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« on: 22 January 2016, 12:39:16 »

We picked up the new car at 9:30 on Saturday 16th. Wifey has just received a NIP for speeding at 10:47 on Halifax road in Sheffield.  Fickin 17 minutes we'd had it!

Now the bit you'll like....I was driving  ;D

36 in a 30......hardly Lewis Hamilton. I could do a DBG type rant, but it was my fault (for not seeing the camera) and a day out on a course will be quite restful and, of course, educational.  :)
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« Reply #1 on: 22 January 2016, 12:43:31 »

Were you traced through your skid marks? ::)
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« Reply #2 on: 22 January 2016, 12:45:58 »

We picked up the new car at 9:30 on Saturday 16th. Wifey has just received a NIP for speeding at 10:47 on Halifax road in Sheffield.  Fickin 17 minutes we'd had it!

Now the bit you'll like....I was driving  ;D

36 in a 30......hardly Lewis Hamilton. I could do a DBG type rant, but it was my fault (for not seeing the camera) and a day out on a course will be quite restful and, of course, educational.  :)


....and expensive. :)
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« Reply #3 on: 22 January 2016, 12:46:13 »

We picked up the new car at 9:30 on Saturday 16th. Wifey has just received a NIP for speeding at 10:47 on Halifax road in Sheffield.  Fickin 17 minutes we'd had it!

Now the bit you'll like....I was driving  ;D

36 in a 30......hardly Lewis Hamilton. I could do a DBG type rant, but it was my fault (for not seeing the camera) and a day out on a course will be quite restful and, of course, educational.  :)


I have no idea what you're talking about  ::)  ;D
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« Reply #4 on: 22 January 2016, 12:47:57 »

We picked up the new car at 9:30 on Saturday 16th. Wifey has just received a NIP for speeding at 10:47 on Halifax road in Sheffield.  Fickin 17 minutes we'd had it!

Now the bit you'll like....I was driving  ;D

36 in a 30......hardly Lewis Hamilton. I could do a DBG type rant, but it was my fault (for not seeing the camera) and a day out on a course will be quite restful and, of course, educational.  :)


....and expensive. :)
A whole day out....on my own.....priceless.
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« Reply #5 on: 22 January 2016, 12:50:43 »

Never mind , as you say educational did one a few years back when I got done in our Subaru saw the van but braked too late, think it cost £60 but no points .
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« Reply #6 on: 22 January 2016, 13:04:41 »

Were you traced through your skid marks? ::)

I guess they were hanging on the line clean by the time they checked  ;D
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« Reply #7 on: 22 January 2016, 13:07:37 »

Were you traced through your skid marks? ::)
You can talk  ;D
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« Reply #8 on: 22 January 2016, 13:08:04 »

Easily done when you're not used to the raw power of a Renault Captur!  ::)
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« Reply #9 on: 22 January 2016, 13:09:08 »

Easily done when you're not used to the raw power of a Renault Captur!  ::)
Yes....I was doing 36 before I even got to 5th gear. Lightning fast.  ;D
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« Reply #10 on: 22 January 2016, 13:09:16 »

Easily done when you're not used to the raw power of a Renault Captur!  ::)

900 cc's worth aren't they  ::) ::)
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« Reply #11 on: 22 January 2016, 13:10:08 »

Easily done when you're not used to the raw power of a Renault Captur!  ::)

900 cc's worth aren't they  ::) ::)
Some of them are.....some of the aren't.
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« Reply #12 on: 22 January 2016, 13:14:30 »

Easily done when you're not used to the raw power of a Renault Captur!  ::)

900 cc's worth aren't they  ::) ::)
Some of them are.....some of the aren't.

Are they? S-in-L has one, that and the Renault badge on the front and back is enough to put me off  ::) ::) ;D
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« Reply #13 on: 22 January 2016, 13:14:48 »

We picked up the new car at 9:30 on Saturday 16th. Wifey has just received a NIP for speeding at 10:47 on Halifax road in Sheffield.  Fickin 17 minutes we'd had it!

