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[tigers_gonads]

Am I right in thinking that these are no longer available ?

My fronts have done over 150K now and even though fitting the rear poly bushes have made the slow speed turn in a hell of a lot better, it still just doesn't feel right at motorway speeds 
I have checked the steering idler for play and that seems okay to me.
No play on anything else at the front either.
All shocks are B4's and have done less then 20K
Rear springs are in one piece.

Am I looking at Eibachs ? 

[VXL V6]

Yes afraid so, I bought the second last set of MV6 springs about three years ago. Note MV6 are -15mm and Eibach are -30mm

[tigers_gonads]

Yes afraid so, I bought the second last set of MV6 springs about three years ago. Note MV6 are -15mm and Eibach are -30mm

Yeh, I know 
Trouble is, I occasionally pull a pikey van plus with the LPG tank over the rear axel, its low anyway 

Oh well, hopefully if I take into account the springs will be shagged anyway it will be okay 

Thanks 

[VXL V6]

You could put a 10mm poly pad underneath the rear springs, think you can get them from Pedders. I put these on the car with MV6 springs on it because it's always carrying a weight in the boot.

[tigers_gonads]

You could put a 10mm poly pad underneath the rear springs, think you can get them from Pedders. I put these on the car with MV6 springs on it because it's always carrying a weight in the boot.

IIRC
I seem to remember something on here about doubleing up on the rubber pads to do the same thing 
Do these poly pads fit at the top or bottom of the spring ?

I've reciently polyied the back and love the slow speed turn in / feel but if i'm honest, the droning does get on my tits after a while 
I would go stark raving mad if it got worse 

[VXL V6]

Personally I think stacking two pads (you'll have to cut the neck off one) won't give the required rude height, will be too soft and the ones I've seen (I was going to do the same) were all compressed from years of use.

[tigers_gonads]

Personally I think stacking two pads (you'll have to cut the neck off one) won't give the required rude height, will be too soft and the ones I've seen (I was going to do the same) were all compressed from years of use.

Sadly that makes sense 


Its my thread so i'll move the goalposts slightly 

Has anybody found a material that potentially could be used to replace the top poly pad to give the same geometry to the suspension BUT reduce that friggin droning noise that you get ?
In other words get the best of both worlds ?

[TheBoy]

Don't bother with the Eibach/Irmscher/Chav rear springs. They are all universally unsuited to Omegas.  Fronts, , rears 

The amount of spacers I had to put in (10mm, plus 2 sets of rubber), and it still wasn't handling, and always catching the diff and rear bumber on speed bumps.

Standard springs on the rear,

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Would it be advisable to have some metal removed from the ends of standard springs, using something like a surface grinding machine, to reduce the ride height slightly ? 

[TheBoy]

Would it be advisable to have some metal removed from the ends of standard springs, using something like a surface grinding machine, to reduce the ride height slightly ? 

The spring rate would be wrong then, and would present issues.  A lowered spring obviously has to be stiffer, if that makes sense?

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

It does, but would 7mm ground off each end make a serious difference ? 

[Doctor Gollum]

It does, but would 7mm ground off each end make a serious difference ? 

Presumably different end cuts suit different applications...

Lowered/stiffer springs tend to have more coils, not fewer

[TheBoy]

It does, but would 7mm ground off each end make a serious difference ? 

Given the troubles I've had with the arse of one of mine, I would say it probably would be quite compromised.

[tigers_gonads]

TB, always thought TBE was elite spec or are we talking about the sadly deceased Bullet ?

Can you get the eibach front springs separate ?
I've only seen the complete kits 

I would have thought that with the pigtails on the end of the springs, chopping off would be a no no (but what do I know  )

The car at the moment is on 155K MV6 front springs / Lemforder standard hight 20K but suposingly heavy duty springs at the rear.
75% of the time it handles pretty nice BUT under spirited cornering, the back loads up very quickly and (in the words of my lad who was following me) the back end looks like its going to tip over 

Okay how about this ................   I change the front springs for something a little lower but stiffer AND leave the rear springs in place but either fit a pair of stiffer rear shocks or maybe fit a pair of gas adjustables c/w retrofitted pump 

[gstylebaby]

I have a front set still attached to the fromt legs left from my MV6 i broke. The car had only done around 90 thousand. Yes there up for sale if your interested that is.

