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[Sir Tigger KC]

Seeing as there ain't enough electricity to go round, I think I'll hang on to an ICE car as long as possible so all you old codgers can trundle around in your electric shopping trolleys! 

[Nick W]

So what happens to all these 8.4yr old cars when they get to 8.5yr old?

Is it a case of prangs write them off?  Or trade in companies just scrap them?  Or there is sufficient money in break-in them to make them worthwhile?

Notice that the article was published by the SMMT, which exists solely to increase the profile of the motor industry and its hangers-on. Buy a new car is their solution to every 'problem' that is put before them, and always will be. Pollution from the manufacture and dismantling of a vehicle is a significant part of its overall figures, especially if the life is short. That ought to be obvious to anyone with a brain, but is usually ignored by politicians and masked by the industry.


Trading in used cars is an essential part of large fleet financing, who buy cars at well below the price that retail buyers can, and move them on when they're still attractive propositions for for the nearly new market.

[TheBoy]

Pollution from the manufacture and dismantling of a vehicle is a significant part of its overall figures, especially if the life is short. That ought to be obvious to anyone with a brain, but is usually ignored by politicians and masked by the industry.

No, no, no.

Sell your 1 year old petrol car that you bought, get it crushed, and buy a plug-in electric one, because that's better for the environment.  Especially when VW proudly claim their tizzy cars are made carbon neutral.



And people believe it.  Because the British public is beyond thick and stupid.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Manufacturing and end of life process of the batteries for milk floats seems to be about us environmentally unfriendly a process as you can get. 

[Nick W]

Manufacturing and end of life process of the batteries for milk floats seems to be about us environmentally unfriendly a process as you can get. 

The car is no different. Motors aren't too bad to recycle, and the batteries are full of expensive, hard to find and dangerous chemicals which need to be recovered. We've been rebuilding and recycling lead acid batteries for over a century for exactly those reasons.


If this EV requirement does work the way it's supposed to, I predict that its demise after about 20-30 years will be the lack of lithium and other battery constituents. But that's SEP, so nobody currently cares enough to think about consequences of forced, inadequately thought through change.

[STEMO]

Pollution from the manufacture and dismantling of a vehicle is a significant part of its overall figures, especially if the life is short. That ought to be obvious to anyone with a brain, but is usually ignored by politicians and masked by the industry.

No, no, no.

Sell your 1 year old petrol car that you bought, get it crushed, and buy a plug-in electric one, because that's better for the environment.  Especially when VW proudly claim their tizzy cars are made carbon neutral.



And people believe it.  Because the British public is beyond thick and stupid.

No, they don't believe it, and a significant majority don't care either. That's why, despite the various organisations reporting the % increase in sales of EVs, the actual figures are very, very low. Much better to say that sales of EVs increased by 50% than to say they increased from 80 to 120 

[Nick W]

Pollution from the manufacture and dismantling of a vehicle is a significant part of its overall figures, especially if the life is short. That ought to be obvious to anyone with a brain, but is usually ignored by politicians and masked by the industry.

No, no, no.

Sell your 1 year old petrol car that you bought, get it crushed, and buy a plug-in electric one, because that's better for the environment.  Especially when VW proudly claim their tizzy cars are made carbon neutral.



And people believe it.  Because the British public is beyond thick and stupid.

No, they don't believe it, and a significant majority don't care either. That's why, despite the various organisations reporting the % increase in sales of EVs, the actual figures are very, very low. Much better to say that sales of EVs increased by 50% than to say they increased from 80 to 120 

Some of them are not able to buy new cars.


Many of those who are able will not pay a lot more for something that is less capable and harder to use than what they already own. Which is an excellent reason.

[Rangie]

16 year old Subaru Forester 1 previous owner from new ( elderly neighbour) now showing 45,000 miles never had a repair only service items and consumables IE wipers/tyres & still looks like a 3 year old vehicle.
13 year old Range Rover Sport TDV8 now showing 95,000 miles two previous owners, comprehensive service history, and without a doubt the most comfortable vehicle that I've ever driven, spent around £1100 on it at a specialist bringing it up to my standard so intend keeping it for several years yet, certainly wouldn't spend more than £10,000 on purchasing a vehicle now.

[Viral_Jim]

Once my near-daily requirement for an estate that can tow things is done, I will have another milk float. The government incentives with company car tax mean it's a complete no brained if you're looking to do a lot of miles and pay income tax.

In my case, I could be doing 20,000 miles a year in a Tesla Model 3 for £400pcm including tax insurance and fuel. I honestly doubt many EVs are sold to private individuals, but for fleets they make a lot of sense at the moment.