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I am embarrassed to have persuaded my sister to buy a steel spare wheel for her Mokka, only to discover it will not fit in the hole in the boot floor. Hole has plenty of depth, but not diameter. Are space saver wheels smaller diameter?
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Yes...usually 15 or 16”.
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I am embarrassed to have persuaded my sister to buy a steel spare wheel for her Mokka, only to discover it will not fit in the hole in the boot floor. Hole has plenty of depth, but not diameter. Are space saver wheels smaller diameter?
Generally not, as with most cars that would upset the ABS/Stability. Not to mention one corner being dangerously lower than the other 3.

The wheel itself might be smaller diameter, but would have a higher profile tyre to make rolling diameter approximately equal.
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I am embarrassed to have persuaded my sister to buy a steel spare wheel for her Mokka, only to discover it will not fit in the hole in the boot floor. Hole has plenty of depth, but not diameter. Are space saver wheels smaller diameter?
Generally not, as with most cars that would upset the ABS/Stability. Not to mention one corner being dangerously lower than the other 3.

The wheel itself might be smaller diameter, but would have a higher profile tyre to make rolling diameter approximately equal.
The space savers on Vauxhalls are all 16” as far as I know. They fit into the spare wheel well where a full size won’t. So they must have a smaller rolling diameter. I’ve used mine on the astra and they are fine to get you to a repair shop, not dangerously lower at all.
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Learn something new every day :y

Its a stupid, wanky idea though.
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Learn something new every day :y

Its a stupid, wanky idea though.

No, not a bad idea really.  Not only for space saving reasons, but I'm sure people get the full sized tyre fixed quicker to avoid going round on the space saver for too long.  ;)

Before the days of space savers, I wonder how many people had a punctured tyre in the boot that they hadn't got round to fixing.  ::)
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The wife had to drive home from Sheffield in the dark after the AA man put her space saver on the Captur. The fickin thing was lit up like a Christmas tree. ABS, TPMS, TC, ABS and every other acronym we’re going mental.  ;D
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I am embarrassed to have persuaded my sister to buy a steel spare wheel for her Mokka, only to discover it will not fit in the hole in the boot floor. Hole has plenty of depth, but not diameter. Are space saver wheels smaller diameter?

Get her to place it on the boot lid like the old Rover 2000/2200/3500. :)

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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #10 on: 13 January 2018, 17:21:43 »

I am embarrassed to have persuaded my sister to buy a steel spare wheel for her Mokka, only to discover it will not fit in the hole in the boot floor. Hole has plenty of depth, but not diameter. Are space saver wheels smaller diameter?

Get her to place it on the boot lid like the old Rover 2000/2200/3500. :)


Or on the bonnet like a Landy
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #11 on: 13 January 2018, 17:50:04 »

I am embarrassed to have persuaded my sister to buy a steel spare wheel for her Mokka, only to discover it will not fit in the hole in the boot floor. Hole has plenty of depth, but not diameter. Are space saver wheels smaller diameter?

Get her to place it on the boot lid like the old Rover 2000/2200/3500. :)


Or on the bonnet like a Landy

Yep.......so problem now solved. :)

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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #12 on: 13 January 2018, 18:09:13 »

On an expat forum recently there was a long thread about a fellow driving from uk to malaga and back via various stop offs. His car did not have a spare wheel as standard. I read somewhere bmw decided the aveage puncture occurred every 93 k miles. He bought a fullsize spare and had two punctures in 4000 miles.
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #13 on: 13 January 2018, 19:49:06 »

Spare wheel in the XJ6 I used to have was a space saver.A full size spare would fit in but raised the boot floor height to do so.
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #14 on: 13 January 2018, 19:53:11 »

Spare wheel in the XJ6 I used to have was a space saver.A full size spare would fit in but raised the boot floor height to do so.
I reckon my XJ would take a full size front spare, rear might be a bit too much of a squeeze.
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #15 on: 13 January 2018, 20:03:44 »

Penalty of having different sizes front/rear I suppose.
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #16 on: 14 January 2018, 10:25:29 »

Always thought this idea of a spacesaver or no spare at all was a ridiculous idea , even when I had the Omega I purchased a matching alloy.
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« Reply #17 on: 14 January 2018, 10:57:02 »

Always thought this idea of a spacesaver or no spare at all was a ridiculous idea , even when I had the Omega I purchased a matching alloy.
It’s the EU again, innit? No spare wheel=better fuel economy. It’s a load of big, hairy bollix...but there you go.
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #18 on: 14 January 2018, 11:04:26 »

Always thought this idea of a spacesaver or no spare at all was a ridiculous idea , even when I had the Omega I purchased a matching alloy.
It’s the EU again, innit? No spare wheel=better fuel economy. It’s a load of big, hairy bollix...but there you go.

