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[BazaJT]

While waiting for the first WSB race from Laguna Seca last night I watched the Formel E  race from New York.This is the first time I've watched this series and I must say it was very good-certainly better race than any in F1-loads of overtaking[and quite a bit of paint rubbing.From the commentary one of the main concerns was battery temperature.Driving over a very short section of track[and up against the wall in this case]gave the drivers "Attack Mode" which lasts for 4mins and can be used twice per race at a time of the drivers/team choosing.I'll have to watch more of these races[for what's left of this season/next season]to see if they live up to yesterdays race.

[TheBoy]

The noise is annoying, and they still have to implement false overtaking.  And look how slow they are.

Showing the milk floats are not ready for prime time yet.

[Viral_Jim]

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I prefer it to the shambles that is F1. A sport they've tried to make more interesting by adding more technical rules  .

I noticed there was talk this year that Hamilton's car 'might be over 1000 bhp this year'. Shows how utterly stagnant the sport is when the V10s in the late 90's were making 800.

[STEMO]

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I prefer it to the shambles that is F1. A sport they've tried to make more interesting by adding more technical rules  .

I noticed there was talk this year that Hamilton's car 'might be over 1000 bhp this year'. Shows how utterly stagnant the sport is when the V10s in the late 90's were making 800.

I doubt they were 1.6 V10's.

[Kevin Wood]

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I prefer it to the shambles that is F1. A sport they've tried to make more interesting by adding more technical rules  .

I noticed there was talk this year that Hamilton's car 'might be over 1000 bhp this year'. Shows how utterly stagnant the sport is when the V10s in the late 90's were making 800.

I doubt they were 1.6 V10's.

BRM ran a 1.5 L V16 back in the day.

Well, when i say ran,  not usually on all 16.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I find it utterly tedious. My poor grandchildren will only have that shite to watch instead of proper F1.
F1 has already gone hybrid for marketing and political pressure reasons, which is crazy imo, and its only a matter of time before it merges into formula e. 

[STEMO]

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I prefer it to the shambles that is F1. A sport they've tried to make more interesting by adding more technical rules  .

I noticed there was talk this year that Hamilton's car 'might be over 1000 bhp this year'. Shows how utterly stagnant the sport is when the V10s in the late 90's were making 800.

I doubt they were 1.6 V10's.

BRM ran a 1.5 L V16 back in the day.

Well, when i say ran,  not usually on all 16.

BHP?

[Kevin Wood]

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I prefer it to the shambles that is F1. A sport they've tried to make more interesting by adding more technical rules  .

I noticed there was talk this year that Hamilton's car 'might be over 1000 bhp this year'. Shows how utterly stagnant the sport is when the V10s in the late 90's were making 800.

I doubt they were 1.6 V10's.

BRM ran a 1.5 L V16 back in the day.

Well, when i say ran,  not usually on all 16.

BHP?

About 600 when it was working. Not bad considering it wasn't long post-war.

[Viral_Jim]

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I prefer it to the shambles that is F1. A sport they've tried to make more interesting by adding more technical rules  .

I noticed there was talk this year that Hamilton's car 'might be over 1000 bhp this year'. Shows how utterly stagnant the sport is when the V10s in the late 90's were making 800.

I doubt they were 1.6 V10's.

That's my very point, why 1.6l? Oh, because its yet another pointless rule that does nothing for the sport. For decades it was the pinnacle of motorsport, now its all about how well your pointy heads can digest/cheat the rulebook. F1 should be any size engine, number of cylinders, active aero, you name it, let's see what they've got, sure, chuck in some KERS if it makes the car faster, why ever not...

Give Formula E a decade or so, when its running faster and in more dramatic locations than F1 (where you can't have races for noise reasons) and its popularity will be massive. I just hope that it doesn't get hamstrung with the same tedium that afflicts formula 1.

[STEMO]

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I prefer it to the shambles that is F1. A sport they've tried to make more interesting by adding more technical rules  .

I noticed there was talk this year that Hamilton's car 'might be over 1000 bhp this year'. Shows how utterly stagnant the sport is when the V10s in the late 90's were making 800.

I doubt they were 1.6 V10's.