Now the bit you'll like....I was driving  ;D

36 in a 30......hardly Lewis Hamilton. I could do a DBG type rant, but it was my fault (for not seeing the camera) and a day out on a course will be quite restful and, of course, educational.  :)

Not true...   you were done for driving too fast .. not for lack of observation ...
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« Reply #14 on: 22 January 2016, 13:16:06 »

We picked up the new car at 9:30 on Saturday 16th. Wifey has just received a NIP for speeding at 10:47 on Halifax road in Sheffield.  Fickin 17 minutes we'd had it!

Now the bit you'll like....I was driving  ;D

36 in a 30......hardly Lewis Hamilton. I could do a DBG type rant, but it was my fault (for not seeing the camera) and a day out on a course will be quite restful and, of course, educational.  :)

Not true...   you were done for driving too fast .. not for lack of observation ...
Yes, Nige, but it was a little jok........oh......it's you........never mind.
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« Reply #15 on: 22 January 2016, 13:19:56 »

Easily done when you're not used to the raw power of a Renault Captur!  ::)

900 cc's worth aren't they  ::) ::)
Some of them are.....some of the aren't.

Are they? S-in-L has one, that and the Renault badge on the front and back is enough to put me off  ::) ::) ;D
Yeah....better watch out it doesn't need a new inner tube.  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: 22 January 2016, 13:29:20 »

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Yeah....better watch out it doesn't need a new inner tube.  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D touche  :y
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« Reply #17 on: 22 January 2016, 13:37:38 »

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« Reply #18 on: 22 January 2016, 13:44:45 »

Were you traced through your skid marks? ::)
You can talk  ;D

I am yet to soil a bed, despite of my medical condition.

Come close a few times ::)
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« Reply #19 on: 22 January 2016, 13:53:49 »

We picked up the new car at 9:30 on Saturday 16th. Wifey has just received a NIP for speeding at 10:47 on Halifax road in Sheffield.  Fickin 17 minutes we'd had it!

Now the bit you'll like....I was driving  ;D

36 in a 30......hardly Lewis Hamilton. I could do a DBG type rant, but it was my fault (for not seeing the camera) and a day out on a course will be quite restful and, of course, educational.  :)


....and expensive. :)

On the contrary, as when I did the course it was ten pounds cheaper than the fine. Sooo, with no points and saving a tenner it was a no brainer.   ;) :)
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« Reply #20 on: 22 January 2016, 14:50:19 »

We picked up the new car at 9:30 on Saturday 16th. Wifey has just received a NIP for speeding at 10:47 on Halifax road in Sheffield.  Fickin 17 minutes we'd had it!

Now the bit you'll like....I was driving  ;D

36 in a 30......hardly Lewis Hamilton. I could do a DBG type rant, but it was my fault (for not seeing the camera) and a day out on a course will be quite restful and, of course, educational.  :)

I did the same thing when testing the Omega before purchase back in 2002 - missed a camera notice on A4 at Thatcham and a few months later they traced me via the dealer. If I had not bought the car I would have got away with it because they took no details and let me out with car on my own
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« Reply #21 on: 22 January 2016, 17:06:25 »

Average cost these days is about £110
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« Reply #22 on: 22 January 2016, 18:07:35 »

Mine was £82 for the course a couple of years ago, £7 more than the fine and tied it in with a trip to Nigel Langs....not the cheapest day out  ;D
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« Reply #23 on: 22 January 2016, 18:37:34 »

Mine was £82 for the course a couple of years ago, £7 more than the fine and tied it in with a trip to Nigel Langs....not the cheapest day out  ;D
Bet the trip home was frustrating :D
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« Reply #24 on: 22 January 2016, 18:38:17 »

Mine was £82 for the course a couple of years ago, £7 more than the fine and tied it in with a trip to Nigel Langs....not the cheapest day out  ;D

Mine was £90 for the course and the fine had just gone up to £100, so good timing on my part.  ::) ;D
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« Reply #25 on: 22 January 2016, 18:41:53 »

Mine was £82 for the course a couple of years ago, £7 more than the fine and tied it in with a trip to Nigel Langs....not the cheapest day out  ;D
Bet the trip home was frustrating :D

Yeah you could say that  ;D
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« Reply #26 on: 23 January 2016, 11:55:38 »

I paid the £70.

