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[STEMO]

....are blockading roads in the capital. They are causing long jams, thus massively increasing the pollution from standing traffic. Doh!

[Kevin Wood]

Yep. Let's facepalm our way to reversing "climate change".

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

When theyve finished protesting they no doubt will need some recovery time, so will get on an aeroplane and fly off to sunny climes. 

[STEMO]

When theyve finished protesting they no doubt will need some recovery time, so will get on an aeroplane and fly off to sunny climes. 

They'll have to fake a job search sheet to get their universal credit first.

[Doctor Gollum]

When theyve finished protesting they no doubt will need some recovery time, so will get on an aeroplane and fly off to sunny climes. 

I will be sure to send them merrily on their way. Arse first. 

[Kevin Wood]

When theyve finished protesting they no doubt will need some recovery time, so will get on an aeroplane and fly off to sunny climes. 

I will be sure to send them merrily on their way. Arse first. 

.. on an unpatched 737 MAX-8.

[Doctor Gollum]

When theyve finished protesting they no doubt will need some recovery time, so will get on an aeroplane and fly off to sunny climes. 

I will be sure to send them merrily on their way. Arse first. 

.. on an unpatched 737 MAX-8.

They're a bit hard to come by at the moment  Although I am sure Ryan Air have summat suitably airworthy

[Olympia5776]

Hose them into the Thames .
Ffs half the capital's populace and business is forced to a standstill or sent around the houses causing costly mayhem just so's some johnny come lately  hippies can claim their right to demonstrate .....

[BazaJT]

As with most[all?] these "protest" groups they really didn't think it through did they?

[Kevin Wood]

When theyve finished protesting they no doubt will need some recovery time, so will get on an aeroplane and fly off to sunny climes. 

I will be sure to send them merrily on their way. Arse first. 

.. on an unpatched 737 MAX-8.

They're a bit hard to come by at the moment  Although I am sure Ryan Air have summat suitably airworthy

I'm kinda surprised they haven't started littering Lasham airfield yet.

Oh, I suppose they'd need to be airworthy to get there.

[Doctor Gollum]

Icelandair had one doing the lunchtime run to Gatwick when they got banned. Suffice to say that it was quite a short turnaround 

[Kevin Wood]

Icelandair had one doing the lunchtime run to Gatwick when they got banned. Suffice to say that it was quite a short turnaround 

Yeah, guessing the parking's cheaper in Iceland.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

In school during the early seventies the prediction was that another ice age was inevitable.

[Lizzie Zoom]

In school during the early seventies the prediction was that another ice age was inevitable.

Yes, and in the 1960's as I remember.  So was the prediction that Earth's magnetic field would change polarity, with no one then knowing what would happen to the electrics of the day.

Just imagine the panic now in the hi tech world if the poles reversed!

[Varche]

It is a shame they are going about the campaign in the manner they are doing.

Having said that they are 100% correct.

When you see people complaining that they have been inconvenienced by these actions. Really? They still have their mobile phone ( containing rare earth metals mined under inhuman conditions in a war torn African country) so they can get on social media. We all need to grow up and do our part.

[Marks DTM Calib]

In school during the early seventies the prediction was that another ice age was inevitable.

Yes, and in the 1960's as I remember.  So was the prediction that Earth's magnetic field would change polarity, with no one then knowing what would happen to the electrics of the day.

Just imagine the panic now in the hi tech world if the poles reversed!

I think with Brexit they might, a few I work with are already planning to move back

[Lizzie Zoom]

In school during the early seventies the prediction was that another ice age was inevitable.

Yes, and in the 1960's as I remember.  So was the prediction that Earth's magnetic field would change polarity, with no one then knowing what would happen to the electrics of the day.

Just imagine the panic now in the hi tech world if the poles reversed!

I think with Brexit they might, a few I work with are already planning to move back

Oh, very good!!

[STEMO]

If they carry on blocking London for much longer, HGV's with cow catchers should be deployed. Scoop 'em all up and straight to landfill. What a delicious irony. Captured by a smoke belching wagon and left to rot, causing lots of greenhouse gases.

[Doctor Gollum]

Shooting would be far more efficient although I would settle for a water cannon...

