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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Not in my book, I want to float over bumps! Like in a Citroen C6 with that odd suspension setup.

But you think that an Omega on 180k mile suspension handles well

The shocks will have gone so it will be bouncing along on it's springs. Lovely and soft.

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At 180k miles, both shocks and springs are overdue replacement.But the thing that we've allowed modern suspension designers to forget is that soft doesn't mean uncontrolled. Try an older Jag for this; they have long travel, soft(ish) springs and dampers that are perfectly matched. That gives predictable handling and a comfortable ride that combined allow plenty of feel. They're not encumbered by overwide stupidly hard tyres either, which lack a progressive feel and do the ride no favours

Original XJ6 of 1968 was known for a supple ride but excellent handling.

[Nick W]

Not in my book, I want to float over bumps! Like in a Citroen C6 with that odd suspension setup.

But you think that an Omega on 180k mile suspension handles well

The shocks will have gone so it will be bouncing along on it's springs. Lovely and soft.

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At 180k miles, both shocks and springs are overdue replacement.But the thing that we've allowed modern suspension designers to forget is that soft doesn't mean uncontrolled. Try an older Jag for this; they have long travel, soft(ish) springs and dampers that are perfectly matched. That gives predictable handling and a comfortable ride that combined allow plenty of feel. They're not encumbered by overwide stupidly hard tyres either, which lack a progressive feel and do the ride no favours

Original XJ6 of 1968 was known for a supple ride but excellent handling.

Exactly. The designers allow the car to roll as well, but it's  well controlled.

[TheBoy]

which had the 18" wheels on. It was instantly noticeable that the ride was more cushioned with the higher profile tyres on, but me being me I went back to the 19's as they look nicer. 

And you're a lunatic reformed driver....

[YZ250]

which had the 18" wheels on. It was instantly noticeable that the ride was more cushioned with the higher profile tyres on, but me being me I went back to the 19's as they look nicer. 

And you're a lunatic reformed driver....

The 4 series low centre of gravity and responsiveness to steering input is like a go-kart. It holds its line abnormally well, so when you press on around a roundabout it doesn't understeer like the Omega and feels like it's glued to the road. You aim and it will go, or so I've been told. 

But, I agree, it doesn't like speed humps or pot holes. When you hit a large pot hole it feels like the wheel must have shattered and it's at times like this that you notice the harshness of the ride.

[TheBoy]

so when you press on around a roundabout it doesn't understeer like the Omega

I managed to dial that out of my MV6 and make it very pointy, which is probably one of the (many) reasons I loved that car.  But it did leave me driving it far too quickly *ALL* the time 

[Viral_Jim]

Finally got chance to watch the video. Good to see that BMW have managed to come up with something wrong wheel drive, that's slower, uglier but has better iphonepodpad functionality.

Oh and it's more expensive than its predecessor. Such progress. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Finally got chance to watch the video. Good to see that BMW have managed to come up with something wrong wheel drive, that's slower, uglier but has better iphonepodpad functionality.

Oh and it's more expensive than its predecessor. Such progress. 

Ah.....but this new model can go a week without needing the AA man.....

[Viral_Jim]

I'll believe that when I see it.

[YZ250]

Finally got chance to watch the video. Good to see that BMW have managed to come up with something wrong wheel drive, that's slower, uglier but has better iphonepodpad functionality.

Oh and it's more expensive than its predecessor. Such progress. 

I honestly haven't read a good word yet about the exterior design of the new 1 series, apart from owners of 140i's as it has just made their car more desirable.    It's like the designer is deliberately trying to morph it in to a Kia/Hyundai style vehicle.
Also, what the hell are they doing with the model numbers, the 330ie is a 2.0 4 pot, the 530e is a 2.0 4 pot with additional electric motors and they appear to have dropped their best petrol engine, the straight six.
At the moment they still do the far superior straight six diesel, but if they stick that hideous grill on the other models they will be driving more people away. 

[Kevin Wood]

Everything on the road* will soon be a 2.0 4 pot.

It's BMW's antiquated numbering system that will change if anything.

* - apart from the 1.0 4 pots.

[Nick W]

Everything on the road* will soon be a 2.0 4 pot.

It's BMW's antiquated numbering system that will change if anything.

* - apart from the 1.0 4 pots.

worse than that, the 1.0 triples. Which are already here, and are shit.

[Kevin Wood]

Oh, yes, I forgot about those.