I've been driving for almost 40 years and object to some girlie telling me how to drive.

.......and no I wasn't sorry for my 'dangerous' driving.......a full 39 mph in a 30 limit.
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« Reply #27 on: 23 January 2016, 19:22:01 »

I paid the £70.

I've been driving for almost 40 years and object to some girlie telling me how to drive.

.......and no I wasn't sorry for my 'dangerous' driving.......a full 39 mph in a 30 limit.

On the one I did in Bolton it was two Advanced driving instructors that made the course interesting and entertaining and I learnt some things  :y
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« Reply #28 on: 23 January 2016, 19:25:15 »

Well I hope they do Saturdays or it's three points for me.
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« Reply #29 on: 23 January 2016, 19:28:59 »

Well I hope they do Saturdays or it's three points for me.

Go on the website and it`ll tell you all the available venues and days, pretty sure Saturdays are covered.
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« Reply #30 on: 23 January 2016, 19:31:04 »

Well I hope they do Saturdays or it's three points for me.

Go on the website and it`ll tell you all the available venues and days, pretty sure Saturdays are covered.
It'll be a while, yet, Gav, haven't even sent the form back to say I was driving yet. It came in the wife's name as the car is registered to her. At least I know the dealer sent the V5 off pretty quick.
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« Reply #31 on: 24 January 2016, 05:39:31 »

Well I hope they do Saturdays or it's three points for me.

Go on the website and it`ll tell you all the available venues and days, pretty sure Saturdays are covered.
It'll be a while, yet, Gav, haven't even sent the form back to say I was driving yet. It came in the wife's name as the car is registered to her. At least I know the dealer sent the V5 off pretty quick.
Probably done online :-\
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« Reply #32 on: 24 January 2016, 15:17:04 »

Well I hope they do Saturdays or it's three points for me.

Go on the website and it`ll tell you all the available venues and days, pretty sure Saturdays are covered.
It'll be a while, yet, Gav, haven't even sent the form back to say I was driving yet. It came in the wife's name as the car is registered to her. At least I know the dealer sent the V5 off pretty quick.

Whoaaaa. If the letter/NIP is addressed to your wife and it was you driving, then SHE must fill it in nominating you as the driver. The rozzers will then send YOU your own NIP with your name on it. You cannot use her form to claim you were driving.

She has 28 days to respond and supply all the requested information - in this case by nominating the driver (i.e. You). Normal Pepipoo advice is to wait until about day 25 to respond. Take it to a Post Office, pay for a 1st class stamp, and get proof of posting and keep it. Do not miss the 28 day deadline.
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« Reply #33 on: 24 January 2016, 16:08:07 »

Well I hope they do Saturdays or it's three points for me.

Go on the website and it`ll tell you all the available venues and days, pretty sure Saturdays are covered.
It'll be a while, yet, Gav, haven't even sent the form back to say I was driving yet. It came in the wife's name as the car is registered to her. At least I know the dealer sent the V5 off pretty quick.

Whoaaaa. If the letter/NIP is addressed to your wife and it was you driving, then SHE must fill it in nominating you as the driver. The rozzers will then send YOU your own NIP with your name on it. You cannot use her form to claim you were driving.

She has 28 days to respond and supply all the requested information - in this case by nominating the driver (i.e. You). Normal Pepipoo advice is to wait until about day 25 to respond. Take it to a Post Office, pay for a 1st class stamp, and get proof of posting and keep it. Do not miss the 28 day deadline.
Yes...I know all that, but thanks anyway. ::) Mine, sorry, the wife's, form will be posted tomorrow by me. Why wait 25 days to send it off? It's a poxy course that's got to be done no matter when you send the letter back.

Never heard of pepicrap though  ;D
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« Reply #34 on: 24 January 2016, 16:37:02 »

Whoaaaa. If the letter/NIP is addressed to your wife and it was you driving, then SHE must fill it in nominating you as the driver. The rozzers will then send YOU your own NIP with your name on it. You cannot use her form to claim you were driving.

