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[LouisCorney]

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[Andy B]

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Wait till you get in a nice long traffic jam!   You'll be glad there's only a 'go' pedal & 'stop' pedal, with non of the 'down clutch ...  upclutch' etc etc  

[bob.dent]

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Wait till you get in a nice long traffic jam!   You'll be glad there's only a 'go' pedal & 'stop' pedal, with non of the 'down clutch ...  upclutch' etc etc  

Ah, but when you get out on the open road, a manual makes all that clutch pumping worthwhile - really makes the V6 sing when going through the gears using near max revs
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[Big Rod]

And what's stopping you doing that with an auto Bob?

I'd have an auto over a manual any day, but must admit, I wouldn't mind both, (selectotronic or whatever it's called!), for those odd occassions I go for it through some twisties!

[Marks DTM Calib]

I sometimes drive the Omega quite hard and the manual is much more controllable through the corners as you can lift to gain a little engine breaking and the dam think doesn't change up.

I can get drive the 2.5 faster through corners than the 3.0 estate which has sports suspension and a bigger engine!

[bob.dent]

And what's stopping you doing that with an auto Bob?

I'd have an auto over a manual any day, but must admit, I wouldn't mind both, (selectotronic or whatever it's called!), for those odd occassions I go for it through some twisties!

I just think the car is more controllable with a manual box - you can really change up or down through the gears when you want to, not the car. I also think you can coax a bit more speed from a manual. I have owned auto's in the past and while they are great in heavy traffic, I prefer manual for sheer driving pleasure. 8-) From my recollections of driving auto's, they always want to change gear before you hit the red line

Could this be the start of a manual versus auto debate!!

[Marks DTM Calib]

I think that because

a) I own an auto
b) I own a manual to
c) I am a mod
d) I do like to drive hard on rare occasions

That clearly I have the controling vote...!

[bob.dent]

That clearly I have the controling vote...!

I take it that manuals win then

[Big Rod]

There goes the democracy! OOops! Did I say that out loud? I meant neighbourhood!!  

[bob.dent]

There goes the democracy! OOops! Did I say that out loud? I meant neighbourhood!!  

Rod....does this mean you're gonna give up without an argument!!??

[Big Rod]

Yep, I think everyone's entitled to their opinion.

Thing is, I know mine's the right one!!!  

[TheBoy]

Manual definately more controllable - gives that extra variable a driver can use mid corner to control the car.  Selectronic and similar systems still do not give that level of control.

Saying that, I still prefer an auto in a big car...

[bob.dent]

Yep, I think everyone's entitled to their opinion.

Thing is, I know mine's the right one!!!  

I guess it's time to start a manual v auto poll thread then

[Auto Addict]

Manual definately more controllable - gives that extra variable a driver can use mid corner to control the car.  Selectronic and similar systems still do not give that level of control.

Saying that, I still prefer an auto in a big car...

Auto leaves both hands on the steering wheel, where they should be.

[Andy B]

And what's stopping you doing that with an auto Bob?

I'd have an auto over a manual any day, but must admit, I wouldn't mind both, (selectotronic or whatever it's called!), for those odd occassions I go for it through some twisties!

I suppose it must depend on what the senso/tip/step/etc tronic box is based on. Some are auto's with manual control and some are manual boxes underneath with auto clutches, but the Mitubushi FTO that my brother had didn't really change gear any faster while in manual than if you'd selected 3 or 2 on your 'normal' auto. Once the novelty had worn off he rarely selected anything but ordinary drive.