Topic: Parking Ticket (Read 6698 times)

Mr Gav · « **on:** 25 August 2016, 21:13:23 »

I parked my car in a street near to work yesterday and came back to find a parking ticket on it, now at first glance it looks like a proper parking ticket but once I opened it I quickly realised it was from a private firm.

Here`s where I parked my car, it was where the black one is now ( I took this this morning)

Here`s the ticket, note the ticked box, parked without a valid permit.

There are absolutely no signs at all saying it is private land or any parking restrictions and nothing on the road sign to indicate that it is a private road, there is only one sign and it is this one about cctv

I know this type of thing has been covered on here before so what is the best course of action, ignore it or take the fight to them?

TIA

STEMO · « **Reply #1 on:** 25 August 2016, 21:48:21 »

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/advanced-search.php?q=Parking%20ticket&searchtype=guides

Mr Gav · « **Reply #2 on:** 25 August 2016, 22:11:46 »

Cheers Stemo

X30XE · « **Reply #3 on:** 25 August 2016, 22:21:19 »

As long as it's not a controlled zone just ignore it. Or ring them up and tell them to chew the bark of your big fat log just for the hell of it.

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #4 on:** 25 August 2016, 22:35:47 »

Doesn't look like a council ticket, no lines on the road or signage on the lamp posts so write to them and tell them "kiss my chuddies" then ignore any further comms. Take plenty of photos showing the lack of parking signs just in case they take it further, or they slap some signs up quick.

Lazydocker · « **Reply #5 on:** 25 August 2016, 22:37:50 »

Not that I'm suggesting paying it, but what's the sign clearly visible on the building in picture 1?

X30XE · « **Reply #6 on:** 25 August 2016, 22:40:35 »

Quote from: Kevin Wood on 25 August 2016, 22:35:47

Doesn't look like a council ticket, no lines on the road or signage on the lamp posts so write to them and tell them "kiss my chuddies" then ignore any further comms. Take plenty of photos showing the lack of parking signs just in case they take it further, or they slap some signs up quick.

I thought that, but in this age of digital photography and photoshop one would have to assume that this is inadmissable in court anyway, and thus a fruitless exercise? $:-\$

amba · « **Reply #7 on:** 25 August 2016, 22:47:29 »

Best advise is to ignore it.

UKPC have had similar scams brought to task before by their clowns placing tickets with times etc adjusted.They will need to obtain driver details from DVLC at a cost so suspect if you dont fold within the next 14 days and pay they will just give up.

If further correspondence should appear from them please post up again and further help will be given.

Mr Gav · « **Reply #8 on:** 25 August 2016, 22:55:03 »

Quote from: Kevin Wood on 25 August 2016, 22:35:47

Doesn't look like a council ticket, no lines on the road or signage on the lamp posts so write to them and tell them "kiss my chuddies" then ignore any further comms. Take plenty of photos showing the lack of parking signs just in case they take it further, or they slap some signs up quick.

I`ve got plenty of photos of all around just for evidence, I might even use the works camera tomorrow as it stamps the date and time and it can`t be tampered with

Quote from: Lazydocker on 25 August 2016, 22:37:50

Not that I'm suggesting paying it, but what's the sign clearly visible on the building in picture 1?

That sign is just for flat numbers to the left, there is also another one showing flat numbers to the right

Cheers for the help guys

78bex · « **Reply #9 on:** 26 August 2016, 01:18:08 »

A bit anal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr7Lgs9lQK0

omegod · « **Reply #10 on:** 26 August 2016, 07:18:50 »

Ignore it but be prepared for an avalanche of threatening letters from debt companies and fake solicitors which would scare the shit out of someone with a weak disposition, they'll give up in the end

Mr Gav · « **Reply #11 on:** 26 September 2016, 23:02:05 »

And so the fun begins

I got the letter below today...note the bit I underlined about clear signage in and around the site.

What I didn`t see on the original ticket was the appeals bit and now on the back of this letter there is another section about appeals, mainly saying that my 30 days is up and the ability to appeal is no longer available , although it does go on to state that if I consider there are exceptional circumstances why i should be allowed to appeal outside this period then I should write to them and if it is rejected then I can still use the Independent Appeals Service.

