Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: TheBoy on 18 May 2012, 18:36:05
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Speaking as a long standing member here, rather than a Moderator...
Is it me? Or has the 'fun' element gone from OOF? I used to come on here every time I had a spare 5 mins, and enjoy every second of it, whether it be interesting reads on the antics around those doing up cars, or just the chat having me rolling around on the floor, much to the amusement of Mrs TB.
Now, I seem to be struugling to find the energy and enthusiasm to even log on. Our stats show I'm not alone, as we have fewer online now.
So, whats gone wrong? And more importantly, what can we do?
Now, here's your chance for your say. As a moderator, I will do what I can to keep all post to this thread visible, unless its legally irresponsible to. Essentially, this thread will be left unmoderated.
So have your say - it may influence the futures of OOF :y
But please try to keep this one serious and on topic, else its a wasted opportunity. And I don't think we can afford to waste it ;)
Popcorn ready.
TheBoy
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I still maintain an element of what I said a few months ago - a lot more members are a lot more competent and clued up on the common jobs, so mechanical projects are no longer so much an interesting discussion and have died a death...
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I still maintain an element of what I said a few months ago - a lot more members are a lot more competent and clued up on the common jobs, so mechanical projects are no longer so much an interesting discussion and have died a death...
I think the low values mean that projects to do up and sell on will always be few and fair between.
If you believe OOF is just about car help, and we've got all that covered, is it time to close registrations, and set it Read Only? :-\
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I realise i'm hardly what you would call a regular but I stopped visiting so much when I parked the mig for the last time prior to scrapping. I suspect that's the main reason for the drop off, the number of possible members goes down with every car scrapped. And as an aside I will say that for an owners site we seem to have a more than unhealthy interest in reducing the numbers available (although I do realise that it's more profitable to scrap than sell in a lot of cases).
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I still maintain an element of what I said a few months ago - a lot more members are a lot more competent and clued up on the common jobs, so mechanical projects are no longer so much an interesting discussion and have died a death...
I think the low values mean that projects to do up and sell on will always be few and fair between.
If you believe OOF is just about car help, and we've got all that covered, is it time to close registrations, and set it Read Only? :-\
No, and no :y
I don't believe it's just about car help. The social and community aspect of it is brilliant :y
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The social and community aspect of it is brilliant
Thats where I think we have derailed...
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being a newbie i can only speak as i find and i think the forum is brilliant and hope it keeps getting stronger, that can only be achieved by the members. :y :y
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From my perspective of a relative newcomer, I have observed a trend towards moaning, whinging, complaining. Oh aren't we hard done by, poor ol' us.
Whether that be EU, the Euro, the Govt, prices (of anything - everybody always commenting on the cost of this and that bla bla), the crap on TV, the weather, .... and on and on. The price of petrol is high - accept it. Yes, we can all find something to moan about, but it becomes contagious. From my short time here, it's seems like there are hell of a lot of miserable old (maybe young too) gits owning Omegas. ;)
Equally, positive threads, comments, friendly banter is also contagious. Have a laugh, share a funny experience (even if it's years ago it happened), lighten up. Tell tales of mishaps, god knows what else, but positive. This, in theory will set a trend and make room for the laughs that I assume you used to have.
I'll be back soon to (re)start the trend :y
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TBH Jaime, it's like any forum/club or the like when it gets bigger - the bigger it gets the more impersonal it becomes in my experience. It's a bit like living in a small village where everyone knows everyone and it's fun. Then the village expands and becomes bigger and suddenly you find that you don't know so many people and it becomes more impersonal. In the 80's I used to belong to a water skiing club that only had a handful of members and it was brilliant - lots of weekend parties among great friends and everyone knew everyone. Then it got bigger and bigger and eventually became a very impersonal corporate watersports and entertainment centre.
With OOF, a similar thing is happening. When you think back to when OOF began, there were only a handful of us and we all got to know each other and became good friends. Also, not everyone is going to keep their Omega's indefinitley (like me!) and tend to drift away.
Anyway, the point I'm making is that with OOF membership now in the thousands, the problem doesn't necessarily lie with OOF as a forum, it's just expanded and members come and go as do their cars.
I think one of the best things OOF can do is to keep the meets going, particularly the national one's such as the Lakes and Newent. :y
Oh, and nearly forgot to mention, OOF is STILL one of the best forums which is why I'm still here!! :y :y :y
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Not been a keen or able user of spanners i find the open and williness of people on here to help each other out a great thing in todays society :y.
for my self keep it up and long may oof carry on.
reading some of the posts over the last few months i have seen more of a tendenacy for people to snap at each other rather than allowing other people to have their say even if it is total wrong... Please excuss spelling and delete if you think iam wrong. or out of place.
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Tbh J, i have really tried to interact more recently rather than standing on the wall. i really dont think we are doing that bad......are we?. ???
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There may be a bit of moaning about EU, economy etc, etc, etc......but to a lot of us, this is the only place where we can let of steam and vent our frustrations :y
I also need this forum to keep my car healthy...I also need the members that do the little (or large) jobs for us when we are in trouble :y
This place is a wealth of knowledge...and better than any other forum I have been on :y
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...or perhaps Omega's aren't cheap to be motoring around in these days, so people aren't visiting for the mechanical know-how (the side-show discussions have been brilliant - even as a spectator), but I know I visited a lot more when there was a miggy on the drive (still very, very sad to have seen it go, both times). The old ones are being scrapped/scavenged/written off and the new ones cost the earth to tax (and run) so people are shifting into small economical crappy FWD euro-boxes.
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OOF is STILL one of the best forums
All said - I haven't had a miggy for some time, and I still completely agree with the above - I don't visit any other forum anywhere near as regularly, and I often browse through the Car and General discussions because the topics are often interesting/funny/enlightening.
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Tbh J, i have really tried to interact more recently rather than standing on the wall. i really dont think we are doing that bad......are we?. ???
I personally think we are. Maybe I'm just down in the doldrums, and its clouding my take on the forum. Who knows.
*BUT*, I do think/feel there are underlying tensions bubbling under the surface.
This is everyone's chance to have their say on how we can improve things (even if people think we are doing OK, that still leaves a lot of scope for improvement), and unload tensions, and clear the air.
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I have to say, TB....you must be very good with Extra Sensory Perception.......You must probably sense tensions between certain members, you have a larger 'personal' attachment being a founder, but I don't see anything only banter and disagreements...but not in my opinon, against the forum :y
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Guilty, as charged.
I don't think it is just you. Last 2 weeks have been a downer for me and many people I work with. maybe it is a month of solid rain where you're struggling to get out and get anything done? Some of this has probably spilled over into OOF.
As an aside I parked the car up at 4pm and went out at 7pm to see if I could fix some things and noticed some scrote had keyed the whole length of the off-side. Not deep but enough to notice. Now, that hasn't helped my mood but why did they do it? Maybe they're down too? Not that I care. I just want to kick them to death.
I think come back in a few weeks and hopefully the weather will have picked up a bit and everyone else with it.
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I think come back in a few weeks and hopefully the weather will have picked up a bit and everyone else with it.
The main National Meets traditionally help immensely to repair the frictions that seem to build up every winter.
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i dont think that we are doing to bad tbh, just my point of view though. plenty of banter going on i think. :y
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well for my little bit......think this should be discust over a few beers at the lakes meet :y :y :y :y :y :y
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well for my little bit......think this should be discust over a few beers at the lakes meet :y :y :y :y :y :y
We have done similar before, such as Newent last year, but that excludes a lot of our members.
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well for my little bit......think this should be discussed over a few beers at the lakes meet :y :y :y :y :y :y
We have done similar before, such as Newent last year, but that excludes a lot of our members.
And...................................... ??? :)
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General Discussion Area for me is the internet version of stood at the end of the bar and having a beer with the lads.
Whatever is happening out there in the real world tends to get discused on here.
As for the meets, how about sorting a decient sized meet over on the east coast :y
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Must say I enjoyed the Wycombe meet. Hard to get away with the little one and work though.
You say nothing new or interesting yet I read that thread by prj (or was it prb?) where he disected his alarm module and read the chip and was trying to decode the hex inside. I was intrigued to say the least!
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As for the meets, how about sorting a decient sized meet over on the east coast :y
The locations for the 2 "National" meets have come about based on a North-ish and South-ish location, and finding sites that have suitable facilities and will take large groups.
There was a York meet for a couple of years, although it did lack facilities, esp for the ladies.
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As for the meets, how about sorting a decient sized meet over on the east coast :y
The locations for the 2 "National" meets have come about based on a North-ish and South-ish location, and finding sites that have suitable facilities and will take large groups.
There was a York meet for a couple of years, although it did lack facilities, esp for the ladies.
Plenty of decient sites on the east coast.
Whether its East Yorks / Northumberland or Lincolnshire / Norfolk area :-\
It would be great for the lads who live on this side of the penines.
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Speaking as a long standing member here, rather than a Moderator...
Is it me? Or has the 'fun' element gone from OOF? I used to come on here every time I had a spare 5 mins, and enjoy every second of it, whether it be interesting reads on the antics around those doing up cars, or just the chat having me rolling around on the floor, much to the amusement of Mrs TB.
Now, I seem to be struugling to find the energy and enthusiasm to even log on. Our stats show I'm not alone, as we have fewer online now.
So, whats gone wrong? And more importantly, what can we do?
Now, here's your chance for your say. As a moderator, I will do what I can to keep all post to this thread visible, unless its legally irresponsible to. Essentially, this thread will be left unmoderated.
So have your say - it may influence the futures of OOF :y
But please try to keep this one serious and on topic, else its a wasted opportunity. And I don't think we can afford to waste it ;)
Popcorn ready.
TheBoy
Thats cos we are all around webbys drinking beer and ripping RALF to bits ;D
Seriously i think oof is great and have learnt so many things since ive been here and made a few friends as well . Cant think of anything that needs to be changed ...happy with the forum :)
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As for the meets, how about sorting a decient sized meet over on the east coast :y
The locations for the 2 "National" meets have come about based on a North-ish and South-ish location, and finding sites that have suitable facilities and will take large groups.
There was a York meet for a couple of years, although it did lack facilities, esp for the ladies.
Plenty of decient sites on the east coast.
Whether its East Yorks / Northumberland or Lincolnshire / Norfolk area :-\
It would be great for the lads who live on this side of the penines.
Also, for 2 years running, Lazydocker arranged a meet near Kings Lynn, but stopped when it became an Adults Only site.
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As for the meets, how about sorting a decient sized meet over on the east coast :y
The locations for the 2 "National" meets have come about based on a North-ish and South-ish location, and finding sites that have suitable facilities and will take large groups.
There was a York meet for a couple of years, although it did lack facilities, esp for the ladies.
Plenty of decient sites on the east coast.
Whether its East Yorks / Northumberland or Lincolnshire / Norfolk area :-\
It would be great for the lads who live on this side of the penines.
Also, for 2 years running, Lazydocker arranged a meet near Kings Lynn, but stopped when it became an Adults Only site.
sir moanalot first started that one, yes it was a shame as we had undercover working areas.a bloomin good meet it was too.
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every time theres a meet im booked somewhere else and the time i booked to go to the york meet it bloody cancelled yer gits ;D
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Gen Dis is where the problems are IMHO, all other parts run well.
In Gen Dis there is now no proper laughter, those who think they are funny... aren't. Way too much masked swearing/profanity and insults.
Now "banter" is good .. but there is very little about, a few folks have their own "private" exchanges, which usually ends up with a few more masked swear words, that add nothing to the forum.
Political comment is overwhelming .. but don't anyone dare to give a contradictory viewpoint.. you will be leapt on by the small but vociferous few.
I don't think there's been a "careless", "pointless", "stupid" thread where folks simply talk rubbish for a long, long, while; simply because someone will either go to far, or more likely, take themselves too seriously and complain.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, and someone will accuse me of elitism/snobbery/whatever, but the personality/culture/profile/age of the folks who own Omegas has changed dramatically as the price of them has dropped.
This is mainly why the forum has changed IMHO. There is also the fact that many "members" don't actually own one anymore, and look on the forum simply as a chat room.
There is very little "management" can do about these matters, as the forum is made up of the people who frequent it, and that is changing rapidly.
The old members no longer post, we have very few female posters - hardly surprising given the way women are talked about on the forum - and if I had young kids I would be very wary of them reading some posts, given the content, on what is supposed to be, and used to be, a "family" site.
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I enjoy the forum, tend to look in daily and comment when a thread interests me either socially of machanically. The help as been great but the site can appear to be one big clique of older members at times who respond to each other on a thread but seem to ignore everyone else, even repeating comments made by a member earlier who is not part of their group.
As for meets I don't do tents, caravans, under a bonnet or looking at other Omega's or indeed wish to spend my time doing so (SWMBO won't let me) ;D
The members I have met personally or communicated with have been excellent chaps, helpful in every way, advice, parts, carrying out work and make this forum a worthwhile place to participate in. :y :y :y
LOVE the moaning, even the liberals, for gods sake we're Brits ;D ;D
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i think i will second that Entwood. ;)
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I think Entwood is partly right. After all, taking it to its logical conclusion, in 20 years will the forum still be as strong as it is now? Don't think so.
But so what? I still find it a fun and stimulating place to be and look most most days. I had a lot of really great help and have given a little as I best I can in return. Oh and I now don't drive an Omega despite having had one for over ten years. I may still yet get a Spanish DTI.
Some threads in general discussion get heated. Things like the Euro crisis should bother us. You have the option of not joining in.
I can't think of the content Entwood refers to and why should a car forum be a "family site"? I do personally think that one female member was hounded off the forum in what was a very badly judged act. At the time I too would have been gutted if my post count had been slashed.What was done was done. Just my view.
There isn't much that can be done about the demographics issue ( Omegas owned, spares and so on). That is always going to decline.
I think we just have to accept that ownbership and issues will decline and the forum will change as a result. It would be a shame to lose all the immense data available should the forum close.If that step was taken(and I hope it wouldn't be) then I hope the wealth of knowledge and expertise would still be in the public domain. I have tried to find similar info for Suzuki Vitaras or for Peugeot 2.0HDi engines. Pretty poor showing for a similar age car.
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From my perspective of a relative newcomer, I have observed a trend towards moaning, whinging, complaining. Oh aren't we hard done by, poor ol' us.
Whether that be EU, the Euro, the Govt, prices (of anything - everybody always commenting on the cost of this and that bla bla), the crap on TV, the weather, .... and on and on. The price of petrol is high - accept it. Yes, we can all find something to moan about, but it becomes contagious. From my short time here, it's seems like there are hell of a lot of miserable old (maybe young too) gits owning Omegas. ;)
Equally, positive threads, comments, friendly banter is also contagious. Have a laugh, share a funny experience (even if it's years ago it happened), lighten up. Tell tales of mishaps, god knows what else, but positive. This, in theory will set a trend and make room for the laughs that I assume you used to have.
I'll be back soon to (re)start the trend :y
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I've said this before, but help/support on car related stuff is 100%, with help freely given to people needing it. Long may that continue, I've benefited and have also helped others out in return - what goes around comes around .......
I can handle the clique aspect that does exist by ignoring it. However things are becoming more opionatiated and a level of intolerance is emerging which I'm not comfortable with. I complained about something once and was ignored - so s*d it.
Ending on a positive note, I joined ABS back in 2000 with a MV6 that was then only 3 years old. In comparison, OOF is much more friendly.
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I realise i'm hardly what you would call a regular but I stopped visiting so much when I parked the mig for the last time prior to scrapping. I suspect that's the main reason for the drop off, the number of possible members goes down with every car scrapped. And as an aside I will say that for an owners site we seem to have a more than unhealthy interest in reducing the numbers available(although I do realise that it's more profitable to scrap than sell in a lot of cases).
Rather strong adjective to use T. If Omega`s weren`t being dismantled to keep others roadworthy OOF`s days would be numbered, fact.
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Does anyone feel apprehension about the Main meets since the unfortunate situation between Jimbob and loo knee. Ie the LJay debacle?
I suspect this may be behind the the low interest in the Lakes meet. But I do hope i am wrong.
Apologies for mentioning it, and risking dragging all that up again. It's a subject at the core of Oof IMO. One that risks everything. I desperately hope we have moved on but somehow... :-\
If the key point of Oof spirit is the meets as TB suspects, if I understand correctly, then I'd list problem areas in no particular order as;
The debacle ( please tell me I'm wrong)
Entwoods point( I don't like it but it's a valid point)
Politics in excess (and nothing else by some members)
Endless negative threads in Gen chat ( I logged on last week and every single thread was depressing)
Not sure I should post this but here goes ( wince )
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ive been on this forum longer than it says cos i closed my account and restartedit again to prove i dont give two streaks of pish about post count :D i think there was about 1800 on the other account and still dont.and yes i have noticed it seems to be rattling along and isnt what it was when i first joined,life is more stressful these days and unintensionally i think people bring it on here sometimes. the bigger the group equals more input and more to please only you cant please everyone all the time and there will always be sleeves rolled up.i still agree with comments on the weather leaving a cloud over heads which takes some shaking off but bring on the sun hopefully to dry it out and let the fun begin
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there is nothing wrong wth OOF , just a bit slow nowadays..
I have many things to share.. butI am in grief and I gave myself a punishment for some time.. but I try to follow the forum when I am in normal mood..
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As for the meets, how about sorting a decient sized meet over on the east coast :y
The locations for the 2 "National" meets have come about based on a North-ish and South-ish location, and finding sites that have suitable facilities and will take large groups.
There was a York meet for a couple of years, although it did lack facilities, esp for the ladies.
Plenty of decient sites on the east coast.
Whether its East Yorks / Northumberland or Lincolnshire / Norfolk area :-\
It would be great for the lads who live on this side of the penines.
Also, for 2 years running, Lazydocker arranged a meet near Kings Lynn, but stopped when it became an Adults Only site.
sir moanalot first started that one, yes it was a shame as we had undercover working areas.a bloomin good meet it was too.
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He did indeed organise it the first year. I did start hunting fore another site but finding somewhere that will take a group is quite hard ;) That said, I may have found a suitable place near me but I don't know what the facilities are like yet. If it's OK we would probably have the whole site to ourselves ;)
Personally, travelling to the Lakes/Newent is part of the fun. They are both great meets and I'm hoping to be at one of them at least this year (even if the nearest one is over 500 miles round trip) ;) :y
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Does anyone feel apprehension about the Main meets since the unfortunate situation between Jimbob and loo knee. Ie the LJay debacle?
I suspect this may be behind the the low interest in the Lakes meet. But I do hope i am wrong.
Apologies for mentioning it, and risking dragging all that up again. It's a subject at the core of Oof IMO. One that risks everything. I desperately hope we have moved on but somehow... :-\
If the key point of Oof spirit is the meets as TB suspects, if I understand correctly, then I'd list problem areas in no particular order as;
The debacle ( please tell me I'm wrong)
Entwoods point( I don't like it but it's a valid point)
Politics in excess (and nothing else by some members)
Endless negative threads in Gen chat ( I logged on last week and every single thread was depressing)
Not sure I should post this but here goes ( wince )
Certainly didn`t help Chris irrespective of peoples "take" on the sorry affair.
You`re not very far off the mark on that as well
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Well I'm back in the country after my sun shine all inclusive break away ;D ;D
So thats 3 omegas back on the forum :y
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Does anyone feel apprehension about the Main meets since the unfortunate situation between Jimbob and loo knee. Ie the LJay debacle?
I suspect this may be behind the the low interest in the Lakes meet. But I do hope i am wrong.
Apologies for mentioning it, and risking dragging all that up again. It's a subject at the core of Oof IMO. One that risks everything. I desperately hope we have moved on but somehow... :-\
If the key point of Oof spirit is the meets as TB suspects, if I understand correctly, then I'd list problem areas in no particular order as;
The debacle ( please tell me I'm wrong)
Entwoods point( I don't like it but it's a valid point)
Politics in excess (and nothing else by some members)
Endless negative threads in Gen chat ( I logged on last week and every single thread was depressing)
Not sure I should post this but here goes ( wince )
For me, yes Chris.
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Does anyone feel apprehension about the Main meets since the unfortunate situation between Jimbob and loo knee. Ie the LJay debacle?
I suspect this may be behind the the low interest in the Lakes meet. But I do hope i am wrong.
Apologies for mentioning it, and risking dragging all that up again. It's a subject at the core of Oof IMO. One that risks everything. I desperately hope we have moved on but somehow... :-\
If the key point of Oof spirit is the meets as TB suspects, if I understand correctly, then I'd list problem areas in no particular order as;
The debacle ( please tell me I'm wrong)
Entwoods point( I don't like it but it's a valid point)
Politics in excess (and nothing else by some members)
Endless negative threads in Gen chat ( I logged on last week and every single thread was depressing)
Not sure I should post this but here goes ( wince )
I'm afraid I think you're pretty close to the mark Chris ;) The whole sorry affair was/has been/is/always(?) will be hanging over the Forum IMO :-\
As for the other points...Gen Dis is where the problems are IMHO, all other parts run well.
In Gen Dis there is now no proper laughter, those who think they are funny... aren't. Way too much masked swearing/profanity and insults.
Now "banter" is good .. but there is very little about, a few folks have their own "private" exchanges, which usually ends up with a few more masked swear words, that add nothing to the forum.
Political comment is overwhelming .. but don't anyone dare to give a contradictory viewpoint.. you will be leapt on by the small but vociferous few.
I don't think there's been a "careless", "pointless", "stupid" thread where folks simply talk rubbish for a long, long, while; simply because someone will either go to far, or more likely, take themselves too seriously and complain.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, and someone will accuse me of elitism/snobbery/whatever, but the personality/culture/profile/age of the folks who own Omegas has changed dramatically as the price of them has dropped.
This is mainly why the forum has changed IMHO. There is also the fact that many "members" don't actually own one anymore, and look on the forum simply as a chat room.
There is very little "management" can do about these matters, as the forum is made up of the people who frequent it, and that is changing rapidly.
The old members no longer post, we have very few female posters - hardly surprising given the way women are talked about on the forum - and if I had young kids I would be very wary of them reading some posts, given the content, on what is supposed to be, and used to be, a "family" site.
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Entwood, you're spot on. There's far too much political talk (IMO) and negatives :-\
TB... Although I do (sort of) agree with you I think that there's also the "normal" post winter low as well :-\ I know I've not been online as much as I used to be
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General Discussion Area for me is the internet version of stood at the end of the bar and having a beer with the lads.
Whatever is happening out there in the real world tends to get discused on here.
As for the meets, how about sorting a decient sized meet over on the east coast :y
Not a good analogy.
With all due respect to the admin team, there`s nobody "at the end of the bar" pressing a "nuke button" if anything said is deemed non-PC. At the end of the day we all know not to post racist/ethnic/insulting etc comments but please FFS it`s predominantly a car forum with divergent sub-sections and as such a certain sub-section, namely Gen Diss will inevitably contain threads that to some may be considered non-PC, but, if said threads do not appear to offend/insult, leave them be. PC is for the bureaucratic pen-pushers not bloody car forums
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As for the meets, how about sorting a decient sized meet over on the east coast :y
The locations for the 2 "National" meets have come about based on a North-ish and South-ish location, and finding sites that have suitable facilities and will take large groups.
There was a York meet for a couple of years, although it did lack facilities, esp for the ladies.
Plenty of decient sites on the east coast.
Whether its East Yorks / Northumberland or Lincolnshire / Norfolk area :-\
It would be great for the lads who live on this side of the penines.
Also, for 2 years running, Lazydocker arranged a meet near Kings Lynn, but stopped when it became an Adults Only site.
sir moanalot first started that one, yes it was a shame as we had undercover working areas.a bloomin good meet it was too.
:)
He did indeed organise it the first year. I did start hunting fore another site but finding somewhere that will take a group is quite hard ;) That said, I may have found a suitable place near me but I don't know what the facilities are like yet. If it's OK we would probably have the whole site to ourselves ;)
Personally, travelling to the Lakes/Newent is part of the fun. They are both great meets and I'm hoping to be at one of them at least this year (even if the nearest one is over 500 miles round trip) ;) :y
sounds good. keep us informed paul. :y
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The debacle ( please tell me I'm wrong)
Entwoods point( I don't like it but it's a valid point)
Politics in excess (and nothing else by some members)
Endless negative threads in Gen chat ( I logged on last week and every single thread was depressing)
Also in agreement with the goings on in General Discussion. Far too much negativity and very unwelcoming. I love this forum but dislike the General Discussion section. Everytime a Daily Hate Mail link is posted (usually by the same people) its always something to do with foreigners/muslims/coloured people. I just avoid that part of the forum.
I bet I'll get lynched now :-X
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Chris .. I know I've already posted .. but to pick up on your post .. :(
Agree with virtually everything you say .... it is of specific note to me that NEITHER Jim/LJay or Daz have shown interest in the lakes ...
One would have hoped that this would have been the ideal point to shake hands, share a beer, and put it all behind them ... but I feel that just won't happen ... too many entrenched points of view I guess .. and that sort of sums up the way Gen Dis is... :(
I'll shut up now ...
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The debacle ( please tell me I'm wrong)
Entwoods point( I don't like it but it's a valid point)
Politics in excess (and nothing else by some members)
Endless negative threads in Gen chat ( I logged on last week and every single thread was depressing)
Also in agreement with the goings on in General Discussion. Far too much negativity and very unwelcoming. I love this forum but dislike the General Discussion section. Everytime a Daily Hate Mail link is posted (usually by the same people) its always something to do with foreigners/muslims/coloured people. I just avoid that part of the forum.
I bet I'll get lynched now :-X
Think this is the idea The Boy had for this thread mate.
Get things off peoples chests as it were.
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Chris .. I know I've already posted .. but to pick up on your post .. :(
Agree with virtually everything you say .... it is of specific note to me that NEITHER Jim/LJay or Daz have shown interest in the lakes ...
One would have hoped that this would have been the ideal point to shake hands, share a beer, and put it all behind them ... but I feel that just won't happen ... too many entrenched points of view I guess .. and that sort of sums up the way Gen Dis is... :(
I'l shut up now ...
Why shut up now?
Your entitled to your opinion
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There has been IMO a general lack of enthusiasm in all walks of life going back a year or two . A lot people in the UK are having a hard time with the current recession & rising prices . There is an awful lot of doom & gloom around everyone at the moment & this rubs off in the postings on a forumn like this one.
I am Chairman of a regional (Essex)guitar club which has been going for 15years , all of a sudden over the last year or so , attendances have dropped & the spirit & energy of the members has waned alarmingly. So much in fact that it seems the club may fold at the end of this year. No ones fault it is just what the current state of affairs in this country has brought on the people.
Going back to the Oof forum, I find that there is not as much posting on most of the areas as there used to be & the banter & fun has subdued somewhat. With mechanical & electrical items a lot has been covered & is available on the "search" facility, so members & more so"new" members do not have to post as many questions because the answers are already there if you look.
We have , once again IMO, one of the most comprehensive maintenance sections of any car forum, again the answers & details are ateady there for all.
This forum was started by just a few & is indeed a credit to them but as time goes on & Omegas become rarer, it may well end up with just a few again ,who knows.
By being part of this forum I have increased my knowledge of the Omega 100x & I have met & socialised with some great people who are now considered good friends .
All I can say is long Live OOF & thanks to those who started it :y :y :y
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Chris .. I know I've already posted .. but to pick up on your post .. :(
Agree with virtually everything you say .... it is of specific note to me that NEITHER Jim/LJay or Daz have shown interest in the lakes ...
One would have hoped that this would have been the ideal point to shake hands, share a beer, and put it all behind them ... but I feel that just won't happen ... too many entrenched points of view I guess .. and that sort of sums up the way Gen Dis is... :(
I'll shut up now ...
Credit where credit is due Nige. Daz has organised the venue, he could easily have stuck two fingers up ;)
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I realise i'm hardly what you would call a regular but I stopped visiting so much when I parked the mig for the last time prior to scrapping. I suspect that's the main reason for the drop off, the number of possible members goes down with every car scrapped. And as an aside I will say that for an owners site we seem to have a more than unhealthy interest in reducing the numbers available(although I do realise that it's more profitable to scrap than sell in a lot of cases).
Rather strong adjective to use T. If Omega`s weren`t being dismantled to keep others roadworthy OOF`s days would be numbered, fact.
I'm not sure it is too strong, obviously a lot of spares are being used to keep others going but i'd argue that a lot of what's being sold is in fact upgrade parts because they have the big ticket value. I'd like to bet the number of Elite/MV6 being broken is significantly higher than CD and CDX for exactly that reason. When I knew my old bus was becoming a money pit I enquired after a couple of 'project' cars to replace mine and didn't even get a reply, a few days later they appeared as breakers.
I will also agree with a couple of other posts that their is a very distinct feeling of a clique on the boards, luckily i'm thick skinned and ignored it which let me see this board for the goldmine of helpful members that it is, others may not be willing/able to see through it though.
And not wishing to purely focus on the negative, this is by far and away the best car forum that I have been a member of. Not only in quality of information in the maintenance guides but in willingness to offer advice again and again to people who refuse to use the search button ;D
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Chris .. I know I've already posted .. but to pick up on your post .. :(
Agree with virtually everything you say .... it is of specific note to me that NEITHER Jim/LJay or Daz have shown interest in the lakes ...
One would have hoped that this would have been the ideal point to shake hands, share a beer, and put it all behind them ... but I feel that just won't happen ... too many entrenched points of view I guess .. and that sort of sums up the way Gen Dis is... :(
I'l shut up now ...
Why shut up now?
Your entitled to your opinion
I've posted twice ... well three times now .. and don't want to push my views too hard .. let others have their say. I would not want this thread, given its importance, to become an argument between a small number of folks... the more views given, and the broader opinion aired the better IMHO :y :y
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well said al and to be honest if you compare this to other motoring forums oof wins hands down the atmosphere is a bit strained at the moment and to be honest with all the moaning and doom and gloom i dont come on here as much that said try asking for help on a renault forum thats enough to depress anyone
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Does anyone feel apprehension about the Main meets since the unfortunate situation between Jimbob and loo knee. Ie the LJay debacle?
I suspect this may be behind the the low interest in the Lakes meet. But I do hope i am wrong.
Apologies for mentioning it, and risking dragging all that up again. It's a subject at the core of Oof IMO. One that risks everything. I desperately hope we have moved on but somehow... :-\
If the key point of Oof spirit is the meets as TB suspects, if I understand correctly, then I'd list problem areas in no particular order as;
The debacle ( please tell me I'm wrong)
Entwoods point( I don't like it but it's a valid point)
Politics in excess (and nothing else by some members)
Endless negative threads in Gen chat ( I logged on last week and every single thread was depressing)
Not sure I should post this but here goes ( wince )
I'm afraid I think you're pretty close to the mark Chris ;) The whole sorry affair was/has been/is/always(?) will be hanging over the Forum IMO :-\
As for the other points...Gen Dis is where the problems are IMHO, all other parts run well.
In Gen Dis there is now no proper laughter, those who think they are funny... aren't. Way too much masked swearing/profanity and insults.
Now "banter" is good .. but there is very little about, a few folks have their own "private" exchanges, which usually ends up with a few more masked swear words, that add nothing to the forum.
Political comment is overwhelming .. but don't anyone dare to give a contradictory viewpoint.. you will be leapt on by the small but vociferous few.
I don't think there's been a "careless", "pointless", "stupid" thread where folks simply talk rubbish for a long, long, while; simply because someone will either go to far, or more likely, take themselves too seriously and complain.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, and someone will accuse me of elitism/snobbery/whatever, but the personality/culture/profile/age of the folks who own Omegas has changed dramatically as the price of them has dropped.
This is mainly why the forum has changed IMHO. There is also the fact that many "members" don't actually own one anymore, and look on the forum simply as a chat room.
There is very little "management" can do about these matters, as the forum is made up of the people who frequent it, and that is changing rapidly.
The old members no longer post, we have very few female posters - hardly surprising given the way women are talked about on the forum - and if I had young kids I would be very wary of them reading some posts, given the content, on what is supposed to be, and used to be, a "family" site.
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Entwood, you're spot on. There's far too much political talk (IMO) and negatives :-\
TB... Although I do (sort of) agree with you I think that there's also the "normal" post winter low as well :-\ I know I've not been online as much as I used to be
Have I really got to agree with you again.... ::) ::)
I think that LD pulls some good points together, and I agree with the winter blues, and a month or more of rain has us all in low mood.............the Ljay/LK issue may have some element of underlying factor but we have had similar discussions about the forum long before this event.
I know there have been nights when I have been in stitches all evening and others where the subject matter has not been to my taste, rather than complain I simply don't post, there are also times when I would like to speak out more, but have to hold back, for professional reasons.......I do agree though with concerns about some of the vicious attacks on members who may dare to disagree with the op - there are more than one viewpoint but reasoned discussion has not always followed, which is sad.
The spirit of oof lives on, and we see lots of evidence to that effect in all the thank you threads, the Vamps family have often asked if there is any subject you can not get help or advice on? not sure there is, the other night we were talking about Hortic horet.. Plants..... :D :D :D
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Is the answer not to close the General Discussion board or request the purveyors of political matters, or other material not deemed to be in keeping with the general tenor of a car forum to desist or leave - I'm more than happy to abide by the wishes of those who consider this to be such a problem but for Christ’s sake lets not beat about the bush and continue to pick at this perceived sore.
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its been mentioned before and i think if there was an area locked off to browsers i.e you have to have so many posts to unlock an area where you can go in and say more than you can on the public forum,would it take more policeing or could it let certain dicussions move there to let off steam
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:P "I didn`t come here for an argument" ;D
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its been mentioned before and i think if there was an area locked off to browsers i.e you have to have so many posts to unlock an area where you can go in and say more than you can on the public forum,would it take more policeing or could it let certain dicussions move there to let off steam
I have suggested that before now - "Omega Amigos" naturally. 250 posts to be able to post. It would move the cliquey element to behind the scenes - not sure that is necessary though. The Boy certainly never thought it was a good idea.
We do live in depressing times unlike the years before when things were generally better. I do believe that is reflected in the forum
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its been mentioned before and i think if there was an area locked off to browsers i.e you have to have so many posts to unlock an area where you can go in and say more than you can on the public forum,would it take more policeing or could it let certain dicussions move there to let off steam
I have suggested that before now - "Omega Amigos" naturally. 250 posts to be able to post. It would move the cliquey element to behind the scenes - not sure that is necessary though. The Boy certainly never thought it was a good idea.
We do live in depressing times unlike the years before when things were generally better. I do believe that is reflected in the forum
I've got to admit that, having listened to his views and (personal) reasons against the idea I agree with him... It would produce a "split" community.
I'm still sure that things will pick up, especially in 7 weeks time after the Lakes, like they always do :y
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I agree that there is what appears to be a small clique, I noticed soon after I joined, but, has been said, I can ignore it.
That said, I find nothing wrong with the forum, some posts, I find, are very funny, others, that appear to be a little offensive, I will ignore.
The forum has been a great help with my motor. I'm not a big poster but have a read most days.
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Does anyone feel apprehension about the Main meets since the unfortunate situation between Jimbob and loo knee. Ie the LJay debacle?
I suspect this may be behind the the low interest in the Lakes meet. But I do hope i am wrong.
Apologies for mentioning it, and risking dragging all that up again. It's a subject at the core of Oof IMO. One that risks everything. I desperately hope we have moved on but somehow... :-\
If the key point of Oof spirit is the meets as TB suspects, if I understand correctly, then I'd list problem areas in no particular order as;
The debacle ( please tell me I'm wrong)
Entwoods point( I don't like it but it's a valid point)
Politics in excess (and nothing else by some members)
Endless negative threads in Gen chat ( I logged on last week and every single thread was depressing)
Not sure I should post this but here goes ( wince )
For me, yes Chris.
