\
IIRC, the front and rear washers have different pumps. Im 90% sure, but it's raining, so I'm not going outside to check.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 06 November 2019, 20:30:15
are you sure the screen wash motor is not under the wing  :-\
not familiar with the newer models  :-[
the older ones used to leak out onto the cooling control module
one pump did front and rear (by reversing the polarity)

That's what I'd have thought  :-\
it is on astra G,H, J
https://workshop-manuals.com/vauxhall/astra-j/body_systems/wipers_and_washers/repair_instructions/windshield_washer_pump_replacement/ (https://workshop-manuals.com/vauxhall/astra-j/body_systems/wipers_and_washers/repair_instructions/windshield_washer_pump_replacement/)

but if it's not the actual pump leaking ,and it IS the pipe that runs to the tailgate ,could be leaking anywhere along the line  :(
dripping screenwash on to all manor of expensive electricary gubbins  :o
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 20:32:34
are you sure the screen wash motor is not under the wing  :-\
not familiar with the newer models  :-[
the older ones used to leak out onto the cooling control module
one pump did front and rear (by reversing the polarity)

That's what I'd have thought  :-\
it is on astra G,H, J
https://workshop-manuals.com/vauxhall/astra-j/body_systems/wipers_and_washers/repair_instructions/windshield_washer_pump_replacement/ (https://workshop-manuals.com/vauxhall/astra-j/body_systems/wipers_and_washers/repair_instructions/windshield_washer_pump_replacement/)

but if it's not the actual pump leaking ,and it IS the pipe that runs to the tailgate ,could be leaking anywhere along the line  :(
dripping screenwash on to all manor of expensive electricary gubbins  :o
I'm not gonna worry too much, it will be sorted one way or another.

And it's not my car  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Andy B on 06 November 2019, 20:32:41
.....
it is on astra G,H, J  ....

And Fiat Seicento  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Andy B on 06 November 2019, 20:33:10
....

And it's not my car  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 06 November 2019, 20:35:08
.....
it is on astra G,H, J  ....

And Fiat Seicento  ;) ;)
no need for bad language  :o  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Raeturbo on 06 November 2019, 20:35:22
are you sure the screen wash motor is not under the wing  :-\
not familiar with the newer models  :-[
the older ones used to leak out onto the cooling control module
one pump did front and rear (by reversing the polarity)

That's what I'd have thought  :-\.    Agreed
it is on astra G,H, J
https://workshop-manuals.com/vauxhall/astra-j/body_systems/wipers_and_washers/repair_instructions/windshield_washer_pump_replacement/ (https://workshop-manuals.com/vauxhall/astra-j/body_systems/wipers_and_washers/repair_instructions/windshield_washer_pump_replacement/)

but if it's not the actual pump leaking ,and it IS the pipe that runs to the tailgate ,could be leaking anywhere along the line  :(
dripping screenwash on to all manor of expensive electricary gubbins  :o
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 20:35:38
Just been out, two different pumps. One quiet and away from the driver, the other (noisy rear one) on the left somewhere.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 20:36:10
Service airbag still lit, too.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 20:40:06
https://www.astrakforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=5376
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 20:41:56
From that thread

"They tested his concentration of screen wash, which was ok. He got it repaired under warranty and the water ingress had fried his ecu.".

I'm a clever chap, me  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Andy B on 06 November 2019, 20:49:39
.....
it is on astra G,H, J  ....

And Fiat Seicento  ;) ;)
no need for bad language  :o  ;D
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Andy B on 06 November 2019, 20:52:48
Stevo123 seems to have the same problem .....  ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Raeturbo on 06 November 2019, 21:08:06
From that thread

"They tested his concentration of screen wash, which was ok. He got it repaired under warranty and the water ingress had fried his ecu.".