I may write to them and see where it goes but as the photos show there isn`t one sign anywhere to be seen.

YZ250 · « **Reply #12 on:** 27 September 2016, 00:50:35 »

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'Until a few weeks ago, there was no sign pre-warning motorists about the charge – a breach of the British Parking Association Code of Conduct'.

You could try reporting them to BPA as it would appear that UKCPS make a habit of doing this kind of thing.

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Several have taken photographs showing that there was no sign when they parked. Some, including workman Graham Jarrett and land lord Surjit Singh, have refused to pay the charge.Mr Singh said that the charge is not enforceable without clear signage.

As above comment.

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BPA is now investigating member UKCPS, after Consumerwatch pointed this out on behalf of the disgruntled drivers. The BPA was also concerned to learn that the firm's policy demands that motorists pay its parking notice charge in full before an appeal can be considered.A BPA spokeswoman urged motorists to get in touch with evidence backing up the claims.

As above comment.

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UKCPS manager Jim Whitehead said that the company has been the victim of "entrapment."

Yeh right.

The above quotes are regarding UKCPS in Leeds. It may be better to contact BPA first with your evidence to see what they say before replying to UKCPS. $:-\$

Mr Gav · « **Reply #13 on:** 27 September 2016, 07:53:41 »

Thank you YZ250, that's probably the best course of action

BTW where did you find the info, not had time to do any digging around last night.

YZ250 · « **Reply #14 on:** 27 September 2016, 09:13:13 »

Quote from: Mr Gav on 27 September 2016, 07:53:41

Thank you YZ250, that's probably the best course of action

BTW where did you find the info, not had time to do any digging around last night.

The article was with regard to a street in Leeds and I quoted it due to the similarities.

I googled 'UKCPS managing director' as I was going to suggest putting his name and address as the driver on the day of the alleged offence.

I then came across plenty of complaints of a similar nature to what has happened to you.

The article that I quoted was an old article from the Yorkshire Evening Post, which proves to BPA that UKCPS have still not changed their ways since being warned about it.

I see on UKCPS website that they warn against believing sites such as PepiPoo, stating that they will pursue their claim, which does come across as a bit of desperate intimidation.

Might be worth a punt with BPA, using your photos as evidence to show that UKCPS are still breaking this alleged code of conduct.
Hope you get it sorted.

LC0112G · « **Reply #15 on:** 28 September 2016, 14:19:05 »

Stemo pointed you to the correct advice - and you either didn't read it, or ignored it. Instead you took the incorrect advice of several others here and ignored the ticket and now you're half way to being shafted.

FFS - read and understand the MoneysavingExpert (or Pepipoo) advice, and open a post/case there.

If you've now missed the appeals deadline you have lost your trump card at defeating this. If you continue with your current gung-ho attitude you may as well pay up now because you WILL lose the case later at MUCH higher costs. Evidence doesn't matter much in these cases - it's decided under civil rules - balance of probability, and you end up having to prove you are innocent, not them prove you were guilty.

DO NOT contact ANYONE except MSE/Pepipoo until you know what you're doing. If you end up 'accidentally' admitting you were the driver you'll make your task even more difficult than it is at the moment.

Mr Gav · « **Reply #16 on:** 22 October 2016, 16:09:56 »

Just and update, thread on pepipoo

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=109130&st=0

Gaffers · « **Reply #17 on:** 23 October 2016, 02:52:39 »

To add to that thread.

If it is deemed that they were operating on council land illegally then you could also argue that they have had unauthorised access to your personal information as they knowingly did not have legitimate grounds to have access to it in the first place (giving further clout to another ban on access, hopefully indefinitely this time) This is in breach of your right to a private life which is enshrined in the EHRC and mutually supported by the DPA. You could possibly bring a complaint against the DVLA as well, as they disclosed the information without the necessary proof of legitimate grounds for access. I would certainly ask them for proof of the steps they took to ascertain that there were reasonable grounds for disclosure (check the DVLA site for details on what that entails)

IMO the DVLA operates very close to the wind on the DPA and when the GDPR comes in it will be very interesting to see how it changes it's modus operandi WRT 3rd party access to our personal information.

driver115 · « **Reply #18 on:** 23 October 2016, 15:07:26 »

Should you decide to write to them (based on what you say and have/photo evidence , there is no case, no claim so no need to write, just ignore), then add a confirmation that you are charging them £25 to cover your time and expense of notifying them to drop their illicit claim , and that you have no intention of paying, and should they continue to write/threaten you, then you will charge them an additional £25 henceforward for each and every one of your written replies.This should do the trick. I never return telephone calls from such people , as they are usually a waste of your time/money . One letter detailing your charges is more effective , they will no doubt decide to pick on some other unfortunate instead.

