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[Varche]

On Sky news this morning they had an item on ordinary folk stockpiling food in readiness for supply problems after 29th March. It was dried and tinned goods they were buying. Pasta, rice, tinned tuna. I can see problems for a while with fresh produce like lettuces, tomatoes and other salad stuff held up in the inevitable queues at Calais caused by officialdom/ yellow jackets/striking French farmers/bloody mindedness (delete as appropriate)

more Project Fear?
sensible?

Does anyone on the forum know someone stockpiling foodstuffs because of Brexit?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Brexit has been a total cluster f*ck but we'll be fine.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

On Sky news this morning they had an item on ordinary folk stockpiling food in readiness for supply problems after 29th March. It was dried and tinned goods they were buying. Pasta, rice, tinned tuna. I can see problems for a while with fresh produce like lettuces, tomatoes and other salad stuff held up in the inevitable queues at Calais caused by officialdom/ yellow jackets/striking French farmers/bloody mindedness (delete as appropriate)

more Project Fear?
sensible?

Does anyone on the forum know someone stockpiling foodstuffs because of Brexit?

No, not personally......but I did hear an old woman in the supermarket moaning that brexit would be worse than the blitz.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Fickin idiots. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Fickin idiots. 

Don't worry, Mr Bitz. I'm sure Theresa has it all under control.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I thought about getting a few tins of spam in. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I thought about getting a few tins of spam in. 

Apparently stands for Special Processed American Meat......or luncheon meat to us Brits.


Either way it is processed crap.

[dave the builder]

Can't hurt to have a stockpile of food,drink,fuel,weapons etc just in case 
I survived the millennium bug ,plaster shortage etc because I was prepared 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Can't hurt to have a stockpile of food,drink,fuel,weapons etc just in case 
I survived the millennium bug ,plaster shortage etc because I was prepared 

You're not one of those 'good ol boys' from the US of A, are you?

[Lizzie Zoom]

I thought about getting a few tins of spam in. 

Apparently stands for Special Processed American Meat......or luncheon meat to us Brits.


Either way it is processed crap.

Oh yes, the yanks will always be there to save us!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I thought about getting a few tins of spam in. 

Apparently stands for Special Processed American Meat......or luncheon meat to us Brits.


Either way it is processed crap.

Oh yes, the yanks will always be there to save us!

For a price, Lizzie.

Do we still owe money borrowed from the US during WW2?.........

[Sir Tigger KC]

I was thinking about this the other day when I was in Tesco's, so started looking at where stuff comes from. 

While it's true that a lot of produce like salads do come from the EU, there was a substantial amount of fresh meat and veg from UK producers and also from the rest of the world. 

I found veggies from Kenya, Peru and Ghana, fruit from South Africa and New Zealand, fish from Vietnam, corned beef from Brazil and wine from Australia, New Zealand, Chile and the USA.  That was from a quick one man cursory survey. 

When I was a kid we only ate salad in the summer, so if it all ends up rotting in the poly tunnels of Andalucia due to the incompetence of politicians on both sides of the channel, I think we'll survive. 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Do we still owe money borrowed from the US during WW2?.........

Apparently we made the final payment of £45.5 million to the USA on 31st December 2005. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Do we still owe money borrowed from the US during WW2?.........

Apparently we made the final payment of £45.5 million to the USA on 31st December 2005. 

I doubt the interest rate was particularly favourable despite the so called 'special relationship'

[dave the builder]

Can't hurt to have a stockpile of food,drink,fuel,weapons etc just in case 
I survived the millennium bug ,plaster shortage etc because I was prepared 

You're not one of those 'good ol boys' from the US of A, are you?

Good God NO 

I'm just exercising my Second Amendment rights   

[Lizzie Zoom]

I thought about getting a few tins of spam in. 

Apparently stands for Special Processed American Meat......or luncheon meat to us Brits.


Either way it is processed crap.

Oh yes, the yanks will always be there to save us!

For a price, Lizzie.

Do we still owe money borrowed from the US during WW2?.........

We paid off the last of what we owed in 2006.

Ooops. Sorry Sir Tigger; I have now seen you answered that already.

[zirk]

Fickin idiots. 

