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[Alnico Blue]

Only media reports . . .

 but seems like Donald has ruffled our PM's feathers by dissing her Brexit formula   

London mayor taken a verbal bashing on crime  from Donald as well it seems 

[RossPhim]

He's not one to mince his words is he! 

I quite like the fella, as he's pretty much doing what he said he would. 

Whether he's good news for the USA or the rest of the world for that matter awaits to be seen! 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Yes....if the 'limp dick' version of Brexit happens then no trade deal with the U.S.

[Varche]

Yes....if the 'limp dick' version of Brexit happens then no trade deal with the U.S.

Are you looking forward then to cheap out of date Chicken washed in Chlorine or beef reared to poorer European standards?

[STEMO]

Yes....if the 'limp dick' version of Brexit happens then no trade deal with the U.S.

Are you looking forward then to cheap out of date Chicken washed in Chlorine or beef reared to poorer European standards?

You don't have to buy it, other chickens are available.

[Varche]

Yes....if the 'limp dick' version of Brexit happens then no trade deal with the U.S.

Are you looking forward then to cheap out of date Chicken washed in Chlorine or beef reared to poorer European standards?

You don't have to buy it, other chickens are available.

You missed the operative word "cheap". Opti will have free range capons freshly butchered from his estate.

[STEMO]

Yes....if the 'limp dick' version of Brexit happens then no trade deal with the U.S.

Are you looking forward then to cheap out of date Chicken washed in Chlorine or beef reared to poorer European standards?

You don't have to buy it, other chickens are available.

You missed the operative word "cheap". Opti will have free range capons freshly butchered from his estate.

Chicken is cheap full stop. Going back to when I was a lad, it was a Sunday roast, now chicken, beef and pork are everyday meats. Lamb is still quite expensive, I paid over £10 for half a leg last time I bought it.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Chicken used to be a treat for the middle class and an 'aspiration only' for the working class.

Now chicken is for everybody. About £3-£4 for a medium sized bird.

I recently found out that the staple diet of the poor in London during the Victorian period was oysters. It came as a surprise to me.

[Varche]

Chicken used to be a treat for the middle class and an 'aspiration only' for the working class.

Now chicken is for everybody. About £3-£4 for a medium sized bird.

I recently found out that the staple diet of the poor in London during the Victorian period was oysters. It came as a surprise to me.

4 to 7.50 euros here. Supermarkets in the countryside cannot get away with selling the mass produced tasteless rubbish.


Fish too used to be cheap source of protein for the working class.  My dad won't eat anything that sifts sewage for a living. Seems reasonable

[scimmy_man]

Chicken used to be a treat for the middle class and an 'aspiration only' for the working class.

Now chicken is for everybody. About £3-£4 for a medium sized bird.

I recently found out that the staple diet of the poor in London during the Victorian period was oysters. It came as a surprise to me.

and salmon, there was a legal limit how many times a week the workers could be few cheap salmon,

[Lizzie Zoom]

Chicken used to be a treat for the middle class and an 'aspiration only' for the working class.

Now chicken is for everybody. About £3-£4 for a medium sized bird.

I recently found out that the staple diet of the poor in London during the Victorian period was oysters. It came as a surprise to me.

4 to 7.50 euros here. Supermarkets in the countryside cannot get away with selling the mass produced tasteless rubbish.


Fish too used to be cheap source of protein for the working class. My dad won't eat anything that sifts sewage for a living. Seems reasonable

.................and Eel pie became part of the staple East, and South East London diet during the early Victorian period, with hundreds of "pie men" walking the streets whilst plying their trade.  Pie n' mash shops gradually took over from the 1850's.

Eel was popular because it came out of the Thames that was by then highly polluted with little in the way of fish surviving, but the eel did!  Like oysters, they were readily available and cheap.  The Victorian poor though generally, in and outside London, relied heavily on bread and potatoes, with cheese when they could afford it.  It was not until the late 1800's that due to the food 'necessities' becoming about 30% cheaper, that the poor started to have a better and wider diet, with meat included.  But, if you had no money, no job, and in those days no welfare state to help you, you would go days without any food apart from that scrounged or stolen.. Hard times indeed!

[Bigron]

Chicken used to be a treat for the middle class and an 'aspiration only' for the working class.

Now chicken is for everybody. About £3-£4 for a medium sized bird.