I'm a clever chap, me  ;D
. Nice one👍
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 21:23:56
Stevo123 seems to have the same problem .....  ::) ::) ;)
That's me, Andy   ;D
I'll probably never post again, but if someone sees the thread, it may help them.  :y
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 06 November 2019, 21:28:49
torx bits and trim clips to remove all the interior trim etc Uncle Stemo  :y
My Omega doesn't have rear screen wash ,other than the one GOD provides on a regular basis  ;D :D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 21:33:40
torx bits and trim clips to remove all the interior trim etc Uncle Stemo  :y
My Omega doesn't have rear screen wash ,other than the one GOD provides on a regular basis  ;D :D
It's still under warranty, Dave. One way to invalidate that is torx bits and trim clips and removing all the interior trim.  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 06 November 2019, 21:44:22
torx bits and trim clips to remove all the interior trim etc Uncle Stemo  :y
My Omega doesn't have rear screen wash ,other than the one GOD provides on a regular basis  ;D :D
It's still under warranty, Dave. One way to invalidate that is torx bits and trim clips and removing all the interior trim.  ;D
Or taking it to another garage ::)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 21:44:57
torx bits and trim clips to remove all the interior trim etc Uncle Stemo  :y
My Omega doesn't have rear screen wash ,other than the one GOD provides on a regular basis  ;D :D
It's still under warranty, Dave. One way to invalidate that is torx bits and trim clips and removing all the interior trim.  ;D
Or taking it to another garage ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D      ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Raeturbo on 06 November 2019, 21:46:08
Mines too old for that, lucky I can’t afford a new one :y
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Andy B on 06 November 2019, 22:08:29
....
That's me, Andy   ;D .....

No $h1t Sherlock  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Andy B on 06 November 2019, 22:11:18
You'd have thought that Vx would've used a single length of tubing through the car .... or at least not put a join under the dash within a mile of wiring
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 22:17:57
You'd have thought that Vx would've used a single length of tubing through the car .... or at least not put a join under the dash within a mile of wiring
It's not screwed together very well at all. It feels very lightweight compared to the H and J.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 06 November 2019, 22:18:48
In fact, it is an actual euro shitbox.  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Andy B on 06 November 2019, 22:22:03
In fact, it is an actual euro shitbox.  ;D

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 06 November 2019, 23:13:45
Well, it is French... :D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Kevin Wood on 07 November 2019, 00:03:02
Well, it is French... :D

Yes, now owned by Plastic Shitbox Artisans.  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Raeturbo on 07 November 2019, 00:16:13
I see Mr Raeturbo has already used the C WORD   ;D :D
.       

                     Oh yes :y
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 07 November 2019, 07:08:22
All warning lights have extinguished this morning so, as long as she doesn't use the rear screen wash, we have bought some time.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: aaronjb on 07 November 2019, 07:46:28
All warning lights have extinguished this morning so, as long as she doesn't use the rear screen wash, we have bought some time to trade it in and leave the fault for the next person, just outside of the warranty period.

Fixed that for you :y
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Rangie on 07 November 2019, 08:02:44
Unfortunately that's what kills modern cars the electrical system, so simple years ago,but hey that's progress..😃
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 07 November 2019, 10:23:51
All warning lights have extinguished this morning so, as long as she doesn't use the rear screen wash, we have bought some time to trade it in and leave the fault for the next person, just outside of the warranty period.

Fixed that for you :y
If only, but it's first MOT is due next month........and they'll test the rear screen wash as part of the test.
Tester: I'll just give the rear screen a quick squirt. FU KINELL!!! What's all those lights?  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 07 November 2019, 10:55:16
Easy. Drain the screenwash bottle and see if he'll let it squeeze through on an advisory as 'whoops, must've forgotten to fill up the washer bottle, mate'  ;)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 07 November 2019, 11:11:03
Booked into Perrys on Mon 18th and a courtesy car booked. If the courtesy car is decent, might just hang on to it and tell then to keep ours.  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 07 November 2019, 16:32:52
I see Mr Raeturbo has already used the C WORD   ;D :D

CAN is ace, its only a couple of twisted wires
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 07 November 2019, 16:52:19
I see Mr Raeturbo has already used the C WORD   ;D :D

CAN is ace, its only a couple of twisted wires
not so "ace" if you want to mod stuff ,like adding cameras and the feeds you want to tap into are PWM  ;D
I had to add opto-isolator relays and extra wiring (the astra H cars of the fleet)


Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: TheBoy on 07 November 2019, 17:07:10
Canbus  is a nightmare >:(
What's wrong with CAN?