Don't worry, Mr Bitz. I'm sure Theresa has it all under control.

She is either very stubborn or is working to a very clever plan, the more more the EU think we are preparing to leave the EU in a Cold Turkey way with No Deal the more they are going to be pressured into giving up some of there Terms, maybe?

If it is the latter, she is kinda leaving it all a bit late, I hope she has a good Poker Face when it comes 11:59pm on the 29th March.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Fickin idiots. 

Don't worry, Mr Bitz. I'm sure Theresa has it all under control.

She is either very stubborn or is working to a very clever plan, the more more the EU think we are preparing to leave the EU in a Cold Turkey way with No Deal the more they are going to be pressured into giving up some of there Terms, maybe?

If it is the latter, she is kinda leaving it all a bit late, I hope she has a good Poker Face when it comes 11:59pm on the 29th March.

That will be too late as we (as things stand) leave at 23.00 hours on the 29th March. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Fickin idiots. 

Don't worry, Mr Bitz. I'm sure Theresa has it all under control.

She is either very stubborn or is working to a very clever plan, the more more the EU think we are preparing to leave the EU in a Cold Turkey way with No Deal the more they are going to be pressured into giving up some of there Terms, maybe?

If it is the latter, she is kinda leaving it all a bit late, I hope she has a good Poker Face when it comes 11:59pm on the 29th March.

That will be too late as we (as things stand) leave at 23.00 hours on the 29th March. 

I think we will end up with a BRINO or no brexit at all.

There is almost no chance of a real 'out on our own in the bid bad world' brexit.

[scimmy_man]

we always keep the cupboards full, after a couple of years ago we both had flu, we didnt leave the house for over a week,
the camper has a fair selection of tinned goods in it as weant always find a shop in the wilds,

oh yea The shotguns are to hand.....

[Olympia5776]

I seen a report on Sky this afternoon not sure if it was the same one , in which it focused on a sad silly stupid bint who had filled the cupboard under the stairs with all sorts of foodstuffs .
I have to say that with the footage  and the phrasing of the introduction I was seething at Sky for scraping the underside of the barrel in reporting .
It reallly was base scaremongering to the N th degree.
Between that and stupidly picking up The Telegraph  to read over a coffee this afternoon it really pissed me off .
I think the remoaners via the traitorous mp's that have grabbed the middle ground and pissed all over the voters who opted to leave have won and that we will be dragged back into the brussel boys club duly punished and then sent to the back of the class like a second rate former eastern bloc country.
If that does happen I will use every opportunity to vote to break up the United Kingdom I am ever given .

I'm beginning to be ashamed to be British .

[Sir Tigger KC]

I think we will end up with a BRINO or no brexit at all.

There is almost no chance of a real 'out on our own in the bid bad world' brexit.

I'm inclined to agree with you M'lud, but the 'Remain' sites I watch are all pinning their hopes on a lengthy extension to the A50 period to hold a 2nd referendum. 

If Parliament rejects May's deal on Tuesday (which is likely), they then get to vote on No Deal and extending the A50 period, and they are likely to vote against No Deal and vote for extending A50.

The ball is then in the EU's court, and I think that everyone is assuming that the EU will readily agree to extending the A50 period, but I'm not so sure. 

The decision is for the European Council and they have to vote unanimously in favour, but there have been noises on the continent against extending A50 so I don't think it's a given. 

If the European Council refuse to extend the A50 period, then we leave with No Deal at 2300 hrs on 29th March. 

Of course May could bring her deal back to Parliament at 2200 hrs on 29th March in a last ditch panic vote, with Donald Tusk waiting on the phone in Brussels... 

David Davis predicted right at the start of this process that the EU would take it right to the wire, as it's how they operate. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Extending for a month or two will make little or no difference. Think 2 years.

By which time we will have a new PM and a new government. A second vote is likely and..........

If we don't leave on the 29th March I doubt we ever will.

[STEMO]

I'm leaving on March 29th 

[dave the builder]

I'm leaving on March 29th 

Everyone is leaving on the 29th , there was a vote a while back ,knob jockey cameron  organised it ,then did one 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

If we do leave on march 29th  it will be with sort sort of watery Brino. Chosen because a proper 'no deal' brexit has put the shits up people.