I recently found out that the staple diet of the poor in London during the Victorian period was oysters. It came as a surprise to me.

4 to 7.50 euros here. Supermarkets in the countryside cannot get away with selling the mass produced tasteless rubbish.


Fish too used to be cheap source of protein for the working class. My dad won't eat anything that sifts sewage for a living. Seems reasonable

.................and Eel pie became part of the staple East, and South East London diet during the early Victorian period, with hundreds of "pie men" walking the streets whilst plying their trade.  Pie n' mash shops gradually took over from the 1850's.

Eel was popular because it came out of the Thames that was by then highly polluted with little in the way of fish surviving, but the eel did!  Like oysters, they were readily available and cheap.  The Victorian poor though generally, in and outside London, relied heavily on bread and potatoes, with cheese when they could afford it.  It was not until the late 1800's that due to the food 'necessities' becoming about 30% cheaper, that the poor started to have a better and wider diet, with meat included.  But, if you had no money, no job, and in those days no welfare state to help you, you would go days without any food apart from that scrounged or stolen.. Hard times indeed!

You have just described my current situation!  Can you spare me some change, Miss?

Ron.

[Doctor Gollum]

Here's some change for you...

Get out and work...

[Bigron]

I used to like you!

Ron.

[Doctor Gollum]

 

[zirk]

Dont particularity like Trump, but well done , Our PM needs a good kick up the rear.

[Nick W]

Chicken used to be a treat for the middle class and an 'aspiration only' for the working class.

Now chicken is for everybody. About £3-£4 for a medium sized bird.

I recently found out that the staple diet of the poor in London during the Victorian period was oysters. It came as a surprise to me.

and salmon, there was a legal limit how many times a week the workers could be few cheap salmon,

only after the apprentices went on strike to complain about it.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Dont particularity like Trump, but well done , Our PM needs a good kick up the rear.

Yes.  Let us vote in Trump as our President

He certainly seems to get things done!

[Rods2]

Chicken used to be a treat for the middle class and an 'aspiration only' for the working class.

Now chicken is for everybody. About £3-£4 for a medium sized bird.

I recently found out that the staple diet of the poor in London during the Victorian period was oysters. It came as a surprise to me.

4 to 7.50 euros here. Supermarkets in the countryside cannot get away with selling the mass produced tasteless rubbish.


Fish too used to be cheap source of protein for the working class. My dad won't eat anything that sifts sewage for a living. Seems reasonable

.................and Eel pie became part of the staple East, and South East London diet during the early Victorian period, with hundreds of "pie men" walking the streets whilst plying their trade.  Pie n' mash shops gradually took over from the 1850's.

Eel was popular because it came out of the Thames that was by then highly polluted with little in the way of fish surviving, but the eel did!  Like oysters, they were readily available and cheap.  The Victorian poor though generally, in and outside London, relied heavily on bread and potatoes, with cheese when they could afford it.  It was not until the late 1800's that due to the food 'necessities' becoming about 30% cheaper, that the poor started to have a better and wider diet, with meat included.  But, if you had no money, no job, and in those days no welfare state to help you, you would go days without any food apart from that scrounged or stolen.. Hard times indeed!

The jelly the eels were within also kept them fresh for longer as this was before refrigeration. Refrigerated ships in the 1880s made meat cheaper and more plentiful where it was shipped from Australia and New Zealand. This continued until traitor Heath took us into the EU in the 1970s and will hopefully start again depending upon what Remoaner & traitor May does in trying to keep us as a province and vassel state of imperial Brussels.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Yes....if the 'limp dick' version of Brexit happens then no trade deal with the U.S.

Are you looking forward then to cheap out of date Chicken washed in Chlorine or beef reared to poorer European standards?

If you look at where the chicken in ready meals and other processed chicken products comes from, you'll find that it's often from Thailand. 

I'm sure that the chickens are raised according to exacting EU standards and that the meat is of the highest quality. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The chickens might be but I don't think the regulations apply to seagulls. 

[STEMO]

Yes....if the 'limp dick' version of Brexit happens then no trade deal with the U.S.

Are you looking forward then to cheap out of date Chicken washed in Chlorine or beef reared to poorer European standards?

If you look at where the chicken in ready meals and other processed chicken products comes from, you'll find that it's often from Thailand. 

I'm sure that the chickens are raised according to exacting EU standards and that the meat is of the highest quality. 