.....but don't worry because a can of foam will easily fix a blowout. ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
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« Reply #19 on: 14 January 2018, 11:10:29 »

Always thought this idea of a spacesaver or no spare at all was a ridiculous idea , even when I had the Omega I purchased a matching alloy.
It’s the EU again, innit? No spare wheel=better fuel economy. It’s a load of big, hairy bollix...but there you go.

.....but don't worry because a can of foam will easily fix a blowout. ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
We all know it won’t fix anything other than a pinhole, and that a lot of tyre places will then refuse to repair the tyre.
It’s actually a very good example of how dysfunctional the EU is. Taking stuff like fuel economy to such a level as to make it ridiculous. The manufacturers were all in favour because it saved them the cost of a spare wheel and tyre, and it improved their mpg and CO2 figures............by about 100 yards and a millionth of a gram respectively.
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #20 on: 14 January 2018, 11:12:45 »

Always thought this idea of a spacesaver or no spare at all was a ridiculous idea , even when I had the Omega I purchased a matching alloy.
It’s the EU again, innit? No spare wheel=better fuel economy. It’s a load of big, hairy bollix...but there you go.

.....but don't worry because a can of foam will easily fix a blowout. ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
We all know it won’t fix anything other than a pinhole, and that a lot of tyre places will then refuse to repair the tyre.
It’s actually a very good example of how dysfunctional the EU is. Taking stuff like fuel economy to such a level as to make it ridiculous. The manufacturers were all in favour because it saved them the cost of a spare wheel and tyre, and it improved their mpg and CO2 figures............by about 100 yards and a millionth of a gram respectively.

Yes.

My Omega had a full size spare as standard. The mighty Signum has a space saver as does both of the Indian cars I've owned. Although they were an optional extra on the Tata.

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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #21 on: 14 January 2018, 11:18:36 »

Personally I don't think anyone should have to pay extra for a spare. >:(
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« Reply #22 on: 14 January 2018, 11:23:19 »

I went and bought a two tonne trolley jack yesterday (it lifts two tonne, it doesn’t weigh two tonne for clarity  :)), so that lives in my car as well as my space saver and all my dog’s paraphernalia. Surely the plonkers that be must realise that ordinary people don’t really give a toss about such things.
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #23 on: 14 January 2018, 11:27:47 »

I went and bought a two tonne trolley jack yesterday (it lifts two tonne, it doesn’t weigh two tonne for clarity  :)), so that lives in my car as well as my space saver and all my dog’s paraphernalia. Surely the plonkers that be must realise that ordinary people don’t really give a toss about such things.

Imagine if the car in question is owned by an obese lard-arsed burger-munching American.

The extra weight of a spare wheel would be insignificant :)
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #24 on: 14 January 2018, 11:35:51 »

The only people I'd imagine who are happy about demise of the spare wheel I'd imagine are companies like the AA and RAC, who I believe now have dedicated tyre vans.
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #25 on: 14 January 2018, 11:46:52 »

I went and bought a two tonne trolley jack yesterday (it lifts two tonne, it doesn’t weigh two tonne for clarity  :)), so that lives in my car as well as my space saver and all my dog’s paraphernalia. Surely the plonkers that be must realise that ordinary people don’t really give a toss about such things.

Imagine if the car in question is owned by an obese lard-arsed burger-munching American.

The extra weight of a spare wheel would be insignificant :)
America isn’t yet burdened by EU regulations.
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #26 on: 14 January 2018, 11:56:02 »

I went and bought a two tonne trolley jack yesterday (it lifts two tonne, it doesn’t weigh two tonne for clarity  :)), so that lives in my car as well as my space saver and all my dog’s paraphernalia. Surely the plonkers that be must realise that ordinary people don’t really give a toss about such things.

Imagine if the car in question is owned by an obese lard-arsed burger-munching American.

The extra weight of a spare wheel would be insignificant :)
America isn’t yet burdened by EU regulations.

......in that case think of the extra weight TB would add to his Jaaaaaaaaaag. :)
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« Reply #27 on: 14 January 2018, 12:06:48 »

I went and bought a two tonne trolley jack yesterday (it lifts two tonne, it doesn’t weigh two tonne for clarity  :)), so that lives in my car as well as my space saver and all my dog’s paraphernalia. Surely the plonkers that be must realise that ordinary people don’t really give a toss about such things.

Imagine if the car in question is owned by an obese lard-arsed burger-munching American.

The extra weight of a spare wheel would be insignificant :)
America isn’t yet burdened by EU regulations.

......in that case think of the extra weight TB would add to his Jaaaaaaaaaag. :)
I hooked you right into that  ;D
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #28 on: 14 January 2018, 20:01:20 »

Learn something new every day :y

Its a stupid, wanky idea though.

No, not a bad idea really.  Not only for space saving reasons, but I'm sure people get the full sized tyre fixed quicker to avoid going round on the space saver for too long.  ;)

Before the days of space savers, I wonder how many people had a punctured tyre in the boot that they hadn't got round to fixing.  ::)

If you've a boot full of luggage before the puncture,where does the beastly flat full size wheel live after the spare is fitted >:( ::)
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« Reply #29 on: 14 January 2018, 20:08:06 »

Learn something new every day :y

Its a stupid, wanky idea though.