She has 28 days to respond and supply all the requested information - in this case by nominating the driver (i.e. You). Normal Pepipoo advice is to wait until about day 25 to respond. Take it to a Post Office, pay for a 1st class stamp, and get proof of posting and keep it. Do not miss the 28 day deadline.
Yes...I know all that, but thanks anyway. ::) Mine, sorry, the wife's, form will be posted tomorrow by me. Why wait 25 days to send it off? It's a poxy course that's got to be done no matter when you send the letter back.

Never heard of pepicrap though  ;D

You wait 25 days because the rozzers have several time deadlines that they have to meet in order to be able to successfully prosecute you.

The first deadline is that they have to serve the NIP on the registered keeper (RK) within 14 days of the date of the offense. They get the RK details from DVLA. However, where there has been a recent change of keeper things can get tricky. They might have served the notice on the previous owner, or the dealer. In either case, the dealer/previous owner would have nominated your wife, and then the rozzers wrote to her.  Or if the DVLA details had been updated promptly, then your wife may have the first to receive a NIP.

So basically, what was the date of the offense, what is the date on the NIP, and on what date did she receive the NIP? Also what sort of postage was on the envelope - 1st class?

The next deadline is that papers have to be laid before the courts within 6 months of the date of an offense for a crime to be tried by magistrates. So suppose they issued  NIP #1 to the original owner (2 weeks) who replied promptly (1 week) saying I sold the car to "Arfur Daley Motors inc". The scamera pratnership take a week to send NIP #2 to "Arfur Daley Motors inc", who promptly reply (1 week) nominating your wife. So we're now 5 weeks into the 6 months (26 weeks).

The scamera pratnership take a week to send a NIP #3 to your wife. Your wife then has 4 weeks to reply which she takes. So we're now 10 weeks in.

The scamera pratnership take a week to send a NIP #4 to you. You then have 4 weeks to reply grassing yourself up, which you take. So we're now 15 weeks in.

The scamera pratnership take a week to send a CoFP/Course to you. You then have 4 weeks to reply, which you take. So we're now 20 weeks in.

There are an awful lot of ifs and buts, but by doing the above you are giving the scamera pratnership every opportunity to screw up. It only take a week or too here and there for them to run out of time to lay the papers - and you are doing nothing wrong.
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« Reply #35 on: 24 January 2016, 17:22:56 »

Right....that's good...if you want to try and dodge the penalty. I don't.  :)
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« Reply #36 on: 24 January 2016, 17:29:14 »

Right....that's good...if you want to try and dodge the penalty. I don't.  :)

You mean if you want the authorities to comply with the laws that they are claiming you broke?

There is no guarantee that you will be offered a course (though I suspect you will be). And you will be using your "get out of jail free" card which can't be used again for (IIRC) another three years. However, if you're determined to plead guilty to a criminal charge for which you may not be guilty, then go right ahead.
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« Reply #37 on: 24 January 2016, 17:30:45 »

Right....that's good...if you want to try and dodge the penalty. I don't.  :)

You mean if you want the authorities to comply with the laws that they are claiming you broke?

There is no guarantee that you will be offered a course (though I suspect you will be). And you will be using your "get out of jail free" card which can't be used again for (IIRC) another three years. However, if you're determined to plead guilty to a criminal charge for which you may not be guilty, then go right ahead.
I broke the speed limit.......no ifs or buts.

And I posted the letter today.
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« Reply #38 on: 24 January 2016, 17:38:57 »

I broke the speed limit.......no ifs or buts.

And I posted the letter today.

The law states that to be guilty of the offense you have to have broken the speed limit, AND be served a NIP within time, AND a multitude of other things. If you're happy to be convicted on the basis of meeting just one of the criteria, then OK.
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« Reply #39 on: 24 January 2016, 18:00:26 »

Right....that's good...if you want to try and dodge the penalty. I don't.  :)

You mean if you want the authorities to comply with the laws that they are claiming you broke?