I'm really sorry you feel that way Daz. The work, time and personal finance you have put in to the Meets deserves real credit. Likewise, although in a different field, Jimbobs work with guides and IT stuff I don't pretend to understand is of great help to us all too. We need you both as members first off, and Admin need you both on top of that for support.
The situation is unfair on all involved. I feel a sense of anger about it, (but I'm aware I feel a sense of anger about most things ;D) it's a real shame mate tbh. I'd hope all involved can take a step outside the situation and see a bigger picture, although asking any more of members as involved as this already doesn't seem fair either. :-\
I don't know the answer Daz. But you, admin and mods, should be aware you are appreciated. Even though it may not feal like it on occasion. :)
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i enjoy this forum as it is
yuo can say what you like to who you like within reason if your wrong you get
your head bitten off or get the piss ripped out of you something wroten but we all remain freinds whitch is the main thing and an apology gos along way
my own personel opinion is there is no forum like this one its helpfull
to the point that people will break there backs to help each other out
they argue and take the mick but still remain freinds
nothing is too much trouble the members will spend as much time as needed to sort a problem out
but expect nothing in return
the best thing about this forum is the members who make this thing work
that is all the members of this forum
[off my high horse now] anyway we are all bloody crazy which helps
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It is a CLIQUE just look at the people who reply and agree with each other on this thread :(
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its been mentioned before and i think if there was an area locked off to browsers i.e you have to have so many posts to unlock an area where you can go in and say more than you can on the public forum,would it take more policeing or could it let certain dicussions move there to let off steam
I have suggested that before now - "Omega Amigos" naturally. 250 posts to be able to post. It would move the cliquey element to behind the scenes - not sure that is necessary though. The Boy certainly never thought it was a good idea.
We do live in depressing times unlike the years before when things were generally better. I do believe that is reflected in the forum
I've got to admit that, having listened to his views and (personal) reasons against the idea I agree with him... It would produce a "split" community.
I'm still sure that things will pick up, especially in 7 weeks time after the Lakes, like they always do :y
don't tell him I said so, but when sugesting ideas for oof, I've often found TB has usually turned out to be right. He's wrong about all else of course, but rarely about oof. ;)
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Does anyone feel apprehension about the Main meets since the unfortunate situation between Jimbob and loo knee. Ie the LJay debacle?
I suspect this may be behind the the low interest in the Lakes meet. But I do hope i am wrong.
Apologies for mentioning it, and risking dragging all that up again. It's a subject at the core of Oof IMO. One that risks everything. I desperately hope we have moved on but somehow... :-\
If the key point of Oof spirit is the meets as TB suspects, if I understand correctly, then I'd list problem areas in no particular order as;
The debacle ( please tell me I'm wrong)
Entwoods point( I don't like it but it's a valid point)
Politics in excess (and nothing else by some members)
Endless negative threads in Gen chat ( I logged on last week and every single thread was depressing)
Not sure I should post this but here goes ( wince )
For me, yes Chris.
I'm really sorry you feel that way Daz. The work, time and personal finance you have put in to the Meets deserves real credit. Likewise, although in a different field, Jimbobs work with guides and IT stuff I don't pretend to understand is of great help to us all too. We need you both as members first off, and Admin need you both on top of that for support.
The situation is unfair on all involved. I feel a sense of anger about it, (but I'm aware I feel a sense of anger about most things ;D) it's a real shame mate tbh. I'd hope all involved can take a step outside the situation and see a bigger picture, although asking any more of members as involved as this already doesn't seem fair either. :-\
I don't know the answer Daz. But you, admin and mods, should be aware you are appreciated. Even though it may not feal like it on occasion. :)
I aren't a member of the Admin Team anymore :)
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It is a CLIQUE just look at the people who reply and agree with each other on this thread :(
Methinks your definition of "Clique" may be incorrect .... from my dictionary ..
"Clique : A small group of people with shared interests, who spend time together and exclude others."
I have not seen ANYONE, in ANYWAY, excluded from any part of OOF, if you wish to participate you are free to do so, and you have already done so .. hence .. no "clique" exists.
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its been mentioned before and i think if there was an area locked off to browsers i.e you have to have so many posts to unlock an area where you can go in and say more than you can on the public forum,would it take more policeing or could it let certain dicussions move there to let off steam
I have suggested that before now - "Omega Amigos" naturally. 250 posts to be able to post. It would move the cliquey element to behind the scenes - not sure that is necessary though. The Boy certainly never thought it was a good idea.
We do live in depressing times unlike the years before when things were generally better. I do believe that is reflected in the forum
I've got to admit that, having listened to his views and (personal) reasons against the idea I agree with him... It would produce a "split" community.
I'm still sure that things will pick up, especially in 7 weeks time after the Lakes, like they always do :y
don't tell him I said so, but when sugesting ideas for oof, I've often found TB has usually turned out to be right. He's wrong about all else of course, but rarely about oof. ;) :y :y :y i got to agree
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It is a CLIQUE just look at the people who reply and agree with each other on this thread :(
It might come across as such but I don't feel that the OOF is a clique. Some of us have been here since Noah was a lad, have met each other & have made great friendships with each other. Having the same relationship with a name on the page is more difficult which is why the mention of cliques.
The ABS is also tagged with the same thing, but again, meeting people in the flesh makes the difference. :y
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Does anyone feel apprehension about the Main meets since the unfortunate situation between Jimbob and loo knee. Ie the LJay debacle?
I suspect this may be behind the the low interest in the Lakes meet. But I do hope i am wrong.
Apologies for mentioning it, and risking dragging all that up again. It's a subject at the core of Oof IMO. One that risks everything. I desperately hope we have moved on but somehow... :-\
If the key point of Oof spirit is the meets as TB suspects, if I understand correctly, then I'd list problem areas in no particular order as;
The debacle ( please tell me I'm wrong)
Entwoods point( I don't like it but it's a valid point)
Politics in excess (and nothing else by some members)
Endless negative threads in Gen chat ( I logged on last week and every single thread was depressing)
Not sure I should post this but here goes ( wince )
For me, yes Chris.
I'm really sorry you feel that way Daz. The work, time and personal finance you have put in to the Meets deserves real credit. Likewise, although in a different field, Jimbobs work with guides and IT stuff I don't pretend to understand is of great help to us all too. We need you both as members first off, and Admin need you both on top of that for support.
The situation is unfair on all involved. I feel a sense of anger about it, (but I'm aware I feel a sense of anger about most things ;D) it's a real shame mate tbh. I'd hope all involved can take a step outside the situation and see a bigger picture, although asking any more of members as involved as this already doesn't seem fair either. :-\
I don't know the answer Daz. But you, admin and mods, should be aware you are appreciated. Even though it may not feal like it on occasion. :)
I aren't a member of the Admin Team anymore :)
The whole thing might be perceived as "the elefant in the room" mate, tbh. I'm sue we've all noticed, but nobody wants to talk about it. Which isn't right either I guess...?
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May I say that personally I have not noticed the atmosphere outlined by TB, this may be because the few times that I check General diss, I am not particularly interested in some of what I consider, to be pointless and uninformed comments, and so rarely read it.
I agree that at times OOF may seem 'cliquey', but that is inevitable when a group of members meet regularly at big meets, and often help each other with tech. problems - which incidentally are invariably shared with us lesser mortals. I would enjoy joining the big meets, but quite frankly, at 75, I am not into tents or caravans, so it is, sadly, unlikely that I shall attend.
The comment about rudeness between members rings true, I myself have been on the receiving end of it because I wasn't as knowledgeable on a particular subject as the other party deemed I should have been, but that did not put me off the forum.
The JB/LJ/LK issue I know less than nothing about, so I can only assume it was something that occurred in General Diss, which, as said, I rarely visit.
I too thought the matter of the post count slashing, leading to one of our lady members leaving (thinking about it, General diss was quite interesting before she left), was handled rather badly in that many of us were completely at a loss to understand what was going on. Unfortunately what I was told had happened turned out to be wrong, but led me to make comments about a member which I would rather not have posted. I am sure this was very amusing incident to a certain number in the know, but left many of us feeling very uncomfortable, and did contribute to the 'clique' feeling.
My overall impression after 4 years is that the majority of people on the forum are more than happy to share their advice and expertise, and long may that attitude continue. :y :y :y
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Gen Dis is where the problems are IMHO, all other parts run well.
In Gen Dis there is now no proper laughter, those who think they are funny... aren't. Way too much masked swearing/profanity and insults.
Now "banter" is good .. but there is very little about, a few folks have their own "private" exchanges, which usually ends up with a few more masked swear words, that add nothing to the forum.
Political comment is overwhelming .. but don't anyone dare to give a contradictory viewpoint.. you will be leapt on by the small but vociferous few.
I don't think there's been a "careless", "pointless", "stupid" thread where folks simply talk rubbish for a long, long, while; simply because someone will either go to far, or more likely, take themselves too seriously and complain.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, and someone will accuse me of elitism/snobbery/whatever, but the personality/culture/profile/age of the folks who own Omegas has changed dramatically as the price of them has dropped.This is mainly why the forum has changed IMHO. There is also the fact that many "members" don't actually own one anymore, and look on the forum simply as a chat room.
There is very little "management" can do about these matters, as the forum is made up of the people who frequent it, and that is changing rapidly.
The old members no longer post, we have very few female posters - hardly surprising given the way women are talked about on the forum - and if I had young kids I would be very wary of them reading some posts, given the content, on what is supposed to be, and used to be, a "family" site.
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Please allow me to be the first Entwood! J'accuse! :)
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Is the answer not to close the General Discussion board or request the purveyors of political matters, or other material not deemed to be in keeping with the general tenor of a car forum to desist or leave - I'm more than happy to abide by the wishes of those who consider this to be such a problem but for Christ’s sake lets not beat about the bush and continue to pick at this perceived sore.
Quite agree, Den.
You know the fact that we all have/had Vauxhall Omegas in no way implies common ground on any other issue. We reflect society at large: the good, bad and ugly. We are not living in happy times and some of the posts reflect that. But it is good that if members feel unhappy about something they can post their views. It helps to know that others agree and we can have a joint rant.
If there is one thing I would change it is the sticky for jokes. I used to enjoy opening a thread and, unsuspectingly, come across a real howler. The sticky has moved the humour into a back cupboard, where few venture, I suspect. Some jokes deserve a thread of their own and enliven the board as a whole. :y
That said, Omega ownership will die out. It's inevitable. I mean, how many Model T forums are still in existence? ;) ;D
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Despite my status...(i left & rejoined) & i don't even have a Mig anymore but this place is special. Of course because of time, more members, fall outs & general dissent among the ranks the nature of the beast will change & this is what we have to address. I joined up just before the first Lakesmeet with my first Omega & only just got online!!!! so have seen allsorts happen good & bad & have been alot more "colorful" in my stroppy rants & rows than i am now, this being down to the ageing process which also comes with the loss of loved ones & has given me a sense of perspective hence my now subdued presence. Point being as the forum ages the members & said life experiences age relatively which will have an effect. I've made some real friends on here over the years so it's all worthwhile & i'll be sticking around despite not being as "entertaining" as i used to be!!!, GuyXXX
Debs, was that the 5 minute argument or the full half hour?
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Is the answer not to close the General Discussion board or request the purveyors of political matters, or other material not deemed to be in keeping with the general tenor of a car forum to desist or leave - I'm more than happy to abide by the wishes of those who consider this to be such a problem but for Christ’s sake lets not beat about the bush and continue to pick at this perceived sore.
Quite agree, Den.
You know the fact that we all have/had Vauxhall Omegas in no way implies common ground on any other issue. We reflect society at large: the good, bad and ugly. We are not living in happy times and some of the posts reflect that. But it is good that if members feel unhappy about something they can post their views. It helps to know that others agree and we can have a joint rant.
If there is one thing I would change it is the sticky for jokes. I used to enjoy opening a thread and, unsuspectingly, come across a real howler. The sticky has moved the humour into a back cupboard, where few venture, I suspect. Some jokes deserve a thread of their own and enliven the board as a whole. :y
That said, Omega ownership will die out. It's inevitable. I mean, how many Model T forums are still in existence? ;) ;D
Until they become classics like the big Granadas/Zodiacs/Crestas/Westminsters.... 8)
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TB in my view
i dont post as much and visit as much, used to be on all the time, and this year was supposed to be a get out to every possible meet but to be honest since the banning of Ljay etc its not been the same. I sat on the fence reading and yes i supported Daz but never slated Ljay but read in dissapointment at what others said and Jimbob etc. Dont get me wrong appreciated admins position but there were no winners only loosers.
other things for me not being able to give advice on cars so my main area was general chat and the banter with people such as millwall, richie, daz etc but they are not on as much
dont get me wrong there are still lots of good bits on here and some fercking great characters even mary whithouse ent...d. I dont know just does not seem to be so much banter it all seems to get so serious from silly subjects like knocking a door way through blah blah
but then again i have only been here a year
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Is the answer not to close the General Discussion board or request the purveyors of political matters, or other material not deemed to be in keeping with the general tenor of a car forum to desist or leave - I'm more than happy to abide by the wishes of those who consider this to be such a problem but for Christ’s sake lets not beat about the bush and continue to pick at this perceived sore.
Quite agree, Den.
You know the fact that we all have/had Vauxhall Omegas in no way implies common ground on any other issue. We reflect society at large: the good, bad and ugly. We are not living in happy times and some of the posts reflect that. But it is good that if members feel unhappy about something they can post their views. It helps to know that others agree and we can have a joint rant.
If there is one thing I would change it is the sticky for jokes. I used to enjoy opening a thread and, unsuspectingly, come across a real howler. The sticky has moved the humour into a back cupboard, where few venture, I suspect. Some jokes deserve a thread of their own and enliven the board as a whole. :y
That said, Omega ownership will die out. It's inevitable. I mean, how many Model T forums are still in existence? ;) ;D
Until they become classics like the big Granadas/Zodiacs/Crestas/Westminsters.... 8)
Amd we will all turn around at classic car meets and say to the current owner, 'I used to have one of those'....... :D :D :D
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I've not owned an Omega for over a year but I still log in here every day but seem to spend most of my time in "general car chat" these days,I'm just not overly interested in a lot of the threads in "gen dis" but each to there own :y,I'm also a member of a couple of other car/4x4 forums and while informative they are not a patch on this one.
I agree with a lot of Entwoods points especially about the ownership model changing with the newest vehicles being 8 or so years old
Lastly I would like to thank the admin team for keeping a "tight" ship here,those that don't know what I mean go look at somewhere like "anything goes" on landyzone will get the general idea :-\.
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It is a CLIQUE just look at the people who reply and agree with each other on this thread :(
It might come across as such but I don't feel that the OOF is a clique. Some of us have been here since Noah was a lad, have met each other & have made great friendships with each other. Having the same relationship with a name on the page is more difficult which is why the mention of cliques.
The ABS is also tagged with the same thing, but again, meeting people in the flesh makes the difference. :y
You've summed that up perfectly Andy. To any of you who feel left out or think there is some kind of...dare i say ELITE element to our forum, get yourself along to a meet. You'll be made very welcome. Guy. :y
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I think this is a fantastic forum and kicks the other car forums I have frequented into the long grass :y :y :y
It is mainly the reason that my 12 year old/210,000 miles Omega is still with me 6 years on, which is the longest I have ever owned a car!!! :) So many many thanks for all the advice, how to guides and affordable parts!!! :y :y :y
There seems to be a few who don't like the GenDiss section, but I enjoy it as you get to read opinions from all walks of life across a broad spectrum of subjects! :y Although if I'm honest, I find the 'Woe is me, my goat died last night' type of thread pretty tedious.... :-\ But that's simple I just don't read them! ::) and in my opinion that's what everyone should do, rather than wade through a thread they have no interest in and then grumble about it!!! ::)
Does OOF need fixing? ??? Not really IMO, but it's bound to evolve and change over time like any organisation. ???
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The debacle ( please tell me I'm wrong)
Entwoods point( I don't like it but it's a valid point)
Politics in excess (and nothing else by some members)
Endless negative threads in Gen chat ( I logged on last week and every single thread was depressing)
Also in agreement with the goings on in General Discussion. Far too much negativity and very unwelcoming. I love this forum but dislike the General Discussion section. Everytime a Daily Hate Mail link is posted (usually by the same people) its always something to do with foreigners/muslims/coloured people. I just avoid that part of the forum.
I bet I'll get lynched now :-X
No reason you should be lynched, you're allowed to voice your opinions. The age old argument that this is a car forum is well worn out now. Point is our forum has options for all, same as the telly. We can choose what to watch. If we don't like one particular channel we don't watch it & stick to the ones we like. Guy. :y
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It is a CLIQUE just look at the people who reply and agree with each other on this thread :(
Methinks your definition of "Clique" may be incorrect .... from my dictionary ..
"Clique : A small group of people with shared interests, who spend time together and exclude others."
I have not seen ANYONE, in ANYWAY, excluded from any part of OOF, if you wish to participate you are free to do so, and you have already done so .. hence .. no "clique" exists.
Don't be so bloody pedantic, you know exactly what I mean and so do alot of others. This is the problem you are paly, paly with your pals :(
You reply to me this time but ignore my previous post on this topic ::)
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It is a CLIQUE just look at the people who reply and agree with each other on this thread :(
Methinks your definition of "Clique" may be incorrect .... from my dictionary ..
"Clique : A small group of people with shared interests, who spend time together and exclude others."
I have not seen ANYONE, in ANYWAY, excluded from any part of OOF, if you wish to participate you are free to do so, and you have already done so .. hence .. no "clique" exists.
Don't be so bloody pedantic, you know exactly what I mean and so do alot of others. This is the problem you are paly, paly with your pals :(
You reply to me this time but ignore my previous post on this topic ::)
You must remember Cleggy that a lot of these guys know each other personally,that isn't being in a clique,they are just mates chatting online :y
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I think this is a fantastic forum and kicks the other car forums I have frequented into the long grass :y :y :y
It is mainly the reason that my 12 year old/210,000 miles Omega is still with me 6 years on, which is the longest I have ever owned a car!!! :) So many many thanks for all the advice, how to guides and affordable parts!!! :y :y :y
There seems to be a few who don't like the GenDiss section, but I enjoy it as you get to read opinions from all walks of life across a broad spectrum of subjects! :y Although if I'm honest, I find the 'Woe is me, my goat died last night' type of thread pretty tedious.... :-\ But that's simple I just don't read them! ::) and in my opinion that's what everyone should do, rather than wade through a thread they have no interest in and then grumble about it!!! ::)
Does OOF need fixing? ??? Not really IMO, but it's bound to evolve and change over time like any organisation. ???
How insensitive! >:( >:(
My pet goat, Billy, escaped last week and was found today dead at the roadside in West Dorset. Police are looking for the driver of an Omega who was seen wiping blood off his bumper while filling with LPG at a local filling station. :P
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I think this is a fantastic forum and kicks the other car forums I have frequented into the long grass :y :y :y
It is mainly the reason that my 12 year old/210,000 miles Omega is still with me 6 years on, which is the longest I have ever owned a car!!! :) So many many thanks for all the advice, how to guides and affordable parts!!! :y :y :y
There seems to be a few who don't like the GenDiss section, but I enjoy it as you get to read opinions from all walks of life across a broad spectrum of subjects! :y Although if I'm honest, I find the 'Woe is me, my goat died last night' type of thread pretty tedious.... :-\ But that's simple I just don't read them! ::) and in my opinion that's what everyone should do, rather than wade through a thread they have no interest in and then grumble about it!!! ::)
Does OOF need fixing? ??? Not really IMO, but it's bound to evolve and change over time like any organisation. ???
How insensitive! >:( >:(
My pet goat, Billy, escaped last week and was found today dead at the roadside in West Dorset. Police are looking for the driver of an Omega who was seen wiping blood off his bumper while filling with LPG at a local filling station. :P
;D ;D ;D
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It is a CLIQUE just look at the people who reply and agree with each other on this thread :(
Methinks your definition of "Clique" may be incorrect .... from my dictionary ..
"Clique : A small group of people with shared interests, who spend time together and exclude others."
I have not seen ANYONE, in ANYWAY, excluded from any part of OOF, if you wish to participate you are free to do so, and you have already done so .. hence .. no "clique" exists.
Don't be so bloody pedantic, you know exactly what I mean and so do alot of others. This is the problem you are paly, paly with your pals :(
You reply to me this time but ignore my previous post on this topic ::)
I am not quite sure what you are getting at, we all had to start at some point, took me some weeks to post as I thought everyone knows each other, but was soon welcomed and began to post like others..... :)
Someone previously mentioned about meets, it is true, many of us on here have met personally, shared a beer and been out and enjoyed activities together, so naturally build up friendships and understandings that you can not develop through the written word on a forum...........It is not just on forums that people can easily take offence, today I had to chair a meeting and one of the biggest problem was dealing with a disagreement that was not well worded in an email and offence was taken...........rambling now so will stop, want to get more involved.....join in..... :y :y :y
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It is a CLIQUE just look at the people who reply and agree with each other on this thread :(
Methinks your definition of "Clique" may be incorrect .... from my dictionary ..
"Clique : A small group of people with shared interests, who spend time together and exclude others."
I have not seen ANYONE, in ANYWAY, excluded from any part of OOF, if you wish to participate you are free to do so, and you have already done so .. hence .. no "clique" exists.
Don't be so bloody pedantic, you know exactly what I mean and so do alot of others. This is the problem you are paly, paly with your pals :(
You reply to me this time but ignore my previous post on this topic ::)
I am not quite sure what you are getting at, we all had to start at some point, took me some weeks to post as I thought everyone knows each other, but was soon welcomed and began to post like others..... :)
Someone previously mentioned about meets, it is true, many of us on here have met personally, shared a beer and been out and enjoyed activities together, so naturally build up friendships and understandings that you can not develop through the written work on a forum...........It is not just on forums that people can easily take offence, today I had to chair a meeting and one of the biggest problem was dealing with a disagreement that was not well worded in an email and offence was taken...........rambling now so will stop, want to get more involved.....join in..... :y :y :y
That's what I was trying to say Vamps,only you did it better :-[ :y
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it's all about the people really - people come here for different things, some come for banter, some for technical help, some to share technical knowledge, some to sell cars, some for access to parts.
The managemnent team must look at the people's needs and ensure that they are catered for, BUT the needs necessarily alter as time goes on, especially as the Omega has moved from being a "new purchase" very firmly into "bargain basement" territory.
I come here to find answers to problems, to share knowledge and to get access to spares if needed, and also because I've been around a while to check in with the friends I've made while on here.
On the flip-side, I've no real interest in "banter", it'll not get my Omega running any better, I rarely visit the general forum and haven't once read anything on the jokes post.
On the whole, I've found it refreshing after other fora, free from idiots talking 'dangle berries', free from cliques and free from spammers and trolls - there's nothing that needs to change for my tastes.
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It used to be a very special place to spend a lot of time.Its not anymore.There are various reasons why it isnt,and we could all argue and debate them until the cows come home (and have done many times)but it wont change anything.That special atmosphere has gone and it wont come back imo.You cant manufacture or contrive something like that,it just happens.
Not the end of the world though,its only a car forum. No point getting things out of perspective.
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Is the answer not to close the General Discussion board or request the purveyors of political matters, or other material not deemed to be in keeping with the general tenor of a car forum to desist or leave - I'm more than happy to abide by the wishes of those who consider this to be such a problem but for Christ’s sake lets not beat about the bush and continue to pick at this perceived sore.
Quite agree, Den.
You know the fact that we all have/had Vauxhall Omegas in no way implies common ground on any other issue. We reflect society at large: the good, bad and ugly. We are not living in happy times and some of the posts reflect that. But it is good that if members feel unhappy about something they can post their views. It helps to know that others agree and we can have a joint rant.
If there is one thing I would change it is the sticky for jokes. I used to enjoy opening a thread and, unsuspectingly, come across a real howler. The sticky has moved the humour into a back cupboard, where few venture, I suspect. Some jokes deserve a thread of their own and enliven the board as a whole. :y
That said, Omega ownership will die out. It's inevitable. I mean, how many Model T forums are still in existence? ;) ;D
I no longer drive an Omega, although my partner still has an 03 Estate. I still regularly come onto OOF and will try and pass on some of the specific knowledge I have gained off this forum together with my long experience of working on motors generally, to newer forum members.
I am now a member of a couple of Jaguar forums and compared to OOF they are crap - and the same comments are being made there.. Some evenings I am the only member logged on to one of them, and talk about the snobbery of guys owning old rubbishy Jags - unbelievable!! A bit of a shock after OOF - even got asked what FFS meant ???
OOF still has a lot going for it, although I do agree the Daz/Jimbob/Ljay incident has caused major upsets - still miss the LK banter and humour!!
Yes the forum does seem more subdued of late - maybe time of the year is a contributory factor as is the lack of LK banter.
Agree with Nickbat's comment re the sticky jokes (joke get it 8)) - don't bother posting jokes now and rarely read that sticky - shame used to enjoy the jokes in Gen Discusssion.
This is just my opinion and perception ;)
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I think this is a fantastic forum and kicks the other car forums I have frequented into the long grass :y :y :y
It is mainly the reason that my 12 year old/210,000 miles Omega is still with me 6 years on, which is the longest I have ever owned a car!!! :) So many many thanks for all the advice, how to guides and affordable parts!!! :y :y :y
There seems to be a few who don't like the GenDiss section, but I enjoy it as you get to read opinions from all walks of life across a broad spectrum of subjects! :y Although if I'm honest, I find the 'Woe is me, my goat died last night' type of thread pretty tedious.... :-\ But that's simple I just don't read them! ::) and in my opinion that's what everyone should do, rather than wade through a thread they have no interest in and then grumble about it!!! ::)
Does OOF need fixing? ??? Not really IMO, but it's bound to evolve and change over time like any organisation. ???
How insensitive! >:( >:(
My pet goat, Billy, escaped last week and was found today dead at the roadside in West Dorset. Police are looking for the driver of an Omega who was seen wiping blood off his bumper while filling with LPG at a local filling station. :P
Ooo That was yours?? :o I was going to chuck it into the boot as normal, but I'd read Entwood's advice on roadkill* ::) so thought I'd better leave it...... Shame as he was nice and meaty and I bloody love roast goat!!! :-* :-* :-*
* See 'Deerstrike'
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This is my own personal view.
I have been on here for over 5 years and used to love getting on here every night, many times crying with laughter. Could not wait to get on the following night. Some reading this will probably laugh but its true.
The Meets brilliant fun. The same people always go, I could write down now who will go to each meet... there will be the odd new face but as a rule the same people go. So we all get to know each other well, some better than others as friendships strike up.
Quizzes were run with teams on msn so we could confere with our answers....
To me if certain people did not start the laughter or banter whatever you want to call it... it never happens.
As for the trouble with Ljay & myself that to me was not the problem. It was Jimbob's banning of me for saying two words, "Boring" on the open forum which Ljay herself has said on numerous occasions, then "Y awn" in answer to a PM I recieved from Ljay.
Then the way the Admin Team went about sorting it. It seemed to drag on and on almost coming over as they really didn't care anyway.
What the Admin Team did seem to miss was the fact several people did feel strongly (and still do) about what happened, but weren't aloud to voice their opinions without getting their posts deleted etc... this then caused more unrest. I was rather hurt to say the least and decided to hit the Delete your account button.
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I think this is a fantastic forum and kicks the other car forums I have frequented into the long grass :y :y :y
It is mainly the reason that my 12 year old/210,000 miles Omega is still with me 6 years on, which is the longest I have ever owned a car!!! :) So many many thanks for all the advice, how to guides and affordable parts!!! :y :y :y
There seems to be a few who don't like the GenDiss section, but I enjoy it as you get to read opinions from all walks of life across a broad spectrum of subjects! :y Although if I'm honest, I find the 'Woe is me, my goat died last night' type of thread pretty tedious.... :-\ But that's simple I just don't read them! ::) and in my opinion that's what everyone should do, rather than wade through a thread they have no interest in and then grumble about it!!! ::)
Does OOF need fixing? ??? Not really IMO, but it's bound to evolve and change over time like any organisation. ???
How insensitive! >:( >:(
My pet goat, Billy, escaped last week and was found today dead at the roadside in West Dorset. Police are looking for the driver of an Omega who was seen wiping blood off his bumper while filling with LPG at a local filling station. :P
Ooo That was yours?? :o I was going to chuck it into the boot as normal, but I'd read Entwood's advice on roadkill* ::) so thought I'd better leave it...... Shame as he was nice and meaty and I bloody love roast goat!!! :-* :-* :-*
* See 'Deerstrike'
"Chuck it in the boot" ??? Your insensitivity knows no bounds.
Billy was not just a goat. He was a companion to Barry, my pet bat, who recently underwent a long and grueling operation for cataracts. He was also the mascot for the the local branch of Samaritans. Many was the hour he would stand outside the DIY store on a Saturday and aid collections, as well as giving people the will to live.
You should also note that, prior to his sad demise at your hands, he had received a letter informing him that his long-awaited consultation with an ass consultant had been pencilled in for early 2013 (subject to government cuts).
He could have led a long and happy life (well, maybe not happy, but at least oblivious given the likely behavioural drug programme the dodgy consultant would have prescribed). Sadly, he has now departed this mortal coil, his life cruelly cut short by an LPG junkie, who clearly puts cost per litre above the life of a four-footed (well, three actually, owing to an unfortunate incident with a 1959 Morris Minor) animal who wanted to cause you no harm.
How do you feel, now? ;) :P
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I would agree with all of what Daz posted tbh. It was a very unfortunate incident,and Im afraid imo,it was handled very badly indeed. The result from my own point of view was a loss of respect for the admin team,which I find very sad,as previously I held them in high regard.
I too remember with great fondness the nights of almost laughing myself sick from the antics on OOF,and its sad to think they are gone.That side of the forum has been in decline for quite a long time imo,but for me (and I know for other long standing members) the handling of the aforementioned incident was almost the final nail in the coffin.The atmosphere has been very frosty ever since.The result of taking the easy options rather than doing what was right ?
Im now at the point where it wouldnt really bother me too much if TB decided to pull the plug tomorrow.
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This is my own personal view.
I have been on here for over 5 years and used to love getting on here every night, many times crying with laughter. Could not wait to get on the following night. Some reading this will probably laugh but its true.
The Meets brilliant fun. The same people always go, I could write down now who will go to each meet... there will be the odd new face but as a rule the same people go. So we all get to know each other well, some better than others as friendships strike up.
Quizzes were run with teams on msn so we could confere with our answers....
To me if certain people did not start the laughter or banter whatever you want to call it... it never happens.
As for the trouble with Ljay & myself that to me was not the problem. It was Jimbob's banning of me for saying two words, "Boring" on the open forum which Ljay herself has said on numerous occasions, then "Y awn" in answer to a PM I recieved from Ljay.
Then the way the Admin Team went about sorting it. It seemed to drag on and on almost coming over as they really didn't care anyway.
What the Admin Team did seem to miss was the fact several people did feel strongly (and still do) about what happened, but weren't aloud to voice their opinions without getting their posts deleted etc... this then caused more unrest. I was rather hurt to say the least and decided to hit the Delete your account button.
To add to that.
Ljay had apparently upset people before so why ban her then? why not before ? to be fair that hardly seemed right.....
I do however think Jimbob should have been stripped for his Banning in favour of his wife, then also to be found out that he had been letting his wife read the Admin Area.. and yet still get away Scott Free if you like.... ???
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I dont get online much these days and that's no reflection of thie site or events no so recently passed either, purely a temporary geographical issue I am having right now. Otherwise I would do my daily dealing of banter, or at least try.
But that's what I feel is missing, previously a laugh could be had at our own or each other's expense. The mantle of who's turn it was moved around. Nowadays I feel people are too apprehensive of upsetting others on here. I have typed many a reply on a thread in he last 12 months only to hover over the post button and never click it, purely because of the way it would be perceived by others.
There is a hangover from recent and previous events which I feel contribute to this effect, not all from the same person but certainly often from the same people. There was an element of jumping on bandwagons instead of the Live and Let Die attitude of just get on with it.
In the end everyone has a different thickness of skin, and can be emotive about some subjects more than others. And yes I look introspecively at that comment. But if there was a general undersanding that GDA is a place for piss taking as much as infomed chat which was written in to the terms and conditions/rules, maybe then people would understand that you everyone can contributethere but dont be upset if you get a little friendly banter in the process.
And in typical mititary tradition, I only take the piss out of or wind up people I like..... prett sure I'm not the only one.
I dunno, just my tuppence (and 40% of my daily internet allowance)
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I wasn't going to post on this thread again but...
To people who think there are "Cliques" on here, I suppose that could be perceived that way. I have made some very good friendships and see members from here quite often by either them or us making the effort to travel and see each other (generally some 250 odd mile round trip) ;) The breakers on here could also be conceived as a "Clique" because they have struck up a relationship, see each other regularly (again, by making the effort to travel and see each other) and share jokes that some of us (me included) have no idea what they're about. That's the way of the world!
I've made some very good friendships on here and many more good acquaintances and if OOF folded tomorrow I'd still be in touch with many of them ;)
Like "Real Life", you get out of this forum proportionately to what you put in ;)
But, all that said, I stand by what I said... I'm sure things will pick up in a few weeks when the big meets start and the weather improves :y
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I dont get online much these days and that's no reflection of thie site or events no so recently passed either, purely a temporary geographical issue I am having right now. Otherwise I would do my daily dealing of banter, or at least try.
But that's what I feel is missing, previously a laugh could be had at our own or each other's expense. The mantle of who's turn it was moved around. Nowadays I feel people are too apprehensive of upsetting others on here. I have typed many a reply on a thread in he last 12 months only to hover over the post button and never click it, purely because of the way it would be perceived by others.
There is a hangover from recent and previous events which I feel contribute to this effect, not all from the same person but certainly often from the same people. There was an element of jumping on bandwagons instead of the Live and Let Die attitude of just get on with it.
In the end everyone has a different thickness of skin, and can be emotive about some subjects more than others. And yes I look introspecively at that comment. But if there was a general undersanding that GDA is a place for piss taking as much as infomed chat which was written in to the terms and conditions/rules, maybe then people would understand that you everyone can contributethere but dont be upset if you get a little friendly banter in the process.
And in typical mititary tradition, I only take the piss out of or wind up people I like..... prett sure I'm not the only one.
I dunno, just my tuppence (and 40% of my daily internet allowance)
spot on fluffer and Daz ref banter oh yes and Albs........these are all long standing members that would have tears rolling down my face amongst others..even that scotts fella whats his name oh yes dundee he was funny now and again :o.
The technicall issues answers help etc just amaze me not a site like it without paying top dollar etc
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It is a CLIQUE just look at the people who reply and agree with each other on this thread :(
Methinks your definition of "Clique" may be incorrect .... from my dictionary ..
"Clique : A small group of people with shared interests, who spend time together and exclude others."
I have not seen ANYONE, in ANYWAY, excluded from any part of OOF, if you wish to participate you are free to do so, and you have already done so .. hence .. no "clique" exists.
Don't be so bloody pedantic, you know exactly what I mean and so do alot of others. This is the problem you are paly, paly with your pals :(
You reply to me this time but ignore my previous post on this topic ::)
I wasnt going to post in this thread.......but this sums up whats wrong with OOF imo...
Silly little squabbles..... :(
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This is my own personal view.