[STEMO]

I watched an Asian woman, some kind of international busy body, on the news before. She was explaining why they were at it and urging people to join them. Of course I thought "What is it about our country that attracts these people?" WTF don't you go and sit in the middle of the road in your own country? The answer, obviously, is because my previous suggestion would be implemented immediately. Patronising bitch.

[Varche]

Or it could be that only the first world countries can make the changes.

We are the ones screwing up the planet with our unfettered consumption. Arent we ( you) selfish?!

[TheBoy]

In school during the early seventies the prediction was that another ice age was inevitable.

Wasn't the last one caused by prehistoric man making too much use of this Range Rover?

[STEMO]

Or it could be that only the first world countries can make the changes.

We are the ones screwing up the planet with our unfettered consumption. Arent we ( you) selfish?!

Why didn't she land on the shores of the US, China or India? They're the biggest polluters. No, she came here because we're fickin stupid enough to allow every protester to clog up our roads and glue themselves to whatever they fancy.

I despair of this country in so many ways.

[STEMO]

And the part that pisses me off most is that they tell us they're gonna do it in advance. Go on arsebook, name the time and place, bring you own butties/shackles/glue/snotty nosed brats and we're off. Tw**s.

[Varche]

Or it could be that only the first world countries can make the changes.

We are the ones screwing up the planet with our unfettered consumption. Arent we ( you) selfish?!

Why didn't she land on the shores of the US, China or India? They're the biggest polluters. No, she came here because we're fickin stupid enough to allow every protester to clog up our roads and glue themselves to whatever they fancy.

I despair of this country in so many ways.

Cannot disagree there. Problem is without people protesting we would still be sending men and boys down coal mines to get coal to make electricity. Change for the better has to start somewhere. You cannot argue against ecological collapse .  One other point is the extinction rebellion movement started in the uk.

[STEMO]

Or it could be that only the first world countries can make the changes.

We are the ones screwing up the planet with our unfettered consumption. Arent we ( you) selfish?!

Why didn't she land on the shores of the US, China or India? They're the biggest polluters. No, she came here because we're fickin stupid enough to allow every protester to clog up our roads and glue themselves to whatever they fancy.

I despair of this country in so many ways.

Cannot disagree there. Problem is without people protesting we would still be sending men and boys down coal mines to get coal to make electricity. Change for the better has to start somewhere. You cannot argue against ecological collapse .  One other point is the extinction rebellion movement started in the uk.

Why am I not surprised at that?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the extinction bit.

[Lizzie Zoom]

In school during the early seventies the prediction was that another ice age was inevitable.

Wasn't the last one caused by prehistoric man making too much use of this Range Rover?

No TB. It was due to the mammoths farting and belching, and that is why man wiped them out; early environmental action!!

(Joking of course before anyone starts on this comment!!)

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I listened to some woman on the radio yesterday morning who was so excited and inspired by all this that she flew in from the U.S. to join the protest. She didn't see the irony or hypocrisy in her actions.
Fickin cretin. 

[STEMO]

I listened to some woman on the radio yesterday morning who was so excited and inspired by all this that she flew in from the U.S. to join the protest. She didn't see the irony or hypocrisy in her actions.
Fickin cretin. 

A cretin amongst equals. 

[aaronjb]

Didn't some of them glue themselves to the DLR?

You know, the electric, public, mass transport system.

The kind of thing they want us to give up our cars for.

Which they stopped from running.

The retards.

[Doctor Gollum]

Didn't some of them glue themselves to the DLR?

You know, the electric, public, mass transport system.

The kind of thing they want us to give up our cars for.

Which they stopped from running.

The retards.

And presumably some do gooder had them turn the power off 

[Varche]

How is recycling of all glass and plastic bottles going?  Badly in a word. How hard would it be for the UK to have an effective scheme.?

Why isnt Britain tackling it properly? Too much inconvenience, easier and cheaper just to throw them away.  Just like Extinction Rebellion..........