Its far better/simpler/cheaper/lighter/reliable than the old ways of doing things?
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: TheBoy on 07 November 2019, 17:07:57
I see Mr Raeturbo has already used the C WORD   ;D :D

CAN is ace, its only a couple of twisted wires
Oops, should have read the other 3 pages of posts before I posted ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 07 November 2019, 17:10:04
I see Mr Raeturbo has already used the C WORD   ;D :D

CAN is ace, its only a couple of twisted wires
Oops, should have read the other 3 pages of posts before I posted ;D
Why break the habit of a lifetime?  :P
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: TheBoy on 07 November 2019, 17:11:03
I see Mr Raeturbo has already used the C WORD   ;D :D

CAN is ace, its only a couple of twisted wires
not so "ace" if you want to mod stuff ,like adding cameras and the feeds you want to tap into are PWM  ;D
I had to add opto-isolator relays and extra wiring (the astra H cars of the fleet)
Programmable CAN controllers are 2-a-penny now, if you simply want to read the messages.  If you want to inject messages for your other custom CAN controllers, its easy.  Its if you want to inject messages for the factory fit ECUs to use is where you will have fun...
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: TheBoy on 07 November 2019, 17:11:32
I see Mr Raeturbo has already used the C WORD   ;D :D

CAN is ace, its only a couple of twisted wires
Oops, should have read the other 3 pages of posts before I posted ;D
Why break the habit of a lifetime?  :P
I am having a bad run this week ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 07 November 2019, 17:13:17
She said the airbag light has come back on. I could end up having fun with the dealer here. :-\
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 07 November 2019, 17:37:04
run the front screen jets to empty the tank, put some (not much) vauxhall recommended screen wash in neat, put the rest of the bottle in the car for the vauxhall part swap monkey to see
check the rear jet is not blocked (causing the line to go high pressure and leak)
if it's under warranty ,you covered what you need
ask for a couple of gallon of screen wash and a full tank of fuel as a good will gesture  :P
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 07 November 2019, 18:00:15
run the front screen jets to empty the tank, put some (not much) vauxhall recommended screen wash in neat, put the rest of the bottle in the car for the vauxhall part swap monkey to see
check the rear jet is not blocked (causing the line to go high pressure and leak)
if it's under warranty ,you covered what you need
ask for a couple of gallon of screen wash and a full tank of fuel as a good will gesture  :P
They're not daft. They'll take the sample straight out of the rear jet.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Raeturbo on 07 November 2019, 23:55:07
I see Mr Raeturbo has already used the C WORD   ;D :D

CAN is ace, its only a couple of twisted wires
.                                                         They’re twisted alright👀😂👍
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Viral_Jim on 08 November 2019, 13:53:19
run the front screen jets to empty the tank, put some (not much) vauxhall recommended screen wash in neat, put the rest of the bottle in the car for the vauxhall part swap monkey to see
check the rear jet is not blocked (causing the line to go high pressure and leak)
if it's under warranty ,you covered what you need
ask for a couple of gallon of screen wash and a full tank of fuel as a good will gesture  :P
They're not daft. They'll take the sample straight out of the rear jet.

So if you don't use their screenwash, it's a no to a warranty claim?  ???
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 08 November 2019, 14:27:21
run the front screen jets to empty the tank, put some (not much) vauxhall recommended screen wash in neat, put the rest of the bottle in the car for the vauxhall part swap monkey to see
check the rear jet is not blocked (causing the line to go high pressure and leak)
if it's under warranty ,you covered what you need
ask for a couple of gallon of screen wash and a full tank of fuel as a good will gesture  :P
They're not daft. They'll take the sample straight out of the rear jet.