I have been on here for over 5 years and used to love getting on here every night, many times crying with laughter. Could not wait to get on the following night. Some reading this will probably laugh but its true.
The Meets brilliant fun. The same people always go, I could write down now who will go to each meet... there will be the odd new face but as a rule the same people go. So we all get to know each other well, some better than others as friendships strike up.
Quizzes were run with teams on msn so we could confere with our answers....
To me if certain people did not start the laughter or banter whatever you want to call it... it never happens.
As for the trouble with Ljay & myself that to me was not the problem. It was Jimbob's banning of me for saying two words, "Boring" on the open forum which Ljay herself has said on numerous occasions, then "Y awn" in answer to a PM I recieved from Ljay.
Then the way the Admin Team went about sorting it. It seemed to drag on and on almost coming over as they really didn't care anyway.
What the Admin Team did seem to miss was the fact several people did feel strongly (and still do) about what happened, but weren't aloud to voice their opinions without getting their posts deleted etc... this then caused more unrest. I was rather hurt to say the least and decided to hit the Delete your account button.
To add to that.
Ljay had apparently upset people before so why ban her then? why not before ? to be fair that hardly seemed right.....
I do however think Jimbob should have been stripped for his Banning in favour of his wife, then also to be found out that he had been letting his wife read the Admin Area.. and yet still get away Scott Free if you like.... ???
totally agree daz and i think that it didnt happen annoyed folk,i made a few light hearted jokes at the time that i believe ljay would have chuckled to or replied back with a joke but jimbob took it upon himself to act in her favour and delete my post and then pm me and make me feel like a little boy being told off by his dad(the way he worded them)
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The LJay situation should never have been allowed to develop to the extent that it did. Her contributions where disruptive from way before. Something no other member would ever have got away with. A very difficult situation to handle without up setting the otherwise very content status quo. A fact she knew all too well, played on massively, and got away with time and time again. Presumably we where all hoping that someone, anyone, would deal with it somehow. It never happened and here we are.
There's very little been said here I don't agree with, except possibly the clique thing, although I can see where people are coming from to an extent with that one.
Thing is, whats done is done. What to do about it...? :)
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And should have added in there somewhere, it's very easy being wise after the event sitting here.
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Personally I think the forum has not been as much fun as it used to be well before the Daz/Ljay incident. I said to TB a while back that I think the helpful spirit of the forum changed when people like myself started charging for work to be done on Omegas which has all but put an end to cambelt parties. The cambelt parties were a great place for people to put names to faces which would then encourage more people to the Lakes and Newent, it also helps when your having a bit of banter on the forum because you know the person you are having the banter with so they are less likely to take offence.
I know I might be cutting my own throat here because since loosing my job the Omega money is my only income but its what I think has changed the forum :-\
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Personally I think the forum has not been as much fun as it used to be well before the Daz/Ljay incident. I said to TB a while back that I think the helpful spirit of the forum changed when people like myself started charging for work to be done on Omegas which has all but put an end to cambelt parties. The cambelt parties were a great place for people to put names to faces which would then encourage more people to the Lakes and Newent, it also helps when your having a bit of banter on the forum because you know the person you are having the banter with so they are less likely to take offence.
I know I might be cutting my own throat here because since loosing my job the Omega money is my only income but its what I think has changed the forum :-\
You could be right, although in my mind, there's nothing wrong with charging for work done, giving someone a bung for something you can't do youself, or helping a mate out for free, it's your choice in the end, it would cost far more to take an Omega to a garage, with no guarantee as to what had been done, or if it had been done correctly.
The last cambelt meet (at Timbucks place) was probably the best meet ever in my opinion.
I can still see TB trying to get out of that mobile toilet ;D
Everybody wanted to help everybody.
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Personally I think the forum has not been as much fun as it used to be well before the Daz/Ljay incident. I said to TB a while back that I think the helpful spirit of the forum changed when people like myself started charging for work to be done on Omegas which has all but put an end to cambelt parties. The cambelt parties were a great place for people to put names to faces which would then encourage more people to the Lakes and Newent, it also helps when your having a bit of banter on the forum because you know the person you are having the banter with so they are less likely to take offence.
I know I might be cutting my own throat here because since loosing my job the Omega money is my only income but its what I think has changed the forum :-\
So Its Petes fault
glads thats sorted..stone him then ban him and stone him some more.
personally i think the service Pete, james and Daz and others offer is one of the attractions of the forum Daz has saved me an absolute fortune and in honesty if it was not form him the cost of repairing my car would have been uneconmical
if you should choose to do it for free at meets and i know you do its your choice but imho the money you save members and what you do for it you should get a pat on the back and back side for Daz :y
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Personally I think the forum has not been as much fun as it used to be well before the Daz/Ljay incident. I said to TB a while back that I think the helpful spirit of the forum changed when people like myself started charging for work to be done on Omegas which has all but put an end to cambelt parties. The cambelt parties were a great place for people to put names to faces which would then encourage more people to the Lakes and Newent, it also helps when your having a bit of banter on the forum because you know the person you are having the banter with so they are less likely to take offence.
I know I might be cutting my own throat here because since loosing my job the Omega money is my only income but its what I think has changed the forum :-\
So Its Petes fault
glads thats sorted..stone him then ban him and stone him some more.
personally i think the service Pete, james and Daz and others offer is one of the attractions of the forum Daz has saved me an absolute fortune and in honesty if it was not form him the cost of repairing my car would have been uneconmical
if you should choose to do it for free at meets and i know you do its your choice but imho the money you save members and what you do for it you should get a pat on the back and back side for Daz :y
But thats my point. The cambelt meets were done for free with everyone helping each other over a weekend then it was off for a meal and a few too many beers. At Timbuks there were 30 to 40 Omegas which I know wont happen again because of the venue size, but as AA says it was a brilliant laugh, most if not everyone got there car sorted, people made cakes and bacon butties through the day and everyone had a great laugh. The spirit of OOF :y
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But thats my point. The cambelt meets were done for free with everyone helping each other over a weekend then it was off for a meal and a few too many beers. At Timbuks there were 30 to 40 Omegas which I know wont happen again because of the venue size, but as AA says it was a brilliant laugh, most if not everyone got there car sorted, people made cakes and bacon butties through the day and everyone had a great laugh. The spirit of OOF :y
Clearly, not everyone was able to help with mechanical work, but everyone played a part - be it tea ladies (Maria and Miss Maria IIRC), BBQ, running out to get stuff, handing tools/parts to those under cars etc.
A fantastic day, and I've been told a fantastic evening :P
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sounds like Newent last year i remember it well our first meet yes we were meet virgins me wifey and doggy. The Dents kindly took us under thier wings and it was a cracking weekend
maybe we are all forgetting how to have fun and taking things to seriously.....this site was a nice reliefe for me shite day at work nice glass of something acoholic and enter the gen dis area for a good laugh and some good reading
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But thats my point. The cambelt meets were done for free with everyone helping each other over a weekend then it was off for a meal and a few too many beers. At Timbuks there were 30 to 40 Omegas which I know wont happen again because of the venue size, but as AA says it was a brilliant laugh, most if not everyone got there car sorted, people made cakes and bacon butties through the day and everyone had a great laugh. The spirit of OOF :y
Clearly, not everyone was able to help with mechanical work, but everyone played a part - be it tea ladies (Maria and Miss Maria IIRC), BBQ, running out to get stuff, handing tools/parts to those under cars etc.
A fantastic day, and I've been told a fantastic evening :P
I remember when a certain admin got locked in the porta-bog, via some gaffer tape ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Personally I think the forum has not been as much fun as it used to be well before the Daz/Ljay incident. I said to TB a while back that I think the helpful spirit of the forum changed when people like myself started charging for work to be done on Omegas which has all but put an end to cambelt parties. The cambelt parties were a great place for people to put names to faces which would then encourage more people to the Lakes and Newent, it also helps when your having a bit of banter on the forum because you know the person you are having the banter with so they are less likely to take offence.
I know I might be cutting my own throat here because since loosing my job the Omega money is my only income but its what I think has changed the forum :-\
So Its Petes fault
glads thats sorted..stone him then ban him and stone him some more.
personally i think the service Pete, james and Daz and others offer is one of the attractions of the forum Daz has saved me an absolute fortune and in honesty if it was not form him the cost of repairing my car would have been uneconmical
if you should choose to do it for free at meets and i know you do its your choice but imho the money you save members and what you do for it you should get a pat on the back and back side for Daz :y
But thats my point. The cambelt meets were done for free with everyone helping each other over a weekend then it was off for a meal and a few too many beers. At Timbuks there were 30 to 40 Omegas which I know wont happen again because of the venue size, but as AA says it was a brilliant laugh, most if not everyone got there car sorted, people made cakes and bacon butties through the day and everyone had a great laugh. The spirit of OOF :y
Agreed Pete that Timbuk's Cambelt Party was Brilliant :y
How many of those people who came for a Cambelt to be done have been seen again? Is that the spirit of OOF? Personally I find that taking the piss. Different if the person is really pleased then stays on the forum...
Look at the Tax Disc Holders, on that day I took them to try and sell a few, as most know they were only £3 each. Maybe its just me but I would have bought one even if I didn't want one. I had a few who said they were not interested, one of which was a guy who had his cambelt done for free and I have never seen or heard of him since.
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What is the difference between Clique and good friends? If you have made the effort to go to some of the meets you eventually make friends of people you wouldn't have otherwise met. Everyone has to be a newbie and may feel "out of the loop" when others(regulars) gather together and chat.
I feel the forum is suffering from the current climate of both weather and the current economy. Everyone is on a bit of a downer at the moment IMO.
The fact of people like Pete and Daz charging for doing work on cars should have nothing to do with the forum because that is how they make a living.
At a meet I have nothing but utmost respect for the work carried out by many members more knowledgeable than I and all FOC and for the sake of frienship! I have certainly seen members spending hours working on cars at the Lakes meet and Newent all for the sake of helping other members.
If you have a problem there is usually a reply to a question on any subject within an hour. Not many forums can say that!
With regard to the Lakes meet this year the reason I can't make it is purely financial and not because of the problems on the site. I will certainly do my best to be at Newent later in the year.
I agree with the earlier comments about the jokes in the General Listings, because they did act as a break between the heavier topics and I personally don't look at the Jokes sticky.
I hope that the forum doesn't change too much if at all because the plusses far outway the negatives!
I realise the Moderators are always targets simply because they have to raise their heavy hands occasionally but the work they do behind the scenes is largely unrecognised IMO.
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Sorry for not replying earlier, but just spent over 6 hours in A&E with Laura, who's health is pretty shit at the moment.
Little point in going over old ground, but as others have, I gave Daz a short ban for breaking the rule about abusing other members which I felt abused his moderator position, which he took offence over. If he had problems with her prior behavior, he had ample opportunity to do something about it. For the record, she never saw mod chat, she was obviously aware there was a discussion in it (she asked what I was typing, and I said replying to n, about xyz), but never saw it. That was a lie, and I do wonder how you came to that conclusion.
As for the meets, given she is banned, and received a lot of hostile comments on here, why would she want to attend a meet, which is a great shame as we as a family have attended every big meet since the start of OOF.
We used to sit on OOF together of an evening, and have a laugh, as she is no longer welcome, we dont, and consequently I don't do that on my own, we do other things instead.
I feel some infantile behavior in the name of humour has pissed off a lot of people to not posting, and also not posting for fear of the replies from some. A view I have found is shared by some members I have talked to privately.
Yes some of the 'spirit of oof' died when people started charging for work, but I also feel this was a necessary change due to both economic circumstances and to avoid piss taking.
This has had the knock on effect of not teaching 'newbies' as much as happened in days of old.
When I joined the forum, I couldn't even do an oil change, the forum, and some members in particular were really helpful in teaching me, so I can now do most tasks. This is very rarely seen now (webby being an exception) as the advice is always 'contact one of these to do it for you....'
That said, the advice is all still there in the forum of the excellent maintenance guides, for which I thank all the contributors.
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sorry to hear Laura is unwell wish her a speedy recovery
all the best Paul wifey and doggy
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I enjoy the forum, tend to look in daily and comment when a thread interests me either socially of mechanically. The help as been great but the site can appear to be one big clique of older members at times who respond to each other on a thread but seem to ignore everyone else, even repeating comments made by a member earlier who is not part of their group.
As for meets I don't do tents, caravans, under a bonnet or looking at other Omega's or indeed wish to spend my time doing so (SWMBO won't let me) ;D
The members I have met personally or communicated with have been excellent chaps, helpful in every way, advice, parts, carrying out work and make this forum a worthwhile place to participate in. :y :y :y
LOVE the moaning, even the liberals, for gods sake we're Brits ;D ;D
As you can see I said CAN APPEAR which can be off putting to new members. Simply a point of view of what may be wrong but if you read the whole post I am a FAN of OOF and enjoy participating :y
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sorry to hear Laura is unwell wish her a speedy recovery
all the best Paul wifey and doggy
Hope she soon gets back on her feet!! :y
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Sorry for not replying earlier, but just spent over 6 hours in A&E with Laura, who's health is pretty shit at the moment.
Little point in going over old ground, but as others have, I gave Daz a short ban for breaking the rule about abusing other members which I felt abused his moderator position, which he took offence over. If he had problems with her prior behavior, he had ample opportunity to do something about it. For the record, she never saw mod chat, she was obviously aware there was a discussion in it (she asked what I was typing, and I said replying to n, about xyz), but never saw it. That was a lie, and I do wonder how you came to that conclusion.
As for the meets, given she is banned, and received a lot of hostile comments on here, why would she want to attend a meet, which is a great shame as we as a family have attended every big meet since the start of OOF.
We used to sit on OOF together of an evening, and have a laugh, as she is no longer welcome, we dont, and consequently I don't do that on my own, we do other things instead.
I feel some infantile behavior in the name of humour has pissed off a lot of people to not posting, and also not posting for fear of the replies from some. A view I have found is shared by some members I have talked to privately.
Yes some of the 'spirit of oof' died when people started charging for work, but I also feel this was a necessary change due to both economic circumstances and to avoid piss taking.
This has had the knock on effect of not teaching 'newbies' as much as happened in days of old.
When I joined the forum, I couldn't even do an oil change, the forum, and some members in particular were really helpful in teaching me, so I can now do most tasks. This is very rarely seen now (webby being an exception) as the advice is always 'contact one of these to do it for you....'
That said, the advice is all still there in the forum of the excellent maintenance guides, for which I thank all the contributors.
Which was what exactly?
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Sorry for not replying earlier, but just spent over 6 hours in A&E with Laura, who's health is pretty shit at the moment.
Little point in going over old ground, but as others have, I gave Daz a short ban for breaking the rule about abusing other members which I felt abused his moderator position, which he took offence over. If he had problems with her prior behavior, he had ample opportunity to do something about it. For the record, she never saw mod chat, she was obviously aware there was a discussion in it (she asked what I was typing, and I said replying to n, about xyz), but never saw it. That was a lie, and I do wonder how you came to that conclusion.
As for the meets, given she is banned, and received a lot of hostile comments on here, why would she want to attend a meet, which is a great shame as we as a family have attended every big meet since the start of OOF.
We used to sit on OOF together of an evening, and have a laugh, as she is no longer welcome, we dont, and consequently I don't do that on my own, we do other things instead.
I feel some infantile behavior in the name of humour has pissed off a lot of people to not posting, and also not posting for fear of the replies from some. A view I have found is shared by some members I have talked to privately.
Yes some of the 'spirit of oof' died when people started charging for work, but I also feel this was a necessary change due to both economic circumstances and to avoid piss taking.
This has had the knock on effect of not teaching 'newbies' as much as happened in days of old.
When I joined the forum, I couldn't even do an oil change, the forum, and some members in particular were really helpful in teaching me, so I can now do most tasks. This is very rarely seen now (webby being an exception) as the advice is always 'contact one of these to do it for you....'
That said, the advice is all still there in the forum of the excellent maintenance guides, for which I thank all the contributors.
Which was what exactly?
Does this really have to be brought up again. If it does wouldn't PM, email or a phone call be better :(
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Sorry for not replying earlier, but just spent over 6 hours in A&E with Laura, who's health is pretty shit at the moment.
Little point in going over old ground, but as others have, I gave Daz a short ban for breaking the rule about abusing other members which I felt abused his moderator position, which he took offence over. If he had problems with her prior behavior, he had ample opportunity to do something about it. For the record, she never saw mod chat, she was obviously aware there was a discussion in it (she asked what I was typing, and I said replying to n, about xyz), but never saw it. That was a lie, and I do wonder how you came to that conclusion.
As for the meets, given she is banned, and received a lot of hostile comments on here, why would she want to attend a meet, which is a great shame as we as a family have attended every big meet since the start of OOF.
We used to sit on OOF together of an evening, and have a laugh, as she is no longer welcome, we dont, and consequently I don't do that on my own, we do other things instead.
I feel some infantile behavior in the name of humour has pissed off a lot of people to not posting, and also not posting for fear of the replies from some. A view I have found is shared by some members I have talked to privately.
Yes some of the 'spirit of oof' died when people started charging for work, but I also feel this was a necessary change due to both economic circumstances and to avoid piss taking.
This has had the knock on effect of not teaching 'newbies' as much as happened in days of old.
When I joined the forum, I couldn't even do an oil change, the forum, and some members in particular were really helpful in teaching me, so I can now do most tasks. This is very rarely seen now (webby being an exception) as the advice is always 'contact one of these to do it for you....'
That said, the advice is all still there in the forum of the excellent maintenance guides, for which I thank all the contributors.
Which was what exactly?
Being deliberately provocative to invoke a response...as you have stated yourself on previous occasions...but I will not be drawn into this again now.
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JB, heart of the matter;
Nobody understands what caused LK to be banned. Afaict. :-\
Edit to add, appologies. Speedy recovery to Laura, and hope its not serious.
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Sorry for not replying earlier, but just spent over 6 hours in A&E with Laura, who's health is pretty shit at the moment.
Little point in going over old ground, but as others have, I gave Daz a short ban for breaking the rule about abusing other members which I felt abused his moderator position, which he took offence over. If he had problems with her prior behavior, he had ample opportunity to do something about it. For the record, she never saw mod chat, she was obviously aware there was a discussion in it (she asked what I was typing, and I said replying to n, about xyz), but never saw it. That was a lie, and I do wonder how you came to that conclusion.
As for the meets, given she is banned, and received a lot of hostile comments on here, why would she want to attend a meet, which is a great shame as we as a family have attended every big meet since the start of OOF.
We used to sit on OOF together of an evening, and have a laugh, as she is no longer welcome, we dont, and consequently I don't do that on my own, we do other things instead.
I feel some infantile behavior in the name of humour has pissed off a lot of people to not posting, and also not posting for fear of the replies from some. A view I have found is shared by some members I have talked to privately.
Yes some of the 'spirit of oof' died when people started charging for work, but I also feel this was a necessary change due to both economic circumstances and to avoid piss taking.
This has had the knock on effect of not teaching 'newbies' as much as happened in days of old.
When I joined the forum, I couldn't even do an oil change, the forum, and some members in particular were really helpful in teaching me, so I can now do most tasks. This is very rarely seen now (webby being an exception) as the advice is always 'contact one of these to do it for you....'
That said, the advice is all still there in the forum of the excellent maintenance guides, for which I thank all the contributors.
Which was what exactly?
Being deliberately provocative to invoke a response...as you have stated yourself on previous occasions...but I will not be drawn into this again now.
Ok, so can you explain what the difference is then of say me typing "Boring" and "Y awn" and Laura?
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Well now that Nickbat has totally humiliated me I'm off, toys out of the pram, spitting the dummy and hitting the delete button!! :'(
But before I do......
I think the thing about cliques forming is that it is bound to happen when members meet face to face and start to socialise outside of OOF and strike up genuine friendships in the real world. There's nothing wrong with that.... I've never met anyone from OOF so you're all just names to me! ::) but you can still form impressions about people.... Nickbat should get out more for example!! ;D
The thing is about friendships is that they can be as easily broken as built in the first place and if they can't be fixed, then it's time to move on and get on with life.... ???
I said yesterday that I find the 'Woe is me' type thread tedious and I tend not to read them, but what I have noticed is that there is a wave of compassion in response from other members, most of which are unknown outside of OOF and I hope that the OPs in these threads get comfort from this!! :) I think this shows the quality of the membership here as I've never noticed any idiotic or nasty comments on this type of thread, which I believe is common on other forums/chatrooms/social networking sites!! :-\
In conclusion, Nickbat is right and he wouldn't be the first to call me insensitive, although that charge usually comes from the opposite sex and is often accompanied by the adjective describing a person with no father... ::) :-[ I'd also like to apologise to Nickbat for not eating his goat.... What a waste of a young life!!! :'( :'( :'(
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This is like a rather WI meeting, only more feminine.
Things change, people change, relationships change.
So, like an old couple who have been together too long, we either put up with each other or get a divorce.
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This is like a rather WI meeting, only more feminine.
Things change, people change, relationships change.
So, like an old couple who have been together too long, we either put up with each other or get a divorce.
or put some spice into it like sex toys ,dressing up, fresh cream , custard
opps wrong site :o
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This is like a rather WI meeting, only more feminine.
Things change, people change, relationships change.
So, like an old couple who have been together too long, we either put up with each other or get a divorce.
or put some spice into it like sex toys ,dressing up, fresh cream , custard
opps wrong site :o
Not necessarily... ;D
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This is like a rather WI meeting, only more feminine.
Things change, people change, relationships change.
So, like an old couple who have been together too long, we either put up with each other or get a divorce.
or put some spice into it like sex toys ,dressing up, fresh cream , custard
opps wrong site :o
Not necessarily... ;D
Yep, you need the correct clique ... ;D
:'(
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This is like a rather WI meeting, only more feminine.
Things change, people change, relationships change.
So, like an old couple who have been together too long, we either put up with each other or get a divorce.
Aah, the enduring clarity of the practical mind. :-* :-* :-* 8)
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This is like a rather WI meeting, only more feminine.
Things change, people change, relationships change.
So, like an old couple who have been together too long, we either put up with each other or get a divorce.
or put some spice into it like sex toys ,dressing up, fresh cream , custard
opps wrong site :o
Not necessarily... ;D
Yep, you need the correct clique ... ;D
:'(
You've been asked to join in loads of times but you think you're too good for us. Be nice to me and I may let you play... :-*
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I have been bored with this site for a while now it is the same issues over and over again.
How long does the admin team expect this site to last
These cars are being scrapped every day
I think the site needs some improvement to keep members interest
omega is still a good car but now getting old not worth spending a lot of money on
some answers please
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Sorry for not replying earlier, but just spent over 6 hours in A&E with Laura, who's health is pretty shit at the moment.
Little point in going over old ground, but as others have, I gave Daz a short ban for breaking the rule about abusing other members which I felt abused his moderator position, which he took offence over. If he had problems with her prior behavior, he had ample opportunity to do something about it. For the record, she never saw mod chat, she was obviously aware there was a discussion in it (she asked what I was typing, and I said replying to n, about xyz), but never saw it. That was a lie, and I do wonder how you came to that conclusion.
As for the meets, given she is banned, and received a lot of hostile comments on here, why would she want to attend a meet, which is a great shame as we as a family have attended every big meet since the start of OOF.
We used to sit on OOF together of an evening, and have a laugh, as she is no longer welcome, we dont, and consequently I don't do that on my own, we do other things instead.
I feel some infantile behavior in the name of humour has pissed off a lot of people to not posting, and also not posting for fear of the replies from some. A view I have found is shared by some members I have talked to privately.
Yes some of the 'spirit of oof' died when people started charging for work, but I also feel this was a necessary change due to both economic circumstances and to avoid piss taking.
This has had the knock on effect of not teaching 'newbies' as much as happened in days of old.
When I joined the forum, I couldn't even do an oil change, the forum, and some members in particular were really helpful in teaching me, so I can now do most tasks. This is very rarely seen now (webby being an exception) as the advice is always 'contact one of these to do it for you....'
That said, the advice is all still there in the forum of the excellent maintenance guides, for which I thank all the contributors.
Which was what exactly?
Does this really have to be brought up again. If it does wouldn't PM, email or a phone call be better :(
I agree,this has no place here,down to the individuals involved to sort out it out privately.I'm just sad that there is obviously still bad feelings present :'(
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I have been bored with this site for a while now it is the same issues over and over again.
How long does the admin team expect this site to last
These cars are being scrapped every day
I think the site needs some improvement to keep members interest
omega is still a good car but now getting old not worth spending a lot of money on
some answers please
you could always ask for your membership fee back :)
dont think boring is a fair assesment its just lacking the banter we used to have......people seem to take offence to easily, even i have been guilty of that hard to belive i know
if you want to know anything about omegas it not lacking information
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I have been bored with this site for a while now it is the same issues over and over again.
How long does the admin team expect this site to last
These cars are being scrapped every day
I think the site needs some improvement to keep members interest
omega is still a good car but now getting old not worth spending a lot of money on
some answers please
you could always ask for your membership fee back :)
dont think boring is a fair assesment its just lacking the banter we used to have......people seem to take offence to easily, even i have been guilty of that hard to belive i know
if you want to know anything about omegas it not lacking information
give it a rest you fat tinker ;D
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I have been bored with this site for a while now it is the same issues over and over again.
How long does the admin team expect this site to last
These cars are being scrapped every day
I think the site needs some improvement to keep members interest
omega is still a good car but now getting old not worth spending a lot of money on
some answers please
you could always ask for your membership fee back :)
dont think boring is a fair assesment its just lacking the banter we used to have......people seem to take offence to easily, even i have been guilty of that hard to belive i know
if you want to know anything about omegas it not lacking information
give it a rest you fat tinker ;D
i hoped thought you had gone you big ugly person..one does not have to lower ones self down to your level does one
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Boring.
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terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired
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terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired
I didn't write this. I wrote "terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired". Wierd.
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terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired
I didn't write this. I wrote "terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired". Wierd.
Even more wierd. I said "terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired". Or maybe the admin have programmed "terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired" to read "terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired".
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terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired
I didn't write this. I wrote "terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired". Wierd.
Even more wierd. I said "terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired". Or maybe the admin have programmed "terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired" to read "terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired".
Exactly that. Typed the word that starts with Y and ends in N and has a A and a W in between. Nice touch admin. :y
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Ah, humour. Nobody on OOF is allowed to open their mouth and stretch their face in an expression of tiredness. :y That's cool. I like that.
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welcome back ;D ;D ;D
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terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired.
Just had to try it!
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I have been bored with this site for a while now it is the same issues over and over again.
How long does the admin team expect this site to last
These cars are being scrapped every day
I think the site needs some improvement to keep members interest
omega is still a good car but now getting old not worth spending a lot of money on
some answers please
How would you like to be entertained to alleviate the boredom 2.6, and what are your suggestions to help improve the members’ interest?
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Y......................................................a...................................w.................................n
:D :D
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I think you can leave that decision to the site owners Mr Den
Given time everything becomes old hat
Great for getting to no your omega Mr Lovejoy I did not have a issue with that,
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I think you can leave that decision to the site owners Mr Den
Given time everything becomes old hat
Great for getting to no your omega Mr Lovejoy I did not have a issue with that,
I think you can leave that decision to the site owners Mr Den
Will do 2.6. :y
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I have been bored with this site for a while now it is the same issues over and over again.
How long does the admin team expect this site to last
These cars are being scrapped every day
I think the site needs some improvement to keep members interest
omega is still a good car but now getting old not worth spending a lot of money on
some answers please
Two things here,
1st this site is not all about cars, they may be the center of discussion but this site has introduced a lot of people to each other who would otherwise never had met :y
2nd the whole idea is for people to air their ideas to alter/improve the site, so what are your suggestions Paul?
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I think you can leave that decision to the site owners Mr Den
Given time everything becomes old hat
Great for getting to no your omega Mr Lovejoy I did not have a issue with that,
:y call me Paul unless in company then my names Randy Mandy :D
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I have been bored with this site for a while now it is the same issues over and over again.
How long does the admin team expect this site to last
These cars are being scrapped every day
I think the site needs some improvement to keep members interest
omega is still a good car but now getting old not worth spending a lot of money on
some answers please
Two things here,
1st this site is not all about cars, they may be the center of discussion but this site has introduced a lot of people to each other who would otherwise never had met :y
2nd the whole idea is for people to air their ideas to alter/improve the site, so what are your suggestions Paul?
whos Paul is that Michael 2.6 ....both my names Paul Michael..... spooky :o
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What I find strange in this thread is the reference to Omega's being 'old and not worth spending money on'. :(
Why bother to own one if that is the attitude. I thought we were Omega Owners (in the majority) and our goal was to ensure the continuation of these gorgeous cars into Classic status. My Omega may be 12 years old, but its in pretty good nick, and with this forum and the fantastic help I get from other members, whether 'top dogs' or 'newbies, I intend to make it stay that way. :y Any make of car can rust away into oblivion and our aim must be to preserve the Omega from this.
If there is not enthusiasm for the car, no wonder there is a style of depression on the forum :(
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reminds me of the old cb in the 80`s great for a few years then fades away :'( :'( :'(
re the arguments lets face it every on is entitled to there own oppinion its a FREE country so im led to belive, too much pc in the world at the min imo,
if you cant take a it dont give it is what my dad taught me when i was a kid ................and yes it still works in this day and age
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line drawn lets all start afresh and b***s to any one who dont like it lol
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:y :y :y hey this topic has woke a lot of people up hasent it great discusion though
great read keep it up :y :y :y
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:y :y :y hey this topic has woke a lot of people up hasent it great discusion though
great read keep it up :y :y :y
Just TB's master plan ;D ;D :y :y
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What I find strange in this thread is the reference to Omega's being 'old and not worth spending money on'. :(
Why bother to own one if that is the attitude.....
Indeed. Sell it and buy a FWD eurobox.
Nothing newer is drivable, IMHO, so mine will continue to have whatever it needs spent on it. :y
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What I find strange in this thread is the reference to Omega's being 'old and not worth spending money on'. :(
Why bother to own one if that is the attitude.....
Indeed. Sell it and buy a FWD eurobox.
Nothing newer is drivable, IMHO, so mine will continue to have whatever it needs spent on it. :y
As I've mentioned before, you see all these new car "deals" only £299 a month.
300 quid is an expensive month in Omega ownership, £180 was expensive today because of rear shocks, but thats should see it good for another 100k easy.
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I've been on here for under a year,its a great forum,loads of great advice,guides and from what I've seen a few members go out of there way to help others,just as a forum like this to be,yes there is going to be heated debates ,cam gaskets for 1 lol ,but so long as every1 helps and advises this amazing forum should keep going for a long time yet,admin staff do a great job keeping it going,and I look forward to being a member on here for a few more years yet!
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What I find strange in this thread is the reference to Omega's being 'old and not worth spending money on'. :(
Why bother to own one if that is the attitude.....
Indeed. Sell it and buy a FWD eurobox.
Nothing newer is drivable, IMHO, so mine will continue to have whatever it needs spent on it. :y
Always. We hear it so many times on here, the car isn't worth that much, or the repair is more than the car is worth... Ok, so that's true. But what else to do? Buy a more expensive car? A newer car? A more "economical" car. Replace newer like for like, rwd, big, comfy, toys, your looking at a whole bunch more cash. Go smaller your looking at crap performance, crap comfort fwd shite AND a whole bunch more cash. Cars cost money, end of.
Omegas cost very little money, for what they are. Yes there are repairs to be done. But you'll keep a very good car for not much cash at all. Used cars are massively cheap in the uk don't forget. That does not mean they are worth little.
And good man Martin. :y
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I've been on here for under a year,its a great forum,loads of great advice,guides and from what I've seen a few members go out of there way to help others,just as a forum like this to be,yes there is going to be heated debates ,cam gaskets for 1 lol ,but so long as every1 helps and advises this amazing forum should keep going for a long time yet,admin staff do a great job keeping it going,and I look forward to being a member on here for a few more years yet!
:y :y hear! hear!! well said :y :y
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300 quid is an expensive month in Omega ownership, £180 was expensive today because of rear shocks, but thats should see it good for another 100k easy.
Agreed - mine is costing me this month for the tax, £30 for a starter a fortnight back (plus £20 in the swear tin!) - but it's no more than other cars I've owned. Fuel consumption aside.
I've been here for nearly five years (apart from a brief hiatus where I had neither a Mig nor the money to have one, but would have been tempted) - I love the spirit, that there's always someone you can ask for advice - or for those members less experienced with the spanners, there's always someone willing to do the job at mates rates.
The maintenance guides have saved me hundreds over the years, which reminds me, I must write up my latest one.
As for the community side of it, sadly my working 13 out of 14 means I can't get to many meetups - and up here there's only a handful of nearby members, but the random chewing of the fat on the social forums is much more accessible than most forums. And there's no bloody text speak...
>starts writing up guide before the Bombardier takes effect<
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Always. We hear it so many times on here, the car isn't worth that much, or the repair is more than the car is worth...
Indeed.. Anything that's going to get you to work in the mornings with a reasonable success rate will need money spending on it. Value of the car is irrelevant. It's just that you'd be a mug to pay extra in lease fees, loan interest or depreciation to drive an inferior but newer car, IMHO.
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quite right ozzycat this is the most i have said on here for months :y
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quite right ozzycat this is the most i have said on here for months :y
and that is the essence, I think, of TB's question .... please don't take the next few comments the wrong way .... but IMHO this is possibly the heart of the matter
WHY are you (and others like you) not posting anymore?? .. you obviously visit/read the forum or you would not have seen this thread.
The vociferous minority/regulars .... me included .. keep on banging out the same claptrap, but WHAT has stopped folks like you, Daz, etc etc etc from posting as much as you used to.
There has to be a reason , it may NOT be fixable, but then again it might be. If you just got bored .. why ?? if something upset you .. why ??
Unless these matters are aired, and discussed, all the "it ain't broke don't fix it" comments mean zilch .. given how many folks HAVE stopped posting .. there must be something going wrong .... ??
Now I may be way off the mark, but I feel that what TB was after is answers to those questions, if I am wrong .. so be it .. won't be the first time or the last .. :)
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quite right ozzycat this is the most i have said on here for months :y
and that is the essence, I think, of TB's question .... please don't take the next few comments the wrong way .... but IMHO this is possibly the heart of the matter
WHY are you (and others like you) not posting anymore?? .. you obviously visit/read the forum or you would not have seen this thread.
The vociferous minority/regulars .... me included .. keep on banging out the same claptrap, but WHAT has stopped folks like you, Daz, etc etc etc from posting as much as you used to.
There has to be a reason , it may NOT be fixable, but then again it might be. If you just got bored .. why ?? if something upset you .. why ??
Unless these matters are aired, and discussed, all the "it ain't broke don't fix it" comments mean zilch .. given how many folks HAVE stopped posting .. there must be something going wrong .... ??
Now I may be way off the mark, but I feel that what TB was after is answers to those questions, if I am wrong .. so be it .. won't be the first time or the last .. :)
No you aren't wrong Nige, its exactly why he started this thread :y
Whatever the reasons maybe this was the thread to air them. No deleting of posts or banning someone for saying " the wrong thing" as long as no racist blah blah comments else they will be removed.
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have put some answers in previous posts on this subject but the main reason for me is the banter bit like someone said it was like being in the pub with your mates alot of the time now to me it seems quite serious and people are not reacting the same plus the millwalls guffers daz etc arnt on as much love them or some hate them they get the discussions going even stmo when hes on a roll it can be a bit over the top but he gets the banter going even i have been guilty of over reacting to something that before i would have laughed off
maybe its time of year the financial situation I certainley dont think the forum is broken or boring it does what it says on the tin...i could always find a post that would have tears rolling down may face laughing out loud before.