There is no guarantee that you will be offered a course (though I suspect you will be). And you will be using your "get out of jail free" card which can't be used again for (IIRC) another three years. However, if you're determined to plead guilty to a criminal charge for which you may not be guilty, then go right ahead.
I broke the speed limit.......no ifs or buts.

And I posted the letter today.

Fair play Esty... Seems those of us that are willing to say "Yup, I did it" are getting few and far between  ::)
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« Reply #40 on: 24 January 2016, 18:05:59 »

I'm with LD and Stemo himself on this.He's broken the law[speeding],he's been caught doing so and he's man enough to own up,admit it and take the punishment.fair play to him :y
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« Reply #41 on: 24 January 2016, 18:15:12 »

Yep fair play to Uncle STEMO!  :y

Personally I'd be looking at all the loopholes and ways to wriggle out of it, but then I'm not as manly as STEMO!  :P  :-*  ;D
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« Reply #42 on: 24 January 2016, 18:16:39 »

Yep fair play to Uncle STEMO!  :y

Personally I'd be looking at all the loopholes and ways to wriggle out of it, but then I'm not as manly as STEMO!  :P  :-*  ;D
No. You can't even evict a pissed-up girlie. ;D
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« Reply #43 on: 24 January 2016, 18:19:52 »

Yep fair play to Uncle STEMO!  :y

Personally I'd be looking at all the loopholes and ways to wriggle out of it, but then I'm not as manly as STEMO!  :P  :-*  ;D
No. You can't even evict a pissed-up girlie. ;D
Won't need to if she goes to prison ::)
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« Reply #44 on: 24 January 2016, 18:20:55 »

Yep fair play to Uncle STEMO!  :y

Personally I'd be looking at all the loopholes and ways to wriggle out of it, but then I'm not as manly as STEMO!  :P  :-*  ;D
No. You can't even evict a pissed-up girlie. ;D

Like your good self Uncle STEMO, I respect the law of the land!  :y
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« Reply #45 on: 24 January 2016, 18:21:36 »

Yep fair play to Uncle STEMO!  :y

Personally I'd be looking at all the loopholes and ways to wriggle out of it, but then I'm not as manly as STEMO!  :P  :-*  ;D
No. You can't even evict a pissed-up girlie. ;D
Won't need to if she goes to prison ::)
Oh yes he will. Even if it's just on paper, without the physical kick up the arse.
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« Reply #46 on: 24 January 2016, 18:23:05 »

And even then, she could fight it if she chose to.
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« Reply #47 on: 24 January 2016, 18:34:59 »

And even then, she could fight it if she chose to.
Paying the rent with no income could be Interesting fun...

If Sir Tigger is game...
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« Reply #48 on: 24 January 2016, 18:40:55 »

And even then, she could fight it if she chose to.
Paying the rent with no income could be Interesting fun...

If Sir Tigger is game...
It's just not that simple....people have rights.
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« Reply #50 on: 24 January 2016, 18:51:39 »

I don't think it will come to court action to be honest.  Well hopefully not anyway... ::)
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« Reply #51 on: 24 January 2016, 19:55:41 »

And even then, she could fight it if she chose to.
Paying the rent with no income could be Interesting fun...

If Sir Tigger is game...
It's just not that simple....people have rights.

A right not to be mown down by pi$$ed up stupid tarts behind the wheel, for a start. ::)
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« Reply #52 on: 24 January 2016, 20:17:58 »

And even then, she could fight it if she chose to.
Paying the rent with no income could be Interesting fun...

If Sir Tigger is game...
It's just not that simple....people have rights.
That's not quite what I meant ::)
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« Reply #53 on: 24 January 2016, 20:22:55 »

And even then, she could fight it if she chose to.
Paying the rent with no income could be Interesting fun...

If Sir Tigger is game...
It's just not that simple....people have rights.

A right not to be mown down by pi$$ed up stupid tarts behind the wheel, for a start. ::)




I think you'll find that morons have the right to behave like oppswits all the time. Keeping out of their way is entirely your responsibility.
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« Reply #54 on: 24 January 2016, 22:15:50 »

Whoaaaa. If the letter/NIP is addressed to your wife and it was you driving, then SHE must fill it in nominating you as the driver. The rozzers will then send YOU your own NIP with your name on it. You cannot use her form to claim you were driving.

