Topic: can a ncdc 2013 be de bosed (Read 4023 times)

charlie · « **on:** 18 August 2010, 17:35:30 »

As above can you run it on 4omh speakers at all?

TheBoy · « **Reply #1 on:** 18 August 2010, 18:22:27 »

yes. Needs reconfig with Tech2, then all the bose amp/speakers ripped out

charlie · « **Reply #2 on:** 20 August 2010, 17:34:18 »

Interesting,What would i need to do to fit this into my project 2.2dti saloon,radio,gid, cage ,the wires from harness to cage, aerial wire,radio amp thing under parcel shelf ,aerial(or would you recommend a better aerial)and could the de-bosing and gid(if need to be,changed to a 2.2dti settings)be done by post. wink wink jamie

charlie · « **Reply #3 on:** 20 August 2010, 17:35:27 »

Indictor stalk aswell

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TheBoy · « **Reply #4 on:** 22 August 2010, 11:08:21 »

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Interesting,What would i need to do to fit this into my project 2.2dti saloon,radio,gid, cage ,the wires from harness to cage, aerial wire,radio amp thing under parcel shelf ,aerial(or would you recommend a better aerial)and could the de-bosing and gid(if need to be,changed to a 2.2dti settings)be done by post. wink wink jamie

Its not clear what you are trying to do - fit a ncdc from another car into a saloon? With or without bose?

I would not trust an NCDC to the post nowadays without going overboard on packaging.

charlie · « **Reply #5 on:** 22 August 2010, 21:12:21 »

YIp i was thinking about retro fitting it into a non bose car.but today i had a look at the bose wiring(the first time i looked,i thought,i would have no chance of getting it to work.)it looks simple, plus cost free.I will start another thread just to confirm what i thought today when looking at the harness.

VXL V6 · « **Reply #6 on:** 22 August 2010, 21:15:15 »

What model Omega are you thinking of fitting it in?

charlie · « **Reply #7 on:** 22 August 2010, 21:19:07 »

I've a choose of two, both cd models.ive found a web page by a gentleman(the name escapes me at the mo)with a bit of a how two

it may be nick angry :-/

VXL V6 · « **Reply #8 on:** 22 August 2010, 21:38:18 »

Retrofitted one to the CD Estate but I also fitted the Bose which meant building a sub loom to break out the speaker outputs, +12V etc etc via a grafted in kick panel connector as non-Bose facelift cars don't have this connector in place unlike the pre-facelifts.

The extra wiring from thw NCDC to Display is minimal for a GID

charlie · « **Reply #9 on:** 22 August 2010, 21:46:14 »

would i be right in thinking there 19 wires that need joining 8 speakers in ,8 speakers out and 1 earth/0 volts 1 ing live and 1 perment live thats for the bose??? if that makes sense

TheBoy · « **Reply #10 on:** 22 August 2010, 21:48:59 »

Remote on/off also reqd.

charlie · « **Reply #11 on:** 22 August 2010, 21:51:39 »

Would that be the red and white wire

VXL V6 · « **Reply #12 on:** 22 August 2010, 21:54:06 »

Indeed!

charlie · « **Reply #13 on:** 22 August 2010, 21:57:12 »

would the feed for this come from no.6 or 7 on the top block(of the three)

TheBoy · « **Reply #14 on:** 22 August 2010, 22:01:37 »

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would the feed for this come from no.6 or 7 on the top block(of the three)

Check the wiring diags for your radio, as the bose amp remote connection does vary...

charlie · « **Reply #15 on:** 22 August 2010, 22:55:38 »

will do, because charlie plus eletrics =fire

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #16 on:** 23 August 2010, 18:59:04 »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're going to reconfig. the head unit to be non-bose and install in a car that doesn't have Bose the speaker outputs will just connect to the existing loom?

Might need some tweaking of the display wiring, as said, of course....

Kevin

TheBoy · « **Reply #17 on:** 23 August 2010, 19:11:49 »

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're going to reconfig. the head unit to be non-bose and install in a car that doesn't have Bose the speaker outputs will just connect to the existing loom?

Might need some tweaking of the display wiring, as said, of course....

Kevin

yup

VXL V6 · « **Reply #18 on:** 23 August 2010, 21:06:45 »

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're going to reconfig. the head unit to be non-bose and install in a car that doesn't have Bose the speaker outputs will just connect to the existing loom?

Might need some tweaking of the display wiring, as said, of course....

Kevin
yup

Yep, was just trying to point out that if the OP did want to look into Bose'ing the car then there is a bit more to do on a facelift!

charlie · « **Reply #19 on:** 23 August 2010, 21:10:30 »

I was going to put it into a non bose car.But i have had another look at the bose wiring harness and believe i could retrofit that aswell,as i've got the speakers amp wiring etc.Now thinking about it,its becoming more of a challenge.

charlie · « **Reply #20 on:** 23 August 2010, 21:16:14 »

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're going to reconfig. the head unit to be non-bose and install in a car that doesn't have Bose the speaker outputs will just connect to the existing loom?