Now they are few and far between
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STMO is my hero, I wish there were more on here who understood his sense of humour :-\
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hes grown on me jonny ;D ;D and agree with what you say :y
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quite right ozzycat this is the most i have said on here for months :y
and that is the essence, I think, of TB's question .... please don't take the next few comments the wrong way .... but IMHO this is possibly the heart of the matter
WHY are you (and others like you) not posting anymore?? .. you obviously visit/read the forum or you would not have seen this thread.
The vociferous minority/regulars .... me included .. keep on banging out the same claptrap, but WHAT has stopped folks like you, Daz, etc etc etc from posting as much as you used to.
There has to be a reason , it may NOT be fixable, but then again it might be. If you just got bored .. why ?? if something upset you .. why ??
Unless these matters are aired, and discussed, all the "it ain't broke don't fix it" comments mean zilch .. given how many folks HAVE stopped posting .. there must be something going wrong .... ??
Now I may be way off the mark, but I feel that what TB was after is answers to those questions, if I am wrong .. so be it .. won't be the first time or the last .. :)
No you aren't wrong Nige, its exactly why he started this thread :y
Whatever the reasons maybe this was the thread to air them. No deleting of posts or banning someone for saying " the wrong thing" as long as no racist blah blah comments else they will be removed.
OK then..... :D :D Magic Tree, Magic Tree, Magic Tree, and Air Freshener, Air Freshener, Air Freshener...... ;D ;D ;D
LD dared me................ :D :D :D
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;D ;D ;D ;D go on wamps how much did LD pay and can i ave a cut :D :D :D :D [i still want to know what perfume he used]
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STMO is my hero, I wish there were more on here who understood his sense of humour :-\
i agree,steve is one of the characters that can push the barrier and if its thrown back at him he is quick with a reply...usually hilarious :y
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OK then..... :D :D Magic Tree, Magic Tree, Magic Tree, and Air Freshener, Air Freshener, Air Freshener...... ;D ;D ;D
LD dared me................ :D :D :D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It's been 11 pages of interesting reading;
Personally, I do think the changing ownership make up does have an impact. I don't think it's the 'have v have not' in monetary terms. It's more the disposable nature of the Omega which has become prevelant. That's not to say breaking of them has caused this, quite the contrary I think. There are thousands of the bloody things out there, if 50 are broken each year it will make little difference. But, if you have a £500 Omega, you may not bother with a £200 cambelt or leaking cam covers. If the car expires, buy another one.
This current economic climate affects us all, but I strongly think there is no us and them on here. Whether you scrimp and scrape to find £20 to fuel the Omega, or have it as your spare back up just incase car, I feel everyone gets on perfectly.
I currently have some rather expensive vehicles, Range Rover's, Bentley's etc...and many people from the forum say, oh excellent, you're doing well, well done, and they enjoy those vehcles for what they are, not what they're worth.
I don't post much here, I still have an Omega, in fact two of them...although they haven't gone anywhere for over a month. The one thing I do object to, is some views of people on here express. But, as we should always be allowed to, we must speak what we feel and be allowed to express ourselves.
It's the closet racism I have noticed creeping in a little more, in some cases it makes me cringe.
Without meaning to sound too stupid, I think my age does count in my favour, my friends and I seem to be more accepting of black, white, pink, asian, sikh, jedi warriors etc whereas some on here don't seem to be.
This forum is a haven for middle aged men, and if you don't like that - there's not much you can do about it.
Family's, I believe probably would not run an Omega anymore, or not in the same numbers as to a few years ago, there are 9 or 10 others members I know of, of similiar age to me and perhaps another 50 from my age to early forties who post.
The rest are middle aged men, who are entrenched in their views.
This is life, I have no objection to this, I don't have to come onto the forum, nor would I suddenly want a 'we must accept all and sundry' as to some extent, prejudices whether right or wrong do make that person who they are.
I feel, knowing more about each other is the way forward though.
I enjoy so much attending meets, recently the Wycombe meet organised by Terbert...it's good to catch up with old faces and meet those new one's.
I had mentioned it before, but I think an OOF mascot who travels around and spends a day with a few members who then shares and explores online.
For example, we have car dealers, HGV drivers, estate agents, IT guru's, sales managers, teachers, seeking work, self employed, police officers on here.
It'd be nice to explore more of this, then we could see why someone reacts to something and understand them more.
I'll get my finger out, and create an OOF mascot, who spends the day with me, ripping people off helping me sell quality used vehicles ;D
There are things I see and do you'd be suprised at, and when it passes on to the next person we can learn about their interests, job and view points on things and be equally suprised and intrigued.
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ive noticed this discussion has been between the higher ranked oof members
yes some lower but mainly them in the no
you are bored cos you have exchanged all the knowledge you have amoung yourselfs.and feel there is no more to give
YOU ARE WRONG
its you lot that stopping us putting our omega on the bay :y
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ive noticed this discussion has been between the higher ranked oof members
yes some lower but mainly them in the no
you are bored cos you have exchanged all the knowledge you have amoung yourselfs.and feel there is no more to give
YOU ARE WRONG
its you lot that stopping us putting our omega on the bay :y
Glad you are finding the help and support on the forum that you need to keep your car sweet....... :y :y
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got more to add on this subject
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got more to add on this subject
Go for it, all opinions welcome.... :y
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there needs to be a HANDS ON SECTION for newbies..
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there needs to be a HANDS ON SECTION for newbies..
Think it`s called "General Omega Help" ::)
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there needs to be a HANDS ON SECTION for newbies..
Think it`s called "Omega General Help" ::)
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no its not rob
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there needs to be a HANDS ON SECTION for newbies..
Think it`s called "General Omega Help" ::)
:D ;D
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no its not rob
Oh yes it is ;D ;D
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no its not rob
What, not helpful?............. :o :o On Omega's there is no other place with so much information, on any other subject, someone is likely to know or assist in some way...........this is OOF..... :y :y :y
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there needs to be a HANDS ON SECTION for newbies..
What do you mean big?
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you lot and your freakin panto modes ::);)
there have been a few different ''sections'' that have been suggested.
not sure what a ''hands on'' section would look like. maybe you can tell us tiger ;)
i think the forum is perfect personally. compared to some other very unhelpful forums... pug 307 owners springs to mind >:( ::)
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Hows about a "bloody hands off that`s mine" section :D :D ;D
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Hows about a "bloody hands off that`s mine" section :D :D ;D
i personally think i'm that awesome i should have my own section! :P :P :P :P 8) 8) 8) 8) ;D ;D ;D
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Hows about a "bloody hands off that`s mine" section :D :D ;D
i personally think i'm that awesome i should have my own section! :P :P :P :P 8) 8) 8) 8) ;D ;D ;D
Question Corner ;D
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Hows about a "bloody hands off that`s mine" section :D :D ;D
i personally think i'm that awesome i should have my own section! :P :P :P :P 8) 8) 8) 8) ;D ;D ;D
Lord Help Us ;D
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there needs to be a HANDS ON SECTION for newbies..
What do you mean big?
you are a no everything on this forum..you are a long termer and well respected..i am a sort of newbie. i took to the car cos i loved the way it looked..we are the same as in we like omega.............
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Hahaha ;)
I was thinking more along the lines of the latest gadgets.....
''What a tool!'' ;D :D
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Hows about a "bloody hands off that`s mine" section :D :D ;D
i personally think i'm that awesome i should have my own section! :P :P :P :P 8) 8) 8) 8) ;D ;D ;D
Lord Help Us ;D
:D :D :D :D :D
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there needs to be a HANDS ON SECTION for newbies..
What do you mean big?
you are a no everything on this forum..you are a long termer and well respected..i am a sort of newbie. i took to the car cos i loved the way it looked..we are the same as in we like omega.............
I am not quite sure what you are getting at, we were all newbies at one time or another............if you have a question just ask? and in almost every case you will get an answer........ :y :y
On the positive side you are posting, it took me ages before I dared make my first post, every one seemed to know everyone..............well there is some truth in that, but it does not take long to build up relationships, there are all sorts on here ::) ::) :-X try and get to a meet if you can and enjoy a few beers and Bobs or is it Gregg's now? BBQ
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there needs to be a HANDS ON SECTION for newbies..
What do you mean big?
you are a no everything on this forum..you are a long termer and well respected..i am a sort of newbie. i took to the car cos i loved the way it looked..we are the same as in we like omega.............
I am not quite sure what you are getting at, we were all newbies at one time or another............if you have a question just ask? and in almost every case you will get an answer........ :y :y
On the positive side you are posting, it took me ages before I dared make my first post, every one seemed to know everyone..............well there is some truth in that, but it does not take long to build up relationships, there are all sorts on here ::) ::) :-X try and get to a meet if you can and enjoy a few beers and Bobs or is it Gregg's now? BBQ
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there needs to be a HANDS ON SECTION for newbies..
What do you mean big?
you are a no everything on this forum..you are a long termer and well respected..i am a sort of newbie. i took to the car cos i loved the way it looked..we are the same as in we like omega.............
I am not quite sure what you are getting at, we were all newbies at one time or another............if you have a question just ask? and in almost every case you will get an answer........ :y :y
On the positive side you are posting, it took me ages before I dared make my first post, every one seemed to know everyone..............well there is some truth in that, but it does not take long to build up relationships, there are all sorts on here ::) ::) :-X try and get to a meet if you can and enjoy a few beers and Bobs or is it Gregg's now? BBQ
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"WHY are you (and others like you) not posting anymore?? .. you obviously visit/read the forum or you would not have seen this thread.
The vociferous minority/regulars .... me included .. keep on banging out the same claptrap, but WHAT has stopped folks like you, Daz, etc etc etc from posting as much as you used to."
From my point of view, and to use an old term, flaming. If you care to read a few of my posts, you will see I now sign off with something like "this is of course just my useless opinion" Why do I have to add things like that ? Because there is a rather small element on here that can't work that out for themselves.
There have been a few discussions on rascism and child abuse etc. Rightly or wrongly these things exist, but some people don't want it even discussed, Why. I know it has nothing to do with Omega's but it is the general discussion area.
Then there is the one's who say "this subject is boring and I have no interest in it", then why did you post on it and bring it back to the top of the page ? Surely if you really have no interest in the subject then don't read it, simple.
As a large group we will never all get on. But I tend to use the block function so I can't see what certain people are saying, this works great for me, perhaps others could use this. The only down side to it is the one person on here who really annoys me I have not blocked his posts. Mainly so I can read his drivel, and have a laugh to my self. I say laugh, do I mean laugh or whatever, or something else. I do find my self delibratly replying to some of his posts in slightly sarcastic ways.
The old saying if it aint broke etc. comes to mind, I don't think it is broken, just possibly needs a few tweeks, and a little bit of reigning in of a few people who exert a little bit two much influence on the site.
A level playing field will help all.
(sarc) This is of course just my useless opinion.
Definatly keep the no text speak rule. When someone uses capitals, polite replies would be better. When a new person makes a mistake, polite replies would be better. We are all human (mostly) and can make mistakes.
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there needs to be a HANDS ON SECTION for newbies..
What do you mean big?
You never miss a trick, you slut.
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there needs to be a HANDS ON SECTION for newbies..
What do you mean big?
as it says (hands on) a section with well known members who are known by many to be competent to carry out certain tasks on migs
these people are not free.nothing is free..ie;mobile mechanic.(or go to them).hence...hands on..i would never take my car to a garage there is no point they just dont get omegas....but on here is different...you no what i mean..they are on here but do not have a section..
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We have that already, its called General Help? ???
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We have that already, its called General Help? ???
no its not .thats where we talk about our probs and answer to probs
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We have that already, its called General Help? ???
no its not .thats where we talk about our probs and answer to probs
I understand what your talking about mate. I think the answer to that is all businesses advertised on the forum have to be VAT registered. Something to do with OOF being a freeclub and not a paid one comes to mind but I can't remember all the inns & outs.
Also it has being said that by people on the forum repairing cars for money, it takes away from the spirit of OOF. I see what they mean but, when the people on here charge far less than incompetent garages to do a far better job I class that as being fair & helpful.
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We have that already, its called General Help? ???
no its not .thats where we talk about our probs and answer to probs
What do you think about the Maintenence Guides board then Cube?
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We have that already, its called General Help? ???
no its not .thats where we talk about our probs and answer to probs
What do you think about the Maintenence Guides board then Cube?
i think it brill and ive used it loads..done cam gasket..breather clean.cam sensor change..plugs..its great but some tasks are out of some members reach and therefore are quite willing to pay for the job to be done correctly
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We have that already, its called General Help? ???
no its not .thats where we talk about our probs and answer to probs
What do you think about the Maintenence Guides board then Cube?
i think it brill and ive used it loads..done cam gasket..breather clean.cam sensor change..plugs..its great but some tasks are out of some members reach and therefore are quite willing to pay for the job to be done correctly (hands on section)
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A mechanics section you mean?
A specific section for arranging work. Servicing, cam belts suspension work, etc..?
Brings up the topic of charging, and how much. Personally I don't charge for work as such, but I do ask for a contribution to the tool fund. Tools wear out, brake, etc. so while I am happy to help members where I can, I do think physical costs to me should be covered.
Thing is with every person I've had ask for work to be done, without fail they want to pay. They want to know how much is fair to pay. Truth is I'm not sure meself tbh. A garage would be £50 an hour most likely. Dealers anything from £70 up. Madness.
So I usually say, if the work has a good outcome, how much are you happy to pay? And that fine. In fact one guy was so keen to make sure it was fair he dropped a bit extra round later on.
The spirit of oof...well ideally we all have specialitys and areas we have had issues with on omegas. For instance Vxl V6 needed donut bushes on both his cars. I needed a loom for telematics. We helped each other out. Fair trade job for job so to speak.
Trouble is. Not all members are mechanically minded or confident and want to show appreciation. What else to do..?
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Is a list of professional folk on here with their location showing what jobs/services they offer what you mean?
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We have that already, its called General Help? ???
no its not .thats where we talk about our probs and answer to probs
What do you think about the Maintenence Guides board then Cube?
i think it brill and ive used it loads..done cam gasket..breather clean.cam sensor change..plugs..its great but some tasks are out of some members reach and therefore are quite willing to pay for the job to be done correctly
Aah right, I'm getting you now - that may well cause problems for the site administrators and for those who choose to advertise their services on it; contract law?, duty of care, health and safety, public liability, tax liability and so on.
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To answer TB's original post - from my point of view all the sledging that went on was rather pathetic and I just tried to ignore it but when it appears as the most recent item I tended to look at what was going on now and then. Because this matter was soaking up the time and energy of those that have done the most to make the forum a success and focusing the attention of others away from the main objectives of the forum then it became inevitable that some of us would lose interest as the content was diluted.
But that is part and not all of the problem. I think the cars are now at a stage where repairs are just not cost effective versus the value of the car - and despite the logic that some have advanced that you just need to look at how much it would cost to change. There will always be Omega diehards - I thought I was one but not being able to source an irmscher exhaust back box and other issues means that the car is not going to be the original full functioning unit it was. Hence I have lost interest in it as well.
Finally I have had so many issues with parents too numerous to list, battles with NHS, Social Services and general incompetence thereof that this has been another contributory factor.
I like others miss the banter of old from the STMO, Opti, Millwall brigade - all seems very tame now.
I do have a quick look most days but do not log in.
A solution could be found to advertise services of mechanics etc but with ground rules as to the qualifying criteria - eg 6 members prepared to endorse - even have a vote to approve their inclusion in a list of Omega specialists or something. As said it is better for members to have access to competent people who do not charge the earth.
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If we're not careful the taxman will be taking an interest here.
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If we're not careful the taxman will be taking an interest here.
Exactly ;)
ssssssssssssssssssh
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Hows about a "bloody hands off that`s mine" section :D :D ;D
i personally think i'm that awesome i should have my own section! :P :P :P :P 8) 8) 8) 8) ;D ;D ;D
Webbys car corner :-\ ;D :y
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What a exellent topic this has been the best i have seen on oof
and all starterd by TB
It just goes to prove that everybody has a different opinion on this matter
keep up the good work lads.
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I think that there should be a 'Handbags Section' where members can go to have a pop at each other, generally fall out and act like kids!! ::) That should give the rest of us plenty of room to dicuss politics/bollix, gardening and the merits of poly bushes! ;)
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I think that there should be a 'Handbags Section' where members can go to have a pop at each other, generally fall out and act like kids!! ::) That should give the rest of us plenty of room to dicuss politics/bollix, gardening and the merits of poly bushes! ;)
Pml ;D ;D ;D
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hes grown on me jonny ;D ;D
Paul.Lovecock strikes again, what a slapper!
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hes grown on me jonny ;D ;D
Paul.Lovecock strikes again, what a slapper!
you see theres always one.this is exactly the sort of behaviour thats...............been missing ;D ;D ;D :y
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Personaly this day and age you get nothing for free and would not expect to. Saying that i would prefer to pay somebody who knows what there are doing Even when money is in short surply. For example my old mechanic moved house and needed it painted so i painted his house and he serviced my car and fixed my wifes car. All happy no money exchanged hands.
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Personaly this day and age you get nothing for free and would not expect to. Saying that i would prefer to pay somebody who knows what there are doing Even when money is in short surply. For example my old mechanic moved house and needed it painted so i painted his house and he serviced my wife and fixed my car. All happy no money exchanged hands.
Fixed that for you mate :D :-*
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Personaly this day and age you get nothing for free and would not expect to. Saying that i would prefer to pay somebody who knows what there are doing Even when money is in short surply. For example my old mechanic moved house and needed it painted so i painted his house and he serviced my wife and fixed my car. All happy no money exchanged hands.
Fixed that for you mate :D :-*
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Personaly this day and age you get nothing for free and would not expect to. Saying that i would prefer to pay somebody who knows what there are doing Even when money is in short surply. For example my old mechanic moved house and needed it painted so i painted his house and he serviced my Wife and fixed my car. All happy no money exchanged hands.
;D ;D I Wondered why my Mrs kept getting her car regularly serviced :D :D
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I wont be getting into any debate subject.. but I must say my omega is 15 years old.. still in good nick and I will continue to spend for it as far as I have in my pocket.. Just recently purchased new alloys which requires custom built spacers/pcd changers.. and finally I have finished the problem of 5x110 standard..
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I wont be getting into any debate subject.. but I must say my omega is 15 years old.. still in good nick and I will continue to spend for it as far as I have in my pocket.. Just recently purchased new alloys which requires custom built spacers/pcd changers.. and finally I have finished the problem of 5x110 standard..
How you doing Cem :y :y
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I wont be getting into any debate subject.. but I must say my omega is 15 years old.. still in good nick and I will continue to spend for it as far as I have in my pocket.. Just recently purchased new alloys which requires custom built spacers/pcd changers.. and finally I have finished the problem of 5x110 standard..
How you doing Cem :y :y
Hi Robg. :y
trying to get myself busy with stupid things. :-\
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I wont be getting into any debate subject.. but I must say my omega is 15 years old.. still in good nick and I will continue to spend for it as far as I have in my pocket.. Just recently purchased new alloys which requires custom built spacers/pcd changers.. and finally I have finished the problem of 5x110 standard..
How you doing Cem :y :y
Hi Robg. :y
trying to get myself busy with stupid things. :-\
Hope your problems are getting easier mate
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I wont be getting into any debate subject.. but I must say my omega is 15 years old.. still in good nick and I will continue to spend for it as far as I have in my pocket.. Just recently purchased new alloys which requires custom built spacers/pcd changers.. and finally I have finished the problem of 5x110 standard..
How you doing Cem :y :y
Hi Robg. :y
trying to get myself busy with stupid things. :-\
Hope your problems are getting easier mate
unfortunately no.. but I hope I will feel better in time.. :-\
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I wont be getting into any debate subject.. but I must say my omega is 15 years old.. still in good nick and I will continue to spend for it as far as I have in my pocket.. Just recently purchased new alloys which requires custom built spacers/pcd changers.. and finally I have finished the problem of 5x110 standard..
How you doing Cem :y :y
Hi Robg. :y
trying to get myself busy with stupid things. :-\
Hope your problems are getting easier mate
unfortunately no.. but I hope I will feel better in time.. :-\
Keep your spirits up Cem :)
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Late into this one for various assorted reasons, but, here goes.
It is appreciated that OOF, by its very nature, is a transient thing and thus forever evolving. Its how it evolved from Vxon, FFS....
But that said, there is a still pervading requirement for the standards enviseaged at origin to be maintained throughout. Pity we didn't maintain that subsequently. :-\ :'(
I think we shot ourselves in the foot, admin wise, over the DLK/JB/LJ debacle.
Isn't 20/20 hindsight a wonderfull thing???
Given the chance to revisit whats past, well, I think I would have caused us to have a very different OOF if that were to materialise. :-X
Yes, the admin team took too long to resolve an issue but, that said, the admin team work (or have available) different times to be online and that, by its very nature, means extended times to come to concensus and result.
Yes, perhaps a problem with outspoken members should have been addressed differently, very much earlier, which would probably have resolved the immediate matter in hand but would have had longer term implications that would bite us in times to come.
Bottom line, however, is...
We are where we are.
OOF's initial concept was to provide a forum where owners could get information, advice and hands on assistance (for free!!!) to ensure the marque continues to flourish. That the owner group has now dropped a social/financial group or several (shoot me, its just an opinion..... :P ) should be meaningless but, sadly, its a fact. That some members realised a market for parts or hands on services, well, fair play, says I. Just don't strip the golden teet.
Clique??? Quite possibly but, as said earlier, some on here started as keyboard warriors (like some now.....) but made the effort to enjoy meets, get dirty hands, have a few tears as well as a few beers and thus, friendships are made. That said friendships now filter into open forum as it is now, well, just join in and in no time at all, you will also be percieved as part of the 'clique' be a member who joins today....... Think about it. :y
Whether this marque, like numerous historic others, survives the parts blitz/banger/drift/drag circuit or not remains to be seen but, suffice to say, the forum still continues to be a good meeting place for owners who wish to maintain, improve and continue to enjoy what, to me anyway, is a well presented luxury car at pleasant money on todays listings.
I'm drivelling a tad now but, hopefully, my point is appreciated.
As to new sections and stuff. Keep the ideas coming. New cars simply would not appear if it were not for concepts..... :y
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hotel21
why do you talk in some sort of code that the rest of us have no idea what you are talking about
its cos you are in with the main
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hotel21
why do you talk in some sort of code that the rest of us have no idea what you are talking about
its cos you are in with the main
take no notice btc, he's just showin off. ;) :D
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you just wanna get your hands around my car dont u chris, :y
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hotel21
why do you talk in some sort of code that the rest of us have no idea what you are talking about
its cos you are in with the main
Why are you moaning, do you want to join in or not? what do you want? as I said you are posting so that is a good start, if you want some direct advice, buy a Bosch dis pack and keep it as a spare, cos when, and it will be a when, it fails it is less that 10 minutes on a 2.2 to replace....... :y :y :y
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Personaly this day and age you get nothing for free and would not expect to. Saying that i would prefer to pay somebody who knows what there are doing Even when money is in short surply. For example my old mechanic moved house and needed it painted so i painted his house and he serviced my wife and fixed my car. All happy no money exchanged hands.
Fixed that for you mate :D :-*
Thanks for that Rob. I need to take her back she is still leaking now and again and the bumpers are drooping ;D ;D ;D
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Sorry folks, this is a long one. ;D
It is without doubt that this Forum gives Omega owners the best available chance to keep their car up and running. :y
In my younger days, I had an 'A Frame' with block & tackle chains and it was a regular occurance for me to have an engine out of one of my Fords for total engine rebuild. Thinking back, I was really cruel to these engines. :o ;D For those that remember, we used to strip them down to the bare block, take it to be honed out/rebored and then spend an afternoon rebuilding it with new pistons/crankshaft/top & bottom end etc. You rarely see people working on cars in their driveway now. My parents would see this as a good thing, after years of seeing completely dissected engines in their outhouse. ::) ;D
I feel that this Forum has given people the confidence to tackle jobs that they would have otherwise been afraid to tackle. The wealth of knowledge & offers of help is overwhelming. Offers of help from people you have never met. :y I am thankfully able to tackle most jobs on my own but only after I have been pointed in the right direction by someone more knowledgeable. After all, as my old apprentice master used to say, it's only a lump of metal with a load of bolts holding it together. ;D
As for 'clique', I agree with previous posters who have said that actually meeting people in the flesh goes a long way to breaking barriers. As I am a sociably inadequate person myself, this was the part that I dreaded most. Such is my social inadequacy, I hovered around the Forum for best part of two years before I became a member. ::) I am hopeless in that department and it doesn't help that I am totally deaf in my left ear & not that great in my right ear, so communication isn't great. Trust me, if I can go to a meet, anyone can. Somebody will always break away from the group to speak to you which means the next time you go you have someone familiar to chat with.
As for posting, I'm not a big poster myself. I only post when I'm certain of the answer for fear of being shot down. I do not join in argumentive posts and I would never reply rudely to anyone.
The Forum is great for Omega knowledge but I'm not sure what is expected of the General Discussion area. Obviously it is seen to have lost its humour which in turn means it has lost its humerous posters. :-\
In this day and age, I think it's great that members are willing to help people they don't even know. By keeping it polite and showing a bit of common decency to other members is enough for me but maybe not enough for other members. :-\
I am extremely grateful just for the knowledge on here, the rest is just a bonus. :y
Regards
Alan
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Sorry folks, this is a long one. ;D
It is without doubt that this Forum gives Omega owners the best available chance to keep their car up and running. :y
In my younger days, I had an 'A Frame' with block & tackle chains and it was a regular occurance for me to have an engine out of one of my Fords for total engine rebuild. Thinking back, I was really cruel to these engines. :o ;D For those that remember, we used to strip them down to the bare block, take it to be honed out/rebored and then spend an afternoon rebuilding it with new pistons/crankshaft/top & bottom end etc. You rarely see people working on cars in their driveway now. My parents would see this as a good thing, after years of seeing completely dissected engines in their outhouse. ::) ;D
I feel that this Forum has given people the confidence to tackle jobs that they would have otherwise been afraid to tackle. The wealth of knowledge & offers of help is overwhelming. Offers of help from people you have never met. :y I am thankfully able to tackle most jobs on my own but only after I have been pointed in the right direction by someone more knowledgeable. After all, as my old apprentice master used to say, it's only a lump of metal with a load of bolts holding it together. ;D
As for 'clique', I agree with previous posters who have said that actually meeting people in the flesh goes a long way to breaking barriers. As I am a sociably inadequate person myself, this was the part that I dreaded most. Such is my social inadequacy, I hovered around the Forum for best part of two years before I became a member. ::) I am hopeless in that department and it doesn't help that I am totally deaf in my left ear & not that great in my right ear, so communication isn't great. Trust me, if I can go to a meet, anyone can. Somebody will always break away from the group to speak to you which means the next time you go you have someone familiar to chat with.
As for posting, I'm not a big poster myself. I only post when I'm certain of the answer for fear of being shot down. I do not join in argumentive posts and I would never reply rudely to anyone.
The Forum is great for Omega knowledge but I'm not sure what is expected of the General Discussion area. Obviously it is seen to have lost its humour which in turn means it has lost its humerous posters. :-\
In this day and age, I think it's great that members are willing to help people they don't even know. By keeping it polite and showing a bit of common decency to other members is enough for me but maybe not enough for other members. :-\
I am extremely grateful just for the knowledge on here, the rest is just a bonus. :y
Regards
Alan
Well said, that man. :y
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Sorry folks, this is a long one. ;D
It is without doubt that this Forum gives Omega owners the best available chance to keep their car up and running. :y
In my younger days, I had an 'A Frame' with block & tackle chains and it was a regular occurance for me to have an engine out of one of my Fords for total engine rebuild. Thinking back, I was really cruel to these engines. :o ;D For those that remember, we used to strip them down to the bare block, take it to be honed out/rebored and then spend an afternoon rebuilding it with new pistons/crankshaft/top & bottom end etc. You rarely see people working on cars in their driveway now. My parents would see this as a good thing, after years of seeing completely dissected engines in their outhouse. ::) ;D
I feel that this Forum has given people the confidence to tackle jobs that they would have otherwise been afraid to tackle. The wealth of knowledge & offers of help is overwhelming. Offers of help from people you have never met. :y I am thankfully able to tackle most jobs on my own but only after I have been pointed in the right direction by someone more knowledgeable. After all, as my old apprentice master used to say, it's only a lump of metal with a load of bolts holding it together. ;D
As for 'clique', I agree with previous posters who have said that actually meeting people in the flesh goes a long way to breaking barriers. As I am a sociably inadequate person myself, this was the part that I dreaded most. Such is my social inadequacy, I hovered around the Forum for best part of two years before I became a member. ::) I am hopeless in that department and it doesn't help that I am totally deaf in my left ear & not that great in my right ear, so communication isn't great. Trust me, if I can go to a meet, anyone can. Somebody will always break away from the group to speak to you which means the next time you go you have someone familiar to chat with.
As for posting, I'm not a big poster myself. I only post when I'm certain of the answer for fear of being shot down. I do not join in argumentive posts and I would never reply rudely to anyone.
The Forum is great for Omega knowledge but I'm not sure what is expected of the General Discussion area. Obviously it is seen to have lost its humour which in turn means it has lost its humerous posters. :-\
In this day and age, I think it's great that members are willing to help people they don't even know. By keeping it polite and showing a bit of common decency to other members is enough for me but maybe not enough for other members. :-\
I am extremely grateful just for the knowledge on here, the rest is just a bonus. :y
Regards
Alan
good one.. :y
and an important point to talk about.. never fear to be shot down.. no one owns the absolute truth and knowledge ..
every one can be shot down including the most knowledgable members and admins.. at least you will have the chance to
correct your wrong info , if you have.. I , personally, was corrected many times ::) and never feel shame for it.. and
never worried about it.. and trust me being a foreign member with a foreign language is not that easy ..
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:y Sorry folks, this is a long one. ;D
It is without doubt that this Forum gives Omega owners the best available chance to keep their car up and running. :y
In my younger days, I had an 'A Frame' with block & tackle chains and it was a regular occurance for me to have an engine out of one of my Fords for total engine rebuild. Thinking back, I was really cruel to these engines. :o ;D For those that remember, we used to strip them down to the bare block, take it to be honed out/rebored and then spend an afternoon rebuilding it with new pistons/crankshaft/top & bottom end etc. You rarely see people working on cars in their driveway now. My parents would see this as a good thing, after years of seeing completely dissected engines in their outhouse. ::) ;D
I feel that this Forum has given people the confidence to tackle jobs that they would have otherwise been afraid to tackle. The wealth of knowledge & offers of help is overwhelming. Offers of help from people you have never met. :y I am thankfully able to tackle most jobs on my own but only after I have been pointed in the right direction by someone more knowledgeable. After all, as my old apprentice master used to say, it's only a lump of metal with a load of bolts holding it together. ;D
As for 'clique', I agree with previous posters who have said that actually meeting people in the flesh goes a long way to breaking barriers. As I am a sociably inadequate person myself, this was the part that I dreaded most. Such is my social inadequacy, I hovered around the Forum for best part of two years before I became a member. ::) I am hopeless in that department and it doesn't help that I am totally deaf in my left ear & not that great in my right ear, so communication isn't great. Trust me, if I can go to a meet, anyone can. Somebody will always break away from the group to speak to you which means the next time you go you have someone familiar to chat with.
As for posting, I'm not a big poster myself. I only post when I'm certain of the answer for fear of being shot down. I do not join in argumentive posts and I would never reply rudely to anyone.
The Forum is great for Omega knowledge but I'm not sure what is expected of the General Discussion area. Obviously it is seen to have lost its humour which in turn means it has lost its humerous posters. :-\
In this day and age, I think it's great that members are willing to help people they don't even know. By keeping it polite and showing a bit of common decency to other members is enough for me but maybe not enough for other members. :-\
I am extremely grateful just for the knowledge on here, the rest is just a bonus. :y
Regards
Alan
good one.. :y
and an important point to talk about.. never fear to be shot down.. no one owns the absolute truth and knowledge ..
every one can be shot down including the most knowledgable members and admins.. at least you will have the chance to
correct your wrong info , if you have.. I , personally, was corrected many times ::) and never feel shame for it.. and
never worried about it.. and trust me being a foreign member with a foreign language is not that easy ..
Your grasp of the written english language is better than mine Cem :-[ :-[ :-[
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:y Sorry folks, this is a long one. ;D
It is without doubt that this Forum gives Omega owners the best available chance to keep their car up and running. :y
In my younger days, I had an 'A Frame' with block & tackle chains and it was a regular occurance for me to have an engine out of one of my Fords for total engine rebuild. Thinking back, I was really cruel to these engines. :o ;D For those that remember, we used to strip them down to the bare block, take it to be honed out/rebored and then spend an afternoon rebuilding it with new pistons/crankshaft/top & bottom end etc. You rarely see people working on cars in their driveway now. My parents would see this as a good thing, after years of seeing completely dissected engines in their outhouse. ::) ;D
I feel that this Forum has given people the confidence to tackle jobs that they would have otherwise been afraid to tackle. The wealth of knowledge & offers of help is overwhelming. Offers of help from people you have never met. :y I am thankfully able to tackle most jobs on my own but only after I have been pointed in the right direction by someone more knowledgeable. After all, as my old apprentice master used to say, it's only a lump of metal with a load of bolts holding it together. ;D
As for 'clique', I agree with previous posters who have said that actually meeting people in the flesh goes a long way to breaking barriers. As I am a sociably inadequate person myself, this was the part that I dreaded most. Such is my social inadequacy, I hovered around the Forum for best part of two years before I became a member. ::) I am hopeless in that department and it doesn't help that I am totally deaf in my left ear & not that great in my right ear, so communication isn't great. Trust me, if I can go to a meet, anyone can. Somebody will always break away from the group to speak to you which means the next time you go you have someone familiar to chat with.
As for posting, I'm not a big poster myself. I only post when I'm certain of the answer for fear of being shot down. I do not join in argumentive posts and I would never reply rudely to anyone.
The Forum is great for Omega knowledge but I'm not sure what is expected of the General Discussion area. Obviously it is seen to have lost its humour which in turn means it has lost its humerous posters. :-\
In this day and age, I think it's great that members are willing to help people they don't even know. By keeping it polite and showing a bit of common decency to other members is enough for me but maybe not enough for other members. :-\
I am extremely grateful just for the knowledge on here, the rest is just a bonus. :y
Regards
Alan
good one.. :y
and an important point to talk about.. never fear to be shot down.. no one owns the absolute truth and knowledge ..
every one can be shot down including the most knowledgable members and admins.. at least you will have the chance to
correct your wrong info , if you have.. I , personally, was corrected many times ::) and never feel shame for it.. and
never worried about it.. and trust me being a foreign member with a foreign language is not that easy ..
Your grasp of the written english language is better than mine Cem :-[ :-[ :-[
I'm not that sure .. thanks :) :y
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One forum i was on had a room called the LOUNGE where the only way you gained access was to behave like a good boy then they sent you a password ::) when you logged in they were all in the LOUNGE and didnt come out so the newbies were left fighting on the general forum ;D
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I feel last year that there was too much bitchiness going on and that it disinterested people. Sure people would still log on but perhaps were thinking twice about posting for fear of getting slapped down / couldn't be bothered in getting into a likely tait a tait that would ensue with other members? Then comes the point that alot of people browse for some light relief/relaxation and when confronted with slagging matches think i don't want to spend my time reading anymore because it is not helping you unwind.. I know i felt this way so just chilled for a bit.