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Listening to Talk radio in the car this morning. Some interesting facts were revealed about the protesters.
One of the leading lights - a double barrelled name and a very expensive education - has an Instagram account full of pics of his several foreign holidays he takes each year. 
They then went on to discuss the school kids who went on strike to protest about climate change and how some of the schools encouraged them to do so.
One such school has a headmaster who was proud of his pupils for joining the strike. The school website has a big feature about him taking the pupils to the Caribbean last year to play netball with the local children. 
When kids are being educated by retards like this, what hope is there for the future ? 

[Lizzie Zoom]

Listening to Talk radio in the car this morning. Some interesting facts were revealed about the protesters.
One of the leading lights - a double barrelled name and a very expensive education - has an Instagram account full of pics of his several foreign holidays he takes each year. 
They then went on to discuss the school kids who went on strike to protest about climate change and how some of the schools encouraged them to do so.
One such school has a headmaster who was proud of his pupils for joining the strike. The school website has a big feature about him taking the pupils to the Caribbean last year to play netball with the local children. 
When kids are being educated by retards like this, what hope is there for the future ? 

Yes, it is all madness!

No doubt most of those particular protestors also have cars, have a house full of electronic hardware, and buy everything fully covered in packaging.

If they did what they preached I would have more time for them

[Varche]

All good points BUT it is in mankinds nature to abuse and pillage the only * earth we have got. Someone has to make a start on applying the brakes. It will never ever come from the top.

Did anyone see the sea lions on planet from the air plunging to their deaths? Truly shocking. But then who cares about nature or the environment so long as we have our social media, burgers and our cars!

* only earth. One day the very rich will be able to go to another planet leaving the scum (us) here on what is left of our planet.

[STEMO]

They wanna sit outside Jaime's, I reckon he contributes a lot more methane than most.

[Nick W]

How is recycling of all glass and plastic bottles going?  Badly in a word. How hard would it be for the UK to have an effective scheme.?

Why isnt Britain tackling it properly? Too much inconvenience, easier and cheaper just to throw them away.  Just like Extinction Rebellion..........

We need to think about why we're recycling stuff, and whether it's worth doing.


For instance, recycling paper is a horribly dirty process that uses large amounts of water and bleach to produce a low quality product(most paper is recycled into newsprint or packaging) whereas new is made from forests grown as a crop. The reason to recycle glass is not because it's made from a diminishing resource(the planet is hardly short of sand), but that melting an existing bottle into a new one uses fewer resources than making  new one and that the old ones won't bulk out landfill sites forever. Although reusing them dozens of times like milk or beer bottles used to be is an even better use. Plastics should be recycled wherever possible because they are made from diminishing resources(they're the proper use for oil rather than just burning it) and again they just take up space. Batteries are made from nasty chemicals that can be reused which is far better than hoping they don't leach into the ground.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Conservation and recycling is common sense and predates the climate change mania.
These protesters are claiming that we have 12 years to save the world, and after that it will be too late.
In 1989 the UN issued an emergency warning that by the year 2000 many islands in the Pacific would disappear under water.
They didn't, and in 2019 they till haven't.
Regardless of the various arguments, if the powers that be knew for a fact that the situation is as bad as is claimed, then all air travel would have ben banned long ago, as would non essential use of private vehicles.
To reduce carbon emissions to zero as the protesters are demanding, we would need to revert to a pre industrial age, and I cant imagine they would be at all happy with that.

[Varche]

On the tv it said an area of land the size of a football pitch vanishes every 45 minutes as the sea level rises. I cannot verify that but it may well be true.

We don't have rubbish collection at our house here in Spain. Everything has to be taken to bins. Recycling is easy. Different coloured bins plus the black ones for landfill. Often some lazy gits pu cardboard and bottles in it. Add to that the bottles ( plastic and glass ) just lobbed out of cars and you realise some people dont give a damn.

On the BBC this morning question was asked why UK supermarkets , shops do not have recycling with in effect deposit schemes. Other countries do it and those of us old enough can remember deposit on pop bottles. It is because no one gives a damn and it would cost someone. We cannot be bothered. Same applies on a larger scale.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The cherry on the cake. The high priestess of moronic hypocrisy Dame Emma Thomson has flown 5400 miles to join in the protest.