The Coop uses only British meat ............it says. 

[STEMO]

Anyway....I used to eat chinkies when it was quite usual to find a skinned Alsatian in the freezer, and local cats went missing. Never did me any harm. A curry is a curry, mate. 

[BazaJT]

In fairness Rods Heath  didn't take us into the EU he took us into the EEC which has over time steadily morphed into the EU which in turn if it continues will steadily morph into the German Empire.

[Rods2]

EU regulations allow chlorine washed pre-prepared salad and vegetables, so all the people too lazy to prepare salad and veg are probably already so ill, they will never be well enough to face chlorine washed chicken.

All US foods must be trans fat free by 2020 and no new use of trans fat in foods has been allowed since 1st June 2018. These trans fats are primarily through Hydrogenated Oils and can cause lots of long term health problems by raising bad LDL and reducing good HDL cholesterol making heart disease and strokes more likely. I'm not aware of any similar EU regulation although some individual EU countries like Denmark have banned them. 

[Rods2]

In fairness Rods Heath  didn't take us into the EU he took us into the EEC which has over time steadily morphed into the EU which in turn if it continues will steadily morph into the German Empire.

Unless something changes it can't become anything than a German empire as economics always long term triumphs over politics. With the adoption of the Euro all Euro countries agreed a monetary expansion & corresponding inflation rate. France stuck to the letter on this while Germany deliberately cheated so most Euro countries had a deficit with Germany, which means that to balance their books they either owe Germany money or have to sell assets to them. The EEC agreement the UK had on joining the EEC did the same to the UK with an immediate and ever growing deficit for the same reason.

For those that don't think they were warned on what would happen if we joined the EEC, well we were as this Peter Shore video below shows and what he says still fully applies today and Treason-weasel May is doing all she can to make sure we stay as a province of the EU where they continue to make our laws, decide our immigration rules and numbers and enforce their will on us through ECJ judgements.

2:48 short version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHIidBgwyTA

1:47.45 long version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ks5tmNwCY

[Mister Rog]

So, Trump tells May "He told me I should sue the EU - not go into negotiations."

Hmmmmmm, Trump for PM anyone ?   


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44838028

[STEMO]

Read in the news this morning that TM and senior cronies have had a secret agenda for the past year or so, and the negotiations that David Davies and his team were carrying out were just a smokescreen. DD was unaware of this, of course. Treason.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Certainly something that would probably have caused her and her cronies to fall on their swords, in the days when there was still a trace of honour in politics. She has played a very high stakes game of poker, and its still quite possible it could cost her, her job in the very near future.
I really hope it does. To describe her as useless is a deep insult to useless people everywhere.

[Bigron]

Albs, we need a historian like Lizzie to recall events from so far back as politicians with honour - IF they ever really existed?

Ron

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

One such man passed away this week at the age of 99.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-10/lord-carrington-churchill-s-last-surviving-minister-dies

[Lizzie Zoom]

Albs, we need a historian like Lizzie to recall events from so far back as politicians with honour - IF they ever really existed?

Ron

Well, no.  Even Oliver Cromwell was only out for himself, like so many Republicans, which the general population finally realised after his death in 1658. Two years later he was dug up as a traitor, executed at Tyburn, had his head cut off and it was placed on a pike outside Westminster Hall until 1685.  He was only in it for what he could gain, but I am a Royalist!

[Lizzie Zoom]

...........and then remember what Brutus did to poor Julius Caeser on 15th March 44BC!!

So politicians have only ever been out for themselves.........perhaps my hero Winston Churchill was the exception to the rule though, placing the country before himself

[Bigron]

Churchill was a traitor in my eyes, too.
I've remarked on here before about his subverting the ring-fenced Road Fund Licence that was created solely for road creation and maintenance and the monies so collected promised not to be used for any other purpose. That was the beginning of the use of motorists as cash cows, and we all know how it continued.   

Ron.

[Nick W]

Churchill was a traitor in my eyes, too.
I've remarked on here before about his subverting the ring-fenced Road Fund Licence that was created solely for road creation and maintenance and the monies so collected promised not to be used for any other purpose. That was the beginning of the use of motorists as cash cows, and we all know how it continued.   

Ron.