I have used this technique with various people and agencies over the years, and also last month with my previous broadband provider who thought they could charge me £75 broadband retrospective equipment charges - they have now dropped that claim, have also given me a refund of advance rental charges, and I am awaiting £75 costs from them for the time/3 letters I wrote making them aware of their illicit and erroneous claims for payment.

My wife says that as a pensioner I have too much time on my hands, that may be so but a person who works for free is always in work, and should you not place a value on your time, then generally nobody else will

Mr Gav · « **Reply #19 on:** 23 October 2016, 17:22:22 »

I am currently waiting for a reply for a request to appeal, when I get my reply for that is when I decide what route to go down with them, meanwhile I`ll be e-mailing the guy from Your City Council to make him aware that UKCPS are issuing tickets on a public highway.

The only thing I don`t have for my benefit is a photo of where the car was, and this is what will hinder me if I want to take the fight to them.

Shackeng · « **Reply #20 on:** 23 October 2016, 18:46:56 »

Quote from: Mr Gav on 23 October 2016, 17:22:22

I am currently waiting for a reply for a request to appeal, when I get my reply for that is when I decide what route to go down with them, meanwhile I`ll be e-mailing the guy from Your City Council to make him aware that UKCPS are issuing tickets on a public highway.

The only thing I don`t have for my benefit is a photo of where the car was, and this is what will hinder me if I want to take the fight to them.

But they will! So ask for a copy.

Mr Gav · « **Reply #21 on:** 23 October 2016, 19:23:43 »

Quote from: Shackeng on 23 October 2016, 18:46:56

Quote from: Mr Gav on 23 October 2016, 17:22:22
I am currently waiting for a reply for a request to appeal, when I get my reply for that is when I decide what route to go down with them, meanwhile I`ll be e-mailing the guy from Your City Council to make him aware that UKCPS are issuing tickets on a public highway.

The only thing I don`t have for my benefit is a photo of where the car was, and this is what will hinder me if I want to take the fight to them.

But they will! So ask for a copy.

I already have done

But as my car wasn`t on their private area I`d be surprised if they`re stupid enough to send my a photo of my car on a public highway, but we shall see

Terbs · « **Reply #22 on:** 24 October 2016, 15:23:11 »

Basically, if they don't send a picture....its your word against theirs. So, it depends who believes who in a court

If a picture is later provided to a court, which shows your car on the public highway, the case is lost for them (plus all the other problems they will incur through illegal activity).

They can't prove it, you can't disprove it. Car was not clamped, or removed. Its not like an ANPR Car Park, where there is photographic evidence.

Gaffers · « **Reply #23 on:** 24 October 2016, 15:35:27 »

Quote from: LC0112G on 28 September 2016, 14:19:05

Stemo pointed you to the correct advice - and you either didn't read it, or ignored it. Instead you took the incorrect advice of several others here and ignored the ticket and now you're half way to being shafted.

FFS - read and understand the MoneysavingExpert (or Pepipoo) advice, and open a post/case there.

If you've now missed the appeals deadline you have lost your trump card at defeating this. If you continue with your current gung-ho attitude you may as well pay up now because you WILL lose the case later at MUCH higher costs. Evidence doesn't matter much in these cases - it's decided under civil rules - balance of probability, and you end up having to prove you are innocent, not them prove you were guilty.

DO NOT contact ANYONE except MSE/Pepipoo until you know what you're doing. If you end up 'accidentally' admitting you were the driver you'll make your task even more difficult than it is at the moment.

Bit harsh....