[Doctor Gollum]

On the tv it said an area of land the size of a football pitch vanishes every 45 minutes as the sea level rises. I cannot verify that but it may well be true.

We don't have rubbish collection at our house here in Spain. Everything has to be taken to bins. Recycling is easy. Different coloured bins plus the black ones for landfill. Often some lazy gits pu cardboard and bottles in it. Add to that the bottles ( plastic and glass ) just lobbed out of cars and you realise some people dont give a damn.

On the BBC this morning question was asked why UK supermarkets , shops do not have recycling with in effect deposit schemes. Other countries do it and those of us old enough can remember deposit on pop bottles. It is because no one gives a damn and it would cost someone. We cannot be bothered. Same applies on a larger scale.

There could be money to be made from the effort...

Part of the problem is a lack of consistency between authorities. Our LA has always tried to lead by example. We have a garden waste bin, a land fill bin and a recycling bin for card/glass/plastics. They sort it so we don't have to. It's easy to use and works well, even with fortnightly collections. Yet other LAs have six or seven bins and still don't collect half what we can put in ours

[Bigron]

Conservation and recycling is common sense and predates the climate change mania.
These protesters are claiming that we have 12 years to save the world, and after that it will be too late.
In 1989 the UN issued an emergency warning that by the year 2000 many islands in the Pacific would disappear under water.
They didn't, and in 2019 they till haven't.
Regardless of the various arguments, if the powers that be knew for a fact that the situation is as bad as is claimed, then all air travel would have ben banned long ago, as would non essential use of private vehicles.
To reduce carbon emissions to zero as the protesters are demanding, we would ALL DIE, as no plant life would survive and neither would we and the animals.....

Ron.

[STEMO]

On the tv it said an area of land the size of a football pitch vanishes every 45 minutes as the sea level rises. I cannot verify that but it may well be true.

We don't have rubbish collection at our house here in Spain. Everything has to be taken to bins. Recycling is easy. Different coloured bins plus the black ones for landfill. Often some lazy gits pu cardboard and bottles in it. Add to that the bottles ( plastic and glass ) just lobbed out of cars and you realise some people dont give a damn.

On the BBC this morning question was asked why UK supermarkets , shops do not have recycling with in effect deposit schemes. Other countries do it and those of us old enough can remember deposit on pop bottles. It is because no one gives a damn and it would cost someone. We cannot be bothered. Same applies on a larger scale.

That tv programme was fairly clear about what the future holds if we don't do something. But, as I said to the wife, individuals won't take it upon themselves, partly because it would feel futile. There will only be change when it is forced on us by governments. That could work well in certain parts of the world, but in a democracy? Where, if you don't like being told what to do, you vote in someone less bothered? Consensus across all parties would be necessary to implement any changes here.

[Varche]

And concensus across countries.

If you superglue your hand to the road, how do you go to the toilet?!

[STEMO]

And concensus across countries.

If you superglue your hand to the road, how do you go to the toilet?!

You make sure you do it next to a manhole cover.

[Kevin Wood]

I liked the interview I heard with a manager on the London Underground. He explained that, when they threatened to disrupt the underground services (why would they worry about electric mass transit? anyway..) the underground responded by turning off Wi-Fi in the tube. This, apparently "removed the ability for them to organise themselves".

Great, these millennials. As soon as they start to be a PITA, take their Wi-Fi away and they are immediately passivated, and just sit there nodding in the corner until it comes back.

I really worry that we might have to rely on this generation to defend us in our old age.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The cherry on the cake. The high priestess of moronic hypocrisy Dame Emma Thomson has flown 5400 miles to join in the protest.

The luvvies luvvy.

[Lizzie Zoom]

On the tv it said an area of land the size of a football pitch vanishes every 45 minutes as the sea level rises. I cannot verify that but it may well be true.

We don't have rubbish collection at our house here in Spain. Everything has to be taken to bins. Recycling is easy. Different coloured bins plus the black ones for landfill. Often some lazy gits pu cardboard and bottles in it. Add to that the bottles ( plastic and glass ) just lobbed out of cars and you realise some people dont give a damn.