Also as alot of people have gathered knowledge when a newbie comes on asking for help who hasn't checked the maintenance guides they have sometimes been subject to an abrupt response. Sure they should check the guides but i think this has also been a reason for a change in the spirit of OOF.
Finally as people get older they tend to have more responsibilities and with this seem to be under greater pressure in their everyday lives and potentially more likely to be quicker to snap back at another persons posts. Think of your life now compared to 5 / 10 years ago and i bet alot has changed (kids, loved ones ill or no longer with us, financial difficulties etc..)
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I feel last year that there was too much bitchiness going on and that it disinterested people. Sure people would still log on but perhaps were thinking twice about posting for fear of getting slapped down / couldn't be bothered in getting into a likely tait a tait that would ensue with other members? Then comes the point that alot of people browse for some light relief/relaxation and when confronted with slagging matches think i don't want to spend my time reading anymore because it is not helping you unwind.. I know i felt this way so just chilled for a bit.
Also as alot of people have gathered knowledge when a newbie comes on asking for help who hasn't checked the maintenance guides they have sometimes been subject to an abrupt response. Sure they should check the guides but i think this has also been a reason for a change in the spirit of OOF.
Finally as people get older they tend to have more responsibilities and with this seem to be under greater pressure in their everyday lives and potentially more likely to be quicker to snap back at another persons posts. Think of your life now compared to 5 / 10 years ago and i bet alot has changed (kids, loved ones ill or no longer with us, financial difficulties etc..)
This is a good point!! :y Also in the same vein, I've noticed that when a newbie comes along using text speak or WRITING IN CAPITALS, then some people can be downright rude to them!! ::)
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Personally, I don't know why we bother with the guides, given the number of posts asking on guide covered subjects as old as the hills. I ain't writing that out "again" is a common thought for me tbh. Where's the sense, do a guide to help others, then write the same later, we could post a link, but they can look for themselves...? No?
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Chris, maybe they dont realise it's free? I know of plenty of forums where you have to pay to get to the maintenance guide, so maybe they just assume it's the same here?
Can a newbie comment on this? It would be interesting :y
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Not a newbie but i think it is part of the instant information hungry society - where alot (not all) want the answers in their face from the start without doing any research themselves. They should search the guides of course, but the reality is alot cannot be bothered or fail to realise they are there (despite it being clear in my eyes)
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Personally, I don't know why we bother with the guides, given the number of posts asking on guide covered subjects as old as the hills. I ain't writing that out "again" is a common thought for me tbh. Where's the sense, do a guide to help others, then write the same later, we could post a link, but they can look for themselves...? No?
I think Chris that the point Radar and Tigger were making was the unnecessarily abrupt manner of some replies. I remember the first time I went on a forum and had no idea how they worked or how to navigate around and it was nice to have a friendly response even if I was asking about something that was covered elsewhere on the forum rather than being "told off" for not looking properly before asking. If I had have been given some of the responses I've seen given to newbies on here, I would have thought "sod this, what an unfriendly place" and buggered off immediately!! A short polite and friendly response just to point someone in the right direction costs nothing and can be greatly appreciated.
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Personally, I don't know why we bother with the guides, given the number of posts asking on guide covered subjects as old as the hills. I ain't writing that out "again" is a common thought for me tbh. Where's the sense, do a guide to help others, then write the same later, we could post a link, but they can look for themselves...? No?
I think Chris that the point Radar and Tigger were making was the unnecessarily abrupt manner of some replies. I remember the first time I went on a forum and had no idea how they worked or how to navigate around and it was nice to have a friendly response even if I was asking about something that was covered elsewhere on the forum rather than being "told off" for not looking properly before asking. If I had have been given some of the responses I've seen given to newbies on here, I would have thought "sod this, what an unfriendly place" and buggered off immediately!! A short polite and friendly response just to point someone in the right direction costs nothing and can be greatly appreciated.
+1 bob :y :y
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I'll agree with bob and henry on this one :( :(
The amount of so called regulars on who have spoken to newbies like a piece of sh*t because they didn't consult the guides is imo well out of line :(
A couple of months back, some poor bloke who happened to be posting in capitals.
Needless to say, certain members of this forum jumped on the bandwagon and started calling break out of him, even after he said he had parkinsons and struggled with a keyboard :(
Not everybody on the rather planet is comfortable behind a keyboard.
Some folks don't even like texting from a mobile phone infact I often get playfull abuse of people I know because I hardly ever text. I just dial the number and use my voice ;)
Some of the people on here want to look in the mirror and ask themselfs this question ...........
Would you speak to these people face to face the way you type when you are hideing behind a keyboard ??
I'd put money on it you wouldn't because if you did you would end up needing a rather dentist ;)
I think its time that some folks on here calmed down, stopped thinking that they are better then some people and chilled out because to "a outsider", they come across as nothing more then "keyboard warrior's" and bullys :( :(
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Would you speak to these people face to face the way you type when you are hideing behind a keyboard ??
Sage words that every user of the internet would be wise to consider... ;)
It's so easy to spot someone has a single-digit post could and cut them a little slack.. Even if it's only to politely point out how simple it is to find the maintenance guides.
That said, I can't remember the last time I looked in the newbie welcome area. :-[
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Put maintenance guides at the top of the home page. Bolder, bigger, than other menu items with some comment like "please refer to these, they are great(!) :y before posting a question". Bring newbies attention to it. The home page is very symmetrical with not one thing standing out more than others. This should alleviate some distress to those who took the time and care to write them.
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Would you like to name these so called regulars
because i have one in mind.
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Put maintenance guides at the top of the home page. Bolder, bigger, than other menu items with some comment like "please refer to these, they are great(!) :y before posting a question". Bring newbies attention to it. The home page is very symmetrical with not one thing standing out more than others. This should alleviate some distress to those who took the time and care to write them.
Agree with that :y
In fact, bring it to members attention when they fill out the form to join the forum.
You even add a tick box to say that they have read the terms and conditions :y
But at the end of the day, there are too many people on here suffering from "keyboard hardman syndrome"
If this forum is going to be the friendly, welcoming and informative place that the lads who set it up want it to be, it needs sorting asap.
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Would you like to name these so called regulars
because i have one in mind.
No point.
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Would you like to name these so called regulars
because i have one in mind.
No point turning this into a witch hunt or it will turn out like the lizzie zoom, daz / ljay / jimbob :(
Age
Job status
Background
Single
Married
Loaded
In deep sh*t money wise
ect, blah blah blah
There is a incredibly wide range or members on here.
There is just no tolerence or consideration anymore :(
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I thought the forum had quietened down a lot lately, I must be looking at the wrong boards.
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I thought the forum had quietened down a lot lately, I must be looking at the wrong boards.
Who asked you ;D ;D
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I thought the forum had quietened down a lot lately, I must be looking at the wrong boards.
Who asked you ;D ;D
Bully! I want my mummy :'(
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I thought the forum had quietened down a lot lately, I must be looking at the wrong broads.
Corrected that
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Personally, I don't know why we bother with the guides, given the number of posts asking on guide covered subjects as old as the hills. I ain't writing that out "again" is a common thought for me tbh. Where's the sense, do a guide to help others, then write the same later, we could post a link, but they can look for themselves...? No?
The guides are fantastic, I just think that people either don't explore the site properly because they can't be arsed, or are not great on the computer. I understand your frustration in taking the time to do the guides and then having to direct people to it, but I for one really appreciate the time and effort put into them, they've saved me and lots of other people a LOT of money. :y
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Personally, I don't know why we bother with the guides, given the number of posts asking on guide covered subjects as old as the hills. I ain't writing that out "again" is a common thought for me tbh. Where's the sense, do a guide to help others, then write the same later, we could post a link, but they can look for themselves...? No?
The guides are fantastic, I just think that people either don't explore the site properly because they can't be arsed, or are not great on the computer. I understand your frustration in taking the time to do the guides and then having to direct people to it, but I for one really appreciate the time and effort put into them, they've saved me and lots of other people a LOT of money. :y
:y :y illsecond that JC :y :y
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I wont be getting into any debate subject.. but I must say my omega is 15 years old.. still in good nick and I will continue to spend for it as far as I have in my pocket.. Just recently purchased new alloys which requires custom built spacers/pcd changers.. and finally I have finished the problem of 5x110 standard..
What happened to the ones you were restoring a year or so ago CEM?
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Personally, I don't know why we bother with the guides, given the number of posts asking on guide covered subjects as old as the hills. I ain't writing that out "again" is a common thought for me tbh. Where's the sense, do a guide to help others, then write the same later, we could post a link, but they can look for themselves...? No?
The guides are fantastic, I just think that people either don't explore the site properly because they can't be arsed, or are not great on the computer. I understand your frustration in taking the time to do the guides and then having to direct people to it, but I for one really appreciate the time and effort put into them, they've saved me and lots of other people a LOT of money. :y
Agree with all that.
Some of the guides on here are priceless and the members who took the time to write them and those of you who have gone out of your way to help folks on here should hold there head up high :y
It's just a shame when so many people jump on the bandwagon to bitch slap people when they don't look first :( :(
Imho, that attitude is what is dragging this forum down :(
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Personally, I don't know why we bother with the guides, given the number of posts asking on guide covered subjects as old as the hills. I ain't writing that out "again" is a common thought for me tbh. Where's the sense, do a guide to help others, then write the same later, we could post a link, but they can look for themselves...? No?
A fair point Chris, but bear in mind some of us often don't know what we should be looking for in the guides, (as happened to me to my cost), hence posts in the Help area. :y
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Personally, I don't know why we bother with the guides, given the number of posts asking on guide covered subjects as old as the hills. I ain't writing that out "again" is a common thought for me tbh. Where's the sense, do a guide to help others, then write the same later, we could post a link, but they can look for themselves...? No?
I think Chris that the point Radar and Tigger were making was the unnecessarily abrupt manner of some replies. I remember the first time I went on a forum and had no idea how they worked or how to navigate around and it was nice to have a friendly response even if I was asking about something that was covered elsewhere on the forum rather than being "told off" for not looking properly before asking. If I had have been given some of the responses I've seen given to newbies on here, I would have thought "sod this, what an unfriendly place" and buggered off immediately!! A short polite and friendly response just to point someone in the right direction costs nothing and can be greatly appreciated.
Hear Hear :y
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personnally the capitols dont bother me(they really nark master tunnie)as he likes to constantly tell people,text speak doesnt bother me as it does some others it is how people communicate now,i know its lazy and its really hard work spelling great so its now gr8 but so what its how its is and its only gonna get worse and people can tut at capitol writers or text writers all day but it will eventually work its way on here or the constant telling off for using it will stop people visiting.i have seen in numerous cases newbies joining and being told off.as said above as time goes on commitments change,illness,job losses,the weather it all adds up to peoples moods and sometimes you cant be arsed coming on here but your scared of missing something so people do and might be a bit snappy(were all guilty of that).the scrapyard by me lately ive seen quite a few omegas in the yard waiting to be stripped or join the rest of them on the shelving units so it goes to show they are a dieing breed and soon the only omegas out there will be the ones kept going on here by the true enthusiasts,the only reason i dont have one now is there is 6 of us.ive only met guy(amigo to any newbies) from this forum and what a nice bloke and there is many others i would like to put a face to the name but every time theres a meet i have other commitments and theres many talk about the meets and how it lifts the mood so my suggestion is to try and sort out more meets,try and get more members to gather and if people make the effort to turn up then its hats off,if not then they obviously cant be that bothered
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Wot about a meeting in Uddersfield Daz? You could all play with your whippets :y
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personnally the capitols dont bother me(they really nark master tunnie)as he likes to constantly tell people,text speak doesnt bother me as it does some others it is how people communicate now,i know its lazy and its really hard work spelling great so its now gr8 but so what its how its is and its only gonna get worse and people can tut at capitol writers or text writers all day but it will eventually work its way on here or the constant telling off for using it will stop people visiting.i have seen in numerous cases newbies joining and being told off.as said above as time goes on commitments change,illness,job losses,the weather it all adds up to peoples moods and sometimes you cant be arsed coming on here but your scared of missing something so people do and might be a bit snappy(were all guilty of that).the scrapyard by me lately ive seen quite a few omegas in the yard waiting to be stripped or join the rest of them on the shelving units so it goes to show they are a dieing breed and soon the only omegas out there will be the ones kept going on here by the true enthusiasts,the only reason i dont have one now is there is 6 of us.ive only met guy(amigo to any newbies) from this forum and what a nice bloke and there is many others i would like to put a face to the name but every time theres a meet i have other commitments and theres many talk about the meets and how it lifts the mood so my suggestion is to try and sort out more meets,try and get more members to gather and if people make the effort to turn up then its hats off,if not then they obviously cant be that bothered
dont expect pretty the men are all ugly tinkers except the dashing guffer of course he even makes working on a car look good 8)but after a few beers they start looking normalish ;D :y
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personnally the capitols dont bother me(they really nark master tunnie)as he likes to constantly tell people,text speak doesnt bother me as it does some others it is how people communicate now
1) Capitols is a web standard, not just this forum, I'm just one of many who remind members.
2) Text speak is not how people communicate now, I never see it at work or with my mates. Its for retard chavs who think its "cool". Many people don't understand it, its a good thats its against the rules. You no longer have to squeeze a message into a 160 character limit for a SMS, this is a forum with a 6000 character limit per post, you have a keyboard, use it ;)
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personnally the capitols dont bother me(they really nark master tunnie)as he likes to constantly tell people,text speak doesnt bother me as it does some others it is how people communicate now
1) Capitols is a web standard, not just this forum, I'm just one of many who remind members.
2) Text speak is not how people communicate now, I never see it at work or with my mates. Its for retard chavs who think its "cool". Many people don't understand it, its a good thats its against the rules. You no longer have to squeeze a message into a 160 character limit for a SMS, this is a forum with a 6000 character limit per post, you have a keyboard, use it ;)
just dont be a warrior or you will upset the tigers gonads :y
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personnally the capitols dont bother me
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text speak doesnt bother me as it does some others it is how people communicate now,i know its lazy and its really hard work spelling great so its now gr8 but so what its how its is and its only gonna get worse
Both are unreadable in reality. Personally, if I can't understand a query on the 2nd read, I ignore it and go help someone else instead. Punctuation is another.
*BUT* who gives a toss what I think/do - I sure don't, and can't imagine anyone else does. That rule is there for 2 reasons, 1) usability/readability, 2) to increase our search rankings
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personnally the capitols dont bother me
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text speak doesnt bother me as it does some others it is how people communicate now,i know its lazy and its really hard work spelling great so its now gr8 but so what its how its is and its only gonna get worse
Both are unreadable in reality. Personally, if I can't understand a query on the 2nd read, I ignore it and go help someone else instead. Punctuation is another.
*BUT* who gives a toss what I think/do - I sure don't, and can't imagine anyone else does. That rule is there for 2 reasons, 1) usability/readability, 2) to increase our search rankings
Agreed, I didn't read the one above because of that. :y
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personnally the capitols dont bother me(they really nark master tunnie)as he likes to constantly tell people,text speak doesnt bother me as it does some others it is how people communicate now
1) Capitols is a web standard, not just this forum, I'm just one of many who remind members.
2) Text speak is not how people communicate now, I never see it at work or with my mates. Its for retard chavs who think its "cool". Many people don't understand it, its a good thats its against the rules. You no longer have to squeeze a message into a 160 character limit for a SMS, this is a forum with a 6000 character limit per post, you have a keyboard, use it ;)
just dont be a warrior or you will upset the tigers gonads :y
fark orf lovecock :-* :-* ;D ;D
And please, its MR TIGERS_GONADS to you ;D ;D
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with regards to the gramer spelling and text talk.some people like my self have difficulty spelling and putting a letter together,weather its to do with a disability or as in my case a very bad education (not going to school ) lol
but as a few of you know i hold a responsable job not an educated one but each day can have over a 1000 lives in my hands !!!!!
but because im not good at spelling dose it make me a bad person ............i think not.
re the guide section could a link not be put in the page header with it being lit by the migys head lights ????
but lets all be friends and get on let bygons be bygons make love not war ect ect
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Use of caps - it annoys me more than a tad but I do try to remind folks nicely when its used. Sometimes, after a bad day and further grief at home, I get snappy.
Text speak? Perhaps its becoming more used in the next generation to me (indeed, the next generation after that, truth be told...) but that does not mean I expect to see books, newspapers, letters, flyers, magazines, internet search results, forums or any other 'printed' media anytime soon and as such, see its use as just another example of intellect getting distilled into the brainwashed masses.
As to its use on here? No, thanks very much.... :)
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I wont be getting into any debate subject.. but I must say my omega is 15 years old.. still in good nick and I will continue to spend for it as far as I have in my pocket.. Just recently purchased new alloys which requires custom built spacers/pcd changers.. and finally I have finished the problem of 5x110 standard..
What happened to the ones you were restoring a year or so ago CEM?
I restored a set for clit.. another set for omega recently.. will use them for winter.. epoxy painted.. 10 days ago.. dried.. and waiting for final sanding and paint.. but couldnt find time.. the new set is ready waiting for tires but budget needs some time for purchasing brand new tires.. also car needs paint but due to some events its delayed for some time.. :-\
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Further, to answer Trainman1's point, I appreciate that not all use the english language as teachers would like, for varying reasons, so I try not to be a pedant and correct errors as some others do.
Its not a 2nd year high school edumaction place we have here, its about fixing cars and having a giggle in the process....
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Text speak was born in the time when characters were everything, trying to cram as much information as possible in a single message. Also element of speed of typing, but I always used auto-predict.
Its no longer required, contracts have practically unlimited messages, most modern phones have full qwerty keyboards too. There is no need for it.
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I never use text speak, when texting, e-mailing or in any other form.
We have no spealling and grammar police, nor do I care if people spell things wrong, as it's obvious what they mean 99% of the time, but taking that extra 20 seconds to make sure everything makes sense is worth it in my opinion.
I think Tunnie is unfairly singled out. He rightly points out when sometimes it is very hard to understand what someone is saying.
I will also agree that CAPITAL LETTERS MAKE THINGS HARDER TO UNDERSTAND.
The shouting aspect of it makes no difference to me, I just don't understand why it's in capitals?
Watch this Top Gear video from 4.00 onwards, explains capitals nicely...and we get to see a Vauxhall VXR ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QypmXbwD1k
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Use of caps - it annoys me more than a tad but I do try to remind folks nicely when its used. Sometimes, after a bad day and further grief at home, I get snappy.
Text speak? Perhaps its becoming more used in the next generation to me (indeed, the next generation after that, truth be told...) but that does not mean I expect to see books, newspapers, letters, flyers, magazines, internet search results, forums or any other 'printed' media anytime soon and as such, see its use as just another example of intellect getting distilled into the brainwashed masses.
As to its use on here? No, thanks very much.... :)
:o :o snappy ;D ;D but it is always a good read even though i have to google some of the words :y
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and also if we will be fair about newbies - oldies.. I still remember too many cases where old members (including me) facing "unusual" behaviours from newbies in general help section.. One was also Lizzie which she later gave up for general help.. :-\
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personnally the capitols dont bother me(they really nark master tunnie)as he likes to constantly tell people,text speak doesnt bother me as it does some others it is how people communicate now
1) Capitols is a web standard, not just this forum, I'm just one of many who remind members.
2) Text speak is not how people communicate now, I never see it at work or with my mates. Its for retard chavs who think its "cool". Many people don't understand it, its a good thats its against the rules. You no longer have to squeeze a message into a 160 character limit for a SMS, this is a forum with a 6000 character limit per post, you have a keyboard, use it ;)
just dont be a warrior or you will upset the tigers gonads :y
fark orf lovecock :-* :-* ;D ;D
And please, its MR TIGERS_GONADS to you ;D ;D
no need to shout i am not deaf Mr Giters Nadogs just dick lettuce ;D ;D
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personnally the capitols dont bother me(they really nark master tunnie)as he likes to constantly tell people,text speak doesnt bother me as it does some others it is how people communicate now
1) Capitols is a web standard, not just this forum, I'm just one of many who remind members.
2) Text speak is not how people communicate now, I never see it at work or with my mates. Its for retard chavs who think its "cool". Many people don't understand it, its a good thats its against the rules. You no longer have to squeeze a message into a 160 character limit for a SMS, this is a forum with a 6000 character limit per post, you have a keyboard, use it ;)
the unofficial admin speaks again,thats a strong statement to declare that...text speak is NOT how people communicate now..im afraid it is old bean just that the masses on here are of an older generation and thats not an offence its fact,how many of you have kids and there thumbs work like lightening on the phone buttons.it sometimes seems that as soon as a newbie arrives and speaks in text or capitols theyre jumped on and tunnie the way you approach and reply to posts sometimes is arrogant,its not your site...its not your rules and you need to engage brain before mouth sometimes as your that quick to post you have often been wrong and blame it on not reading the original post properly(whats the matter are the words too long to read for you,maybe it should be abbreviated into text ::) ) ;)
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personnally the capitols dont bother me(they really nark master tunnie)as he likes to constantly tell people,text speak doesnt bother me as it does some others it is how people communicate now
1) Capitols is a web standard, not just this forum, I'm just one of many who remind members.
2) Text speak is not how people communicate now, I never see it at work or with my mates. Its for retard chavs who think its "cool". Many people don't understand it, its a good thats its against the rules. You no longer have to squeeze a message into a 160 character limit for a SMS, this is a forum with a 6000 character limit per post, you have a keyboard, use it ;)
just dont be a warrior or you will upset the tigers gonads :y
fark orf lovecock :-* :-* ;D ;D
And please, its MR TIGERS_GONADS to you ;D ;D
no need to shout i am not deaf Mr Giters Nadogs just dick lettuce ;D ;D
Hang on a minute while I google that ;D ;D ;D
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Google came up with this
https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Giters+Nadogs+just+dick+lettuce+&oq=Giters+Nadogs+just+dick+lettuce+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.3...4843.4843.0.6488.1.1.0.0.0.0.291.291.2-1.1.0...0.0.yQZwMCNCdLQ&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=a8e41b1d38a5797&biw=1152&bih=654
Now that is scary :o ;D ;D
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wow that was freaky great song though :o :o ;D ;D
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personnally the capitols dont bother me(they really nark master tunnie)as he likes to constantly tell people,text speak doesnt bother me as it does some others it is how people communicate now
1) Capitols is a web standard, not just this forum, I'm just one of many who remind members.
2) Text speak is not how people communicate now, I never see it at work or with my mates. Its for retard chavs who think its "cool". Many people don't understand it, its a good thats its against the rules. You no longer have to squeeze a message into a 160 character limit for a SMS, this is a forum with a 6000 character limit per post, you have a keyboard, use it ;)
the unofficial admin speaks again,thats a strong statement to declare that...text speak is NOT how people communicate now..im afraid it is old bean just that the masses on here are of an older generation and thats not an offence its fact,how many of you have kids and there thumbs work like lightening on the phone buttons.it sometimes seems that as soon as a newbie arrives and speaks in text or capitols theyre jumped on and tunnie the way you approach and reply to posts sometimes is arrogant,its not your site...its not your rules and you need to engage brain before mouth sometimes as your that quick to post you have often been wrong and blame it on not reading the original post properly(whats the matter are the words too long to read for you,maybe it should be abbreviated into text ::) ) ;)
LOL :D
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Anyway Jaime, how do you think we can improve the forum :-X :-X :-X ;D
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with regards to the gramer spelling and text talk.some people like my self have difficulty spelling and putting a letter together,weather its to do with a disability or as in my case a very bad education (not going to school ) lol
but as a few of you know i hold a responsable job not an educated one but each day can have over a 1000 lives in my hands !!!!!
but because im not good at spelling dose it make me a bad person ............i think not.
re the guide section could a link not be put in the page header with it being lit by the migys head lights ????
but lets all be friends and get on let bygons be bygons make love not war ect ect
Of course not trainmanone :y
*BUT*, from your previous posts, it seems you put effort in to make yourself understood. Some don't. Whether its learning difficulties of some description (including bunking off all lessons ;D), or laziness, if people don't make an effort to make things readable/understandable, I rarely make the effort to read it ;). Life is short, and my priorities are not to spend ages trying to understand an unreadable post.
From a technical viewpoint, text speak, and to a lesser extent, very poor grammar, crucifies our internet rankings and search demographics, which I've spent the last 6 years working stupidly hard to hone...
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Anyway Jaime, how do you think we can improve the forum :-X :-X :-X ;D
I think some improvements have already happened after some of the things I have read in this thread - well maneuvered TB
Just to add my 2p worth.
After having been on here for a year(ish) it appears to me that the forum has evolved to it's current status due to the demands made on it and the (well) implemented solutions. It occurs to me that it will continue to evolve when good suggestions are made and implemented.
There is nothing basically wrong with the forum and by all accounts the best one to be found. All credit to it's founders, developers , management and members. There is, in my mind, only one problem with anything of this ilk and that probably includes places like Facebook, twitter etc etc.
People ::)
And this can never be resolved
2 penny worth spent
Phil
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Anyway Jaime, how do you think we can improve the forum :-X :-X :-X ;D
A valid question, but I don't think we have got to the bottom of problems in this thread. I suspect some people are purposely avoiding posting on the thread, or are beating around the bush.
Striping out the banter, I see percieved problems being:
Members being snappy (to use H21's word, I like that!) to Newbies who make mistakes.
There is still some anger/frustration over the JB/LJ/DLK incident, going beyond those directly involved.
People see the Admin Team made a balls-up of said incident.
The age-old Cliquey problem.
I'll add a cuple extra in that I perceive:
There are a couple of factions within the OOF community that seem to be hellbent on bickering with each other, and spreading rumours about the others to neutral members.
Some people thinking that those I class as 'close friends' somehow get an easier ride here, and that these people are (to quote a post above) 'unofficial admins'.
Have I missed anything?
I'll reiterate again, this thread will be unmoderated, except for legal requirements, so feel free to stay what you like in general terms. Clearly I don't expect to see posts such as all Irishmen are blue led loving homos or anything ridiculous like that. But this is your chance to get things off your chest.
My PM box is empty(ish), if you would rather PM me. Please state if you wish to remain anonymous if I decide your point should be discussed publically or within the Admin Team. You have my word your wishes will be respected from that side of things.
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Oh that, yes i don't think we'll get to the end of that one TB. Jealousy is a funny thing. ;)
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Oh that, yes i don't think we'll get to the end of that one TB. Jealousy is a funny thing. ;)
Elaborate then Chris, don`t be shy ::)
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Oh that, yes i don't think we'll get to the end of that one TB. Jealousy is a funny thing. ;)
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Can't really. It's never been discussed in public, and therefor difficult to prove or be accused of pointing the finger. There no issue here tbh. So if they have an issue they need to pipe up or let it lie.
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Can't really. It's never been discussed in public, and therefor difficult to prove or be accused of pointing the finger. There no issue here tbh. So if they have an issue they need to pipe up or let it lie.
Obviously is otherwise you wouldn`t have mentioned it ???
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Oh that, yes i don't think we'll get to the end of that one TB. Jealousy is a funny thing. ;)
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2nd that
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Text speak and capitals might make it easier for one person to type in a post but it makes it much less easy for the 11879 who might potentially try to read it IMHO.
Unless you're posting a simple response to a question surely it makes sense to take a little time to make your posts comfortable and enjoyable for others to read?
I must admit, I tend to find myself subconsciously putting as much effort into answering posts as the originator has in creating it in the first place, and often don't bother if it means wading through text speak. A few spelling mistakes and grammatical errors is not an issue, just not being bothered to lift your fingers and press enough keys is, IMHO.
Having said that, text speak is not what's wrong with the forum. New users getting slated for it and other minor transgressions where they could be politely asked to avoid it is, IMHO. They may be used to the majority of other forums that appear to welcome it with open arms. ::)
In fact, there's a lot of slating going on, in general, where respectful disagreement and presentation of counter arguments would make for a more pleasant atmosphere, IMHO.
A lot of this comes down to the greater proportion of members who haven't met face to face, IMHO. Before you've met someone, you're dealing with letters on the screen. The opinions they represent might annoy or even offend you, and you respond with both barrels accordingly. Now, say that disagreement is with someone you propped up the barbecue with over a few pints at one of the meets. You know they're a really nice bloke, you just hold contrary views on a particular subject.. It changes things somewhat.
After the first couple of meets I attended when I joined 5 years back I'd probably met 80% of the regular posters on here. That core of people set the tone for all interactions on the forum to an extent. Nowadays, those who have met have apparently become a "clique" rather than the majority, and it's a problem. Maybe that's just a consequence of having grown in numbers, or maybe there's something that could be done to rectify it? :-\
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Can't really. It's never been discussed in public, and therefor difficult to prove or be accused of pointing the finger. There no issue here tbh. So if they have an issue they need to pipe up or let it lie.
I've not got a clue about this bit so i'll keep my nose out and go crack open a beer :y
Cheers lads :-*
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I think we should just have done with this Jimbob/LJay/Loo-Knee thing, hindsight is a great thing but I think the admins did a good job under the circumstances, and they've explained their reasoning more than a few times. I doubt whether any of us would have taken any better decisions. Let's draw a line under it, we're all grown ups here and most of us knows what everybody's opinion on it is, so why harp on about it any more? And who's never made a bad decision anyway?
Part of the reason why this is still a great forum is due to the decisions that the admins make, whether that's banning text speak, bad language or whatever. I think it's a great team - just check out any other forum for any length of time to see what I mean
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OK, I got to about page 6 in this thread before I gave up so here's my view.
I've been coming to this forum for just over a year or so when I got my Omega. And I think that "forum" is the word that needs to be emphasised. I didn't join a club, with all of the rules and politics that that implies. I come here to read the discussions that are an intrinsic element of a forum - which is a place where opinions are sought and offered. If I don't like a topic I don't read it. I'll often skip topics that don't have a subject that interests me, and I'll often abandon topics that I think have become boring. But I won't complain about any of them. Nobody is here to entertain or inform me, but I have gleaned some very useful information along the way.
I attend other forums, mainly motorcycling, but I only regularly return to the ones that interest me. This is definitely one of the best. Sure, there's a clique (there always is) but it doesn't bother me because I get out of the forum what I want to get out of it. I haven't come here to make friends (or enemies) but it's quite reasonable that some do and it's only to be expected that they will exchange friendly banter on their own terms.
So, don't change, keep going and just accept that people are different with different wants and needs.
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Can't really. It's never been discussed in public, and therefor difficult to prove or be accused of pointing the finger. There no issue here tbh. So if they have an issue they need to pipe up or let it lie.
Obviously is otherwise you wouldn`t have mentioned it ???
honestly, I don't have an issue. I'll take people as I find them. Or try to. The rest is out of my hands afaict.
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Oh that, yes i don't think we'll get to the end of that one TB. Jealousy is a funny thing. ;)
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2nd that
We all know TB has been chasing me for years. ;D
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Oh that, yes i don't think we'll get to the end of that one TB. Jealousy is a funny thing. ;)
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2nd that
We all know TB has been chasing me for years. ;D
So thats what goes on at these meets then :-X :-X :-X :-X
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Oh that, yes i don't think we'll get to the end of that one TB. Jealousy is a funny thing. ;)
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2nd that
We all know TB has been chasing me for years. ;D
So thats what goes on at these meets then :-X :-X :-X :-X
Oh, did you think this was a car forum? ;)
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Oh that, yes i don't think we'll get to the end of that one TB. Jealousy is a funny thing. ;)
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2nd that
We all know TB has been chasing me for years. ;D
So thats what goes on at these meets then :-X :-X :-X :-X
Oh, did you think this was a car forum? ;)
ive heard about all the stains left on the grass after these meets....and you all still sticking to the engine oil hmmmmm
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Oh that, yes i don't think we'll get to the end of that one TB. Jealousy is a funny thing. ;)
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2nd that
We all know TB has been chasing me for years. ;D
So thats what goes on at these meets then :-X :-X :-X :-X
Oh, did you think this was a car forum? ;)
ive heard about all the stains left on the grass after these meets....and you all still sticking to the engine oil hmmmmm
Don't worry tg, it took me years to find out too. ...the hard way. :'(
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Oh that, yes i don't think we'll get to the end of that one TB. Jealousy is a funny thing. ;)
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2nd that
We all know TB has been chasing me for years. ;D
So thats what goes on at these meets then :-X :-X :-X :-X
Oh, did you think this was a car forum? ;)
oops, sorry my mistake :-[ :-[ :-[ ;D
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No real issues from me, had a couple of sarcastic comments in the early days when asking about problems but had far more patient, considerate and constructive replies from members over time to completely outweigh those. As repeatedly said this is the best forum on the
Personally couldn't give a crap about cliques etc and if a perceived clique in cyberspace bothers you then you need to go outside have a serious word with yourself.
JB/LJ/DLK should have faced each other with an oily mackrell and gave each other a good thrashing with them at the time then all this would have blown over months ago.
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OK, I got to about page 6 in this thread before I gave up so here's my view.
I've been coming to this forum for just over a year or so when I got my Omega. And I think that "forum" is the word that needs to be emphasised. I didn't join a club, with all of the rules and politics that that implies. I come here to read the discussions that are an intrinsic element of a forum - which is a place where opinions are sought and offered. If I don't like a topic I don't read it. I'll often skip topics that don't have a subject that interests me, and I'll often abandon topics that I think have become boring. But I won't complain about any of them. Nobody is here to entertain or inform me, but I have gleaned some very useful information along the way.
I attend other forums, mainly motorcycling, but I only regularly return to the ones that interest me. This is definitely one of the best. Sure, there's a clique (there always is) but it doesn't bother me because I get out of the forum what I want to get out of it. I haven't come here to make friends (or enemies) but it's quite reasonable that some do and it's only to be expected that they will exchange friendly banter on their own terms.
So, don't change, keep going and just accept that people are different with different wants and needs.
I agree with this post in so many ways. Thanks.... :y
Perhaps one of my problems with OOF, if it can be called that, is as an admin. I personally feel that it is my role requirement to read all posts, even if its a load of utter codswallop that interests me not a jot in order to ensure that the thread is conforming with posted guidelines. Indeed, it could easily be a subject that gets the proverbial itchy hair up my harris such that I end up getting a tad miffed about the thread subject matter and pitching in where I perhaps otherwise would not have. And that probably causes subsequent problems due to my previous employment as a plod. I simply do not suffer fools gladly and sometimes, that shows through on OOF. Sorry.... :-[
That would explain why I can oft times be quite hesitant at posting on a thread just in case my comments appear heavy handed or outspoken. :-[ :'(
But thats what a forum is about. Free speech and, as TB has indicated, thats what this thread is completely about. If it causes your arse to itch, scratch it here on this thread. Perhaps we can come up with an OOF cream to solve your probs...... ;) ;D
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No real issues from me, had a couple of sarcastic comments in the early days when asking about problems but had far more patient, considerate and constructive replies from members over time to completely outweigh those. As repeatedly said this is the best forum on the
Personally couldn't give a crap about cliques etc and if a perceived clique in cyberspace bothers you then you need to go outside have a serious word with yourself.
JB/LJ/DLK should have faced each other with an oily mackrell and gave each other a good thrashing with them at the time then all this would have blown over months ago.
Nah, semi naked mud wrestling with added whipped cream and celery sticks would have been better ;D ;D ;D
Oh my god, i'm such a perve :D :D
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Perhaps one of my problems with OOF, if it can be called that, is as an admin.
