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[Entwood]

Out of interest what's the mileage?

126,249 .... 

And pretty sure they were the originals going by the manufactured date .... 

Thats good going, even more so that its been running on LPG for a good chunk of that. I'm still using the original coil pack from fatherT's 2.2, as we swapped that over as a test. So about 120k old now, his has got a new one has mine started to degrade at 110k.

TBE's 2/4/6 bank was replace at around 60k, initially with a 2nd hand part that misfired worse than the faulty one that came out, then with a brank spankers Bosch one.

(No disrespect to breaker who provided said CP, who AFAIK, did everything "right")

What I'll do with spare ones I have, is keep them in the Elite when its in daily grind (after i've tested them of course) - They will be used as a get me home spares. 

What size tool box do you carry as well !!  Nothing fancy needed I know , just that quite a few different pieces seem to get used !! .. maybe moving the LPG bits made it seem worse ...

[tunnie]

Thats a good point, my lovley 4 pot all you need is a torx screwdriver   

Could always borrow the AA mans tools, probably do a better job   

[Andy B]

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Any how .. reasonably happy hector until I look at the parts bill ...  £238.18 (inc VAT)       mind you .. without TC it would have been £322.34 (inc VAT) so I guess that's covered a few years ABS membership .... again ..

and how much would a garage have charged you? & would they have fitted pattern CPs 

[Entwood]

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Any how .. reasonably happy hector until I look at the parts bill ...  £238.18 (inc VAT)       mind you .. without TC it would have been £322.34 (inc VAT) so I guess that's covered a few years ABS membership .... again ..

and how much would a garage have charged you? & would they have fitted pattern CPs 

True enough .. at least I know its "proper" parts and the jobs been done "right" (other than the damage to the cable tray lid ... but that's another story !!!! - I'd like to meet the idiot that designed that thing ... ) 

[Andy B]

..... - I'd like to meet the idiot that designed that thing ... ) 

Mine's broken too .... can't quite remember where - the support at the front doesn't hold on like the one at the back does. Looks OK with the bonnet down though 

[Entwood]

..... - I'd like to meet the idiot that designed that thing ... ) 

Mine's broken too .... can't quite remember where - the support at the front doesn't hold on like the one at the back does. Looks OK with the bonnet down though 

Mines now in three bits .. hence 3 cable ties ..

[TheBoy]

Not really interested in the snapshot of the Short term trims, only usefull dynamically.  The Longs are drifting a bit Entwood. Not unusual on LPG.

Can you do another code clear (which will reset trims hopefully), then do a 10-15 mile run on petrol^*, and report back Long Term trims for both banks?

^* Sorry to use just swear words

Will do, but it won't be until after 6 tonight

Don't expect a coherent reply this evening then

[TheBoy]

Out of interest what's the mileage?

126,249 .... 

And pretty sure they were the originals going by the manufactured date .... 

Thats good going, even more so that its been running on LPG for a good chunk of that. I'm still using the original coil pack from fatherT's 2.2, as we swapped that over as a test. So about 120k old now, his has got a new one has mine started to degrade at 110k.

TBE's 2/4/6 bank was replace at around 60k, initially with a 2nd hand part that misfired worse than the faulty one that came out, then with a brank spankers Bosch one.

(No disrespect to breaker who provided said CP, who AFAIK, did everything "right")

What I'll do with spare ones I have, is keep them in the Elite when its in daily grind (after i've tested them of course) - They will be used as a get me home spares. 

What size tool box do you carry as well !!  Nothing fancy needed I know , just that quite a few different pieces seem to get used !! .. maybe moving the LPG bits made it seem worse ...

A E10 for the cranksensor bolt. Nothing else matters ;S

[Entwood]

Not really interested in the snapshot of the Short term trims, only usefull dynamically.  The Longs are drifting a bit Entwood. Not unusual on LPG.

Can you do another code clear (which will reset trims hopefully), then do a 10-15 mile run on petrol^*, and report back Long Term trims for both banks?

^* Sorry to use just swear words

As requested... petrol selected, codes reset, 14 miles later ...

LONGFT1(%)  3.1
LONGFT2(%)  1.6

still the same "difference" from LPG  side1 about 1.6 higher than side2 ....  what's causing that .. ??   Awaits the expert to tell me ..

[TheBoy]

Ooooo, thats not great

Can you reset codes again, and immediately then check Long Terms, check that your reader is resetting trims?

[Entwood]

Ooooo, thats not great

Can you reset codes again, and immediately then check Long Terms, check that your reader is resetting trims?

Will do .. but what is the problem with those sort of readings ?? And would it make any difference that the mileage done to get those readings was noy "continuous" .. but involved 3 stops and starts ?? ... IF so I'll do the reset then do a 20 mile non-stop run and retake them ..   but after the GP has been on ..(and I've managed to miss the news all day so have no idea of the result ..   )

[Entwood]

OK .. just done ... full reset and check that both short- and long-term trims all went to zero 

19 miles continuous drive, mixed town and 5 miles of motorway at 75 (ish ) (no problems seen or felt)

Home and read long term trims

LONGFT1(%)  2.3
LONGFT2(%)  0.8

so still a difference ...1.5 (was 1.6 on both previous readings) ... but I'm guessing the 2.3% reading is still too high ??

Causes please ?? (as I know nothing ) [googling just gets me even more confused !! some pages say LONGFT should be less than 2% others say up to 5% is OK !!!  DOH ] )

If my understanding is correct, bank 1 is running slightly lean and fuel is being added .... or are you hinting that bank1 lambda/cat "may" have been damaged by unburned fuel during the 5 minutes it had to run t'other night until I could stop somewhere safe ??

Easily Confused of North wilts ... 

[TheBoy]

On petrol, it should stay at 0%, +-2%.  As LPG is a bit barbaric, they drift off a bit.

At idle, are both BxS1 O2 sensors flicking at 0.5 - 1Hz

[Entwood]

On petrol, it should stay at 0%, +-2%.  As LPG is a bit barbaric, they drift off a bit.

At idle, are both BxS1 O2 sensors flicking at 0.5 - 1Hz

Yup 

+-2% ... ??  +2.3% is very close so hopefully nothing too serious ... perhaps it needs a longer run than 19 miles to sort its life out ??

I'm doing best part of 1000 miles next weekend - on LPG for definite - Paris & back ....

[TheBoy]

For petrol, I'd expect long terms to be pretty much 0%

For LPG, ideally keep them between -10 to +10%