[Doctor Gollum]

I'm leaving on March 29th 

Everyone is leaving on the 29th , there was a vote a while back ,knob jockey cameron  organised it ,then did left 

Or did he remain? I get so confuddled by the whole thing... 

[biggriffin]

We have already been delivering stuff because of Brexit,,, but the stoopid idiots haven't realised, that the product is made in England, and all the ingredients are English. 

[Doctor Gollum]

We have been (trying to) stockpiling staff... several of our Eastern European contingent are heading home in the next fortnight. Most of the Portuguese mafia (most of Madeira seems to work at Gatwick) are staying though.

Of course, it just so happens that March 29th is two days before the summer schedule starts Lots of overtime this summer

[Varche]

Theresa May has been stockpiling sofas in the DFS sale , she is the  only person ever to have negotiated the full price on them. Very pleased she is too.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

  ...………….got to laugh. Otherwise we would have to cry. 

[BazaJT]

From what I gather on the news there will be a second "meaningful" vote this week-likely to be defeated as nothing has changed since last one.Then a vote on leaving with no deal and a further vote on extending article 50,the latter being the most widely tipped outcome.They seem to believe that a vote for an extension is then a done deal,but don't the EU countries get a vote on whether they'll allow such an extension? I'm sure I saw it somewhere that Macron had said he'd veto the idea unless the UK came up with some new idea[as in deciding to remain most likely]to break the impasse?

[Rods2]

A misconception is that the Act passed by Parliament which says we leave on the 29th of March is Primary legislation which takes priority in our Parliamentary system over any motions, which there have been numerous. If (in the unlikely event) May's WA abomination is passed then this will be registered as an International Treaty which we must abide by however damaging the terms are to the UK. If it is not passed then we leave on WTO terms, with no deal, on the 29th of March.

To stop either of these scenarios, would require this act to be amended.

Extending Article 50 after the 2nd July 2019 is not possible as things stand as we cannot be an EU member without MEPs in their Parliament. Now after the 29th March when we leave our seats no longer exist and have been reallocated to other member EU countries in their forthcoming election. The reality is that they cannot extend Article 50 beyond 2-3 months even if ALL other EU countries agree, which is in considerable doubt as several countries just want to see us gone, good riddance, don't let the door hit our butts on the way out, where we are seen as the troublemaker country holding back the creation of the EUSSR.

BTW once Treason May made David Davis', Steve Baker's, Boris Johnston's positions untenable so they resigned and May & Olly Robins took personal charge, there have been no meaningful negotiations where the EU negotiators, May & Robbins are all on the same side (along with Blair, Mandelson, Major, Clark etc, etc) with the same aim to make leaving much worse, so we rejoin in months with no opt-outs and bigger financial payment. May hasn't been clever, cunning or smart where she is as thick as pig sh*t & compliant and easily lead and used as a yes person. If you are looking for a classic case of what treason looks like by colluding with the other side, this is it.

When this is over their needs to be a Royal Commission appointed to look into what has happened and if there have been crimes committed, people need to go to jail for selling this country's interests out to an adversity.

Personally, I think May, Robbins, Blair, Mandelson, Major Clark etc, etc have overplayed their hands and given too much away to the EU which has made the deal unacceptable to the majority of Brexit MPs and the opposition doing what oppositions do (their job is in their title) which is to make life as difficult for Governments by opposing what they are trying to achieve.

Without any majority to amend our leaving legislation, we leave with no deal on the 29th.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Interestingly, SKY news is currently reporting that the EU Commission made an offer to the UK negotiators whereby the UK could unilaterally leave the backstop, but the UK cabinet rejected it.
This is exactly what they say they are asking for and the EU wont hear of it.
Seems like someone is telling even more porkies than we realise ? 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Interestingly, SKY news is currently reporting that the EU Commission made an offer to the UK negotiators whereby the UK could unilaterally leave the backstop, but the UK cabinet rejected it.
This is exactly what they say they are asking for and the EU wont hear of it.
Seems like someone is telling even more porkies than we realise ? 

As I understand it, the offer made by Barnier was that Great Britain could leave the backstop but Northern Ireland had to stay behind. This was the original version of the backstop which was rejected and quite rightly has been rejected again. 