That just gave me an idea
Why are individuals singled out as admins/mods/etc. Would generic usernames that do not indicate the actual person allow for a more anonymous management of the forum and allow the individuals to post/respond etc without the mantle of their position holding them back or "frightening" :o other members
Phil
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heres my quids worth
firstly this subject/post has imo brought more of the OOF back that i loved...people having a laugh some good banter.
the ljay/daz situation upset me only in respect of the comments made about Ljay who was after all a contributing and active memeber of this Forum there was no need for that in fact i thought it was bloody disgracefull. Admin had a difficult job
other comments as people have said on this post keyboard warriors not seen so much of that but there does seem to have been a lot of basically rude comments to what people say to the point where i just dont feel the urge to post a comment just to probably get shot down in flames. I know very little about cars so it is nice to comment on things i do know about.having been within fitting out and building for overe 30 years, running projects up to £20million, my own small company and now a local knob the builder so i can spend time with my lovely wifey so i know a thing or two. but sometimes you post a reply and immediatley people seem to be out to proove you wrong so i give up in the end and let them crack on
Dont get me wrong there are a lot of very clever people on this site that absolutley amaze me what they know about cars but they are not always right about other subjects
So most of my time is having some good banter but thats been strained it all seems so serious.this is the first post i have actually seen some good old fasioned banter i am very happy to say.
The spirit of OOF is still there you only have to post something and help is always available. the technical guides and help very obviously too some time and are well appreciated
Admin think they have a hell of a job and deserve respect for what they do and for keeping the site going its not some high paid job is it
Newbies agree with the comments that some times when silly questions are asked people can be rude. It is also difficult to enter a chat taking the plunge i know it took me a while but then i was lucky my first contact was with Bob.dent
Sometimes TB i think you can try too hard to please everyone, it will never happen so many strong charachters on here that have been around for years and if they feell ike i do after being here a year then why would you want to
and that is proud to be a member of the OOF comunity
i can see now OOF needed me ::) ::) so i will be on more often ;D ;D ;D
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Text speak and capitals might make it easier for one person to type in a post but it makes it much less easy for the 11879 who might potentially try to read it IMHO.
Unless you're posting a simple response to a question surely it makes sense to take a little time to make your posts comfortable and enjoyable for others to read?
I must admit, I tend to find myself subconsciously putting as much effort into answering posts as the originator has in creating it in the first place, and often don't bother if it means wading through text speak. A few spelling mistakes and grammatical errors is not an issue, just not being bothered to lift your fingers and press enough keys is, IMHO.
Having said that, text speak is not what's wrong with the forum. New users getting slated for it and other minor transgressions where they could be politely asked to avoid it is, IMHO. They may be used to the majority of other forums that appear to welcome it with open arms. ::)
In fact, there's a lot of slating going on, in general, where respectful disagreement and presentation of counter arguments would make for a more pleasant atmosphere, IMHO.
A lot of this comes down to the greater proportion of members who haven't met face to face, IMHO. Before you've met someone, you're dealing with letters on the screen. The opinions they represent might annoy or even offend you, and you respond with both barrels accordingly. Now, say that disagreement is with someone you propped up the barbecue with over a few pints at one of the meets. You know they're a really nice bloke, you just hold contrary views on a particular subject.. It changes things somewhat.
After the first couple of meets I attended when I joined 5 years back I'd probably met 80% of the regular posters on here. That core of people set the tone for all interactions on the forum to an extent. Nowadays, those who have met have apparently become a "clique" rather than the majority, and it's a problem. Maybe that's just a consequence of having grown in numbers, or maybe there's something that could be done to rectify it? :-\
isnt this the same as text speak not useing all the keys lol i know its a reconised abreviation but pot kettle lol
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Perhaps one of my problems with OOF, if it can be called that, is as an admin.
That just gave me an idea
Why are individuals singled out as admins/mods/etc. Would generic usernames that do not indicate the actual person allow for a more anonymous management of the forum and allow the individuals to post/respond etc without the mantle of their position holding them back or "frightening" :o other members
Phil
I am involved in other internet forums where such a concept is used.
Truth be told, it works only for as long as the secret holds. Once the genie is out the bottle as regards who the real BiggusDikkus is then it really matters not a jot........
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you know them company schemes where they organise trips or gatherings and you pay a certain amount and they subsidise the rest,well i think we should contribute 10p per week and then once a year we should all get together for the MEGA MEET MEEt MEet Meet meet(ive tried to do that in a megaphone echo)and jaime stumps up the rest cos he does sod all else and we all get pished and eat chilli and garlic bread and have lap dancers and belly dancers and other stuffs :D
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you know them company schemes where they organise trips or gatherings and you pay a certain amount and they subsidise the rest,well i think we should contribute 10p per week and then once a year we should all get together for the MEGA MEET MEEt MEet Meet meet(ive tried to do that in a megaphone echo)and jaime stumps up the rest cos he does sod all else and we all get pished and eat chilli and garlic bread and have lap dancers and belly dancers and other stuffs :D
Didn't you get your private members card and invitation for this summers doo then???? :-\ :-\ 8)
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you know them company schemes where they organise trips or gatherings and you pay a certain amount and they subsidise the rest,well i think we should contribute 10p per week and then once a year we should all get together for the MEGA MEET MEEt MEet Meet meet(ive tried to do that in a megaphone echo)and jaime stumps up the rest cos he does sod all else and we all get pished and eat chilli and garlic bread and have lap dancers and belly dancers and other stuffs :D
Can I request that this man be given admin status with immediate affect please ;D :y
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isnt this the same as text speak not useing all the keys lol i know its a reconised abreviation but pot kettle lol
I line had to be drawn somewhere, and we drew it along the lines of 'well known abbreviations'. Obviously its ludicrous to suggest banning all abbreviations, like don't, won't, can't etc.
Fortunately, text speak does seem to be reducing in general written use, possibly for the reasons that tunnie suggests, possibly because those that grew up with it have grown up enough to know if they were daft enough to use it at work, they'd be out on their ear. Obviously, it still seems to be prevailent on IM and BBM.
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you know them company schemes where they organise trips or gatherings and you pay a certain amount and they subsidise the rest,well i think we should contribute 10p per week and then once a year we should all get together for the MEGA MEET MEEt MEet Meet meet(ive tried to do that in a megaphone echo)and jaime stumps up the rest cos he does sod all else and we all get pished and eat chilli and garlic bread and have lap dancers and belly dancers and other stuffs :D
Didn't you get your private members card and invitation for this summers doo then???? :-\ :-\ 8)
ive tried to make it out like this new so to not upset people and you had to go and blow it,i was busy this year and from what i hear you sobbed like a bairn cos i didnt turn up,i had a better offer from the rover 45 forum(they had pass the parcel)
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Personally I think the forum has not been as much fun as it used to be well before the Daz/Ljay incident. I said to TB a while back that I think the helpful spirit of the forum changed when people like myself started charging for work to be done on Omegas which has all but put an end to cambelt parties. The cambelt parties were a great place for people to put names to faces which would then encourage more people to the Lakes and Newent, it also helps when your having a bit of banter on the forum because you know the person you are having the banter with so they are less likely to take offence.
I know I might be cutting my own throat here because since loosing my job the Omega money is my only income but its what I think has changed the forum :-\
So Its Petes fault
glads thats sorted..stone him then ban him and stone him some more.
personally i think the service Pete, james and Daz and others offer is one of the attractions of the forum Daz has saved me an absolute fortune and in honesty if it was not form him the cost of repairing my car would have been uneconmical
if you should choose to do it for free at meets and i know you do its your choice but imho the money you save members and what you do for it you should get a pat on the back and back side for Daz :y
But thats my point. The cambelt meets were done for free with everyone helping each other over a weekend then it was off for a meal and a few too many beers. At Timbuks there were 30 to 40 Omegas which I know wont happen again because of the venue size, but as AA says it was a brilliant laugh, most if not everyone got there car sorted, people made cakes and bacon butties through the day and everyone had a great laugh. The spirit of OOF :y
I have always, always maintained that whilst I generally will charge a (very reasonable) rate to travel usually quite a long way and do a cambelt, if a cambelt party is held, I will offer my services totally free of charge, to anyone attending that meet.
There have also been lots of examples where I've been one of the members who have got people out of trouble and not charged anything for it - recent examples I can think of within the last month alone are claires cambelt and oil leak, sorting eatmydust's persistent coolant problem, BlackViper's LPG faults, and fixing SMD's cambelt FOC after an ex member breaked it up..
I know Daz for one has helped people in trouble in similar circumstances (Kate rings a bell)
So I don't think it's right to say that because some of us charge for our mobile works, we are lowering the spirit of OOF :y
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you know them company schemes where they organise trips or gatherings and you pay a certain amount and they subsidise the rest,well i think we should contribute 10p per week and then once a year we should all get together for the MEGA MEET MEEt MEet Meet meet(ive tried to do that in a megaphone echo)and jaime stumps up the rest cos he does sod all else and we all get pished and eat chilli and garlic bread and have lap dancers and belly dancers and other stuffs :D
Can I request that this man be given admin status with immediate affect please ;D :y
What, so he can pay for the dancers :P
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Perhaps one of my problems with OOF, if it can be called that, is as an admin.
That just gave me an idea
Why are individuals singled out as admins/mods/etc. Would generic usernames that do not indicate the actual person allow for a more anonymous management of the forum and allow the individuals to post/respond etc without the mantle of their position holding them back or "frightening" :o other members
Phil
I am involved in other internet forums where such a concept is used.
Truth be told, it works only for as long as the secret holds. Once the genie is out the bottle as regards who the real BiggusDikkus is then it really matters not a jot........
I know what you mean, having been in senior IT management in a previous life. Don't absolutely agree but that's what it's all about. Being the one always suspected of doing the "dirty deed" when required was often overcome with a little miss-direction and out and out lies. Anyway thought I'd put it out there
We need to weelees wodger and then he can get the blame ;)
Phil
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you know them company schemes where they organise trips or gatherings and you pay a certain amount and they subsidise the rest,well i think we should contribute 10p per week and then once a year we should all get together for the MEGA MEET MEEt MEet Meet meet(ive tried to do that in a megaphone echo)and jaime stumps up the rest cos he does sod all else and we all get pished and eat chilli and garlic bread and have lap dancers and belly dancers and other stuffs :D
Can I request that this man be given admin status with immediate affect please ;D :y
What, so he can pay for the dancers :P
vote hercules for admin and i will only charge 9p per week,H21 will subsidise the rest ;D
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you know them company schemes where they organise trips or gatherings and you pay a certain amount and they subsidise the rest,well i think we should contribute 10p per week and then once a year we should all get together for the MEGA MEET MEEt MEet Meet meet(ive tried to do that in a megaphone echo)and jaime stumps up the rest cos he does sod all else and we all get pished and eat chilli and garlic bread and have lap dancers and belly dancers and other stuffs :D
Can I request that this man be given admin status with immediate affect please ;D :y
What, so he can pay for the dancers :P
Stop bodyswerving and passing the blame.
You know its your shout...... :P
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LOL, I know I said PM me, but I wasn't quite expecting that many ;D
I will acknowledge every single one, it might just take me a while ;D
But it seems some are happier to say things by PM, thats absolutely fine :y
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only trying to ad a bit of humour TB :y :y
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you know them company schemes where they organise trips or gatherings and you pay a certain amount and they subsidise the rest,well i think we should contribute 10p per week and then once a year we should all get together for the MEGA MEET MEEt MEet Meet meet(ive tried to do that in a megaphone echo)and jaime stumps up the rest cos he does sod all else and we all get pished and eat chilli and garlic bread and have lap dancers and belly dancers and other stuffs :D
Can I request that this man be given admin status with immediate affect please ;D :y
What, so he can pay for the dancers :P
Stop bodyswerving and passing the blame.
You know its your shout...... :P
Which reminds me, I still haven't paid that £300 fee to one of our suppliers. Opps. We'll probably be selling watches again soon :P
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This is a long thread isnt it......
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This is a long thread isnt it......
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired ;D
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My honest opinion:
Why is the scenario of DLK, JB, LJ being brought up again? It got a tad unsavoury, but now it's done and dusted. And now we're talking about text speak and capitols. I haven't seen anyone using text speak and the odd person WHO SHOUTS USING CAPITOLS gets politely told to stop.
My opinion is that we're talking about problems that don't exist and covering old ground.
As for newbies.. maybe they need to be treated with a bit more respect. but then they must respect the ''elders'' too. you see folks with 3 posts... ''URGENT HELP NEEDED NOW''.... as if the good folk on here are sitting with a cuppa waiting to answer their questions. but hey what can you do about that? not much other than a gentle reminder for EVERYONE to be a bit more polite/tolerant etc
As for my own personal use of the forum.... i've been guilty in the past of just throwing a thread up asking for help when i could have looked myself on the maintenance guides. my bad but then i realised i was being lazy and now i spend a lot of time in the MG Section. i know i post a lot of questions myself (Fek Orf Rob ;D) but it's only for clarification cos, when all's said and done i can be moderately to extremely retarded at times. and after all the car chat section is where we can chat about cars, right? ;)
if you dont like my posts, dont read them. if i dont like yours, i wont read them. Simplez :)
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Well I was going to ask webby a question, but I know he wont read it now :'( ;D ;)
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Well I was going to ask webby a question, but I know he wont read it now :'( ;D ;)
Dont PM him he's only got a little one ;D ;D http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103267.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103267.0)
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Well I was going to ask webby a question, but I know he wont read it now :'( ;D ;)
Ask away phil... if it's car related i can't help but if it's cards, booze or women just PM me ;D ;D :y :y :y
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You sell yourself too short Webby matey, it won't be too long before you're the most knowledgeable Omega Guru here! :y
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You sell yourself too short Webby matey, it won't be too long before you're the most knowledgeable Omega Guru here! :y
lol cheers mate..... but its really down to how many links rob can store on his hardrive ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Like I have said in an earler post "Let bygons be bygones" lets get back to what the forum is about ....Enjoyment ...... be it about Omegas or what was on tv last night to helping newbies to find the maintance guides to booking the lap dancewrs for the lakes meet,it all about fun :y :y :y
think i have said enough bu%% so will now creep back under my stone in the north west lol :y
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Personally I think the forum has not been as much fun as it used to be well before the Daz/Ljay incident. I said to TB a while back that I think the helpful spirit of the forum changed when people like myself started charging for work to be done on Omegas which has all but put an end to cambelt parties. The cambelt parties were a great place for people to put names to faces which would then encourage more people to the Lakes and Newent, it also helps when your having a bit of banter on the forum because you know the person you are having the banter with so they are less likely to take offence.
I know I might be cutting my own throat here because since loosing my job the Omega money is my only income but its what I think has changed the forum :-\
So Its Petes fault
glads thats sorted..stone him then ban him and stone him some more.
personally i think the service Pete, james and Daz and others offer is one of the attractions of the forum Daz has saved me an absolute fortune and in honesty if it was not form him the cost of repairing my car would have been uneconmical
if you should choose to do it for free at meets and i know you do its your choice but imho the money you save members and what you do for it you should get a pat on the back and back side for Daz :y
But thats my point. The cambelt meets were done for free with everyone helping each other over a weekend then it was off for a meal and a few too many beers. At Timbuks there were 30 to 40 Omegas which I know wont happen again because of the venue size, but as AA says it was a brilliant laugh, most if not everyone got there car sorted, people made cakes and bacon butties through the day and everyone had a great laugh. The spirit of OOF :y
I have always, always maintained that whilst I generally will charge a (very reasonable) rate to travel usually quite a long way and do a cambelt, if a cambelt party is held, I will offer my services totally free of charge, to anyone attending that meet.
There have also been lots of examples where I've been one of the members who have got people out of trouble and not charged anything for it - recent examples I can think of within the last month alone are claires cambelt and oil leak, sorting eatmydust's persistent coolant problem, BlackViper's LPG faults, and fixing SMD's cambelt FOC after an ex member breaked it up..
I know Daz for one has helped people in trouble in similar circumstances (Kate rings a bell)
So I don't think it's right to say that because some of us charge for our mobile works, we are lowering the spirit of OOF :y
james every now and then we all do our knight in shining armour bit but nobody can work for free when the receiving party is saving a fortune,if you oof mechanics did so you would be busy fools
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Like I have said in an earler post "Let bygons be bygones" lets get back to what the forum is about ....Enjoyment ...... be it about Omegas or what was on tv last night to helping newbies to find the maintance guides to booking the lap dancewrs for the lakes meet,it all about fun :y :y :y
think i have said enough bu%% so will now creep back under my stone in the north west lol :y
and stay there with spelling like that,did you mean bullshit ;D
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Well I was going to ask webby a question, but I know he wont read it now :'( ;D ;)
Ask away phil... if it's car related i can't help but if it's cards, booze or women just PM me ;D ;D :y :y :y
Webby! My bird's got different sized tits!! What should I do?? ???
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Well I was going to ask webby a question, but I know he wont read it now :'( ;D ;)
Ask away phil... if it's car related i can't help but if it's cards, booze or women just PM me ;D ;D :y :y :y
Webby! My bird's got different sized tits!! What should I do?? ???
Ask Webby says:
Make her wear the bigger ones.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well I was going to ask webby a question, but I know he wont read it now :'( ;D ;)
Ask away phil... if it's car related i can't help but if it's cards, booze or women just PM me ;D ;D :y :y :y
Webby! My bird's got different sized tits!! What should I do?? ???
Ask Webby says:
Make her wear the bigger ones.
i treat our lass to a boob job last week,maybe next year i can afford to have the other one done :D
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Well I was going to ask webby a question, but I know he wont read it now :'( ;D ;)
Ask away phil... if it's car related i can't help but if it's cards, booze or women just PM me ;D ;D :y :y :y
Webby! My bird's got different sized tits!! What should I do?? ???
I don't believe you.
Take some pictures and put them on here so we all can decide :y ;D ;D
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Well I was going to ask webby a question, but I know he wont read it now :'( ;D ;)
Ask away phil... if it's car related i can't help but if it's cards, booze or women just PM me ;D ;D :y :y :y
Webby! My bird's got different sized tits!! What should I do?? ???
Ask Webby says:
Make her wear the bigger ones.
;D ;D ;D Bloody Quality! ;D ;D ;D
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Like I have said in an earler post "Let bygons be bygones" lets get back to what the forum is about
Indeed, elsewhere on the site, lets try to do that.
But clearly there are a few annoyances that are severely pissing people off - I prefer H21's descriptive itchy arse hair - so this thread allows us (all) to understand those things, and see if there is anything we (Admin/all) can do to resolve it.
In my opinion, if we simply ignore these annoyances, the situation gets worse, and views become more entrenched. By allowing people to honestly say what their beefs are on a thread that won't get moderated, it gives us (Admins and members) chance to understand these viewpoints, and allows us (Admins) to explain why certain things are as they are (it seems some people are frustrated by some of our expected behaviours, possibly as they haven't seen/understood the reason for it).
I hope that explains :)
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I have a confession, while we're here. :-[
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I have a confession, while we're here. :-[
go on then chris im all ears
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Like I have said in an earler post "Let bygons be bygones" lets get back to what the forum is about
Indeed, elsewhere on the site, lets try to do that.
But clearly there are a few annoyances that are severely pissing people off - I prefer H21's descriptive itchy arse hair - so this thread allows us (all) to understand those things, and see if there is anything we (Admin/all) can do to resolve it.
In my opinion, if we simply ignore these annoyances, the situation gets worse, and views become more entrenched. By allowing people to honestly say what their beefs are on a thread that won't get moderated, it gives us (Admins and members) chance to understand these viewpoints, and allows us (Admins) to explain why certain things are as they are (it seems some people are frustrated by some of our expected behaviours, possibly as they haven't seen/understood the reason for it).
I hope that explains :)
i dont think you can put it any clearer ole bean,if peeps have a problem speak up and be honest and put forward your ideas
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I have a confession, while we're here. :-[
go on then chris im all ears
I might of over done it... :-[
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I have a confession, while we're here. :-[
go on then chris im all ears
I might of over done it... :-[
at Aarons currey house... :-[
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right im going to bed so im going to close this board til tomorrow,night losers
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I have a confession, while we're here. :-[
go on then chris im all earsAndrew Marr.
Fixed.
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welcome back Albs where you been lover :-* :-* missed you
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This is a long thread isnt it......
Is it bigger than the bus thread though?............... :D :D :D
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This is a long thread isnt it......
Is it bigger than the bus thread though?............... :D :D :D
Just like the BR of old...
Getting there, its getting there..... ;D
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I havn't owned an Omega for a few years now but still look on the forum to see what's happening. I might not say much but it's still good enough for me to keep it on my favourites. :y
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This is a long thread isnt it......
Is it bigger than the bus thread though?............... :D :D :D
oh christ watch that one make another appearence now :-X
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welcome back Albs where you been lover :-* :-* missed you
At the hospital from 2am until 8pm tonight with wife who was far from well last night.Called ambulance at 1105pm,paramedic car arrived at 12.50am, proper ambulance arrived at 1.40am - Im tired,emtional and very rather angry at the moment.
Off to bed for a few hours kip now,before going back to hospital to see doctors in the morning.
Was supposed to be helping Twiglet all day tomorrow and have had to let him down at the last minute.Being the gent he is hes been very understanding,but I still feel shite about having to bail,even though its beyond my control.
Right - got that off my chest,off to bed.Night all. :y
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I have a confession, while we're here. :-[
go on then chris im all ears
I might of over done it... :-[
at Aarons currey house... :-[
might have enjoyed it too much ... :-[
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welcome back Albs where you been lover :-* :-* missed you
At the hospital from 2am until 8pm tonight with wife who was far from well last night.Called ambulance at 1105pm,paramedic car arrived at 12.50am, proper ambulance arrived at 1.40am - Im tired,emtional and very rather angry at the moment.
Off to bed for a few hours kip now,before going back to hospital to see doctors in the morning.
Was supposed to be helping Twiglet all day tomorrow and have had to let him down at the last minute.Being the gent he is hes been very understanding,but I still feel shite about having to bail,even though its beyond my control.
Right - got that off my chest,off to bed.Night all. :y
Very sorry to hear that Albs, and hope its not as serious as it sounds. :(
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welcome back Albs where you been lover :-* :-* missed you
At the hospital from 2am until 8pm tonight with wife who was far from well last night.Called ambulance at 1105pm,paramedic car arrived at 12.50am, proper ambulance arrived at 1.40am - Im tired,emtional and very rather angry at the moment.
Off to bed for a few hours kip now,before going back to hospital to see doctors in the morning.
Was supposed to be helping Twiglet all day tomorrow and have had to let him down at the last minute.Being the gent he is hes been very understanding,but I still feel shite about having to bail,even though its beyond my control.
Right - got that off my chest,off to bed.Night all. :y
That's not good news Albs and I too am very sorry to hear that. Wish Mrs Albs a speedy recovery from me :y
Anything I can do to help?
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welcome back Albs where you been lover :-* :-* missed you
At the hospital from 2am until 8pm tonight with wife who was far from well last night.Called ambulance at 1105pm,paramedic car arrived at 12.50am, proper ambulance arrived at 1.40am - Im tired,emtional and very rather angry at the moment.
Off to bed for a few hours kip now,before going back to hospital to see doctors in the morning.
Was supposed to be helping Twiglet all day tomorrow and have had to let him down at the last minute.Being the gent he is hes been very understanding,but I still feel shite about having to bail,even though its beyond my control.
Right - got that off my chest,off to bed.Night all. :y
blimey matey very sorry to hear that hope mrs Albs is ok, please keep us informed i know i am miles away but if you need anything or just a chat call me.
best whishes me Wifey and doggy
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welcome back Albs where you been lover :-* :-* missed you
At the hospital from 2am until 8pm tonight with wife who was far from well last night.Called ambulance at 1105pm,paramedic car arrived at 12.50am, proper ambulance arrived at 1.40am - Im tired,emtional and very rather angry at the moment.
Off to bed for a few hours kip now,before going back to hospital to see doctors in the morning.
Was supposed to be helping Twiglet all day tomorrow and have had to let him down at the last minute.Being the gent he is hes been very understanding,but I still feel shite about having to bail,even though its beyond my control.
Right - got that off my chest,off to bed.Night all. :y
Chin up fella.
New sunrise, new day to better.
Hope all goes well. :y
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welcome back Albs where you been lover :-* :-* missed you
At the hospital from 2am until 8pm tonight with wife who was far from well last night.Called ambulance at 1105pm,paramedic car arrived at 12.50am, proper ambulance arrived at 1.40am - Im tired,emtional and very rather angry at the moment.
Off to bed for a few hours kip now,before going back to hospital to see doctors in the morning.
Was supposed to be helping Twiglet all day tomorrow and have had to let him down at the last minute.Being the gent he is hes been very understanding,but I still feel shite about having to bail,even though its beyond my control.
Right - got that off my chest,off to bed.Night all. :y
That is a terrible reaction time, Essex is hardly out of the way....... ::) ::)
Hope the Mrs makes a swift recovery..... :y :y
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Well I was going to ask webby a question, but I know he wont read it now :'( ;D ;)
Ask away phil... if it's car related i can't help but if it's cards, booze or women just PM me ;D ;D :y :y :y
Webby! My bird's got different sized tits!! What should I do?? ???
I don't believe you.
Take some pictures and put them on here so we all can decide :y ;D ;D
I think that might contravene the decency guidelines of the forum! ::) Although TB did say it's an unmoderated thread..... :D
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I have a confession, while we're here. :-[
go on then chris im all ears
I might of over done it... :-[
at Aarons currey house... :-[
might have enjoyed it too much ... :-[
....and been one of those Tossers who drinks more than anyone, eats more than anyone, then devides the bill among everyone. I was oblivious at the time. Until our next meal at home, where we opened the doggy bags to find enough food for two more meals. ;D ;D :-[
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I have a confession, while we're here. :-[
go on then chris im all ears
I might of over done it... :-[
at Aarons currey house... :-[
might have enjoyed it too much ... :-[
....and been one of those Tossers who drinks more than anyone, eats more than anyone, then devides the bill among everyone. I was oblivious at the time. Until our next meal at home, where we opened the doggy bags to find enough food for two more meals. ;D ;D :-[
Don't forget you had my left overs too :-[ ;)
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I have a confession, while we're here. :-[
go on then chris im all ears
I might of over done it... :-[
at Aarons currey house... :-[
might have enjoyed it too much ... :-[
....and been one of those Tossers who drinks more than anyone, eats more than anyone, then devides the bill among everyone. I was oblivious at the time. Until our next meal at home, where we opened the doggy bags to find enough food for two more meals. ;D ;D :-[
Don't forget you had my left overs too :-[ ;)
Even so. Anyway, apologies to this present, I'll just have to make it up next time. ;)
Must say though, the food was excellent. :y
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I have a confession, while we're here. :-[
go on then chris im all ears
I might of over done it... :-[
at Aarons currey house... :-[
might have enjoyed it too much ... :-[
....and been one of those Tossers who drinks more than anyone, eats more than anyone, then devides the bill among everyone. I was oblivious at the time. Until our next meal at home, where we opened the doggy bags to find enough food for two more meals. ;D ;D :-[
Don't forget you had my left overs too :-[ ;)
Even so. Anyway, apologies to this present, I'll just have to make it up next time. ;)
Must say though, the food was excellent. :y
I really wouldn't worry.. ;)
Let's face it, you and Mrs. Gixer normally share a main course, and when I bring Mrs. KW along she always goes over the top. ::)
You do tend to hoover up most of the poppadoms, though. >:(
;)
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I have a confession, while we're here. :-[
go on then chris im all ears
I might of over done it... :-[
at Aarons currey house... :-[
might have enjoyed it too much ... :-[
....and been one of those Tossers who drinks more than anyone, eats more than anyone, then devides the bill among everyone. I was oblivious at the time. Until our next meal at home, where we opened the doggy bags to find enough food for two more meals. ;D ;D :-[
Don't forget you had my left overs too :-[ ;)
Even so. Anyway, apologies to this present, I'll just have to make it up next time. ;)
Must say though, the food was excellent. :y
I really wouldn't worry.. ;)
Let's face it, you and Mrs. Gixer normally share a main course, and when I bring Mrs. KW along she always goes over the top. ::)
You do tend to hoover up most of the poppadoms, though. >:(
;)
My thoughts exactly... It all evens out over time ;) :y
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Fat bastud.
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Fat bastud.
But you'll always be ugly. :P
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OK, I got to about page 6 in this thread before I gave up so here's my view.
I've been coming to this forum for just over a year or so when I got my Omega. And I think that "forum" is the word that needs to be emphasised. I didn't join a club, with all of the rules and politics that that implies. I come here to read the discussions that are an intrinsic element of a forum - which is a place where opinions are sought and offered. If I don't like a topic I don't read it. I'll often skip topics that don't have a subject that interests me, and I'll often abandon topics that I think have become boring. But I won't complain about any of them. Nobody is here to entertain or inform me, but I have gleaned some very useful information along the way.
I attend other forums, mainly motorcycling, but I only regularly return to the ones that interest me. This is definitely one of the best. Sure, there's a clique (there always is) but it doesn't bother me because I get out of the forum what I want to get out of it. I haven't come here to make friends (or enemies) but it's quite reasonable that some do and it's only to be expected that they will exchange friendly banter on their own terms.
So, don't change, keep going and just accept that people are different with different wants and needs.
Dito 2nd that. :y :y
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Sorry to have steered the thread off course. :-[
Thanks to all for the kind words and wishes. :y...................problem was due to a long standing condition which is normally reasonably well controlled with medication.It got completely out of control over the weekend causing pain the like of which Ive never seen - hence the anger at ambulance being 2 hours late.
Wife now much better - hospital morphine stocks depleted - although further tests & investigation need carrying out in the very near future.
Thanks again for the concern and now please feel free to return to talking 'dangle berries'. :y :D
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I'm glad that the lady of the house is feeling better Albs. :y
God bless her, she has a lot to put up with ::)
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Just found out Albs :-[
Give Mrs Albs our Love & Best Wishes :y & here's a tinternet hug for you matey ( :-*) :)
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Thanks for update Albs, good news.
Now, these 'dangle berries'...;D
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Thanks for update Albs, good news.
Now, these 'dangle berries'...;D
Can you see yours fatty? ;D
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Thanks for update Albs, good news.
Now, these 'dangle berries'...;D
Can you see yours fatty? ;D
They are big enough thanks ugly tinker.
Almost a minute to reply, getting old as well. Esta ;D
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I don't do bad on my likkle phone, with my 10X mag reading glasses ;D
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:y :y glad your mrs is feeling better albs :y :y
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Thanks for update Albs, good news.
Now, these 'dangle berries'...;D
Can you see yours fatty? ;D
They are big enough thanks ugly tinker.
Almost a minute to reply, getting old as well. Esta ;D
Haha you lot play rough but it's funny as fkcu ;D
Albs, glad to hear the SWMBO's doing well. hope alls ok budski :-* :-* :-* :y :y :y
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OK, back on topic, anyone else have anything to add, or any ideas for improvement?
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Guide and FAQ index as stickys at the top of gen help please Dad. :)
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Guide and FAQ index as stickys at the top of gen help please Dad. :)
:y
- Or / and highlighting Guides in a "bar" like the news is (but not collapsible), possibly as a fixed thing on all pages.
Possibly do away with the titles, Newbie, Junior etc, (except Admin) but leave the number of posts showing. Don't really see what added value the titles have. Or is there something I am missing?
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Guide and FAQ index as stickys at the top of gen help please Dad. :)
:y
- Or / and highlighting Guides in a "bar" like the news is (but not collapsible), possibly as a fixed thing on all pages.
Possibly do away with the titles, Newbie, Junior etc, (except Admin) but leave the number of posts showing. Don't really see what added value the titles have. Or is there something I am missing?
The general idea of the titles is to give newer members an idea of the experience level of the posters replying, as I understand it.
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My ADHD won't last long enough to catch up on the last 10 or so pages, so if it hasn't already been mentioned - an OOF garage/ product review section? All too often we have posts asking for decent garages and/or tyre fitters around the country...
Or an OOF "good grub" page too? ;)
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Guide and FAQ index as stickys at the top of gen help please Dad. :)
:y
- Or / and highlighting Guides in a "bar" like the news is (but not collapsible), possibly as a fixed thing on all pages.
Possibly do away with the titles, Newbie, Junior etc, (except Admin) but leave the number of posts showing. Don't really see what added value the titles have. Or is there something I am missing?
The general idea of the titles is to give newer members an idea of the experience level of the posters replying, as I understand it.
Thought it might be something like that. Not a bad idea, but of course somebody with 10K posts might have spent all their time in GenDis and know nowt about cars. Titles don't bother me personally, just didn't see the benefit.
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well said member b4ndt....i also am a newbie and love looking and finding out about all there is to an omega...i find members on here very helpful with great knowledge of these cars and other cars...i read all of the other sections on here and try to join in on the comments as this is a community site and is a big family of people from all over the world wanting to join in and enjoy what this stands for,,,,,i appreciate the great time and effort that those who run this forum put into it...My one and only gripe if thats the right word to use ..is that at times certain members appear to stray away from the joking and banter that goes on between them .only to become a little too serious at times....So if we could leave that kind of thing away from this forum i think it will be better for it....i would also like to add that i live in houghton regis..bedfordshire and if at any time i can be of help to any members in any way ..please just ask and if i can i will...So now having gone on a bit i am going back to the forum.. :y
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Guide and FAQ index as stickys at the top of gen help please Dad. :)
:y
- Or / and highlighting Guides in a "bar" like the news is (but not collapsible), possibly as a fixed thing on all pages.
Possibly do away with the titles, Newbie, Junior etc, (except Admin) but leave the number of posts showing. Don't really see what added value the titles have. Or is there something I am missing?
The general idea of the titles is to give newer members an idea of the experience level of the posters replying, as I understand it.
Thought it might be something like that. Not a bad idea, but of course somebody with 10K posts might have spent all their time in GenDis and know nowt about cars. Titles don't bother me personally, just didn't see the benefit.
That is an issue with it, yes. But then those members don't leave gen chat anyway, generally, unless they want something in gen help.
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I have a confession, while we're here. :-[
go on then chris im all ears
I might of over done it... :-[
at Aarons currey house... :-[
might have enjoyed it too much ... :-[
....and been one of those Tossers who drinks more than anyone, eats more than anyone, then devides the bill among everyone. I was oblivious at the time. Until our next meal at home, where we opened the doggy bags to find enough food for two more meals. ;D ;D :-[
;D ;D ;D Didn't even cross my mind at the time! I always split bills equally when out with mates - as has been said, it always evens out over time, anyway ;)
Though I did look up at one point and realise all the poppadoms were gone ;D
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I have a confession, while we're here. :-[
go on then chris im all ears
I might of over done it... :-[
at Aarons currey house... :-[
might have enjoyed it too much ... :-[
....and been one of those Tossers who drinks more than anyone, eats more than anyone, then devides the bill among everyone. I was oblivious at the time. Until our next meal at home, where we opened the doggy bags to find enough food for two more meals. ;D ;D :-[
;D ;D ;D Didn't even cross my mind at the time! I always split bills equally when out with mates - as has been said, it always evens out over time, anyway ;)
Though I did look up at one point and realise all the poppadoms were gone ;D
Right, well if that's not an open invitation....
...when's the next one? :)
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Right, well if that's not an open invitation....
...when's the next one? :)
When I get back from Seattle, we'll sort something out ;) Can always take a jaunt north to the famed Tiffins next time..
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At the risk of upsetting people, and I don't want to do that.....but as a few have mentioned, retaining interest in 26 pages on a thread is flippin' hard.