She has 28 days to respond and supply all the requested information - in this case by nominating the driver (i.e. You). Normal Pepipoo advice is to wait until about day 25 to respond. Take it to a Post Office, pay for a 1st class stamp, and get proof of posting and keep it. Do not miss the 28 day deadline.




Never heard of pepicrap though  ;D

You wait 25 days because the rozzers have several time deadlines that they have to meet in order to be able to successfully prosecute you.

The first deadline is that they have to serve the NIP on the registered keeper (RK) within 14 days of the date of the offense. They get the RK details from DVLA. However, where there has been a recent change of keeper things can get tricky. They might have served the notice on the previous owner, or the dealer. In either case, the dealer/previous owner would have nominated your wife, and then the rozzers wrote to her.  Or if the DVLA details had been updated promptly, then your wife may have the first to receive a NIP.

So basically, what was the date of the offense, what is the date on the NIP, and on what date did she receive the NIP? Also what sort of postage was on the envelope - 1st class?

The next deadline is that papers have to be laid before the courts within 6 months of the date of an offense for a crime to be tried by magistrates. So suppose they issued  NIP #1 to the original owner (2 weeks) who replied promptly (1 week) saying I sold the car to "Arfur Daley Motors inc". The scamera pratnership take a week to send NIP #2 to "Arfur Daley Motors inc", who promptly reply (1 week) nominating your wife. So we're now 5 weeks into the 6 months (26 weeks).

The scamera pratnership take a week to send a NIP #3 to your wife. Your wife then has 4 weeks to reply which she takes. So we're now 10 weeks in.

The scamera pratnership take a week to send a NIP #4 to you. You then have 4 weeks to reply grassing yourself up, which you take. So we're now 15 weeks in.

The scamera pratnership take a week to send a CoFP/Course to you. You then have 4 weeks to reply, which you take. So we're now 20 weeks in.

There are an awful lot of ifs and buts, but by doing the above you are giving the scamera pratnership every opportunity to screw up. It only take a week or too here and there for them to run out of time to lay the papers - and you are doing nothing wrong.



Its good, but there is a glaring hole in your case for the defence  ??? ??? ???


One which I'll keep to myself and have used many a time when this happens  ;) ;) :-X :-X :-X
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« Reply #55 on: 24 January 2016, 23:56:02 »

Failure to notify or being deliberately obstructive could see both the registered keeper and driver getting points regardless.

Notwithstanding that the mere issuing of the NIP constitutes notification... ie they are automatically generated and posted ::) The onus is on the receiver to prove that they never received it.
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« Reply #56 on: 25 January 2016, 01:42:09 »

Failure to notify or being deliberately obstructive could see both the registered keeper and driver getting points regardless.

I fully agree. However the law allows you 28 days to respond to a postal NIP/S172, so taking 25 days to comply cannot be construed as obstructive. I suspect what Jason is being coy about is a verbal S172 where you don't get 28 days - and you might not even get 28 minutes to respond.

Notwithstanding that the mere issuing of the NIP constitutes notification... ie they are automatically generated and posted ::) The onus is on the receiver to prove that they never received it.
Not strictly true - it's called a rebuttal presumption but I agree the effect is that you have to have some pretty good evidence as to why it never arrived (in time).

As for automatically generated - well someone is supposed to review the photos and not just issue NIP's willy-nilly  ::). And someone has to enter the details from the NIP responses so that new NIP's are issued to the nominated person.  There is no requirement to use the form they supply, [Jones v DPP [2004] EWHC 236 (Admin), CO/5123/2003 May L J.. Nelson J.] so someone might have to read the multi-page letter supplying all the information requested by the chief of police. ::)

However, I doubt it's a good idea to pi55 of the SCP and mark yourself as a trouble maker if you're hoping for a timeout.

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« Reply #57 on: 25 January 2016, 10:16:07 »

Failure to notify or being deliberately obstructive could see both the registered keeper and driver getting points regardless.