You do know that the RFL was introduced because the government at the time realised that there were thousands of extra road users that could now be easily identified! Introducing a tax specifically for that instance was bound to happen. And no tax will EVER be ring fenced, as governments don't account for their spending like that. If it ever changes, then we'll end up paying the equivalent of tolls for every mile we drive, and not only will that be more expensive, but the money STILL won't be spent on the transport network.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I just wish the would get rid of RFL and put it on the price of fuel. Business would fight it tooth and nail though.

[Bigron]

I can see how that would help you, Albs; you run on take-away oil! 

Ron.

[Sir Tigger KC]

So politicians have only ever been out for themselves.........

David Cameron being a good example of this as he wanted his legacy to be the man who kept Scotland in the Union and the UK in the EU. 

Shame the second bit went slightly wrong for him! 

[Nick W]

I just wish the would get rid of RFL and put it on the price of fuel. Business would fight it tooth and nail though.

So would everybody else when they realise just how expensive it is to use roads. Don't forget, tax is already the biggest cost in fuel, and a levy instead of RFL would always be in addition to that.

[Bigron]

EVERYBODY uses the roads either directly or indirectly (public transport, carriage of goods, etc.), so why not be honest about it and fund roads directly from general taxation?
That would not alter the amount needed to be collected by government, but at least it would be open and transparent instead of victimising motorists as a funding group.

Ron.

[Rods2]

I will make this clear with Theresa May's white paper #Brext there is NO #Brexit. Her threat to stop #Brexit if MPs don't fall into line is a meaningless lie. Likewise pretending she has some red lines is a bare faced lie. Now I will explain why:

The vital clause which means we never ever leave the EU are her weasels words of 'follow common rule book'. There is no such thing, only the EU rulebook and by implementing and complying with this now and in the future in its entirety means we don't ever leave the EU and become an independent country, we remain tied to Brussels and everyone of their rules and regulations with the deliberate trap of no representation on any EU rule changes. The EU as a political system is very adept in making new rules and regulations to suit their agenda and increasing the size and scope of regulations by area capture as part of their 'ever closer union' and don't think they won't do so to punish our #Brexit vote, they will, like all self-serving dictatorships it is in their DNA.

We CANNOT negotiate any FTAs with the rest of the world, so #Trump and the US ambassador are quite right there will be no US trade deal with them or with anybody else. If the EU decides to solve the Irish border by making us charge EU import tariffs they can do so, if they say for 'frictionless' trade we must accept complete freedom of movement of people we will, both so called meaningless red lines of Traitor May. This is a total sellout of #Brexit, that Traitor May has been planning in secret with her traitor civil servants of her European Unit for the last year and don't mistake it as anything else.

IMO where this will lead to next April is that Traitor May will apply for us to rejoin the EU, to 'regain representation within the EU' with NO opt outs which will mean the Euro, no rebate so we are the single biggest net contributor and full implementation of Schengen  which will mean regular 'awayday' terrorist attacks from terrorists based in mainland Europe, where the UK is known as 'little satan' by islamic terrorists and their biggest target after the US.

Traitor May is a Remainer who fully intends to Remain. Make no mistake that this is anything other than the biggest betrayal of democracy and the electorate in our lifetime if allowed to stand. Personally, where I've come a political activist on social media over the last two years I understand how to use it and fully intend to do so with a campaign to punish the Conservative party for this betrayal of the 17.2m #Brexit majority. I fully understand how effective simple aims and slogans are in politics like Saatchi & Saatchi's "labour isn't working"  and don't lose sight that despite the full establishment's full use of resources to Remain, Leave's much more effective use of Social Media won the referendum, like it has #Trump his presidency. The aim at a minimum will be the Conservatives out of office for 28 years, like after Robert Peel (the ERM fiasco kept them out for 13 years from 1997-2010) or even better finish them for good like the Liberal party were after WWI and Lloyd George. They deserve this for this level of betrayal, if May does not face a leadership challenge over the next few weeks and this disgraceful and deceitful white paper is not overturned.

After CaMoron's deceit over saying he would give us a referendum on the Lisbon treaty and then backtracking as soon as elected. He never got my vote again, where I and many others tactically voted UKIP which forced his concession of the #Brexit referendum, we can do the same again.

This weekends poll's show the Cons down 6%, Liebour up 1% and UKIP up 5%, so this just punishment it is already starting and I will work with many others to make sure it gets much, much bigger.

[Raeturbo]

I voted UKIP too... seemed my only logical choice at the time. Looks like I will do it again too.