Lets face it...this thread has gone off on a few tangents.....and I have to be really honest, I do get raggy when a topic is posted and after a couple of replies, its up and away with the fairies ;)
You wanted opinions...you got one ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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At the risk of upsetting people, and I don't want to do that.....but as a few have mentioned, retaining interest in 26 pages on a thread is flippin' hard.
Lets face it...this thread has gone off on a few tangents.....and I have to be really honest, I do get raggy when a topic is posted and after a couple of replies, its up and away with the fairies ;)
You wanted opinions...you got one ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
you are so right!
the big bug bear for me is when a thread is hijacked and goes off course
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Not sure if I'm allowed to speak, please delete if I'm not :(
I joined earlier in year, having used the guides, and mostly liking the nature of it.
It IS daunting for new members, not sure if we can join in. Seems everyone already knows everyone.
I got a bit sick of the arguments, even moderators arguing with each other. It doesn't make it very encouraging to be a part of omegaowners.com
Only logged on as I need instructions again, so I am a bad user really.
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Not sure if I'm allowed to speak, please delete if I'm not :(
I joined earlier in year, having used the guides, and mostly liking the nature of it.
It IS daunting for new members, not sure if we can join in. Seems everyone already knows everyone.
I got a bit sick of the arguments, even moderators arguing with each other. It doesn't make it very encouraging to be a part of omegaowners.com
Only logged on as I need instructions again, so I am a bad user really.
Of course new members can and should join in, that's one of the ways of getting to know people on here. :y As said previously, some of us have been on here a few years and got to know each other at various meets and become very good friends, but we all had to start off as newbies. All said and done, the forum has had a few ups and downs but is still by far one of the best going. Sometimes you just have to ignore some of the shinannigans! ;)
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Thought it might be something like that. Not a bad idea, but of course somebody with 10K posts might have spent all their time in GenDis and know nowt about cars. Titles don't bother me personally, just didn't see the benefit.
Aah yes, being a habitué of this board I don't see that as being a problem - especially given the high standard of moderation on this Forum and the dedication of the long-standing technical contributors to it - furthermore, I don't think there is an historical precedent to give credence to such concerns. :-* :y
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Not sure if I'm allowed to speak, please delete if I'm not :(
I joined earlier in year, having used the guides, and mostly liking the nature of it.
It IS daunting for new members, not sure if we can join in. Seems everyone already knows everyone.
I got a bit sick of the arguments, even moderators arguing with each other. It doesn't make it very encouraging to be a part of omegaowners.com
Only logged on as I need instructions again, so I am a bad user really.
My dear chap....you are not a 'bad user'.....Real World Time must always come first, no rule I am aware of says how much time you devote here....and yes, you are allowed to speak :y.......the original poster wants all comments :y
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I wonder if TheBoy's inbox has melted yet ;D ;D ;D
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I wonder if TheBoy's inbox has melted yet ;D ;D ;D
he's gone quiet. Clearly hasn't run out of insects to fry yet. ;)
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I wonder if TheBoy's inbox has melted yet ;D ;D ;D
he's gone quiet. Clearly hasn't run out of insects to fry yet. ;)
Probably trying to catch up on said inbox :D ;D ;D
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i have to say hats off to the admins who give up their own time to police you lot(im an angel) and specially to mr magic tree who has all the gear in his bedroom and such,surely there is a solution to to the running of the site that can release some of the pressure off said tree shaped air freshener lover and let him get to the bottom of that pesky dishwasher problem and get his bike out for a run.i understand political correctness and racism,sexism,swearing is words available to be filtered but meanings are still there and there is ways round the filter but there must be some way to allow the site to run more freely cos it must be a burden that sometimes hed like to shake off.
i still think more effort should be put into meets so peeps can meet face to face
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i still think more effort should be put into meets so peeps can meet face to face
As regards the present meets, there are quite a few going on over the year.
I have seen some people flog their meets to death, but only get a few turn up. I am lucky at Wycombe, being in a position to be able to offer excellent facilities, and situated south central, but we only had a total of 21 attend.....17 migs (and 4 other vehicles....but at least they were members who turned up, and offered help with repairs).
Those who have been to us rate us....and those 'newer' members have got to meet people like TB, Kevin, Chrisgixer, and see they don't bite, and are more than willing to help anyone. A fair bit of repair work goes on.
I really don't know what more I/we can do to attract members to attend meets. !!!! ;) Its been mentioned about Cambelt meets...if that is something that can be done on car ramps/jacks in our carpark, then that is something I could look into for the summer, subject to weather forecasts. :y
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bugger for me is when i can attend theyre miles away and the main events like newent and the lakes are the times when i have to do things with all my family although i am gonna look into trying to tag them into a holiday next year so i can attend one(if there is one)i dont mind travelling darn sarf cos i can do that and then booger off and do the family thing for the rest of the week :)
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So what have we come up with then?
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So what have we come up with then?
well to generalise your rather ugly but pretty good with a spanner some vasciline and a lettuce :o :o
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So what have we come up with then?
well to generalise your rather ugly but pretty good with a spanner some vasciline and a lettuce :o :o
I don't like Lettuce ;D
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Lettuce? Wtf...? ;D
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Lettuce? Wtf...? ;D
Think Pauline Lovedup has been smoking Lettuce again ;D
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I posted a list a few pages back, given up on trying to keep this thread on track.
This was your chance to have your open and honest say on OOF :-X
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Well no one can really moan in future then eh.... you have been open to ideas you cant be any more fair :y
Shame some have not said what they think though ???
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sorry TB that was my fault i will get wifey to hit me with a lettuce leaf :-*
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plus TB if it is any consulation probably not but this thread has given me a kick up the arse and made me realise how much i enjoyed the forum :y
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plus TB if it is any consulation probably not but this thread has given me a kick up the arse and made me realise how much i enjoyed the forum :y
Me too,I've posted more in the last week than I have in the month before :y :y
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Maybe make this thread a sticky and leave it open. It may not suits some to post at the moment. Maybe? :-\
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Maybe make this thread a sticky and leave it open. It may not suits some to post at the moment. Maybe? :-\
+1 :y
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what is the av age of omega owners.. seen some young on here and seen some old (im 49)dont tell me at this age ive gotto buy a brand new volvo to goto the post office
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what is the av age of omega owners.. seen some young on here and seen some old (im 49)dont tell me at this age ive gotto buy a brand new volvo to goto the post office
good question quite young now i think when you read a lot of the posts as entwood quite rightly says omegas are more accesible and quite a few bling them up which to be honest i quite like although some dont just nice to see some one do the work i am 48 i think :D
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what is the av age of omega owners.. seen some young on here and seen some old (im 49)dont tell me at this age ive gotto buy a brand new volvo to goto the post office
good question quite young now i think when you read a lot of the posts as entwood quite rightly says omegas are more accesible and quite a few bling them up which to be honest i quite like although some dont just nice to see some one do the work i am 848 i think :D
Nearly as old as Yoda Pauline ???
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gonna tell wifey on you ;D ;D
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gonna tell wifey on you ;D ;D
Yes but Mrs. Lovelever knows I am right ;D
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Is it really 28 pages :o No wonder it's taken me two hours to read through ::)
Lots of interesting points raised :y Might have posted in response to several of the posts, but wanted to read through first ;)
In no particular order:
1. Link the Guides and FAQs and making them even more obvious might work, but there is a repeating banner which suggests looking before asking in the Help sections :-\
2. Less jumping on people who ask stupid questions (or stick black tape over their rear lights), I might be a bit guilty of this :-[ I wonder if Tunnie will moderate his youthful exuberance as he passes 30 :-\
3. Can't really avoid the 'Cliquey' issue. Groups of people who know each other and get along will always appear aloof to those looking in :-\ Best solution is to just jump in feet first, get along to meets and as has been suggested you'll soon realise that we're all affable people with at least one rusty common interest.
4. Personally, I've two reasons for not participating as much: Not in the office as often as I used to be and since getting a new 'It's NOT gay' phone I've been able to browse at leisure but posting is a proper ball ache >:( I do still try to get along to meets though
5. The debacle at the start of the year was an unfortunate incident that surprised and shocked alot of people. It'll take time but, the dust will settle and the wounds will heal, life goes on...
We know that we own, or at least appreciate the best value cars in the world,(second perhaps to a Monaro/VXR8), and also that we have the best Forum in the world for keeping said cars going :y
We just need to remind ourselves that were lucky to have these things and should try to appreciate them a bit more. :y
Hope tomorrow is a better day Albs :y
Nickbats' goat was delicious, ta muchly for leaving it there Tigers :-X
p.s. FWIW points 2,3 and five are perhaps the things that need attention. To paraphrase Sunscreen by Baz Luhrman: ' Be wary of people who try to sell you advice, but pay attention to those who give it freely' :y Actually quite a sage song :y
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just wanted to add my thoughts
I'm not sure what the debarcle at the start of the year was - I must have missed it and I think I'm glad
I've never been to some of the meets yet but I may do one day but time seems to run away with me (always something to fix).
I find the forum an enormously useful source of information and banter and try to contribute when I can. I wouldn't try to change things - they work well to me
on odd occasions i seem to have posted the wrong thing in the wrong place and the admins have moved or deleted without much explaination. that left me a bit " ruffled" but then I look at it like this: the admins put in their time and money to keep this going and frankly i'm grateful to them for doing so, its not for me to offer a word of criticism or complainr to a willing volunteer but it is for me to offer a word of thanks.
let's just focus on the positive aspects of the forum and if there is some bit of it that is not to our personal taste well, don't focus on that. overall its a great place
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just wanted to add my thoughts
I'm not sure what the debarcle at the start of the year was - I must have missed it and I think I'm glad
I've never been to some of the meets yet but I may do one day but time seems to run away with me (always something to fix).
I find the forum an enormously useful source of information and banter and try to contribute when I can. I wouldn't try to change things - they work well to me
on odd occasions i seem to have posted the wrong thing in the wrong place and the admins have moved or deleted without much explaination. that left me a bit " ruffled" but then I look at it like this: the admins put in their time and money to keep this going and frankly i'm grateful to them for doing so, its not for me to offer a word of criticism or complainr to a willing volunteer but it is for me to offer a word of thanks.
let's just focus on the positive aspects of the forum and if there is some bit of it that is not to our personal taste well, don't focus on that. overall its a great place
I agree with what you say here mate, but Fairness needs to be Paramount.
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on odd occasions i seem to have posted the wrong thing in the wrong place and the admins have moved or deleted without much explaination. that left me a bit " ruffled"
I'm certainly guilty of that :-[
From my point of view, moving shouldn't be a problem, as it should, I hope, be obvious why its moved, and we normally leaves a link in the original location so you can find it.
Deleted posts, yes, I'll have to hold my hand up :-[. IMHO, I think its obvious why I've deleted them, but could try harder to understand that it may not be obvious to all :-[.
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However, in my defence....
I've moderated or run a fair few forums now, of varying sizes and popularity. However, nowhere more than OOF have I had so much abuse sent to me in PMs. It doesn't particularly bother me, as I'm big enough, ugly enough and thick skinned enough to get over it, it does sometimes make you want to remain anonymous after moderating a thread :-[
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Well I do try. ;D
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However, in my defence....
I've moderated or run a fair few forums now, of varying sizes and popularity. However, nowhere more than OOF have I had so much abuse sent to me in PMs. It doesn't particularly bother me, as I'm big enough, ugly enough and thick skinned enough to get over it, it does sometimes make you want to remain anonymous after moderating a thread :-[
Folk need to get a life ffs >:( >:(
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However, in my defence....
I've moderated or run a fair few forums now, of varying sizes and popularity. However, nowhere more than OOF have I had so much abuse sent to me in PMs. It doesn't particularly bother me, as I'm big enough, ugly enough and thick skinned enough to get over it, it does sometimes make you want to remain anonymous after moderating a thread :-[
Personal view, but I think thats disgusting...........its like biting off the hand that feeds you...sorry :)
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However, in my defence....
I've moderated or run a fair few forums now, of varying sizes and popularity. However, nowhere more than OOF have I had so much abuse sent to me in PMs. It doesn't particularly bother me, as I'm big enough, ugly enough and thick skinned enough to get over it, it does sometimes make you want to remain anonymous after moderating a thread :-[
Folk need to get a life ffs >:( >:(
I would second that sorry to hear that
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He loves it really. ;)
But I have heard some story's... And really, it's pretty disgracefull.
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However, in my defence....
I've moderated or run a fair few forums now, of varying sizes and popularity. However, nowhere more than OOF have I had so much abuse sent to me in PMs. It doesn't particularly bother me, as I'm big enough, ugly enough and thick skinned enough to get over it, it does sometimes make you want to remain anonymous after moderating a thread :-[
Personal view, but I think thats disgusting...........its like biting off the hand that feeds you...sorry :)
Must say I'm surprised at that. Didn't know things were that bad. :(
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However, in my defence....
I've moderated or run a fair few forums now, of varying sizes and popularity. However, nowhere more than OOF have I had so much abuse sent to me in PMs. It doesn't particularly bother me, as I'm big enough, ugly enough and thick skinned enough to get over it, it does sometimes make you want to remain anonymous after moderating a thread :-[
Folk need to get a life ffs >:( >:(
Further to that its a good job I'm not a Mod because They'd be banned >:(
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You would be suprised at the PM's and people hitting the Grass button complaining ..... My eyes were certainly opened ???
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As a newbie I find OOF invaluble, I love just reading random posts. I think it's so good you dont realise what you have here, it's a pity more forums dont live up to this standard.
No matter what club / group your'e in there is always a group of whingers and mumpers.
Don't let the ba*#$rds grind you down. :y :y
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I would have to say that OOF can't be all that bad.
I was here before, left in a moment of stupidity (sold my omega, got another one, sold that and so on) but now I'm back....and in another Omega :)
Thanks
Mike
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...mumpers ;D
Yeah Andy, break em. ;) ;D
...mumpers ... I like that word. Mumpersmumpersmunpers. Pmsl. ;D
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I would have to say that OOF can't be all that bad.
I was here before, left in a moment of stupidity (sold my omega, got another one, sold that and so on) but now I'm back....and in another Omega :)
Thanks
Mike
Your the guy started that other forum iirc ... Why did you feel the need to do that by the way? Just wondered. :)
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Chris,
Don't want to air dirty laundry in public but had quite a major bust up with a ex (I think) member on here about something ridiculous, but I had to draw the line when he PM'd me threatening to come down and sort me out like a man???
Oh, didn't I say not doing my dirty laundry in public....oh well, its dead and buried now :)
Mike
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Well, given the nature of the thread, nows the time. I mean, if something drove you away we should know I suppose, it's not something we like to see happen to members.
Free country and all that, but starting another forum in competition, seems an extreme step....?
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I've not been here for very long in the grand scheme of things (4 months ish) but long enough to know that without OOF I;d be pretty sunk.
The atmosphere on here is for the most part positive and supportive, although there's been the odd bump in the road but then with a forum of this size you'd expect a few.
Abusive PM's though... beggars belief!
I've moderated a few forums, been admin on two (still am on one) and have never had that problem.
Maybe I'm just lucky.... or maybe people just feel sorry for me having to wear this ugly mug all the time.... ;D
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Yeah, I know, I should have ignored the PM's and the abusive phone calls, but I just couldn't.
Perhaps he caught me at a bad time...
Also, the other forum was never meant as competition, just one that I could stop him joining :).
Like I said though, it's all dead and buried and maybe I'm a bigger (definately the case.lol) and more mature man now...
Thanks
Mike
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Yeah, I know, I should have ignored the PM's and the abusive phone calls, but I just couldn't.
Perhaps he caught me at a bad time...
Also, the other forum was never meant as competition, just one that I could stop him joining :).
Like I said though, it's all dead and buried and maybe I'm a bigger (definately the case.lol) and more mature man now...
Thanks
Mike
pray tell,name the tvv@t and shame.cant do with im big hard and gonna threaten you down the internet and shit but wouldnt dare say boo face to face....come on who was it :y
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However, in my defence....
I've moderated or run a fair few forums now, of varying sizes and popularity. However, nowhere more than OOF have I had so much abuse sent to me in PMs. It doesn't particularly bother me, as I'm big enough, ugly enough and thick skinned enough to get over it, it does sometimes make you want to remain anonymous after moderating a thread :-[
Folk need to get a life ffs >:( >:(
I would second that sorry to hear that
Me too, I had no idea it was such a problem....... :o :o :(
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Yeah, I know, I should have ignored the PM's and the abusive phone calls, but I just couldn't.
Perhaps he caught me at a bad time...
Also, the other forum was never meant as competition, just one that I could stop him joining :).
Like I said though, it's all dead and buried and maybe I'm a bigger (definately the case.lol) and more mature man now...
Thanks
Mike
pray tell,name the tvv@t and shame.cant do with im big hard and gonna threaten you down the internet and shit but wouldnt dare say boo face to face....come on who was it :y
a member long since banned, with phschological problems.
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Mike, someone threatened to "come down & sort you out" - What the!? Appalling behaviour. Clearly a retard!
This is a forum, there will always be differences in opinion!
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However, in my defence....
I've moderated or run a fair few forums now, of varying sizes and popularity. However, nowhere more than OOF have I had so much abuse sent to me in PMs. It doesn't particularly bother me, as I'm big enough, ugly enough and thick skinned enough to get over it, it does sometimes make you want to remain anonymous after moderating a thread :-[
Folk need to get a life ffs >:( >:(
I would second that sorry to hear that
well i wouldnt be too sorry as most of it i bet comes from mrs tb??... :y.....joking apart whats all that about??
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Mike, someone threatened to "come down & sort you out" - What the!? Appalling behaviour. Clearly a retard!
This is a forum, there will always be differences in opinion!
true and we all rub along ;D
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However, in my defence....
I've moderated or run a fair few forums now, of varying sizes and popularity. However, nowhere more than OOF have I had so much abuse sent to me in PMs. It doesn't particularly bother me, as I'm big enough, ugly enough and thick skinned enough to get over it, it does sometimes make you want to remain anonymous after moderating a thread :-[
Abusive PM on the way Jaime ;)
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Chris......
I wasn't aware of that :(
Mike
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Well, I have'nt spent as mush time on the Forum as I used to in the past 2 years but that is mainly down to othe commitments eg Uni, work etc.. This issue of the future of the Forum was an item for discussion and debate at last yrs Lakes meet, comments and opinions raised then by some are being re-iterated. The Forum is an excellent Forum only one I have been party to :y, not really able to comment too much on how it has been as I have'nt been on much. I am aware of the Ljay/LK debacle, which is really unfortunate and a shame, and to be perfectly honest should never have happened and this will leave a rift now, which I think will not go away.
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Well, I have'nt spent as mush time on the Forum as I used to in the past 2 years but that is mainly down to othe commitments eg Uni, work etc.. This issue of the future of the Forum was an item for discussion and debate at last yrs Lakes meet, comments and opinions raised then by some are being re-iterated. The Forum is an excellent Forum only one I have been party to :y, not really able to comment too much on how it has been as I have'nt been on much. I am aware of the Ljay/LK debacle, which is really unfortunate and a shame, and to be perfectly honest should never have happened and this will leave a rift now, which I think will not go away.
This is the last time I am mentioning this "debacle"
For me Mike this is true.
I thought after having some time away from the Forum I may chill out about the whole thing, but I have not. I am still as angry about the whole performance as I was when I actually deleted myself from the Forum after over 5 years of being a member. I also decided to ask to be removed from being a Moderator, which has been done.
I have spent hours doing certain things for the Forum, using my own money and time especially organising the Meets. Which I won't be doing again, although this years have already been sorted. As I do not think I will be comfortable attending the Meets, I will not be attending them in the future either, to stop any trouble or uncomfort for myself or anyone else. Ashame but one of those things.
Personally I think the wrong people were banned when this "Debacle" was happening. Ljay one, Myself the other. Jimbob has not once as I have seen stood up and openly accounted for his actions, therefor he should have been the one banned IMHO and yet every picture tells a story.
Maybe this "Debacle" could be used as a learning curve for the future of the Forum? No matter who you are or who your wife/husband is, you should get the same treatment....
I do intend to go back to my older self who used to laugh and joke on here :y
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I do intend to go back to my older self who used to laugh and joke on here :y
I'll look forward to that babe. :-* :-* :-*
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I do intend to go back to my older self who used to laugh and joke on here :y
I'll look forward to that babe. :-* :-* :-*
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well, I have'nt spent as mush time on the Forum as I used to in the past 2 years but that is mainly down to othe commitments eg Uni, work etc.. This issue of the future of the Forum was an item for discussion and debate at last yrs Lakes meet, comments and opinions raised then by some are being re-iterated. The Forum is an excellent Forum only one I have been party to :y, not really able to comment too much on how it has been as I have'nt been on much. I am aware of the Ljay/LK debacle, which is really unfortunate and a shame, and to be perfectly honest should never have happened and this will leave a rift now, which I think will not go away.
This is the last time I am mentioning this "debacle"
For me Mike this is true.
I thought after having some time away from the Forum I may chill out about the whole thing, but I have not. I am still as angry about the whole performance as I was when I actually deleted myself from the Forum after over 5 years of being a member. I also decided to ask to be removed from being a Moderator, which has been done.
I have spent hours doing certain things for the Forum, using my own money and time especially organising the Meets. Which I won't be doing again, although this years have already been sorted. As I do not think I will be comfortable attending the Meets, I will not be attending them in the future either, to stop any trouble or uncomfort for myself or anyone else. Ashame but one of those things.
Personally I think the wrong people were banned when this "Debacle" was happening. Ljay one, Myself the other. Jimbob has not once as I have seen stood up and openly accounted for his actions, therefor he should have been the one banned IMHO and yet every picture tells a story.
Maybe this "Debacle" could be used as a learning curve for the future of the Forum? No matter who you are or who your wife/husband is, you should get the same treatment....
I do intend to go back to my older self who used to laugh and joke on here :y
Good to hear that Daz - go for it mate :y
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Bloody 'ell Daz, does that mean I wont ever meet you in person unless I come over to .....'The Dark Side' :o ;D ;)
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Bloody 'ell Daz, does that mean I wont ever meet you in person unless I come over to .....'The Dark Side' :o ;D ;)
Phyliss, why would I again want to meet an ugly tinker like you? ;D
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Wadaya mean 'Again'! ya oily rag ya! ;D
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Wadaya mean 'Again'! ya oily rag ya! ;D
Oh here we go Denial now.... ???
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I've never been to Egypt either ya sump plug! ;D ;)
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I've never been to Egypt either ya sump plug! ;D ;)
;D ;D ;D very good phil
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dlk 5 years on here arranged all the lakes and newent meets , now not going to be coming to any more???????
maybe im out of order saying this .......well if i am........ TOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well in my oppion he should come as the OOF MASIVE want you there,
I know its daz`s right to choose weather to go or not but think if well all showed he was wanted there he might change his mind,
show your support :y :y :y
pete
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dlk 5 years on here arranged all the lakes and newent meets , now not going to be coming to any more???????
maybe im out of order saying this .......well if i am........ TOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well in my oppion he should come as the OOF MASIVE want you there,
I know its daz`s right to choose weather to go or not but think if well all showed he was wanted there he might change his mind,
show your support :y :y :y
pete
Too right. :y
But if you met him, maybe you have I don't know, you'd know how ugly he is. And therefor big enough AND ugly enough to make his own decissions.
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Pete.
I am grateful of your above post. But I aren't going as I don't want to see certain people that is the bottom line.
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ok point made and understood, its a shame though mind you its like the rest of this pc country the minority rule the majority,
here endeth the lesson for today
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I find it odd that everyone is speaking what they think but the admins. I thought this post was supposed to be dialogue but seems they people running the site dont care >:(.
Are the admins too busy infighting themselves to care what is happening to the OOF >:( ?
As looknee says above about when he was darth looknee he was banned for no real reason and then kicked off as an admin which seems to have left a bitter taste in everyones mouth. Why wasnt we told the real reason, as he wouldnt have been banned for typing terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired. If we are expected to say wot we think is wrong with the OOF then the admins should have the decency to at least join in >:(. Will we get a reply from the boy or his gang? Doubt it >:(
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I find it odd that everyone is speaking what they think but the admins. I thought this post was supposed to be dialogue but seems they people running the site dont care >:(.
Are the admins too busy infighting themselves to care what is happening to the OOF >:( ?
As looknee says above about when he was darth looknee he was banned for no real reason and then kicked off as an admin which seems to have left a bitter taste in everyones mouth. Why wasnt we told the real reason, as he wouldnt have been banned for typing terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired. If we are expected to say wot we think is wrong with the OOF then the admins should have the decency to at least join in >:(. Will we get a reply from the boy or his gang? Doubt it >:(
I think you should go back through the thread Mike, they've commented earlier ;) This was more to get our opinions anyway AFAICT :-\ And if you read his posts, he asked not to be a moderator any more ;)
It's a huge shame that DLK has decided the actions he has and I will be very sad not to see him at the meets. He's one of the people I've met through OOF over the last 4 years or so that I class as a friend (instead of an acquaintance) but I respect his decision ;) I know that he and I will still meet up whenever our paths cross and it can be arranged and I'm sure I'll hear his voice over the phone reasonably frequently ;)
Unfortunately the whole sorry incident is going to be hanging over this forum for a while. This is a big shame because (however you feel about the situation) there was no real "good" outcome when there was such ill feeling :'( I know Jimbob made a decision based on what he perceived to be the right course of action. Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn't. But it has highlighted that having your partner as a member when you are moderating is an awkward and uncomfortable position to find yourself in ;) That situation has now been resolved with the unfortunate loss of a member :'( Ljay and I may not have always seen eye to eye but it's still sad to lose a member ;) Personally I didn't see anything wrong with the comment that sparked it all ??? After all, Ljay has posted similar many times in the past ;) But it sparked a dreadful sequence of events that has ended as it has. Perhaps the whole thing could have been handled differently but this is the real world and we need to move forwards... The past cannot be changed ;)
At the risk of repeating myself, I do find that the membership base has changed dramatically and that there are more and more posts that I open and then ignore or just ignore it in full ;) That's just like real life though... There are always people/conversations that don't interest you ;) I hope that it's just the seasonal lull, but I have noticed it's been getting quieter and more "aggressive" lately >:(
We should all have a big kiss and cuddle and move on ;) ;D
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Pete.
I am grateful of your above post. But I aren't going as I don't want to see certain people that is the bottom line.
thats handy wifeys not gonna be impressed with you doggy gonna be pissed too he was looking forward to bob the sausage sausage :o
it is at the end of the day your dissison a sad one foreveryone that was looking forward to seeing you as ugly as you are including me as you make me look good 8) but seriously i hope you have a rethink your gonna miss out on seeing a lot of people that want to be in your company.
gonna tell you a story and it was me that lost out. My own brother nearly bankrupted me 2 years ago now a work /jop he wanted then did not have money etc anyway shoulda got a little slap for it(lot more to it) but gave up my title when i met wifey so i spent 2 years missing all the family events etc. went to our first family event last week sister renewed her vows so could not miss that. we shoock hands and that was it no words i have nothing to say and he only talks behind my back so there it is missed out on all the kids growing up felt like i had not seen them for years and years. felt like a fool ok so my brother and I still dont talk and maybe never will too much history but life is certainley too short to miss seeing family friends etc when an oppertunity presents itself no matter who will be there.
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I find it odd that everyone is speaking what they think but the admins. I thought this post was supposed to be dialogue but seems they people running the site dont care >:(.
Are the admins too busy infighting themselves to care what is happening to the OOF >:( ?
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If we are expected to say wot we think is wrong with the OOF then the admins should have the decency to at least join in >:(. Will we get a reply from the boy or his gang? Doubt it >:(
mikesomega - rest assured that I am reading every single post in this thread, and I really do care about what members think. Honestly. I suspect the other Admin Team members are reading as well.
I purposely haven't really responded to my views, as I don't want to influence peoples views (which does seem to happen, sadly).
But you'll notice a few pages back, I did summerise what, purely from this thread, I thought the members were saying the problems were.
This thread was intended as a listening exercise, not a two way dialogue for the reasons I stated above.
I hope that clarifies.
(The <snipped> query I may reply to later, not really sure I should make my views known)
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I find it odd that everyone is speaking what they think but the admins. I thought this post was supposed to be dialogue but seems they people running the site dont care >:(.
Are the admins too busy infighting themselves to care what is happening to the OOF >:( ?
<snip>
If we are expected to say wot we think is wrong with the OOF then the admins should have the decency to at least join in >:(. Will we get a reply from the boy or his gang? Doubt it >:(
mikesomega - rest assured that I am reading every single post in this thread, and I really do care about what members think. Honestly. I suspect the other Admin Team members are reading as well.
I purposely haven't really responded to my views, as I don't want to influence peoples views (which does seem to happen, sadly).
But you'll notice a few pages back, I did summerise what, purely from this thread, I thought the members were saying the problems were.
This thread was intended as a listening exercise, not a two way dialogue for the reasons I stated above.
I hope that clarifies.
(The <snipped> query I may reply to later, not really sure I should make my views known)
Not mine :P ;D :-*
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I find it odd that everyone is speaking what they think but the admins. I thought this post was supposed to be dialogue but seems they people running the site dont care >:(.
Are the admins too busy infighting themselves to care what is happening to the OOF >:( ?
<snip>
If we are expected to say wot we think is wrong with the OOF then the admins should have the decency to at least join in >:(. Will we get a reply from the boy or his gang? Doubt it >:(
mikesomega - rest assured that I am reading every single post in this thread, and I really do care about what members think. Honestly. I suspect the other Admin Team members are reading as well.
I purposely haven't really responded to my views, as I don't want to influence peoples views (which does seem to happen, sadly).
But you'll notice a few pages back, I did summerise what, purely from this thread, I thought the members were saying the problems were.
This thread was intended as a listening exercise, not a two way dialogue for the reasons I stated above.
I hope that clarifies.
(The <snipped> query I may reply to later, not really sure I should make my views known)
What TB says.
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Not mine :P ;D :-*
Feel free to post them here ;)
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Not mine :P ;D :-*
Feel free to post them here ;)
As has been previously posted by some members, the banter & joviality has for whatever reason gradually diminished and has to a certain degree been replaced with argumentative posts on threads as opposed to debateable. Voice an opinion, if someone is in disagreement the thread then degenerates into a slanging match and the articulate members shy away from posting.
Admin I feel, have a challenging, if not sometimes insurmountable task to moderate every thread. IMO they`re damned if they do and damned if they don`t. There have been occasions where Broocie (H21) has forgotten he`s no longer a serving member of the constabulary and dons his "plod" hat, but I/we just accept the old adage "once a copper always a copper" ;D ;D
It still appears that the thorn in the side of many members is this thread http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=100127.0
where the actions of mods/admin were akin to using a "sledgehammer to crack a nut"
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It may alarm those in the general Forum membership reading some of the opinions expressed on this thread that the Forum is in somewhat of a hole at the moment - please do not worry, the Administrators and Moderators are looking into it. :y :-*
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It may alarm those in the general Forum membership reading some of the opinions expressed on this thread that the Forum in somewhat of a hole at the moment - please do not worry, the Administrators and Moderators are looking into it. :y :-*
Admin dig team perchance ;D ;D :D
(http://www.tsmee.co.uk/attachments/Image/bonfire/shovels.jpg)
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Not mine :P ;D :-*
Feel free to post them here ;)
....... There have been occasions where Broocie (H21) has forgotten he`s no longer a serving member of the constabulary and dons his "plod" hat, but I/we just accept the old adage "once a copper always a copper" ;D ;D .....
And if I had been a manager in HR, a member of the military with troops to contend with or any other similar position and thereafter became a moderator/admin on an internet forum, would that make any difference to how something is moderated?
Or is there something in how folks perceive my previous career as something that should be treated differently to any other vocation?
Just because someone worked as a joiner/plumber/manager/whatever for the better part of their working lives. So what?
I really would appreciate if you want to expand on your quote. :)
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would that make any difference to how something is moderated?
Where did I say you moderated as if you were still in service ???
folks perceive my previous career as something that should be treated differently to any other vocation?
That wasn`t mentioned.
Just because someone worked as a joiner/plumber/manager/whatever for the better part of their working lives. So what?
Doesn`t make an iota of difference.
I was not referring to your admin duties as a whole but there have been a fair few of your posts (and no, I haven`t the time nor inclination to search for them :)) where it appears, no doubt unintentionally, that a sprinkling of patronisation is evident. :-\ I may be wrong but that`s how I and other members have perceived them. If said members wish to add further comments in agreement or disagreement that is their perogative
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Fair play, you did not mention moderation but that was how it was taken by me. :y
As regards how folks take my posts that is of course entirely their prerogative but bear in mind, it is a bit like tracer rounds. It works both ways. ;D As we all grow older we become what we are due to life's influences. Some good, some less so, and is what makes us all different. The typed page and limited emoticons simply cannot clearly convey what's intended all the time. But that's just how it is and where meets are the best way to see the real person and the catalyst for friendships which then spill back onto the forum and the whole cycle starts again. :)
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Fair play, you did not mention moderation but that was how it was taken by me. :y
As regards how folks take my posts that is of course entirely their prerogative but bear in mind, it is a bit like tracer rounds. It works both ways. ;D As we all grow older we become what we are due to life's influences. Some good, some less so, and is what makes us all different. The typed page and limited emoticons simply cannot clearly convey what's intended all the time. But that's just how it is and where meets are the best way to see the real person and the catalyst for friendships which then spill back onto the forum and the whole cycle starts again. :)
(http://customjustice.dchallofjustice.com/forums/Smileys/default/sign_sorry.gif) should have been a bit more articulate :D
Got loads of `em here. (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-jumping-smileys-606.gif) (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)
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It may alarm those in the general Forum membership reading some of the opinions expressed on this thread that the Forum in somewhat of a hole at the moment - please do not worry, the Administrators and Moderators are looking into it. :y :-*
Admin dig team perchance ;D ;D :D
(http://www.tsmee.co.uk/attachments/Image/bonfire/shovels.jpg)
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/935bb197.jpg)
;D
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Sorry I was wrong.
It did feel like everyone was saying what the faults were but no1 listening.
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And if you read his posts, he asked not to be a moderator any more ;)
It's a huge shame that DLK has decided the actions he has and I will be very sad not to see him at the meets. He's one of the people I've met through OOF over the last 4 years or so that I class as a friend (instead of an acquaintance) but I respect his decision ;) I know that he and I will still meet up whenever our paths cross and it can be arranged and I'm sure I'll hear his voice over the phone reasonably frequently ;)
Unfortunately the whole sorry incident is going to be hanging over this forum for a while. This is a big shame because (however you feel about the situation) there was no real "good" outcome when there was such ill feeling :'( I know Jimbob made a decision based on what he perceived to be the right course of action. Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn't. But it has highlighted that having your partner as a member when you are moderating is an awkward and uncomfortable position to find yourself in ;) That situation has now been resolved with the unfortunate loss of a member :'( Ljay and I may not have always seen eye to eye but it's still sad to lose a member ;) Personally I didn't see anything wrong with the comment that sparked it all ??? After all, Ljay has posted similar many times in the past ;) But it sparked a dreadful sequence of events that has ended as it has. Perhaps the whole thing could have been handled differently but this is the real world and we need to move forwards... The past cannot be changed ;)
So you think looknee jumped and wasnot pushed? Interesting. I sense some squabbling with the admins.
It is a bloody travesty what has happened or at least seems that way to an outsider with a keen eye to bullying. If I am write its a f***ing disgrace.
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You are wrong.
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You are wrong.
Why don`t the admin team grow a pair and put it into type exactly why it`s "wrong" then or does this "phantom clique" exist within the confines of their ivory tower aka "chat room" ??? ??? ???
