Topic: Tomorrow's my birthday..... (Read 4789 times)

Webby the Bear · « **on:** 25 October 2016, 20:08:17 »

...... and I have some interesting car bits on order

Nice stubby spanner set and a few more tool items I've forgotten about.

The most interesting though.....

An oil analysis kit from me ma and pa (well, I will have to physically buy it myself

)

Anyway I've wanted one for ages. I remember a discussion in my 0-60 thread where a few of us thought that a 16 year old omega could have power sapping engine wear. Others thought that they wouldn't have wear at all assuming regular oil changes adhered to.

Compression tests so far seem to show there's no compression loss. However doing my cam cover gaskets in the garage one of the lads commented that my cams were f****d

. That was a bit excessive in my opinion but they were definitely scored and lobes seem to have wear.

No idea what the results will be. Will post up results when I get the report. Can't wait

Nick W · « **Reply #1 on:** 25 October 2016, 20:17:24 »

Are you cutting open the filter and examining what you(don't) find inside? How many tests will your kit provide, as you need a few to get a picture of what's happening to the oil.

I bet you find that if your changing the oil within the interval, there's absolutely nothing to worry about.

Field Marshal Dr. Opti · « **Reply #2 on:** 25 October 2016, 20:19:07 »

Happy 40th birthday for tomorrow, Mr Bear.

Webby the Bear · « **Reply #3 on:** 25 October 2016, 20:22:41 »

No mate. Dropping the oil and sending a sample to the oil lab! For around 40 notes they test the sample and find microscopic particles of various metals. They then give a breakdown of what the particles have likely come from and thus a good wear-barometer.

As said I don't know what they'll find. That's the fun

Webby the Bear · « **Reply #4 on:** 25 October 2016, 20:23:13 »

I'll be 34 opti

but thanks!

Webby the Bear · « **Reply #5 on:** 25 October 2016, 20:39:14 »

Just to add...

My intrigue has always been my engine in comparison with a box fresh omega engine. My own personal feeling is that even minute wear in engine components like cams, lifters, bearings etc add up to a drop in performance over all those years.

That being why some people reckon cars lose approx 5 horses a year.

Entwood · « **Reply #6 on:** 25 October 2016, 20:41:36 »

Quote from: Webby the Bear on 25 October 2016, 20:22:41

No mate. Dropping the oil and sending a sample to the oil lab! For around 40 notes they test the sample and find microscopic particles of various metals. They then give a breakdown of what the particles have likely come from and thus a good wear-barometer.

As said I don't know what they'll find. That's the fun

ahh .. the good old SOAP tests .. takes me back a few years collecting samples for those, eventually the RAF stopped ~~wasting~~ spending money on them because they proved nothing, if oil changes done on time..

http://www.spectro.in/Spectrometric-Oil-Analysis.html

Webby the Bear · « **Reply #7 on:** 25 October 2016, 21:02:23 »

Yeah that's pretty much the tests that'll be done.

biggriffin · « **Reply #8 on:** 25 October 2016, 21:07:55 »

They tried, selling these around the road haulage industry few years back, they were, being offered by shell and BP, the big boys like Tesco and bower(McDonalds) tried it, The out come, changed to fully synthetic and extended service intervals, oil was found to being under-used and could still carry on for more km's.

Webby the Bear · « **Reply #9 on:** 25 October 2016, 21:13:36 »

Quote from: Entwood on 25 October 2016, 20:41:36

Quote from: Webby the Bear on 25 October 2016, 20:22:41
No mate. Dropping the oil and sending a sample to the oil lab! For around 40 notes they test the sample and find microscopic particles of various metals. They then give a breakdown of what the particles have likely come from and thus a good wear-barometer.

As said I don't know what they'll find. That's the fun

ahh .. the good old SOAP tests .. takes me back a few years collecting samples for those, eventually the RAF stopped ~~wasting~~ spending money on them because they proved nothing, if oil changes done on time..

http://www.spectro.in/Spectrometric-Oil-Analysis.html

I think I can understand what you mean.....

To get a true gauge of wear you'd have to check the oil from day one to 16 years later for example. However if that was the case the engine would be worn cos the oil hadn't been changed.

I suppose on the other hand though, it will be interesting to see if there's any wear metals in the oil

Entwood · « **Reply #10 on:** 25 October 2016, 21:36:12 »

Quote from: Webby the Bear on 25 October 2016, 21:13:36

Quote from: Entwood on 25 October 2016, 20:41:36
Quote from: Webby the Bear on 25 October 2016, 20:22:41
No mate. Dropping the oil and sending a sample to the oil lab! For around 40 notes they test the sample and find microscopic particles of various metals. They then give a breakdown of what the particles have likely come from and thus a good wear-barometer.