Mr Gav · « **Reply #24 on:** 24 October 2016, 20:30:27 »

Quote from: terbert on 24 October 2016, 15:23:11

Basically, if they don't send a picture....its your word against theirs. So, it depends who believes who in a court If a picture is later provided to a court, which shows your car on the public highway, the case is lost for them (plus all the other problems they will incur through illegal activity).

They can't prove it, you can't disprove it. Car was not clamped, or removed. Its not like an ANPR Car Park, where there is photographic evidence.

Yeah I shot myself in the foot not getting a photo but I wasn`t in the frame of mind at the time, just have to wait and see what their next move is, fingers crossed they send a photo

Quote from: Guffer on 24 October 2016, 15:35:27

Quote from: LC0112G on 28 September 2016, 14:19:05
Stemo pointed you to the correct advice - and you either didn't read it, or ignored it. Instead you took the incorrect advice of several others here and ignored the ticket and now you're half way to being shafted.

FFS - read and understand the MoneysavingExpert (or Pepipoo) advice, and open a post/case there.

If you've now missed the appeals deadline you have lost your trump card at defeating this. If you continue with your current gung-ho attitude you may as well pay up now because you WILL lose the case later at MUCH higher costs. Evidence doesn't matter much in these cases - it's decided under civil rules - balance of probability, and you end up having to prove you are innocent, not them prove you were guilty.

DO NOT contact ANYONE except MSE/Pepipoo until you know what you're doing. If you end up 'accidentally' admitting you were the driver you'll make your task even more difficult than it is at the moment.

Bit harsh....

I thought that too

LC0112G · « **Reply #25 on:** 24 October 2016, 20:58:05 »

Harsh maybe, but it appears to have got you to 'do the right thing'.

The advice on motoring/parking 'issues' available on Pepipoo or MSE is much more reliable than the majority of suggestions on here. People saying others should ignore parking tickets get on my t1ts.

Mr Gav · « **Reply #26 on:** 23 November 2016, 20:50:19 »

Another update, UKCPS were stupid enough to send me some evidence of my car ticketed on publicly maintained land, and some great help from York City Council who have actually contacted UKCPS where I was parked was out of their boundaries.

My last e-mail from YCC said UKCPS were going to confirm in writing that the charge has been dropped but I`ve not had anything yet, but now the boot may be on the other foot.

It seems that by getting my details from the DVLA when they had no right to do so is seen as misuse of personal data and according to one of the guys on Pepipoo misuse of personal data is a tort as confirmed in a couple of court cases and he suggests I should actually instigate a claim against them for the sum of £750 as this is seen as a reasonable amount for the misuse of personal data, stress and harassment.

Has anyone got any good information on going down this route?

I will also be sending e-mails to the DVLA, trading standards and the local paper just to help add a bit more hassle to UKCPS.

Sir Tigger KC · « **Reply #27 on:** 23 November 2016, 21:15:30 »

Nice! Stick it to 'em, the bastards!

STEMO · « **Reply #28 on:** 23 November 2016, 22:09:45 »

Love it Gav

Please keep us up to date

Andy B · « **Reply #29 on:** 23 November 2016, 22:31:05 »

Well done Gav

2boxerdogs · « **Reply #30 on:** 24 November 2016, 14:13:37 »

Had one in a Lidl car park in Sussex a couple of years back just ignored it never heard a thing , can't remember the name of the parking outfit ,all scare tactics I reckon.Good luck with yours hope you get a few quid of these morons.

Doctor Gollum · « **Reply #31 on:** 24 November 2016, 14:30:31 »

Quote from: Tilbo on 24 November 2016, 14:13:37

Had one in a Lidl car park in Sussex a couple of years back just ignored it never heard a thing , can't remember the name of the parking outfit ,all scare tactics I reckon.Good luck with yours hope you get a few quid of these morons.

This is now out of date and inappropriate advice as the legal position changed.

Mr Gavs approach is the correct one, hence the positive outcome.

2boxerdogs · « **Reply #32 on:** 24 November 2016, 15:48:41 »

Not giving advice , just telling my experience.

jonathanh · « **Reply #33 on:** 24 November 2016, 19:11:08 »

this link might be interesting to make a claim

https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/compensation/

essentially I think you need to assess your financial loss ( time, cost etc) write to the company and demand it, chase it , chase it and explain it will go to court if there is no response then issue court papers...

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