So if you don't use their screenwash, it's a no to a warranty claim?  ???
It's one less thing for them to wriggle on...
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 08 November 2019, 14:31:46
run the front screen jets to empty the tank, put some (not much) vauxhall recommended screen wash in neat, put the rest of the bottle in the car for the vauxhall part swap monkey to see
check the rear jet is not blocked (causing the line to go high pressure and leak)
if it's under warranty ,you covered what you need
ask for a couple of gallon of screen wash and a full tank of fuel as a good will gesture  :P
They're not daft. They'll take the sample straight out of the rear jet.

So if you don't use their screenwash, it's a no to a warranty claim?  ???
No, Jimmy. Apparently, they state that it must be a 50/50 mix. So I'll have to make sure it's 50/50 at the rear jet, which will involve making sure that's what I have in the bottle, and then getting it to the rear jet, thus soaking the electrics and lighting up my Christmas tree again. Sigh......... :(
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 10 November 2019, 12:56:14
All dash lights off again this morning, it's obviously drying out. Just got to convince Vx to fix the pipe without 'proving the fault', or we'll be back to square one.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 18 November 2019, 09:56:09
Gets down to Vx this morning, worrying about trying to make the receptionist understand the fault. An acquaintance of mine is sitting with another receptionist explaining exactly the same fault! We said hello and swapped tales about which dash lights were coming on. With his car it was the works.....everything.
That coincidence saved me a whole lot of words. :)
Neither receptionist batted an eyelid, they knew already.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: aaronjb on 18 November 2019, 09:58:59
Ah .. TADTS (They All Do That Sir)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 18 November 2019, 10:03:55
Ah .. TADTS (They All Do That Sir)
Yeah. I also asked him if he'd had a replacement throttle pedal switch, as per another thread of mine. He had. ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 November 2019, 11:12:52
These newfangled carriages are clearly built to last...
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 18 November 2019, 12:29:26
These newfangled carriages are clearly built to last...
They will last forever if Vauxhall continue to adopt the Trigger's broom approach 
though Trigger, thick as he is ,worked out which part actually needed swapping ,rather than throwing parts at it willy-nilly  :-X
remember to book it in for another throttle pedal in January Uncle Stemo  :y
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 18 November 2019, 12:32:32
These newfangled carriages are clearly built to last...
They will last forever if Vauxhall continue to adopt the Trigger's broom approach 
though Trigger, thick as he is ,worked out which part actually needed swapping ,rather than throwing parts at it willy-nilly  :-X
remember to book it in for another throttle pedal in January Uncle Stemo  :y
Out of warranty by then. Perhaps they fitted the new, super-upgraded, indestructible one last time. Hope so.  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 18 November 2019, 13:00:23
These newfangled carriages are clearly built to last...
They will last forever if Vauxhall continue to adopt the Trigger's broom approach 
though Trigger, thick as he is ,worked out which part actually needed swapping ,rather than throwing parts at it willy-nilly  :-X
remember to book it in for another throttle pedal in January Uncle Stemo  :y
Out of warranty by then. Perhaps they fitted the new, super-upgraded, indestructible one last time. Hope so.  ;D
I hope so , for your sake  :y
I think that they only have ONE spare pedal ,and they swap your old one into the next astra that comes in and so on ,
sooner or later, you'll end up with your original pedal back  ;D
all the brand new pedals they order for the jobs, the Vauxhall part swapper sticks on Eboy
oops , I mean Ebay  :-X
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 18 November 2019, 13:17:49
Shocked  :o

Vx phoned me earlier and asked if they could fit a new rear wiper blade as old one was knackered. I said yes.
Just had a call to say the car is ready to collect. MOT, service, leak fixed with new length of hose and new rear wiper blade. £232. Like I said......shocked  :o
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 18 November 2019, 13:25:53
Shocked  :o