On the BBC this morning question was asked why UK supermarkets , shops do not have recycling with in effect deposit schemes. Other countries do it and those of us old enough can remember deposit on pop bottles. It is because no one gives a damn and it would cost someone. We cannot be bothered. Same applies on a larger scale.

On that point I can say it is because recycling of pop bottles (glass) always took up space 'out the back' of traditional shops. The quantities of bottles and crates stored was nothing like the quantities now seen in these days of 2ltr and 3ltr plastic bottles. Even with our supermarkets now, that have greatly reduced the sizes of their store warehouse areas due to auto replenishment from CDC's, have not got a huge amount of space for bulk recycling; it is also considered a fire and H & S hazard.  Recycling in bulk would also cost money to operate, including the transport to take it back to CDC's onwards.  Yes, the supermarkets already recycle the case and outer packaging from the goods they display for sale, but to take in the recycling packaging from consumers is going one step further, with, as I stated, storage and cost issues.

Now machines that crush down the packaging, like plastic bottles, could make a big difference, but there would still be the handling and storage costs, quite apart from buying the equipment required.

In my opinion the answer should be to not sell products with so much packaging; when packaging is required it must be made of paper, and in the case of soft drinks and bottles of cider, to name just one example in the acholic range, it should be re-thought and either quick degradable plastic / replacement packaging used, or bulk tank transfer to consumer used.  Vinegar (perhaps it still is?) used to be sold in bulk, so did paraffin, sugar, butter, etc.  So, like the green grocer providing paper bags for the bulk purchase of veg and fruit, let's go a bit back in time and do that again.  Supermarkets have suitable products delivered and put on shelves in bulk, then the customer buys in bulk.  Tis saves packaging, costs, and actually is a far more effective system overall with the consumer being able to buy the exact quantity they want, no less no more.

Now there are NO easy answers to how we can quickly resolve the current wasteful and damaging habits of our modern living, but thinking along these lines could be a start.

[Varche]

Exactly ........thinking.   No one thinks , just consume and profit. There is room for recycling in business models. How about every bottle ( plastic or glass) has a £1 deposit. Insert your card in the machine and pop your returns in for your refund. Could be a fiver to help focus minds.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Exactly ........thinking.   No one thinks , just consume and profit. There is room for recycling in business models. How about every bottle ( plastic or glass) has a £1 deposit. Insert your card in the machine and pop your returns in for your refund. Could be a fiver to help focus minds.

Yes Varche, that would be the ideal.  However, as I stated recycling takes space (separate from any foodstuffs), cost of machinery and staff, plus transportation costs.  Who will pay for that?  The supermarkets will not be happy to as it will affect their bottom lines profit.  Maybe there should not only be a deposit of £1, but a handling charge of say (out of thin air) 25p, or whatever it will cost the supermarkets per item.

Those small "recycling" machines featured on news reports are frankly laughable to anyone in the retail trade.  If you see what huge bales are created of crushed plastic bottles, you will recognise the volume and therefore size of the problem any superstore supermarket would have to handle.  A hopper in one of those aforementioned featured machines could never handle those quantities. 

Another way of understanding the problem is doing what I am trained to do; calculating multiples on the retail floor.  Not only in terms of profit per item, per customer, per store in your company, but the handling and storage issues.  In the old days of glass deposits we had to build additional storage facilities for the mass stacking of crates and bottles, per store.  With increased consumer demand of product in bottles and the need for larger quantities, the multiplication issues came in and demanded the introduction of non-deposit, large quantity, plastic bottles that came in, and went out to the consumer X thousands.  Stand in your major supermarket at the checkouts and calculate how many large plastic bottles are being sold per customer, per minute, per hour, per week, per store in the retail group.  You will then understand the logistical problems of consumer recycling through the retailer.

There are answers to what is a problem we MUST solve.  Just like simple ones such as I in a small block of flats not being able to recycle through the council "special recycling" bin scheme;  I have to collect my recycling and take it once a fortnight to the local major County Recycling Centre.  However that Centre does not have any facilities at all for the recycling of plastic, and it all goes in "General Waste"!!  But at least we have one of those centres, unlike some areas where I understand they are being closed!!

