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[Darth Loo-knee]

I still think the quickest and easiest way would be to remove the sump and swap for another

[3.0V6Elite]

Another alternative would be to remove the sump and swap for another one with a good sump plug in it.
I know just the person who has one  

That would be a great alternative, but I need to get one sooner rather that later, if you know what I mean.

[Richard148]

screw thread inserts/heli coils



http://www.emhart.com/media/win/helicoil.wmv

[3.0V6Elite]

screw thread inserts/heli coils



http://www.emhart.com/media/win/helicoil.wmv

Interesting!

[Andy B]

screw thread inserts/heli coils



http://www.emhart.com/media/win/helicoil.wmv

Interesting!

Helicoils are crap at the best of times on items that will be fitted & removed at various times, not too bad if it's to be fitted & left in, they have a tendancy to wind themselves out. The lower sump pan is only pressed steel with an ally threaded ring pressed into it. It's this female thread that's likely to be fubar'd.
I agree with Daz/Loo Knee regarding replacing it, they're not that expensive new, a 2nd hand pan will be even cheaper, and held up with a handfull of M6 bolts & grey sealant.

[3.0V6Elite]

screw thread inserts/heli coils



http://www.emhart.com/media/win/helicoil.wmv

Interesting!

Helicoils are crap at the best of times on items that will be fitted & removed at various times, not too bad if it's to be fitted & left in, they have a tendancy to wind themselves out. The lower sump pan is only pressed steel with an ally threaded ring pressed into it. It's this female thread that's likely to be fubar'd.
I agree with Daz/Loo Knee regarding replacing it, they're not that expensive new, a 2nd hand pan will be even cheaper, and held up with a handfull of M6 bolts & grey sealant.

When you say "not that expensive new", how much do you think I will be looking at for a new pan?

[Richard148]

obviously you are not a precision engineer working for a large company  
as i am and produce parts for the euro fighter weapon systems and they are used very often

with working tolarances of microns

need i say more

[Andy B]

screw thread inserts/heli coils



http://www.emhart.com/media/win/helicoil.wmv

Interesting!

Helicoils are crap at the best of times on items that will be fitted & removed at various times, not too bad if it's to be fitted & left in, they have a tendancy to wind themselves out. The lower sump pan is only pressed steel with an ally threaded ring pressed into it. It's this female thread that's likely to be fubar'd.
I agree with Daz/Loo Knee regarding replacing it, they're not that expensive new, a 2nd hand pan will be even cheaper, and held up with a handfull of M6 bolts & grey sealant.

When you say "not that expensive new", how much do you think I will be looking at for a new pan?

IIRC when I bought mine a couple of years back it was about £35 ...

[Andy B]

obviously you are not a precision engineer working for a large company  
as i am and produce parts for the euro fighter weapon systems and they are used very often

with working tolarances of microns

need i say more

Try not to be quite so condecending ......  :-?
In every case I've ever come across a Helicoil, they've tended to wind back out with the bolt, and I'm quite capable in an enginner's workshop ..... we just don't build planes.
I have used Time certs though ...... http://www.timesert.com/ far superior.
Anyway, what ever you like to use, neither repair is appropiate for the sump pan.

Just for info .... I'm time served with the MOD! and I still think they're crap

[Richard148]

obviously not installed correctly then if the right compound is used to secure them in place there is a molecular bond created which is as strong as surrounding components

[Andy B]

obviously not installed correctly then if the right compound is used to secure them in place there is a molecular bond created which is as strong as surrounding components

You might be right! But I'd still prefer the Time Cert as it's all one piece and not a coil.

[Richard148]

the reason we don't use them is that the last three threads that are used to hold the certs in can distort or stress the surrounding areas causing the item to be scrap!

they both have there places and we just don't see eye to eye but the input has been good input and that can only be a good thing

i will bight my tongue in future before going on one i apologize  

[Andy B]

......
i will bight my tongue in future before going on one i apologize  

Accepted!    
A boss at work even accused me of not being a 'shrinking Violet' ......  

[TheBoy]

screw thread inserts/heli coils



http://www.emhart.com/media/win/helicoil.wmv

Interesting!

Helicoils are crap at the best of times on items that will be fitted & removed at various times, not too bad if it's to be fitted & left in, they have a tendancy to wind themselves out. The lower sump pan is only pressed steel with an ally threaded ring pressed into it. It's this female thread that's likely to be fubar'd.
I agree with Daz/Loo Knee regarding replacing it, they're not that expensive new, a 2nd hand pan will be even cheaper, and held up with a handfull of M6 bolts & grey sealant.

Disagree strongly.  Helicoils are used in performance race cars as it provides a reliable and a strong thread....

[Richard148]

screw thread inserts/heli coils



http://www.emhart.com/media/win/helicoil.wmv

Interesting!

Helicoils are crap at the best of times on items that will be fitted & removed at various times, not too bad if it's to be fitted & left in, they have a tendancy to wind themselves out. The lower sump pan is only pressed steel with an ally threaded ring pressed into it. It's this female thread that's likely to be fubar'd.
I agree with Daz/Loo Knee regarding replacing it, they're not that expensive new, a 2nd hand pan will be even cheaper, and held up with a handfull of M6 bolts & grey sealant.

Disagree strongly.  Helicoils are used in performance race cars as it provides a reliable and a strong thread....