Vx phoned me earlier and asked if they could fit a new rear wiper blade as old one was knackered. I said yes.
Just had a call to say the car is ready to collect. MOT, service, leak fixed with new length of hose and new rear wiper blade. £232. Like I said......shocked  :o
Mind you, thinking about it, the leak was fixed under warranty, so no charge. Still very reasonable for a dealer.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 18 November 2019, 13:42:20
rear wiper is not an MOT item
that's your pension blown for another month Uncle Stemo  :(
and you'd already replaced her tyres as a Christmas present  :P
hope she shows you her appreciation  :-X
 
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 November 2019, 13:43:13
Warranty repairs should have at least a year on them regardless of the rest of the car :y

Also rear blade should also be FOC as the fluid delivery issue would have caused premature wear ;)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 18 November 2019, 16:17:41
You mean hearted, miserable bastards. I'm happy, so eff off  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 25 November 2019, 15:59:23
Tried the washer for the first time last night, the motor sounds much quieter. I reckon there's a bit of insulation gone in.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: aaronjb on 25 November 2019, 16:06:57
You mean they stuffed an adult sized nappy in there to soak up the next leak.. :y
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 25 November 2019, 16:12:00
You mean they stuffed an adult sized nappy in there to soak up the next leak.. :y
You cynic!



Probably.  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 25 November 2019, 16:17:33
the pump is lubed by screenwash ,if the pump is pumping and moving fluid ,it's quiet because the jet limits the flow ,reducing motor speed ,
if it's out of fluid ,or the fluid flows too fast (due to a massive leak) the motor is not slowed down, it will howl  :y

Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 25 November 2019, 16:52:28
the pump is lubed by screenwash ,if the pump is pumping and moving fluid ,it's quiet because the jet limits the flow ,reducing motor speed ,
if it's out of fluid ,or the fluid flows too fast (due to a massive leak) the motor is not slowed down, it will howl  :y
Yes, I know. But it's quieter now, with screen wash, than it was before, with screen wash.  :)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 25 November 2019, 17:07:33
the pump is lubed by screenwash ,if the pump is pumping and moving fluid ,it's quiet because the jet limits the flow ,reducing motor speed ,
if it's out of fluid ,or the fluid flows too fast (due to a massive leak) the motor is not slowed down, it will howl  :y
Yes, I know. But it's quieter now, with screen wash, than it was before, with screen wash .  :)
but you had a leak ,it will be noisier before ,motors running slower now it's not leaking
OR
time for new hearing aid batteries  :-\  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 25 November 2019, 18:10:44
the pump is lubed by screenwash ,if the pump is pumping and moving fluid ,it's quiet because the jet limits the flow ,reducing motor speed ,
if it's out of fluid ,or the fluid flows too fast (due to a massive leak) the motor is not slowed down, it will howl  :y
Yes, I know. But it's quieter now, with screen wash, than it was before, with screen wash .  :)
but you had a leak ,it will be noisier before ,motors running slower now it's not leaking
OR
time for new hearing aid batteries  :-\  ;D
Anyway, did I say? The motor is quieter now.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 25 November 2019, 18:26:49
another few weeks and those dashboard lights would have been quite festive looking  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: ronnyd on 25 November 2019, 20:59:50
another few weeks and those dashboard lights would have been quite festive looking  ;D
Haven,t you realised yet Dave that Christmas these days starts on Aug 31st.  ::) ;)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 26 November 2019, 07:21:01
Missus tried to open the passenger side window from drivers side switch this morning and it didn't work. Neither of the rear ones either. Sigh.............
So....either there's a reset, which I CBA looking at right now, or Vx have disconnected a wire on the passenger side.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 26 November 2019, 11:33:15
Just been down and showed them how 'displeased' I was. They don't do repairs on a Saturday morning, just services and MOT's.
It's booked in for Saturday morning  :)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 26 November 2019, 11:44:02
oh dear, your not having much luck with that one Uncle Stemo  :(
is the car dry inside now ? or got condensation ?
if it's wet, do you have a small heater you could put in and leave a window slightly cracked open  :-\

Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 26 November 2019, 12:36:21
oh dear, your not having much luck with that one Uncle Stemo  :(
is the car dry inside now ? or got condensation ?
if it's wet, do you have a small heater you could put in and leave a window slightly cracked open  :-\
There wasn't any sign of damp inside the car, there were no worries about that. It's probably a wire which has been pulled from the passenger side switch, we'll see. It will cost nowt, except time.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Nick W on 26 November 2019, 14:52:39
the pump is lubed by screenwash ,if the pump is pumping and moving fluid ,it's quiet because the jet limits the flow ,reducing motor speed ,
if it's out of fluid ,or the fluid flows too fast (due to a massive leak) the motor is not slowed down, it will howl  :y
Yes, I know. But it's quieter now, with screen wash, than it was before, with screen wash.  :)


they probably used Eboy recommended thicker screenwash 8)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 November 2019, 15:14:59
oh dear, your not having much luck with that one Uncle Stemo  :(
is the car dry inside now ? or got condensation ?
if it's wet, do you have a small heater you could put in and leave a window slightly cracked open  :-\
There wasn't any sign of damp inside the car, there were no worries about that. It's probably a wire which has been pulled from the passenger side switch, we'll see. It will cost nowt, except time.

At your age, time must be your most precious commodity.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 26 November 2019, 15:17:47
oh dear, your not having much luck with that one Uncle Stemo  :(
is the car dry inside now ? or got condensation ?
if it's wet, do you have a small heater you could put in and leave a window slightly cracked open  :-\
There wasn't any sign of damp inside the car, there were no worries about that. It's probably a wire which has been pulled from the passenger side switch, we'll see. It will cost nowt, except time.

At our age, time must be your most precious commodity.
Hah. I've got at least thirty years yet.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 November 2019, 15:21:25
Just noticed I missed a y, so fixed it. Im 60 now and wouldn't want another 30 years. 10 possibly, but I think that will probably do me.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 26 November 2019, 15:23:15
Just noticed I missed a y, so fixed it. Im 60 now and wouldn't want another 30 years. 10 possibly, but I think that will probably do me.
Yeah, yeah. Until you're 70, then another 10 years will do.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 November 2019, 15:25:51
Dunno, impossible to tell tbh. I do think longevity for its own sake is over rated though. The first 60 years have been mostly mediocre at best, so why should whatevers left be much better ?
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 26 November 2019, 15:30:04
Dunno, impossible to tell tbh. I do think longevity for its own sake is over rated though. The first 60 years have been mostly mediocre at best, so why should whatevers left be much better ?
Might as well top yourself right now, then. See ya  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 26 November 2019, 17:11:00
Dunno, impossible to tell tbh. I do think longevity for its own sake is over rated though. The first 60 years have been mostly mediocre at best, so why should whatevers left be much better ?
Might as well top yourself right now, then. See ya  ;D
The "love" this forum spreads sometimes amazes me  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 November 2019, 17:27:17
Yeah reminds me of the Samaritans  :o
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 26 November 2019, 17:32:35
Yeah reminds me of the Samaritans  :o
let's hope Uncle Stemo don't work for the Samaritans, though it may cut there phone bill right down  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 November 2019, 17:37:41
Don’t think he’d fit in somehow ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 November 2019, 17:42:46
I dunno...  :-\  He could be onto a winner if he got commission from the undertakers.  :)  :y
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 26 November 2019, 18:19:59
'Top yerself, yer worthless, whining bastard' would be my advice.  :y
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 November 2019, 18:32:23
'Top yerself, yer worthless, whining bastard' would be my advice.  :y