Might need some tweaking of the display wiring, as said, of course....

Kevin
yup

Yep, was just trying to point out that if the OP did want to look into Bose'ing the car then there is a bit more to do on a facelift!

I understand that theres no plug and play on the facelifts for the bose system.i have got some of the wiring from the radio to kick panel and a few spare,36 outlet connectors to make, hopefully a working loom

VXL V6 · « **Reply #21 on:** 24 August 2010, 22:11:00 »

Ideally you need a 36 ISO male and female fully wired (A trafficmaster sub-loom is the best solution) then take your tails for the screen and Bose link from the Male end (which the cars loom will now plug into).

This can then be tucked on the r/h side of the console (the only place where there is space.

I found the easiest way to install the cabling to the kick panel connector was to make up your loom from the trafficmaster sub loom, install it and route the cabling out along the original cabling route and under the steering column / around the pedal box (taking particular care to make sure nothing snags) then 'graft' the kick panel connector on afterwards. There isn't an option to make the complete loom up first then install because there just isn't the room to feed any of the connectors through the route required.

charlie · « **Reply #22 on:** 25 August 2010, 10:58:14 »

some quick Questions.Q1 after the speakers have been though the amp can i join back up with existing speaker wires/Or do you,extend the thicker wires to each door.Q2 On the car harness the four sets of speaker wires branch off to the earth( 0 volts)for the radio.can i put these to an earth ie the body? hope with makes sense. cheers charlie

VXL V6 · « **Reply #23 on:** 25 August 2010, 18:51:32 »

Q1 Yep, the speaker outputs from the radio go to the bose amp and the return outputs fromthe amp go to the speakers.

Q2 On a OEM Bose install the speaker outputs from the head unit are caried in two core shielded cable, the shield goes to 0V.

charlie · « **Reply #24 on:** 25 August 2010, 19:00:06 »

ON q1 after the speaker wires have been routed to the amp, can the out wires be routed back to the main harness?.also what picture or abbr on the radio is the remote wire? cheers charlie

VXL V6 · « **Reply #25 on:** 25 August 2010, 19:17:33 »

Yes, On my loom I used a trafficmaster loom, cut the speaker outputs, soldered flyleads to both ends, routed them down to the kick panel then soldered them to the kick panel connector I obtained from a breaker.

charlie · « **Reply #26 on:** 04 September 2010, 17:14:12 »

Well this as started today,few hiccups 1 theres no holes for rear shelf speakers

VXL V6 · « **Reply #27 on:** 05 September 2010, 23:27:19 »

Some of them have perforations to allow you to cut the holes out.

TheBoy · « **Reply #28 on:** 06 September 2010, 07:23:41 »

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Some of them have perforations to allow you to cut the holes out.

I think only up to 1998

charlie · « **Reply #29 on:** 06 September 2010, 11:52:59 »

back to basics

charlie · « **Reply #30 on:** 06 September 2010, 12:09:36 »

right ive made a school boy error,so as above backto basics the 32 pin plug is back together,the 36 way loom as 16 tails for speakers 1 for amp remote 1 earth tail 1 live tail,what other work needs doing to the 36 way plug cheers charlie

TheBoy · « **Reply #31 on:** 06 September 2010, 12:29:26 »

The TM loom needs a tweak for the display IIRC.

//TB scuttles around looking for a TM loom he modified earlier, but buggered if he can find it

- info gleanable from wiring diags

Screen end, I use a bit of phone cable or cat5 wrapped around (from memory) pin 1 and pin 34 to save modifying anything that end.

charlie · « **Reply #32 on:** 06 September 2010, 14:13:23 »

right back on track please dont use the guild im workig from it is the very hard way,there is a lot simpler way

charlie · « **Reply #33 on:** 07 September 2010, 15:23:58 »

Bose test 1 complete

;DThis as took four days it should take 2 hours

Sixstring · « **Reply #34 on:** 07 September 2010, 15:30:09 »

I admire your dogged determination, matey!!

"I want it, so therefore it CAN be done........!

charlie · « **Reply #35 on:** 07 September 2010, 15:37:41 »

It can be done very easily,but i read up on what to do and went about it the very very long way,now just to solder it in and make it perment then i may go for a drive

Sixstring · « **Reply #36 on:** 07 September 2010, 15:41:23 »

Nah, mate.....full marks for perseverance. would have got a bit heated by now!

charlie · « **Reply #37 on:** 10 September 2010, 11:13:39 »

While waiting for my new antenna,Ive jump in car this morning and it now knows where it is.so this upgrade is now 100% done

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