That's my very point, why 1.6l? Oh, because its yet another pointless rule that does nothing for the sport. For decades it was the pinnacle of motorsport, now its all about how well your pointy heads can digest/cheat the rulebook. F1 should be any size engine, number of cylinders, active aero, you name it, let's see what they've got, sure, chuck in some KERS if it makes the car faster, why ever not...

Give Formula E a decade or so, when its running faster and in more dramatic locations than F1 (where you can't have races for noise reasons) and its popularity will be massive. I just hope that it doesn't get hamstrung with the same tedium that afflicts formula 1.

It all started as an exercise to prove hybrid technology could be used in GP cars and then would be fed down to road cars. I think they lost their way on that one after about two races.

[BazaJT]

I agree that the noise they make can be irritating,but F1 cars don't sound that good either.TB if by false overtaking you mean the use of "attack mode" and "fan boost" then this is something that has gone on in motor racing since at least the 20s/30s-when Mercedes used their superchargers in this way[nailing the throttle brought the supercharger into use and was only for short duration use before easing off the throttle cut the supercharger back out again]-and I believe at one point F1 cars had a boost button for a similar effect.

[TheBoy]

I agree that the noise they make can be irritating,but F1 cars don't sound that good either.TB if by false overtaking you mean the use of "attack mode" and "fan boost" then this is something that has gone on in motor racing since at least the 20s/30s-when Mercedes used their superchargers in this way[nailing the throttle brought the supercharger into use and was only for short duration use before easing off the throttle cut the supercharger back out again]-and I believe at one point F1 cars had a boost button for a similar effect.

But the opponent could also use the same.

E-'dangle berries' shite wank and F1's DRS aren't the same, and are purely there to allow the driver following to overtake the car in front.  ie, false overtaking

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Its oversized Scalextric and F1 is heading the same way. I may be a Luddite or I may be a purist. You decide. 

[STEMO]

Its oversized Scalextric and F1 is heading the same way. I may be a Luddite or I may be a purist. You decide. 

It's just that you're like most on here, Albs.....old. My grandad did nothing but complain that things were changing for the worse, the Beatles were the spawn of Satan and as for tits in the newspaper  Then my dad went the same and now it's our turn.
Dinosaurs. 

[LC0112G]

Give Formula E a decade or so, when its running faster and in more dramatic locations than F1 (where you can't have races for noise reasons) and its popularity will be massive. I just hope that it doesn't get hamstrung with the same tedium that afflicts formula 1.

Street circuits aren't where F1 car's shine though. The A1 ring in Austria is a bit mickey mouse, and whilst Monaco and Singapore seem popular they're hopeless as races. 

Give me the classics at Silverstone, Hockenheim (the old one), Nurburg ring (the old one), Monza, Suzuka, Montreal, or the real daddy Spa, over any of the new courses. Be interesting next year to see how Zanfoort stacks up after so many years off the calendar.

Comparing F1 to Formula E is pointless. Apples and Pears.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

You forgot to type (the old one) after Silverstone. 

[STEMO]

You forgot to type (the old one) after Silverstone. 

I'm not as well up as you fellas, but I heard the new 'loop' mentioned, and it seemed that the commentator loved it.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Channel 4 commentator ? If so he is a dickhead, whichever one of them it happened to be. 

[STEMO]

Channel 4 commentator ? If so he is a dickhead, whichever one of them it happened to be. 

No, Sky.

[LC0112G]

You forgot to type (the old one) after Silverstone. 

I suppose - I do miss the Abbey-Bridge-Priory bit. Woodcote-Copse-Maggots-Becketts and hangar straight survived the recent redevelopment which was a relief.  I do wonder if they should have tightened up Stowe a tad though - despite it's length little overtaking happens on Hangar Straight due to the high entry speed to Stowe.

I still think they should mandate a halving of the rear wing size in the regs. Teams would then have to (more or less) half the size of front wings to balance the cars, and the reduction in down-force would both slow cornering speeds and allow closer following in the corners due to less wake turbulence. Or perhaps even mandate only one solid horizontal element in the front wing - would do a lot to reduce aero costs.

Really enjoyed Silverstone this year - I just wonder why the Cricket, Wimbers and Silverstone all had to be on the same day? Would quite happily have sat and watched all three start to finish, but had to skip the Tennis altogether in order to watch the first three quarters of the NZ innings, then the F1, then the last three quarters of the England innings.  And worse - ran out of beer when the cricket went to extra time and penalties.