"But before you do... Just sign here please?"  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 26 November 2019, 18:36:08
'Top yerself, yer worthless, whining bastard' would be my advice.  :y
steady on  ::)
Mr  Migv6 le Frog Fan is clearly at a very low ebb as it is ,probably very depressed
He drives a POS French Renault CL-Eeyore  :(
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 November 2019, 20:25:10
'Top yerself, yer worthless, whining bastard' would be my advice.  :y
steady on  ::)
Mr  Migv6 le Frog Fan is clearly at a very low ebb as it is ,probably very depressed
He drives a POS French Renault CL-Eeyore  :(
That's not all bad news... According to Renault, driving a clit turns you thespian  ;)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 26 November 2019, 20:34:32
'Top yerself, yer worthless, whining bastard' would be my advice.  :y
steady on  ::)
Mr  Migv6 le Frog Fan is clearly at a very low ebb as it is ,probably very depressed
He drives a POS French Renault CL-Eeyore  :(
That's not all bad news... According to Renault, driving a clit turns you thespian  ;)
That ad makes me sick.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 November 2019, 20:43:59
I can’t stand any adverts  >:(
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 26 November 2019, 20:49:28
Sky plus and use the fast forward button  :y
that's what I do  ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 November 2019, 20:51:44
If only someone could come up with an idea to stop the annoying trash automatically.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 26 November 2019, 20:52:02
Sky plus and use the fast forward button  :y
that's what I do  ;D
You can't ff live tv, or you'd be able to see the winner of the 2:30 at Epsom tomorrow. ;D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 26 November 2019, 20:52:54
If only someone could come up with an idea to stop the annoying trash automatically.
But then there'd be no money to pay for what's in between.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 26 November 2019, 20:56:34
Missus tried to open the passenger side window from drivers side switch this morning and it didn't work. Neither of the rear ones either. Sigh.............
So....either there's a reset, which I CBA looking at right now, or Vx have disconnected a wire on the passenger side.
All windows work from their own door buttons. No mirror adjustment from drivers side switch. Was looking at a fuse, but front and rear windows are different fuses. Anyway, Vx can sort it.
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 26 November 2019, 21:10:09
Sky plus and use the fast forward button  :y
that's what I do  ;D
You can't ff live tv, or you'd be able to see the winner of the 2:30 at Epsom tomorrow. ;D
I never watch live TV ,I record a series then watch it or at least a show
i sometimes forget to Fast Forward , so subjected to some adverts
but ,I forget them too  ;D
anyway ....
off to GO COMPARE some Aldi and Tesco cold snacks  :P
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 November 2019, 21:16:04
Got to watch  what I’m doing with the FF button.... especially if I’m watching horse racing and betting :o
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 November 2019, 21:16:34
Sky plus and use the fast forward button  :y
that's what I do  ;D
You can't ff live tv, or you'd be able to see the winner of the 2:30 at Epsom tomorrow. ;D
I never watch live TV ,I record a series then watch it or at least a show
i sometimes forget to Fast Forward , so subjected to some adverts
but ,I forget them too  ;D
anyway ....
off to GO COMPARE some Aldi and Tesco cold snacks  :P

I bet you feel like a dick when you realise that you're watching recorded adverts!  ;D

How would I know that?  ::)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: STEMO on 30 November 2019, 14:34:21
Missus tried to open the passenger side window from drivers side switch this morning and it didn't work. Neither of the rear ones either. Sigh.............
So....either there's a reset, which I CBA looking at right now, or Vx have disconnected a wire on the passenger side.
All windows work from their own door buttons. No mirror adjustment from drivers side switch. Was looking at a fuse, but front and rear windows are different fuses. Anyway, Vx can sort it.
So......took it down to Vx this morning at 8, phone call at 12:30, we need it for a couple of days to find out wtf is going on, or words to that effect. Wifey is off to the black hole that is Nottingham for three days on Monday, so I'll book it in after that..............and she will have to suffer a viva for a few days.
Thank god for warranties.  ::)
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: BazaJT on 30 November 2019, 18:04:55
Ah,the joys of owning a newer car when the computer says "No" :D
Title: Re: Weird fault
Post by: dave the builder on 30 November 2019, 18:57:54
I bet they haven't even looked at it yet   :(
probably hoping the ECU BCM etc will dry themselves out if they leave it long enough  ::)
I drove a 65 plate one Thursday ,lots of buttons and a massive expanse of plastic dash compared with the Astra H
they now have an arm rest though ,which the Astra H lacks  :y