No, not a bad idea really.  Not only for space saving reasons, but I'm sure people get the full sized tyre fixed quicker to avoid going round on the space saver for too long.  ;)

Before the days of space savers, I wonder how many people had a punctured tyre in the boot that they hadn't got round to fixing.  ::)

If you've a boot full of luggage before the puncture,where does the beastly flat full size wheel live after the spare is fitted >:( ::)
That’s when the Mrs finds out how much you really love her.  ;D
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #30 on: 14 January 2018, 21:47:25 »

I went and bought a two tonne trolley jack yesterday (it lifts two tonne, it doesn’t weigh two tonne for clarity  :)), so that lives in my car as well as my space saver and all my dog’s paraphernalia. Surely the plonkers that be must realise that ordinary people don’t really give a toss about such things.

I thought that was a good idea  :y I`ve jusy weighed my Halfords low profile jack & it`s 14.5 kg. The socket set & tool bag adds another 20kg I thru the jack russel on the scales for good measure too. So including the fool size spare & the roof bars (stiil attached up top cos I`ve lost the single key) we are now getting some reasonable traction  :y
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #31 on: 15 January 2018, 18:26:54 »

Always thought this idea of a spacesaver or no spare at all was a ridiculous idea , even when I had the Omega I purchased a matching alloy.
It’s the EU again, innit? No spare wheel=better fuel economy. It’s a load of big, hairy bollix...but there you go.

.....but don't worry because a can of foam will easily fix a blowout. ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
We all know it won’t fix anything other than a pinhole, and that a lot of tyre places will then refuse to repair the tyre.
It’s actually a very good example of how dysfunctional the EU is. Taking stuff like fuel economy to such a level as to make it ridiculous. The manufacturers were all in favour because it saved them the cost of a spare wheel and tyre, and it improved their mpg and CO2 figures............by about 100 yards and a millionth of a gram respectively.

The EU is not dysfunctional at all, it worked as intended. The EU job is jobs for the political and commission boys and girls and looking after them with very high salaries, special tax rates, special subsidized (Soviet style) shops for their exclusive use and generous pensions and expenses. Now the politicians obviously need pampering that much more than ordinary commission officials as they are even more important and this is done through special meetings and conferences at 5* hotels and conference centres with lavish banquets, but these only happen once in a while. So for day-to-day pampering and regular working holidays trade conferences you need corporate lobbying the biggest and most expensive game in Brussels. So the EU Car Makers Space Savers Working Group employ a lobbying company to wine and dine key officials and brief them on the energy and weight savings and reduced plant foot generation advantages of space saving wheels or a can of goo. This gets them closer to the numbers they need to get this regulation introduced by the commission and passed in the EU Parliament, but the vote looks close at the end of January, so the EU Car Makers Space Savers Working Group organise a week long conference at the beginning of January at a 5/6* star hotel somewhere like Dubai, Caribbean or even Australia so you fully understand the advantages of space saving wheels or no spare wheel and as a result more see the clear advantages to EU consumers car makers of a space saver wheel or a tin of puncture repair goo. This is how the corporate/oligarchy EU commission capture system works and it does work very well.

So why would the car companies go to all this trouble of spending say €2m on funding the EU Car Makers Space Savers Working Group. There are 18.4m cars produced in the EU every year. Now lets say it costs €21 for the average full size wheel and tyre, €11 for a pressed tin, small tyre space saver wheel or €1 for a tin of goo. All manufacturers can save between €10-20 by going the space saver or goo route which is a collective extra profit of €184-368m profit EVERY YEAR. What is there not to like, the EU Commission are looked after and the car makers boost their profits. 8) 8) 8)

What about the 500m plebs citizens that make up the EU, well they will continue paying their taxes, they will continue buying new cars they have no choice and if the space saver means crawling home or not getting home where the goo doen't work it's not as if you can be a threat to the EU their pseudo-democracy makes sure of that. 8) 8) 8)

The only thing has put a spanner in the EU works is Brexit and although they have been trying through many avenues to force a second referendum and also constantly undermine the UK's negotiating position in the exit talks, so far they have failed on both. :y :y :y
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Re: Mokka spare wheel well too small diameter to accommodate spare wheel
« Reply #32 on: 15 January 2018, 18:33:18 »

Learn something new every day :y

Its a stupid, wanky idea though.

No, not a bad idea really.  Not only for space saving reasons, but I'm sure people get the full sized tyre fixed quicker to avoid going round on the space saver for too long.  ;)

Before the days of space savers, I wonder how many people had a punctured tyre in the boot that they hadn't got round to fixing.  ::)

If you've a boot full of luggage before the puncture,where does the beastly flat full size wheel live after the spare is fitted >:( ::)


The same place it does when you use a spacesaver on a TT convertible, 911, big wheeled Beetle, Megane estate and many others: on the passenger's lap.



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