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Working Time Directive HGV Q
« on: 17 June 2018, 17:40:50 »

Looking at a slight change of job. And haven't really had to worry about WTD before... Driving hours have usually been the limiting factor when doing distance multidrop work... besides that was part time.

Job I am looking at is 4 on 4 off 12 hour shifts but actual driving time is probably no more than 2-3 hours rest is loading/unloading cages. Consequently the firm is quite hot on the WTD 48 hour average.

Overtime is readily available and the difference in pay means that I will be able to make some positive financial headway without doing 300 hour months.

4/4 gives me a 17 week average of 38.82 hours or 660 hours (I have deducted the hour break each shift.

48 hours per week over 17 weeks gives me 816 hours... Which equates to a potential extra of 156 hours O/T over the 17 weeks.

So my question is this:

The 4/4 shift typically gives me 9 weeks of 4 shifts and 8 weeks of 3 shifts... Am I compliant if I do two days overtime on 7 of the 3 shift weeks?

As I understand it, the 17 week reference period is a rolling one, so by not doing OT on the 4 shift weeks I should keep the average within limits.

The reason for the question is twofold; firstly, to get a clearer financial perspective before I commit; and secondly, to make sure that I understand the WTD ready for an assessment next week.
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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #1 on: 17 June 2018, 18:11:25 »

Looking at a slight change of job. And haven't really had to worry about WTD before... Driving hours have usually been the limiting factor when doing distance multidrop work... besides that was part time.

Job I am looking at is 4 on 4 off 12 hour shifts but actual driving time is probably no more than 2-3 hours rest is loading/unloading cages. Consequently the firm is quite hot on the WTD 48 hour average.

Overtime is readily available and the difference in pay means that I will be able to make some positive financial headway without doing 300 hour months.

4/4 gives me a 17 week average of 38.82 hours or 660 hours (I have deducted the hour break each shift.

48 hours per week over 17 weeks gives me 816 hours... Which equates to a potential extra of 156 hours O/T over the 17 weeks.

So my question is this:

The 4/4 shift typically gives me 9 weeks of 4 shifts and 8 weeks of 3 shifts... Am I compliant if I do two days overtime on 7 of the 3 shift weeks?

As I understand it, the 17 week reference period is a rolling one, so by not doing OT on the 4 shift weeks I should keep the average within limits.

The reason for the question is twofold; firstly, to get a clearer financial perspective before I commit; and secondly, to make sure that I understand the WTD ready for an assessment next week.

Whatya gonna spend it on? ::)

Loose women and illegal narcotics would be my choice.
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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #2 on: 17 June 2018, 18:23:48 »

Finish paying my Stupid tax then save a bit and move up in car...

Debt free of course. :y

It won't be on the finest Omega available though :-X
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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #3 on: 17 June 2018, 18:25:29 »

As I always understood the WTD the onus is on your employer to ensure compliance not the worker, so if you are happy to work the hours to bring the cash in, don't worry about WTD.  That's your employers job!  ;)

And as for knowing the ins and out of the WTD, if you start spouting the finer points of the legislation at interview, they might see you as some trouble making barrack room lawyer.  :P
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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #4 on: 17 June 2018, 18:32:51 »

Fair dos. :y No fear on that front :P.

In that order ;D
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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #5 on: 17 June 2018, 18:42:22 »

When I was a HGVist, the WTD didn't make an iota of difference to my average 60-70 hour week, as parts of my working day such as waiting to be loaded/unloaded weren't considered 'work' for WTD purposes.  ::)

The only difference was that I had to spend about 20 minutes a day filling out complicated time sheets, which the firm had to employ extra peeps to administer to ensure compliance. It was estimated that the WTD cost the company about £250,000 a year to administer, which made the company less profitable and ultimately made all our jobs less secure.  >:(

And they wonder why we voted to leave!  ::)
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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #6 on: 17 June 2018, 19:06:28 »

Indeed... And I thought it was all about immigration  ::)
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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #7 on: 17 June 2018, 20:47:31 »

Stupid boy Pike!  ;D
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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #8 on: 17 June 2018, 21:49:16 »

Have you worked 4 on, 4 off before? I never have, but others I work with that have, mostly dont like them .....  :-\
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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #9 on: 17 June 2018, 22:06:08 »

It took a bit of getting used to, but my job involves working several long shifts in a row, followed by several days off.
I love it now and wouldn't ever want to go back to something like 8 hours a day, five days a week.
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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #10 on: 17 June 2018, 22:53:31 »

WTD can be referenced over 52 weeks if they wish  ;)

But you should be fine anyway  :y
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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #11 on: 17 June 2018, 23:11:13 »

Ta :y
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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #12 on: 17 June 2018, 23:12:41 »

Have you worked 4 on, 4 off before? I never have, but others I work with that have, mostly dont like them .....  :-\
Only for 12 of the last 22 years  ;)
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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #13 on: 18 June 2018, 08:39:03 »

Have you worked 4 on, 4 off before? I never have, but others I work with that have, mostly dont like them .....  :-\
Only for 12 of the last 22 years  ;)

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Re: Working Time Directive HGV Q
« Reply #14 on: 18 June 2018, 08:44:16 »

It took a bit of getting used to, but my job involves working several long shifts in a row, followed by several days off.
I love it now and wouldn't ever want to go back to something like 8 hours a day, five days a week.

I couldn't do 9 till 5 Mon to Fri  ..... I'd hate having just 2 days a week off. I mostly do 12 hour shifts & have done now for years, today is a short shift of just 9 hrs.
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