That is the real issue; no central, integrated National policy on recycling. Until we start as a Nation to go in one direction, the buck of recycling will just be passed from one council, retailer, contractor, consumer, to another!

[TheBoy]

I really worry that we might have to rely on this generation to defend us in our old age.

As I've said before, this started a generation ago, when the the previous generation were able to breed millennials.

As a country, we're knackered. Completely knackered.


Recycling to the millennials - and their parents - means chucking your McDonalds wrappers out of the car window.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I really worry that we might have to rely on this generation to defend us in our old age.

As I've said before, this started a generation ago, when the the previous generation were able to breed millennials.

As a country, we're knackered. Completely knackered.


Recycling to the millennials - and their parents - means chucking your McDonalds wrappers out of the car window.

This is a depressingly familiar sight.  What a bunch of self-abusers!   

Self-abusers?  The word I wrote begins with W..... 

[Doctor Gollum]

I really worry that we might have to rely on this generation to defend us in our old age.

As I've said before, this started a generation ago, when the the previous generation were able to breed millennials.

As a country, we're knackered. Completely knackered.


Recycling to the millennials - and their parents - means chucking your McDonalds wrappers out of the car window.

This is a depressingly familiar sight.  What a bunch of self-abusers!   

Self-abusers?  The word I wrote begins with W..... 

Didn't rhyme with anchors perchance

[Sir Tigger KC]

I really worry that we might have to rely on this generation to defend us in our old age.

As I've said before, this started a generation ago, when the the previous generation were able to breed millennials.

As a country, we're knackered. Completely knackered.


Recycling to the millennials - and their parents - means chucking your McDonalds wrappers out of the car window.

This is a depressingly familiar sight.  What a bunch of self-abusers!   

Self-abusers?  The word I wrote begins with W..... 

Didn't rhyme with anchors perchance

That's the one! 

[Doctor Gollum]

I believe it's an acronym for the World Association of Non Knowledgeable Environmental Revolutionary Socialists*

*Other Communists Undermining Normal Terrestrial Systems exist, but it's all about the WAN.KERS at the moment 

[78bex]

Didn't some of them glue themselves to the DLR?

You know, the electric, public, mass transport system.

The kind of thing they want us to give up our cars for.

Which they stopped from running.

The retards.

All three were remanded in custody to next appear at Blackfriars' Crown Court in May 

[Rods2]

Make all consumers use Soda makers. Water bulk delivered by pipe to the point of use, 1L bottle of concentrate will make about 200l & returnable CO2 bottles. Not exactly leading edge technology as my parents made us kids use one in the late 1960's onwards.

I use old 0.5l plastic bottles when I have to cycle somewhere, which I fill with fresh cold water from something called a kitchen tap. They get several years of use before they need replacing.

All that current recycling will do is cause great inconvenience to consumers & transfer the problem to Asian countries where they are exported by Western recycling companies & they use the cheapest contractors who in turn use the cheapest disposal method with is to throw them into the adjacent river, so they float into the Pacific. 7 Asian countries account for about 90% of Pacific ocean plastic.

All self-righteous Western 'green' do gooders are doing is transferring the problem elsewhere, the only good thing that comes out of it is transport miles & the generation of much needed CO2 for the current CO2 correction.

The only extermination event I can see currently happening is that of May's socialist Conservative party who will be gone as a political force after the next GE. The party that wants to restrict, ban or tax everything & tell us how many chips we are allowed on our plates.

Most Conservatives now see the best route to stopping Corbyn is by voting for The Brexit Party & many have already defected & after 2nd & 23rd May election results many more will follow. Tories where they are broke & can't afford a Euro-election campaign are now appealing to owners of SMEs to join the party & donate. They have more chance of making lead balloons fly.

[Varche]

Agree with your analysis of the political scene.

The problem with the environment is we can all make difficulty statements like nowhere to recycle or lack of space or who is going to pay. If it was your own back garden filling with various types of crap from plastic bottles to used oil the you would soon do something. It is however fine to buy six eggs in pastic box ( not cardboard like they used to be....) and then lob it into landfill.

WE lack imagination. It is too easy to say it is someone else's problem.

Extinction rebellion should get products endorsed. That might change the dynamics quite rapidly.