[tigers_gonads]

I have a front set still attached to the fromt legs left from my MV6 i broke. The car had only done around 90 thousand. Yes there up for sale if your interested that is.

This cars a keeper so whatever I end up doing i'll be using new parts 
Appreciate the offer though 

[ajsphead]

Eibachs/B4s on mine and even fully loaded I've never had a problem with rear end dragging. Springs feel much stiffer. I'd ignore the drop that the book says as it measures new against new, not against old shagged springs. Mine dropped about 20mm all round, but by different amounts across each axle. Now it's level side to side and with the right ratio front to rear, before it wasn't.
Now I can control the front end with the throttle much more easily and can feel a sharper turn in. Toyed with the idea of double rear top mounts but in the end found they weren't needed.

[zirk]

Ideally what you need TG is the Heavy Duty Estate springs and Self Leveling system from a low mileage Ex Police Estate. 

But, good luck in your search, by the way have you inquired whether GM hold any stock of the above?, theres probably an old Box of them kicking around somewhere in some remote Police Maintenance Depot or even Millbrook.

[biggriffin]

Ideally what you need TG is the Heavy Duty Estate springs and Self Leveling system from a low mileage Ex Police Estate. 

But, good luck in your search, by the way have you inquired whether GM hold any stock of the above?, theres probably an old Box of them kicking around somewhere in some remote Police Maintenance Depot or even Millbrook.

.

I sold mine, and am now kicking myself, but the springs did go to an oof'er.

All cars that were tested at Millbrook, were preped at gm svo in biggleswade, which is no longer there, tvp car use to go to Kempston work shop, met used venison automotive, some were even serviced by local gm dealers.

[TheBoy]

TB, always thought TBE was elite spec or are we talking about the sadly deceased Bullet ?

TBE has been through many specs, from pure Elite, to fully Irmscher lowered/chavved, to how it is now (which is how the Bullet was set up).

Front - Irmscher sprung, OE/Bilstein B4 damped
Rear - Standard Omega sprung, OE/Bilstein B4 damped

(New OE shocks and B4 shocks are pretty similar, though in my experience, the B4s maintain better damping for longer).


I would not entertain the idea of lowered (Irmscher/Eibach etc) rear springs, then fighting to bring it up to a working height with spacers. I found it didn't really work, both from a praticality point of view or from a handling point of view.

[TheBoy]

Eibachs/B4s on mine and even fully loaded I've never had a problem with rear end dragging. Springs feel much stiffer. I'd ignore the drop that the book says as it measures new against new, not against old shagged springs. Mine dropped about 20mm all round, but by different amounts across each axle. Now it's level side to side and with the right ratio front to rear, before it wasn't.
Now I can control the front end with the throttle much more easily and can feel a sharper turn in. Toyed with the idea of double rear top mounts but in the end found they weren't needed.

That shows how bad the old springs had got, rather than how good/suitable the new ones are.  But you've certainly improved on how it was

[tigers_gonads]

Okay, since all the B4's and the rear standard height / allegedly heavy duty springs are low millage, its Eibach for the front then see were I am at after a full setup 

As always, thanks for the info / opinions lads 

[TheBoy]

Okay, since all the B4's and the rear standard height / allegedly heavy duty springs are low millage, its Eibach for the front then see were I am at after a full setup 

As always, thanks for the info / opinions lads 

Check ride height is same each side, as that will go a long way to proving they are still very serviceable

[tigers_gonads]

Okay, since all the B4's and the rear standard height / allegedly heavy duty springs are low millage, its Eibach for the front then see were I am at after a full setup 

As always, thanks for the info / opinions lads 

Check ride height is same each side, as that will go a long way to proving they are still very serviceable

Will do