[STEMO]

You forgot to type (the old one) after Silverstone. 

I suppose - I do miss the Abbey-Bridge-Priory bit. Woodcote-Copse-Maggots-Becketts and hangar straight survived the recent redevelopment which was a relief.  I do wonder if they should have tightened up Stowe a tad though - despite it's length little overtaking happens on Hangar Straight due to the high entry speed to Stowe.

I still think they should mandate a halving of the rear wing size in the regs. Teams would then have to (more or less) half the size of front wings to balance the cars, and the reduction in down-force would both slow cornering speeds and allow closer following in the corners due to less wake turbulence. Or perhaps even mandate only one solid horizontal element in the front wing - would do a lot to reduce aero costs.

Really enjoyed Silverstone this year - I just wonder why the Cricket, Wimbers and Silverstone all had to be on the same day? Would quite happily have sat and watched all three start to finish, but had to skip the Tennis altogether in order to watch the first three quarters of the NZ innings, then the F1, then the last three quarters of the England innings.  And worse - ran out of beer when the cricket went to extra time and penalties.

Looking forward to the new season? Or is that a sore point? 

[LC0112G]

You forgot to type (the old one) after Silverstone. 

I suppose - I do miss the Abbey-Bridge-Priory bit. Woodcote-Copse-Maggots-Becketts and hangar straight survived the recent redevelopment which was a relief.  I do wonder if they should have tightened up Stowe a tad though - despite it's length little overtaking happens on Hangar Straight due to the high entry speed to Stowe.

I still think they should mandate a halving of the rear wing size in the regs. Teams would then have to (more or less) half the size of front wings to balance the cars, and the reduction in down-force would both slow cornering speeds and allow closer following in the corners due to less wake turbulence. Or perhaps even mandate only one solid horizontal element in the front wing - would do a lot to reduce aero costs.

Really enjoyed Silverstone this year - I just wonder why the Cricket, Wimbers and Silverstone all had to be on the same day? Would quite happily have sat and watched all three start to finish, but had to skip the Tennis altogether in order to watch the first three quarters of the NZ innings, then the F1, then the last three quarters of the England innings.  And worse - ran out of beer when the cricket went to extra time and penalties.

Looking forward to the new season? Or is that a sore point? 

Still deciding whether to renew my misery season ticket this year. Planning a Lundon  pi55 up trip for opening game at Barnet on 3rd Aug. Clashes with the Edgbaston Ashes Test, but can then spend Saturday morning, early afternoon and all Sunday in the pub getting trollied (assuming it goes to the 4th day).

[STEMO]

Be careful. Don't let the footie and cricket interfere with your piss up. 

I stopped drinking and watching Liverpool years ago. Replacing all those televisions was getting expensive.

[Migalot]

Its oversized Scalextric and F1 is heading the same way. I may be a Luddite or I may be a purist. You decide. 

Couldn't agree more. Also the 'Attack Mode' and 'Fan Boost' are so contrived as to be laughable.

Dull as ditchwater.

[Nick W]

Its oversized Scalextric and F1 is heading the same way. I may be a Luddite or I may be a purist. You decide. 

Couldn't agree more. Also the 'Attack Mode' and 'Fan Boost' are so contrived as to be laughable.

Dull as ditchwater.

That's single seaters for you. Makes no difference if they've got a stock beetle engine, or 1000hp: they all look very similar and each formula has similar performance. So you might as well watch formulas where the drivers aren't evenly matched, which means club formulas. All you lose is some visual speed and (horrible) noise

[Kevin Wood]

Its oversized Scalextric and F1 is heading the same way. I may be a Luddite or I may be a purist. You decide. 

Couldn't agree more. Also the 'Attack Mode' and 'Fan Boost' are so contrived as to be laughable.

Dull as ditchwater.

That's single seaters for you. Makes no difference if they've got a stock beetle engine, or 1000hp: they all look very similar and each formula has similar performance. So you might as well watch formulas where the drivers aren't evenly matched, which means club formulas. All you lose is some visual speed and (horrible) noise

Indeed. Much more fun to be had as a spectator at out local grass track... and a tad lower budget.