I fully agree. However the law allows you 28 days to respond to a postal NIP/S172, so taking 25 days to comply cannot be construed as obstructive. I suspect what Jason is being coy about is a verbal S172 where you don't get 28 days - and you might not even get 28 minutes to respond.

Notwithstanding that the mere issuing of the NIP constitutes notification... ie they are automatically generated and posted ::) The onus is on the receiver to prove that they never received it.
Not strictly true - it's called a rebuttal presumption but I agree the effect is that you have to have some pretty good evidence as to why it never arrived (in time).

As for automatically generated - well someone is supposed to review the photos and not just issue NIP's willy-nilly  ::). And someone has to enter the details from the NIP responses so that new NIP's are issued to the nominated person.  There is no requirement to use the form they supply, [Jones v DPP [2004] EWHC 236 (Admin), CO/5123/2003 May L J.. Nelson J.] so someone might have to read the multi-page letter supplying all the information requested by the chief of police. ::)

However, I doubt it's a good idea to pi55 of the SCP and mark yourself as a trouble maker if you're hoping for a timeout.


Nope not what I was on about at all. Thing I'm on about is more common sense approach than anything. I've done people for speeding on several occasions well after 6 months have gone by. The last one was 13 months.
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« Reply #58 on: 25 January 2016, 11:03:06 »

Nope not what I was on about at all. Thing I'm on about is more common sense approach than anything. I've done people for speeding on several occasions well after 6 months have gone by. The last one was 13 months.

It took you that long to find a working BMW to catch up with them?  :P
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« Reply #59 on: 25 January 2016, 12:27:13 »

Nope not what I was on about at all. Thing I'm on about is more common sense approach than anything. I've done people for speeding on several occasions well after 6 months have gone by. The last one was 13 months.

It took you that long to find a working BMW to catch up with them?  :P

Nope... Took him that long to grab the Volvo keys ::) :D
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« Reply #60 on: 25 January 2016, 16:57:27 »

Nope not what I was on about at all. Thing I'm on about is more common sense approach than anything. I've done people for speeding on several occasions well after 6 months have gone by. The last one was 13 months.

It took you that long to find a working BMW to catch up with them?  :P

I'm saying nowt  :-X :-X :-X My favoured BMW at the mo IS behaving itself after being off road for 3 months having the rear suspension rebuilt and major engine work done.  ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #61 on: 03 February 2016, 14:56:13 »

Course booked for Sat 23rd March (Easter Saturday), 9 till 1. A whole Saturday mornings entertainment for the reasonable price of £95.  ;D
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« Reply #62 on: 03 February 2016, 15:17:51 »

Course booked for Sat 23rd March (Easter Saturday), 9 till 1. A whole Saturday mornings entertainment for the reasonable price of £95.  ;D

That'll teach you not to be a naughty boy in future. ;)
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« Reply #63 on: 03 February 2016, 16:02:42 »

Course booked for Sat 23rd March (Easter Saturday), 9 till 1. A whole Saturday mornings entertainment for the reasonable price of £95.  ;D

Bloody hell mate!  :o That's cheap, especially for a weekend day.
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« Reply #64 on: 03 February 2016, 16:32:54 »

Course booked for Sat 23rd March (Easter Saturday), 9 till 1. A whole Saturday mornings entertainment for the reasonable price of £95.  ;D

Bloody hell mate!  :o That's cheap, especially for a weekend day.
This is Yorkshire, we like a bargain. ;D
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« Reply #65 on: 03 February 2016, 16:38:38 »

Just looked at our website, at Cheshire they are £85  :P :P :P
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« Reply #66 on: 03 February 2016, 17:21:00 »

Just looked at our website, at Cheshire they are £85  :P :P :P

They are/were in Lancashire too ... apparently!   ::) ::)
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« Reply #67 on: 03 February 2016, 17:45:45 »

It does say that prices vary from £85-£105, depending on location and provider.
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« Reply #68 on: 03 February 2016, 18:24:38 »

Still cheaper than taking the family to the cinema ::)
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