You are right that the media are reporting that it is the UK that has been made the offer, but it is a case of mis reporting or mischief making! 

[zirk]

Interestingly, SKY news is currently reporting that the EU Commission made an offer to the UK negotiators whereby the UK could unilaterally leave the backstop, but the UK cabinet rejected it.
This is exactly what they say they are asking for and the EU wont hear of it.
Seems like someone is telling even more porkies than we realise ? 

As I understand it, the offer made by Barnier was that Great Britain could leave the backstop but Northern Ireland had to stay behind. This was the original version of the backstop which was rejected and quite rightly has been rejected again. 

You are right that the media are reporting that it is the UK that has been made the offer, but it is a case of mis reporting or mischief making! 

If somebody actually bothered to ask Northern Ireland if they were happy with that then NI will probably agree to it                 ..........closely followed by Scotland and Wales who would say, yea we'll have some of that as well  .

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

From what I gather on the news there will be a second "meaningful" vote this week-likely to be defeated as nothing has changed since last one.Then a vote on leaving with no deal and a further vote on extending article 50,the latter being the most widely tipped outcome.They seem to believe that a vote for an extension is then a done deal,but don't the EU countries get a vote on whether they'll allow such an extension? I'm sure I saw it somewhere that Macron had said he'd veto the idea unless the UK came up with some new idea[as in deciding to remain most likely]to break the impasse?

Yep....another 'meaningful' vote tomorrow and if that doesn't go to plan there could be another 'meaningful' vote before March 29th.

It seems to me the 'meaningful' votes are meaningless.

[Varche]

If it goes the way the media expect i.e. an extension, I hope it is past July the 2nd and someone insists on meaningful democracy with the UK having EU MEPs again.

It will be a bit awkward as the UK seats have been redistributed I believe.

My guess is two extensions. First till early summer to avoid the inconvenience of UK MEPs and once that hurdle is past, a further extension to infinity.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Jon Snow of Channel 4 News Tweets :-

" A Lawyer contact tells me that the legal world is aware that the Attorney General said NO last night to the validity of Mrs May's 'new EU deal'...he been told to go away and find a way to say YES: A cohort of lawyers has been summoned. "

Geoffrey Cox the Attorney General replies :-

" 'dangle berries' "

 

[Marks DTM Calib]

I found veggies from Kenya, Peru and Ghana, fruit from South Africa and New Zealand, fish from Vietnam, corned beef from Brazil and wine from Australia, New Zealand, Chile and the USA.  That was from a quick one man cursory survey. 

The issue is that the vast majority of it lands in European ports and is then transferred to the Uk, we have similar with large quantities of ROW parts. 

Brexit will be and always was going to be a complete mess, no matter who is negotiating it

[Sir Tigger KC]

I found veggies from Kenya, Peru and Ghana, fruit from South Africa and New Zealand, fish from Vietnam, corned beef from Brazil and wine from Australia, New Zealand, Chile and the USA.  That was from a quick one man cursory survey. 

The issue is that the vast majority of it lands in European ports and is then transferred to the Uk, we have similar with large quantities of ROW parts. 

Brexit will be and always was going to be a complete mess, no matter who is negotiating it

The Rotterdam effect?

I'm sure there are solutions to all these problems, but there needs to be the political will to solve them. 

The only way to solve the Irish border conundrum for example is through the terms of trade, but the EU have resolutely refused to discuss the future relationship, insisting on the absurd backstop and May and Robbins have stupidly or complicitly gone along with it... 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Any problems which may arise wont be permanent ones. They might last until the EU collapses in on itself, which will probably happen in the next decade. 

[STEMO]

Any problems which may arise wont be permanent ones. They might last until the EU collapses in on itself, which will probably happen in the next decade. 

Hope I live long enough to see it.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Me too. 

[STEMO]

Me too. 

What? Me....or you? 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Neither of you will 

[Nick W]

Any problems which may arise wont be permanent ones. They might last until the EU collapses in on itself, which will probably happen in the next decade. 

Hope I live long enough to see it.

Yes, a return to the European wars of the last millennium will be a right laugh

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Jaysus !!