As said I don't know what they'll find. That's the fun

ahh .. the good old SOAP tests .. takes me back a few years collecting samples for those, eventually the RAF stopped ~~wasting~~ spending money on them because they proved nothing, if oil changes done on time..

http://www.spectro.in/Spectrometric-Oil-Analysis.html

I think I can understand what you mean.....

To get a true gauge of wear you'd have to check the oil from day one to 16 years later for example. However if that was the case the engine would be worn cos the oil hadn't been changed.

I suppose on the other hand though, it will be interesting to see if there's any wear metals in the oil

Oil in aircraft engines is changed very frequently .. measured in flight hours not miles travelled. We used to have to take SOAP samples every 50 hours and change the magnetic chip detectors - 3 per engine - (basically a bolt with a magnet on the end that screwed into an oilway), place them in protective cardboard sleeves along with the little bottle of oil and return them to base at the end of a trip. On a Far East rotation we might fly some 250 hours, so we'd get back with a whole pile of boxes to be sent away for analysis, by the time the results came back the oil had all been changed anyway !!

Webby the Bear · « **Reply #11 on:** 26 October 2016, 07:41:40 »

Right got ya nige. But at least it would show abnormal wear though right? Thus a good indication of what part was likely needing replacement (albeit that safety being more paramount 50k feet up lol

Sir Tigger KC · « **Reply #12 on:** 26 October 2016, 08:58:53 »

Happy Birthday Webby!

Diamond Black Geezer · « **Reply #13 on:** 26 October 2016, 09:46:45 »

Happy Birthday! Also fascinating to read about the more servicing methods of the RAF, Entwood

EMD · « **Reply #14 on:** 26 October 2016, 10:15:54 »

Happy birthday mr web . Welcome to the over 50s club

TheBoy · « **Reply #15 on:** 26 October 2016, 17:59:02 »

One step nearer to Saga admission....

Shackeng · « **Reply #16 on:** 26 October 2016, 18:00:30 »

Quote from: Entwood on 25 October 2016, 20:41:36

Quote from: Webby the Bear on 25 October 2016, 20:22:41
No mate. Dropping the oil and sending a sample to the oil lab! For around 40 notes they test the sample and find microscopic particles of various metals. They then give a breakdown of what the particles have likely come from and thus a good wear-barometer.

As said I don't know what they'll find. That's the fun

ahh .. the good old SOAP tests .. takes me back a few years collecting samples for those, eventually the RAF stopped ~~wasting~~ spending money on them because they proved nothing, if oil changes done on time..

http://www.spectro.in/Spectrometric-Oil-Analysis.html

We were still doing it on Tristars in the early '90's, but I suspect it has been superseded by modern technology.

Nick W · « **Reply #17 on:** 26 October 2016, 18:18:32 »

Quote from: Shackeng on 26 October 2016, 18:00:30

Quote from: Entwood on 25 October 2016, 20:41:36

ahh .. the good old SOAP tests .. takes me back a few years collecting samples for those, eventually the RAF stopped ~~wasting~~ spending money on them because they proved nothing, if oil changes done on time..

http://www.spectro.in/Spectrometric-Oil-Analysis.html

We were still doing it on Tristars in the early '90's, but I suspect it has been superseded by modern technology.

We sent one off this week for some '30s American thing.

BazaJT · « **Reply #18 on:** 26 October 2016, 19:22:41 »

Happy birthday Mr Bear

'twas my 63rd last Saturday-got no prezzies though

aaronjb · « **Reply #19 on:** 27 October 2016, 09:09:53 »

Quote from: Nick W on 26 October 2016, 18:18:32

We sent one off this week for some '30s American thing.

Now that's a classic car.. assuming you meant car not aircraft. Which begs a question I've meant to ask for ages - what do you do for a living, Nick?

Nick W · « **Reply #20 on:** 27 October 2016, 18:07:52 »

Quote from: aaronjb on 27 October 2016, 09:09:53

Quote from: Nick W on 26 October 2016, 18:18:32
We sent one off this week for some '30s American thing.

Now that's a classic car.. assuming you meant car not aircraft. Which begs a question I've meant to ask for ages - what do you do for a living, Nick?

Nope, an aircraft that was in for an annual inspection.

What do I do? Nothing since October '15 because 12years of vehicle recovery was making me ill. For the last 3 weeks I've been helping out where a friend works on light aircraft. I've been reassembling an acrobatic monoplane this week, which is a case of in at the deepend. Me, not the plane that is

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #21 on:** 27 October 2016, 21:36:19 »

Its my birthday tomorrow. If someone gives me something to test oil with, I shall shove it up their arse.

dbug · « **Reply #22 on:** 28 October 2016, 01:33:45 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 27 October 2016, 21:36:19

Its my birthday tomorrow. If someone gives me something to test oil with, I shall shove it up their arse.

