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« on: 13 April 2014, 18:06:49 »

Would it be suitable for caliper use?

Need one to accept an M10x 1.5 banjo bolt. How would I select a suitable one?

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« Reply #1 on: 13 April 2014, 20:01:10 »

Looking at the picture, if you pop the piston out,that might give you acces to the hole and then you could run a tap thro from the back,thus restoring the thread,use lots of grease,when cutting the thread.
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« Reply #2 on: 13 April 2014, 20:04:59 »

That pic was taken post tapping, basically the thread on hollow bolt is only about 3mm longer than the depth of the stripped portion when fitted with the brake hose, so with the chamfer on it, it doesn't really get a grip, and so won't tighten :-\
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Re: Helicoil Q
« Reply #3 on: 13 April 2014, 20:09:31 »

You can buy longer banjo bolts.
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« Reply #4 on: 13 April 2014, 20:11:59 »

You can buy longer banjo bolts.
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Re: Helicoil Q
« Reply #5 on: 13 April 2014, 20:19:30 »

Mmmm. Always hated alloy calipers for the reason you have found,

other way is clean the banjo bolt up,lots of grease and slowly thread it in, 1 turn up then half a turn back,might work. You will be using the bolt as the tap,thread cleaner.
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« Reply #6 on: 13 April 2014, 20:25:42 »

Trouble is that first 6mm is now M10.5+... the bolt is barely an interference fit for the first 7mm. Put another way, once screwed in, you can pull it out with minimal jiggling :-\

A bolt another half inch longer with threadlock should be deep and stable enough to remain leak free and secure...

In defence of the aluminium cheese, considering that they're twice the size of the standard Omega caliper, they weigh about the same 8)
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Re: Helicoil Q
« Reply #7 on: 13 April 2014, 20:28:24 »

We use Time-Serts or similar in Aluminium at work but that would mean going over-size. We use finished size of M8 otherwise I would have grabbed a couple for you. You'd really need the insert tool as well but you can put some types in with a flat blade screwdriver.  :-\
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« Reply #8 on: 13 April 2014, 20:32:14 »

We use Time-Serts or similar in Aluminium at work but that would mean going over-size. We use finished size of M8 otherwise I would have grabbed a couple for you. You'd really need the insert tool as well but you can put some types in with a flat blade screwdriver.  :-\
Would they be fluid tight :-\
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« Reply #9 on: 13 April 2014, 20:44:51 »

We use Time-Serts or similar in Aluminium at work but that would mean going over-size. We use finished size of M8 otherwise I would have grabbed a couple for you. You'd really need the insert tool as well but you can put some types in with a flat blade screwdriver.  :-\
Would they be fluid tight :-\

Fair point.  :-\
Could be an issue if they seal on a taper.  :-\ Tightness wouldn't be an issue but some types have a shoulder and some are continuous. Is it the feed pipe inlet that you've stripped?

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Ah, just looked at pics and it sits on a shoulder so the seal is on the shoulder. That would involve slight counter-bore for shoulder type insert or a 'continuous' would keep going until it bottomed out. Any fluid back-tracking up the thread should still not be able to pass the seal.

Just a suggestion Al but best to double check, as per your post, as I've not used them where fluids are concerned.  :y



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Re: Helicoil Q
« Reply #10 on: 13 April 2014, 21:27:02 »

Would it be suitable for caliper use?

Need one to accept an M10x 1.5 banjo bolt. How would I select a suitable one?

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Shouldn't that be M10 x 1.25?

I don't like timeserts because they can come loose.

I would try Helicoil/Recoil first. Timesert requires a larger tapping size drill (so keep as a last resort)
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« Reply #11 on: 13 April 2014, 21:31:32 »

Thanks for that :y will try the longer bolts first and go from there...

Andy H, measured at 1.5 using the gauge supplied with the tap/die set :y
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« Reply #12 on: 13 April 2014, 21:37:33 »

I presume the caliper isn't easily replaceable? I doubt that a Helicoil or any of the similar products will work for a hydraulic fitting, and you don't want a suspect thread thread there.

A proper repair would be to bore and tap a much bigger hole, and insert a machined plug into it to replicate the original fitting. That is not a cheap solution unless you know a decent machinist. I'd risk it on my own stuff, but wouldn't on anyone elses. A friend reckoned that doing a similar job on his dad's Lamborghini calipers paid for the cost of the milling machine.
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Re: Helicoil Q
« Reply #13 on: 13 April 2014, 22:08:03 »

Would it be suitable for caliper use?

Need one to accept an M10x 1.5 banjo bolt. How would I select a suitable one?

Ever so slightly miffed of Sussex...
Shouldn't that be M10 x 1.25?

I don't like timeserts because they can come loose.

I would try Helicoil/Recoil first. Timesert requires a larger tapping size drill (so keep as a last resort)

and a helicoil doesn't  ??? ??? ??? ??? Use a thread lock on a timesert & it's unlikely to come loose  ;)
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Re: Helicoil Q
« Reply #14 on: 13 April 2014, 22:10:09 »

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I don't like timeserts because they can come loose.

I would try Helicoil/Recoil first. Timesert requires a larger tapping size drill (so keep as a last resort)

We have to use Time Sert or similar as they are for fixture bolts which are tightened and removed daily. Helicoils simply couldn't hack the torque we were throwing at them on a daily basis. Just my opinion but we found Helicoil more suited to one-off fix, but we need a replacement thread so we use the inserts.  :y
Horses for courses I suppose.  :y
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