Happy birthday Albs

Webby the Bear · « **Reply #23 on:** 28 October 2016, 05:50:12 »

Thanks for the birthday wishes. Well that's that done for another year. Thank god.

Spireite · « **Reply #24 on:** 28 October 2016, 10:58:07 »

I'd of spent £40 on a few pints to celebrate.

Somewhere there is a tree working really hard to produce oxygen so that you can breathe!

I think you should go apologise to it?

EMD · « **Reply #25 on:** 28 October 2016, 11:44:11 »

Quote from: Migv6 on 27 October 2016, 21:36:19

Its my birthday tomorrow. If someone gives me something to test oil with, I shall shove it up their arse.

ted_one · « **Reply #26 on:** 28 October 2016, 11:55:46 »

Let's face it, this the best place to get insulted... absolutely no point in going elsewhere,have a good one

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #27 on:** 28 October 2016, 16:30:40 »

I have never seen visibly worn cams in even the poorly maintained of Omegas!

Migv6 le Frog Fan · « **Reply #28 on:** 28 October 2016, 17:42:08 »

Quote from: dbug on 28 October 2016, 01:33:45

Quote from: Migv6 on 27 October 2016, 21:36:19
Its my birthday tomorrow. If someone gives me something to test oil with, I shall shove it up their arse.

Happy birthday Albs

Cheers mate.

Rods2 · « **Reply #29 on:** 29 October 2016, 01:48:04 »

Quote from: Webby the Bear on 28 October 2016, 05:50:12

Thanks for the birthday wishes. Well that's that done for another year. Thank god.

Good to see you are still here, luckily your your birthday celebration didn't involve beer, DeLorean cars and flux capacitors!

Webby the Bear · « **Reply #30 on:** 29 October 2016, 08:51:57 »

Quote from: Spireite on 28 October 2016, 10:58:07

I'd of spent £40 on a few pints to celebrate.

Somewhere there is a tree working really hard to produce oxygen so that you can breathe!

I think you should go apologise to it?

It's all relative bro; some would argue spending time on a forum that celebrates slow old not so desirable cars was a waste of time. But hey some folk are always right 😂

Spireite · « **Reply #31 on:** 31 October 2016, 10:58:29 »

I certainly ain't your bro, if I was, I'd happily test your oil by drinking it.

In a kind enough way, you are a master of self infliction with the questions you ask.

I like omegas, hence owning one thanks, it's purely banter, which is expected on all forums.

Happy birthday all the same, maybe next year you might want to invest in a strait jacket and visit your local health authorities padded room.

Doctor Gollum · « **Reply #32 on:** 31 October 2016, 14:42:11 »

Twenty posts a year, and that's your best effort

Anyways, Webby, Happy Birthday you middle-aged sod

Spireite · « **Reply #33 on:** 31 October 2016, 17:51:57 »

Sorry Doctor.

As for posts I use this forum for my own benefit, don't see the point in how many posts I have over however many years. I don't live on here, it's rediculous how many posts you need to sell something. I've in fact been on here longer than you, under my previous profile, before the website changed its host address from the old website. Anyway who's counting?

I've had banter with 'the bear' before and gave him advice. I'd hate this to turn into cyber bullying.

I'll leave the playground now and head home for my dinner.

Adios

TheBoy · « **Reply #34 on:** 31 October 2016, 18:28:08 »

Quote from: Spireite on 31 October 2016, 17:51:57

before the website changed its host address from the old website

Not fuelling any fires, but as far as I know, the host address has never changed. In fact its been www.omegaowners.com since it was created on 8th July 2006

Granted, in the early years before I managed to take control of the domain, it frequently sold watches around its anniversary

TheBoy · « **Reply #35 on:** 31 October 2016, 18:30:00 »

Quote from: TheBoy on 31 October 2016, 18:28:08

Quote from: Spireite on 31 October 2016, 17:51:57
before the website changed its host address from the old website
Not fuelling any fires, but as far as I know, the host address has never changed. In fact its been www.omegaowners.com since it was created on 8th July 2006

Granted, in the early years before I managed to take control of the domain, it frequently sold watches around its anniversary

Oh yeah, and a couple of weeks after launching, our web host took us down for generating too much traffic, bless them

But even that was only for a few hours before it was bodged temporarily^* onto another server...

^* Said bodge still in place

Webby the Bear · « **Reply #36 on:** 31 October 2016, 19:20:51 »

love this forum.

sadly you are right.... I am a sad old git. can only see it getting worse to be honest $:-\$

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