I would imagine there are quite a few members awaiting the admin take on all this, or is it going to be a case of "sometime never"
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While I`m on the subject of "admins" could one of you answer an extremely simple question.
Admin`s duties are to moderate the forum with no bias/prejudice so why do you feel the need to prowl the site in stealth mode or under a pseudonym ???
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So you think looknee jumped and wasnot pushed?
I'm not sure I should reveal exactly why Loo-knee isn't a mod anymore - thats between him, MDTM, H21, AA and I, but I will say I am sorry to see him go :-X ;)
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You are wrong.
Why don`t the admin team grow a pair and put it into type exactly why it`s "wrong" then or does this "phantom clique" exist within the confines of their ivory tower aka "chat room" ??? ??? ???
I would imagine there are quite a few members awaiting the admin take on all this, or is it going to be a case of "sometime never"
RobG - seems you've definately got a bee in your bonnet about something. Which is good, and precisely what this thread is about :y.
However, not quite sure I understand what your are getting at :-[. Can you ask the question/query again, in a way a dimwit like me would understand ;D
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I haven't read every post & so this may have been said already......
A forum is a place for people to chat about whatever. People change, peoples veiws change & so in turn the forum changes with it.
New members arrive, old members leave & so that also changes the froum.
We need to stop hanging onto the past & embrace the future, because if we don't, maybe just maybe this forum will wither & die.
Admins. You can analize as much as you want, but I don't think you'll ever get the answer ??? :-\
I'm an Admin on another forum that was started up last year. It was born from disagreements, it started off well & many members migrated from the other forum & complimented the new forum, because it was a breath of fresh air with easy going rules & no hangups like the other forum. The new forum now has hardly anyone viewing it & they've pretty much all gone back to the other forum. Why I just don't know. I too have analized & tried to find the reasons, but I'm :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :'(
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While I`m on the subject of "admins" could one of you answer an extremely simple question.
Admin`s duties are to moderate the forum with no bias/prejudice so why do you feel the need to prowl the site in stealth mode or under a pseudonym ???
I keep mine (mostly) in permenent stealth.
Why?
During the day, when at work, I'm not supposed to be on here. I'm supposed to be working. Work know all about this site - christ, colleagues help fix it if I'm not around or otherwise busy - so I don't like to advertise when I'm on during the day ;). Not that I do get on much during the day any more, but old habits die hard.
If its perceived as a problem, I can stop being in Stealth, but then *any* access during day will be necessarily very limited.
Personally, I think its good that Admins aren't visible, as I've seen before that those wishing to cause trouble waiting until no Admins are online :-X
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While I`m on the subject of "admins" could one of you answer an extremely simple question.
Admin`s duties are to moderate the forum with no bias/prejudice so why do you feel the need to prowl the site in stealth mode or under a pseudonym ???
I keep mine (mostly) in permenent stealth.
Why?
During the day, when at work, I'm not supposed to be on here. I'm supposed to be working. Work know all about this site - christ, colleagues help fix it if I'm not around or otherwise busy - so I don't like to advertise when I'm on during the day ;). Not that I do get on much during the day any more, but old habits die hard.
If its perceived as a problem, I can stop being in Stealth, but then *any* access during day will be necessarily very limited.
Personally, I think its good that Admins aren't visible, as I've seen before that those wishing to cause trouble waiting until no Admins are online :-X
We know you're there, we just don't know who. Stealth should be stealth & not "Hidden" as it says.
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I haven't read every post & so this may have been said already......
A forum is a place for people to chat about whatever. People change, peoples veiws change & so in turn the forum changes with it.
New members arrive, old members leave & so that also changes the froum.
We need to stop hanging onto the past & embrace the future, because if we don't, maybe just maybe this forum will wither & die.
Admins. You can analize as much as you want, but I don't think you'll ever get the answer ??? :-\
I'm an Admin on another forum that was started up last year. It was born from disagreements, it started off well & many members migrated from the other forum & complimented the new forum, because it was a breath of fresh air with easy going rules & no hangups like the other forum. The new forum now has hardly anyone viewing it & they've pretty much all gone back to the other forum. Why I just don't know. I too have analized & tried to find the reasons, but I'm :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :'(
I understand what you are saying :y, but I personally feel that there is a tide of unease simmering below the surface. As a member of the Admin Team, and a co-founder, I feel its my responsibility to try to understand what/why that is, and see if there is something we can do about it.
Maybe there is no answer or solution, but we have to try. IMHO, anyway.
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While I`m on the subject of "admins" could one of you answer an extremely simple question.
Admin`s duties are to moderate the forum with no bias/prejudice so why do you feel the need to prowl the site in stealth mode or under a pseudonym ???
I keep mine (mostly) in permenent stealth.
Why?
During the day, when at work, I'm not supposed to be on here. I'm supposed to be working. Work know all about this site - christ, colleagues help fix it if I'm not around or otherwise busy - so I don't like to advertise when I'm on during the day ;). Not that I do get on much during the day any more, but old habits die hard.
If its perceived as a problem, I can stop being in Stealth, but then *any* access during day will be necessarily very limited.
Personally, I think its good that Admins aren't visible, as I've seen before that those wishing to cause trouble waiting until no Admins are online :-X
We know you're there, we just don't know who. Stealth should be stealth & not "Hidden" as it says.
Yeah, its a sligth functionality difference between YaBB and SMF. Easily overcome, but more important things to spend time on currently, clearly. And also not worth the effort if members think its wrong that admins can use stealth.
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I haven't read every post & so this may have been said already......
A forum is a place for people to chat about whatever. People change, peoples veiws change & so in turn the forum changes with it.
New members arrive, old members leave & so that also changes the froum.
We need to stop hanging onto the past & embrace the future, because if we don't, maybe just maybe this forum will wither & die.
Admins. You can analize as much as you want, but I don't think you'll ever get the answer ??? :-\
I'm an Admin on another forum that was started up last year. It was born from disagreements, it started off well & many members migrated from the other forum & complimented the new forum, because it was a breath of fresh air with easy going rules & no hangups like the other forum. The new forum now has hardly anyone viewing it & they've pretty much all gone back to the other forum. Why I just don't know. I too have analized & tried to find the reasons, but I'm :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :'(
I understand what you are saying :y, but I personally feel that there is a tide of unease simmering below the surface. As a member of the Admin Team, and a co-founder, I feel its my responsibility to try to understand what/why that is, and see if there is something we can do about it.
Maybe there is no answer or solution, but we have to try. IMHO, anyway.
I know exactly what you mean Jamie. I'm still trying too :-[ :(
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While I`m on the subject of "admins" could one of you answer an extremely simple question.
Admin`s duties are to moderate the forum with no bias/prejudice so why do you feel the need to prowl the site in stealth mode or under a pseudonym ???
I keep mine (mostly) in permenent stealth.
Why?
During the day, when at work, I'm not supposed to be on here. I'm supposed to be working. Work know all about this site - christ, colleagues help fix it if I'm not around or otherwise busy - so I don't like to advertise when I'm on during the day ;). Not that I do get on much during the day any more, but old habits die hard.
If its perceived as a problem, I can stop being in Stealth, but then *any* access during day will be necessarily very limited.
Personally, I think its good that Admins aren't visible, as I've seen before that those wishing to cause trouble waiting until no Admins are online :-X
We know you're there, we just don't know who. Stealth should be stealth & not "Hidden" as it says.
Yeah, its a sligth functionality difference between YaBB and SMF. Easily overcome, but more important things to spend time on currently, clearly. And also not worth the effort if members think its wrong that admins can use stealth.
It's just the same with traffic cops. Motorists believe they're being sneeky & resent the unmarked cars etc.
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Stealth - same for me....don't believe I have used it since leaving employment :y
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Not mine :P ;D :-*
Feel free to post them here ;)
As has been previously posted by some members, the banter & joviality has for whatever reason gradually diminished and has to a certain degree been replaced with argumentative posts on threads as opposed to debateable. Voice an opinion, if someone is in disagreement the thread then degenerates into a slanging match and the articulate members shy away from posting.
Admin I feel, have a challenging, if not sometimes insurmountable task to moderate every thread. IMO they`re damned if they do and damned if they don`t. There have been occasions where Broocie (H21) has forgotten he`s no longer a serving member of the constabulary and dons his "plod" hat, but I/we just accept the old adage "once a copper always a copper" ;D ;D
It still appears that the thorn in the side of many members is this thread http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=100127.0
where the actions of mods/admin were akin to using a "sledgehammer to crack a nut"
gonna be honest and that is still narking me as to why jimbob has got off scott free from all this
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I use stealth mode for the same reasons as others have said. My employer knows what I do on OOF and as such, I give least possible chance to them of seeing me online, as it were, during working hours when I manage to wangle time to myself outwith tea/lunchbreaks.
The lazy bit of my mindset cant be arsed with the faff to change it, dependant on the time of day, just to satisfy those who want to know when I am online.
And yes. I did enjoy using an unmarked patrol car..... :P :P :P :P :P :-* ;D
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Not mine :P ;D :-*
Feel free to post them here ;)
As has been previously posted by some members, the banter & joviality has for whatever reason gradually diminished and has to a certain degree been replaced with argumentative posts on threads as opposed to debateable. Voice an opinion, if someone is in disagreement the thread then degenerates into a slanging match and the articulate members shy away from posting.
Admin I feel, have a challenging, if not sometimes insurmountable task to moderate every thread. IMO they`re damned if they do and damned if they don`t. There have been occasions where Broocie (H21) has forgotten he`s no longer a serving member of the constabulary and dons his "plod" hat, but I/we just accept the old adage "once a copper always a copper" ;D ;D
It still appears that the thorn in the side of many members is this thread http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=100127.0
where the actions of mods/admin were akin to using a "sledgehammer to crack a nut"
gonna be honest and that is still narking me as to why jimbob has got off scott free from all this
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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And yes. I did enjoy using an unmarked patrol car..... :P :P :P :P :P :-* ;D
;D ;D ;D Go on ya boy ye. ;D ;D ;D :-* :y
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I use stealth mode for the same reasons as others have said. My employer knows what I do on OOF and as such, I give least possible chance to them of seeing me online, as it were, during working hours when I manage to wangle time to myself outwith tea/lunchbreaks.
The lazy bit of my mindset cant be arsed with the faff to change it, dependant on the time of day, just to satisfy those who want to know when I am online.
And yes. I did enjoy using an unmarked patrol car..... :P :P :P :P :P :-* ;D
made me chuckle ;D ;D :y
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I use stealth mode for the same reasons as others have said. My employer knows what I do on OOF and as such, I give least possible chance to them of seeing me online, as it were, during working hours when I manage to wangle time to myself outwith tea/lunchbreaks.
The lazy bit of my mindset cant be arsed with the faff to change it, dependant on the time of day, just to satisfy those who want to know when I am online.
And yes. I did enjoy using an unmarked patrol car..... :P :P :P :P :P :-* ;D
made me chuckle ;D ;D :y
Not when he pulls you over though eh ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I use stealth mode for the same reasons as others have said. My employer knows what I do on OOF and as such, I give least possible chance to them of seeing me online, as it were, during working hours when I manage to wangle time to myself outwith tea/lunchbreaks.
The lazy bit of my mindset cant be arsed with the faff to change it, dependant on the time of day, just to satisfy those who want to know when I am online.
And yes. I did enjoy using an unmarked patrol car..... :P :P :P :P :P :-* ;D
made me chuckle ;D ;D :y
Not when he pulls you over though eh ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Need both hands to pull you over fella..... :o ;D
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I use stealth mode for the same reasons as others have said. My employer knows what I do on OOF and as such, I give least possible chance to them of seeing me online, as it were, during working hours when I manage to wangle time to myself outwith tea/lunchbreaks.
The lazy bit of my mindset cant be arsed with the faff to change it, dependant on the time of day, just to satisfy those who want to know when I am online.
And yes. I did enjoy using an unmarked patrol car..... :P :P :P :P :P :-* ;D
made me chuckle ;D ;D :y
Not when he pulls you over though eh ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D it was always a fair cop govner :( :( ::)
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I use stealth mode for the same reasons as others have said. My employer knows what I do on OOF and as such, I give least possible chance to them of seeing me online, as it were, during working hours when I manage to wangle time to myself outwith tea/lunchbreaks.
The lazy bit of my mindset cant be arsed with the faff to change it, dependant on the time of day, just to satisfy those who want to know when I am online.
And yes. I did enjoy using an unmarked patrol car..... :P :P :P :P :P :-* ;D
made me chuckle ;D ;D :y
Not when he pulls you over though eh ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Need both hands to pull you over fella..... :o ;D
Not now I am a shadow of my old self :P
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You are wrong.
Why don`t the admin team grow a pair and put it into type exactly why it`s "wrong" then or does this "phantom clique" exist within the confines of their ivory tower aka "chat room" ??? ??? ???
I would imagine there are quite a few members awaiting the admin take on all this, or is it going to be a case of "sometime never"
RobG - seems you've definately got a bee in your bonnet about something. Which is good, and precisely what this thread is about :y.
However, not quite sure I understand what your are getting at :-[. Can you ask the question/query again, in a way a dimwit like me would understand ;D
Don`t do "dimwit" so I`ll search the forum and get an idea what a dimwit is ::)
What do you want me to explain the "grow a pair" post or the "stealth" one
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Personally, I think its good that Admins aren't visible, as I've seen before that those wishing to cause trouble waiting until no Admins are online
:-X
Bit of a contradiction there TB. If you`re saying that troublemakers will "strike" when no admin are showing as online, stay out of stealth mode and by your line of thinking troublemakers won`t strike, seemples
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Personally, I think its good that Admins aren't visible, as I've seen before that those wishing to cause trouble waiting until no Admins are online
:-X
Bit of a contradiction there TB. If you`re saying that troublemakers will "strike" when no admin are showing as online, stay out of stealth mode and by your line of thinking troublemakers won`t strike, seemples
You're a rather troublemaker. Always have been.
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I see this is still causing unrest, for some reason...
As I see it, this is what happened, and how I dealt with it, and the after repercussions.
A lot of this is from (distant) memory, so please forgive recollection omissions etc.
Loo-knee responded to a thread with terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired, It was unclear as to who this was aimed, I thought the OP (tidla) initially as it was another 'whats up with OOF' thread. I found this highly disrespectful and not the behavior I would expect from a mod. It later transpired it was only aimed purely at Ljay.
Ljay attempted to resolve the issue privately, but was met by similar one word answers to PM's.
She also used the alert mod function, as is anyones right when they are not happy.
Several hours later, I acted on the alert, as noone else had, and issued a 24 hour ban to loo-knee with the ban message explaining which rule I was banning for.
imho he had used his comments purely to stir things up, and to provoke a reaction. It would appear he really didnt like the reaction he got.
The fact Ljay is my wife is irrelevant, I would have acted the same whoever had used the alert mod.
As to the punishment of a 24 hour ban....Many of us have been banned for far longer, and imho for far less, or instance I was banned for several days for merely mentioning I had downloaded a game, and I know many other bans have been issued for things like air freshener mentions etc. For these reasons I think he massively over reacted.
If he hadnt, by his own admission, been deliberately provocative, none of this would have happened. He believes however he has done nothing wrong.
As for me being scott free.....I was banned for over a week, Ljay has been banned permanently for doing nothing wrong. Personally I don't feel that is scott free. I know some feel she had done similar things in the past, that is totally irrelevant, the alert mod has been there for use, and it had been used against her in the past for which she had received warnings. So totally irrelevant to this. Quite what punishment you see fit I am not sure, as this place is hard work and takes hours of our time. To sort each few new maintenance guides takes over an hour for example. Its far easier to not be here than to help of the running of it.
As far as I am concerned, there is nothing more to be said. It is done, History.
Whenever OOF is debated, there is always a current 'gripe of the moment' I believe this is the current one, previous examples being too much politics, too much soft porn, too many jokes etc etc etc.
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And also not worth the effort if members think its wrong that admins can use stealth.
Unless admin can unequivocally state valid reasons for the use of "stealth" mode, don`t use it. :)
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You could all just get a life. Problem solved. Next one.
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Personally, I think its good that Admins aren't visible, as I've seen before that those wishing to cause trouble waiting until no Admins are online
:-X
Bit of a contradiction there TB. If you`re saying that troublemakers will "strike" when no admin are showing as online, stay out of stealth mode and by your line of thinking troublemakers won`t strike, seemples
You're a rather troublemaker. Always have been.
I`ve been in "stealth" mode reading & learning from your posts Steve ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You are wrong.
Why don`t the admin team grow a pair and put it into type exactly why it`s "wrong" then or does this "phantom clique" exist within the confines of their ivory tower aka "chat room" ??? ??? ???
I would imagine there are quite a few members awaiting the admin take on all this, or is it going to be a case of "sometime never"
RobG - seems you've definately got a bee in your bonnet about something. Which is good, and precisely what this thread is about :y.
However, not quite sure I understand what your are getting at :-[. Can you ask the question/query again, in a way a dimwit like me would understand ;D
Don`t do "dimwit" so I`ll search the forum and get an idea what a dimwit is ::)
What do you want me to explain the "grow a pair" post or the "stealth" one
Rob. I really do not mean this to be antagonistic or in any way condascending so please do not read it as such.
But.
If you have a hair up your arse regarding what you percieve as a problem on here then please, by all means, use simple words and phrases rather than speaking in off-hand riddles and conjectures. It will save several pages of faff and the need to subsequently seperate wheat from chaff. :y
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I see this is still causing unrest, for some reason...
As I see it, this is what happened, and how I dealt with it, and the after repercussions.
A lot of this is from (distant) memory, so please forgive recollection omissions etc.
Loo-knee responded to a thread with terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired, It was unclear as to who this was aimed, I thought the OP (tidla) initially as it was another 'whats up with OOF' thread. I found this highly disrespectful and not the behavior I would expect from a mod. It later transpired it was only aimed purely at Ljay.
Like banning me?
Ljay attempted to resolve the issue privately, but was met by similar one word answers to PM's.
I replied to one PM that LJay sent to me. The reply was one word "Bo.ring" (without the full stop)
She also used the alert mod function, as is anyones right when they are not happy.
Several hours later, I acted on the alert, as noone else had, and issued a 24 hour ban to loo-knee with the ban message explaining which rule I was banning for.
I don't remember that
imho he had used his comments purely to stir things up, and to provoke a reaction. It would appear he really didnt like the reaction he got.
I had and still have no problem with Ljay, her Pm's etc
The fact Ljay is my wife is irrelevant, I would have acted the same whoever had used the alert mod.
As to the punishment of a 24 hour ban....Many of us have been banned for far longer, and imho for far less, or instance I was banned for several days for merely mentioning I had downloaded a game, and I know many other bans have been issued for things like air freshener mentions etc. For these reasons I think he massively over reacted.
If he hadnt, by his own admission, been deliberately provocative, none of this would have happened. He believes however he has done nothing wrong.
So you actually think I did wrong by saying two separate words? Which Ljay has said numerous times which can be proved.. and yet you did not Ban Ljay. Why is that then?
As for me being scott free.....I was banned for over a week, Ljay has been banned permanently for doing nothing wrong.
The only thing I agree with you about. If Ljay has been Banned for saying things in the passed, I still find that unfair now to be having a punishment thaty should have been dealt 2 years ago.
Personally I don't feel that is scott free. I know some feel she had done similar things in the past, that is totally irrelevant, the alert mod has been there for use, and it had been used against her in the past for which she had received warnings. So totally irrelevant to this. Quite what punishment you see fit I am not sure, as this place is hard work and takes hours of our time. To sort each few new maintenance guides takes over an hour for example. Its far easier to not be here than to help of the running of it.
Is this your excuse?
As far as I am concerned, there is nothing more to be said. It is done, History.
Whenever OOF is debated, there is always a current 'gripe of the moment' I believe this is the current one, previous examples being too much politics, too much soft porn, too many jokes etc etc etc.
What puzzles me is the fact you still actually think you did this fairly
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You are wrong.
Why don`t the admin team grow a pair and put it into type exactly why it`s "wrong" then or does this "phantom clique" exist within the confines of their ivory tower aka "chat room" ??? ??? ???
I would imagine there are quite a few members awaiting the admin take on all this, or is it going to be a case of "sometime never"
RobG - seems you've definately got a bee in your bonnet about something. Which is good, and precisely what this thread is about :y.
However, not quite sure I understand what your are getting at :-[. Can you ask the question/query again, in a way a dimwit like me would understand ;D
Don`t do "dimwit" so I`ll search the forum and get an idea what a dimwit is ::)
What do you want me to explain the "grow a pair" post or the "stealth" one
Rob. I really do not mean this to be antagonistic or in any way condascending so please do not read it as such.
But.
If you have a hair up your arse regarding what you percieve as a problem on here then please, by all means, use simple words and phrases rather than speaking in off-hand riddles and conjectures. It will save several pages of faff and the need to subsequently seperate wheat from chaff. :y
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What puzzles me is the fact you still actually think you did this fairly
Because....You were provocative, she was reactive.
without provocation, there would be no reaction.
imho anything else would not have been fair.
simples
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What puzzles me is the fact you still actually think you did this fairly
Because....You were provocative, she was reactive.
without provocation, there would be no reaction.
imho anything else would not have been fair.
simples
So why did you let Ljay bully Ali which she did?
Why did you let Ljay get away with the "provocative" one word comments she has used several times? I used the exact same words that she has, so whats the difference?
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digging up ancient history there!...Not even sure I was a mod its that far back. I totally fail to see the relevance
but the answer is simple....Ali (or anyone) else could clicked alert mod, and it would be dealt with, as I have stated....Alert mod HAD been used against her in the past, and punishments administered (by other admin)
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What puzzles me is the fact you still actually think you did this fairly
Because....You were provocative, she was reactive.
without provocation, there would be no reaction.
imho anything else would not have been fair.
simples
from what i was reading that night there was such as thing as being over reactive.......do i think Ljay should have been banned NO but once you decided to ban DLK you have stopped Ljay from continuing to slate DLK and do the dirty washing on open forum in fact a few other members copped a response when posting
ok not party to PM s but if you decide to make comments like those on open forum in my opinion you need to be silenced and that did not happen to Ljay
as i said there were no winners everyone lost that night i sat reading in amazement at the shite storm that was developing in front of my eyes shacking my head in disbelife
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digging up ancient history there!...Not even sure I was a mod its that far back. I totally fail to see the relevance
but the answer is simple....Ali (or anyone) else could clicked alert mod, and it would be dealt with, as I have stated....Alert mod HAD been used against her in the past, and punishments administered (by other admin)
I fail to see how you can not see the relevance
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What puzzles me is the fact you still actually think you did this fairly
Because....You were provocative, she was reactive.
without provocation, there would be no reaction.
imho anything else would not have been fair.
simples
from what i was reading that night there was such as thing as being over reactive.......do i think Ljay should have been .......
You could say over reactive....but if loo-knee had not posted.....there would have been NO reaction.
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Personally, I think its good that Admins aren't visible, as I've seen before that those wishing to cause trouble waiting until no Admins are online
:-X
Bit of a contradiction there TB. If you`re saying that troublemakers will "strike" when no admin are showing as online, stay out of stealth mode and by your line of thinking troublemakers won`t strike, seemples
The way I see it is people don't know when admins are online, rather than completely advertising none are.
Do you think its an issue?
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ok we seem to be banging heads again.
What are the views of the Admin Team?
Jaime? Broocie? Barry? Mark?
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I fail to see how you can not see the relevance
Apart from it being years ago, and I wasn't on the moderation team..... how was it anything to do with me? as far as I remember it was dealt with by H21. crime done, time done. over, history.
You provoked a member who was doing nothing wrong, and hadn't for a long time. I moderated as I saw fit at the time.
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I fail to see how you can not see the relevance
Apart from it being years ago, and I wasn't on the moderation team..... how was it anything to do with me? as far as I remember it was dealt with by H21. crime done, time done. over, history.
You provoked a member who was doing nothing wrong, and hadn't for a long time. I moderated as I saw fit at the time.
No you did not, you reacted as you are the husband of Ljay
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Personally, I think its good that Admins aren't visible, as I've seen before that those wishing to cause trouble waiting until no Admins are online
:-X
Bit of a contradiction there TB. If you`re saying that troublemakers will "strike" when no admin are showing as online, stay out of stealth mode and by your line of thinking troublemakers won`t strike, seemples
The way I see it is people don't know when admins are online, rather than completely advertising none are.
Do you think its an issue?
Not when is got (+1 hidden) at the top of the page. Does seem are rather pointless way of being (hidden) though tbh.
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ok we seem to be banging heads again.
What are the views of the Admin Team?
Jaime? Broocie? Barry? Mark?
Speaking purely 100% as a member, not an Administrator here, Ljay overreacted to a simple tit-for-tat reply. I thought Jimbob overreacted to the non-incident, potentially due to other pressures, creating an incident out of nothing.
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Personally, I think its good that Admins aren't visible, as I've seen before that those wishing to cause trouble waiting until no Admins are online
:-X
Bit of a contradiction there TB. If you`re saying that troublemakers will "strike" when no admin are showing as online, stay out of stealth mode and by your line of thinking troublemakers won`t strike, seemples
The way I see it is people don't know when admins are online, rather than completely advertising none are.
Do you think its an issue?
Not when is got (+1 hidden) at the top of the page. Does seem are rather pointless way of being (hidden) though tbh.
As said, thats a functionality difference between the old and new software that is (a long way down) on my list of things to fix. But seems people see stealth as a far bigger problem than I ever thought it could be? :-\
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I speak from the sidelines in the sense of knowing nobody on OOF personally.
With the amount of members there are coming from all parts of the world, cultures, backgrounds, upbringing, beliefs ...... there is always room for arguments. That is of course, if people continue not to accept others have different views, opinions and beliefs on any particular subjects.
Acceptance is what is needed. Everybody needs to accept that people will have different likes and dislikes. Some will repeatedly come up with the old boring cliches, some will spout their political views strongly, whilst others love or hate the royal family. You cannot and will not change someones opinion. It is up to them to change it if they choose to. And frankly, why the hell would you want to change someone's opinion? So they agree and support you? Because you feel so strongly about the given subject so everybody should feel the same? NO.
The Loo-knee, Jimbo thing. It ain't resolved. So, those directly involved need to sort it. Or not. That's their choice. And the rest of us need to stay the hell out of the way. It's nothing to do with us, even if you know one or more of the people personally. No reason why anybody should be naffed off except those involved. If others feel strongly about it, stay away from GenDiss and just consult OOF when you need car help.
There are lots of better things to be doing, and perhaps more pressing things to be concerned about, than worrying about the views of somebody you may have never even met.
Personally, I am not particulary patriotic, not particulary interested in the royal family and don't really care what happens in British politics as I don't live there. As a result, I make a choice as to whether to get involved in discussions. That said if there are those that have opposite views, then great, good for them. We may not understand each other, or we may understand but not agree, but so what. Each to their own. I may be judged for those views. So what. I won't judge you though, that's my main point. Live and let live.
It has been said more than once. OOF is a great forum and credit due to the Admin / Mods who look after it, as well as the members who participate.
If you don't like the chat area, find another website to chat on.
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ok we seem to be banging heads again.
What are the views of the Admin Team?
Jaime? Broocie? Barry? Mark?
Speaking purely 100% as a member, not an Administrator here, Ljay overreacted to a simple tit-for-tat reply. I thought Jimbob overreacted to the non-incident, potentially due to other pressures, creating an incident out of nothing.
simples :y
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ok we seem to be banging heads again.
What are the views of the Admin Team?
Jaime? Broocie? Barry? Mark?
The genie appears to be out the bottle on this at long last.
Speaking as a member, not an admin, I feel Ljay should have been banned quite some time before she was due to her bullying methods and post contents to assorted members on a number of occassions prior to the ruccus in question. I cannot be botherered at this time to research particular examples but descisions were made on a collective admin level, more than once, in her favour in fear of making or creating a rift within a family containing a member of the admin team. What I will also say is her online persona is quite some way different to her face to face one and I am for one, glad to have made her aquaintance at meets but she and I did but heads, more than once, online and for that I am quite sad as it does not reflect her otherwise lovely nature. And I do mean that.
As to JB, I feel he made a wrong call at too short notice which was the proverbial fisrt spadefull into a hole. As the saga unfolded, he became deeper and deeper into said hole which was a difficult place to be, given personal and work/family circumstances.
I have no wish to air any further laundry in public, other than to say that subsequent descisions were made in the admin team as a whole and the resultant status is as a majority vote.
Personally, if the situation was to be redone with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, i would. in all honesty, be otherwise minded.
And on that note, I will say NOTHING further in this thread.
Damage done.
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ok we seem to be banging heads again.
What are the views of the Admin Team?
Jaime? Broocie? Barry? Mark?
as you know they took action to avoid it happening again with the rule "noone on the team can have an active partner on the forum."
what do you actually want? a hanging over one moderation decision?
dont forget it was your actions that kicked off the whole sorry affair.
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Jimbob, Ljay was impossible to get along with on some days here. She would blow up over nothing. She had to apologise to me on line on occasion iirc. There does come a point where there simply is no point trying to appease a person, as it's not possible, so people give up trying.
From what I saw, nothing anybody did that day was provocative. Nor was there, on any of the numerous other occasions when Ljay went warrior on here.
If Ljay was upset, only Ljay seems to know why. Hence, afaict, the bitter after taste generally. It's as if she was trying to cause I rift within oof. (I don't know that she was, it just appears that way from what was visible here)
It would appear that she has succeeded, "IF" that was the case.
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Speaking as a long standing member here, rather than a Moderator...
Is it me? Or has the 'fun' element gone from OOF? I used to come on here every time I had a spare 5 mins, and enjoy every second of it, whether it be interesting reads on the antics around those doing up cars, or just the chat having me rolling around on the floor, much to the amusement of Mrs TB.
Now, I seem to be struugling to find the energy and enthusiasm to even log on. Our stats show I'm not alone, as we have fewer online now.
So, whats gone wrong? And more importantly, what can we do?
Now, here's your chance for your say. As a moderator, I will do what I can to keep all post to this thread visible, unless its legally irresponsible to. Essentially, this thread will be left unmoderated.
So have your say - it may influence the futures of OOF :y
But please try to keep this one serious and on topic, else its a wasted opportunity. And I don't think we can afford to waste it ;)
Popcorn ready.
TheBoy
The Admin team still bickering. That's what's wrong. As this moment it is pretty much admin / mods chatting. Take it off the open forum please
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She has been banned. I think you can stop attacking her now.
its clear various people need to agree to disagree and move on.
As far as I am concerned there is nothing more to be said on the matter.
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What happened, and how it happened, is, to a great extent, no longer relevant IMHO.
What IS relevant can be summarised in a few words.
LK believes he was badly treated. JB believes he did the right thing, LJAY left the forum.
Now, I would love all three to attend a meet, sit in the far corner of the field on their own for 30 minutes with a beer and discuss/sort the problems out about how they feel about each other.
But it won't happen, views have become too entrenched, and that antagonism continues to spill over. Human nature being what it is .. each one wishes to be proved "right" and win the argument.
Actually, there can be no winner, everyone loses, and until all three get together and work out how to declare the matter a draw and closed, it will continue .... :(
and even now "points" are trying to be scored ..... :(
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What happened, and how it happened, is, to a great extent, no longer relevant IMHO.
What IS relevant can be summarised in a few words.
LK believes he was badly treated. JB believes he did the right thing, LJAY left the forum.
Now, I would love all three to attend a meet, sit in the far corner of the field on their own for 30 minutes with a beer and discuss/sort the problems out about how they feel about each other.
But it won't happen, views have become too entrenched, and that antagonism continues to spill over. Human nature being what it is .. each one wishes to be proved "right" and win the argument.
Actually, there can be no winner, everyone loses, and until all three get together and work out how to declare the matter a draw and closed, it will continue .... :(
I tend to agree Nige.
Ljay I don't have any problem with.
Jimbob I do.
I am happy that at long last some of the admin team have said what they thought. Perhaps this should have been the discussion that should have happened a few months ago instead of brushing in under the carpet as it were.
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Jimbob, with all respect mate you may well have made a bad call under pretty impossible circumstances, it's not like I haven't done something similar many times, I always throw my hand up if I have and admit it as it preserves self respect and often earns respect from others. Have a think on this one anyhow.
Daz... stop throwing dummies, you may get repetitive strain!! ;)
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Speaking as a long standing member here, rather than a Moderator...
Is it me? Or has the 'fun' element gone from OOF? I used to come on here every time I had a spare 5 mins, and enjoy every second of it, whether it be interesting reads on the antics around those doing up cars, or just the chat having me rolling around on the floor, much to the amusement of Mrs TB.
Now, I seem to be struugling to find the energy and enthusiasm to even log on. Our stats show I'm not alone, as we have fewer online now.
So, whats gone wrong? And more importantly, what can we do?
Now, here's your chance for your say. As a moderator, I will do what I can to keep all post to this thread visible, unless its legally irresponsible to. Essentially, this thread will be left unmoderated.
So have your say - it may influence the futures of OOF :y
But please try to keep this one serious and on topic, else its a wasted opportunity. And I don't think we can afford to waste it ;)
Popcorn ready.
TheBoy
The Admin team still bickering. That's what's wrong. As this moment it is pretty much admin / mods chatting. Take it off the open forum please
The Admin team are not bickering, Admins are different to Mods.
A Mod and Ex-Mod are doing the bickering.
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Personally, I think its good that Admins aren't visible, as I've seen before that those wishing to cause trouble waiting until no Admins are online
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Bit of a contradiction there TB. If you`re saying that troublemakers will "strike" when no admin are showing as online, stay out of stealth mode and by your line of thinking troublemakers won`t strike, seemples
The way I see it is people don't know when admins are online, rather than completely advertising none are.
Do you think its an issue?
Not when is got (+1 hidden) at the top of the page. Does seem are rather pointless way of being (hidden) though tbh.
As said, thats a functionality difference between the old and new software that is (a long way down) on my list of things to fix. But seems people see stealth as a far bigger problem than I ever thought it could be? :-\
I have the ability to also be in Stealth Mode on the HSV forum, but I never use it as I feel it distances me from the regular members.
I would much rather be seen as just a member & not someone that hides in the back ground waiting to pounce.
I also appear in the same colour as other members as not to also distance my self. I could go Admin colours, I just choose not to.
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Speaking as a long standing member here, rather than a Moderator...
Is it me? Or has the 'fun' element gone from OOF? I used to come on here every time I had a spare 5 mins, and enjoy every second of it, whether it be interesting reads on the antics around those doing up cars, or just the chat having me rolling around on the floor, much to the amusement of Mrs TB.
Now, I seem to be struugling to find the energy and enthusiasm to even log on. Our stats show I'm not alone, as we have fewer online now.
So, whats gone wrong? And more importantly, what can we do?
Now, here's your chance for your say. As a moderator, I will do what I can to keep all post to this thread visible, unless its legally irresponsible to. Essentially, this thread will be left unmoderated.
So have your say - it may influence the futures of OOF :y
But please try to keep this one serious and on topic, else its a wasted opportunity. And I don't think we can afford to waste it ;)
Popcorn ready.
TheBoy
The Admin team still bickering. That's what's wrong. As this moment it is pretty much admin / mods chatting. Take it off the open forum please
The Admin team are not bickering, Admins are different to Mods.
A Mod and Ex-Mod are doing the bickering.
Apologies. I stand corrected, but you got the essence of my message.
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Whats gone wrong ?
Imo quite a lot of whats gone wrong is self evident in this thread - and theres a pattern.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103479.0
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You wana know what's partially wrong with OOF???
Dragging up old squables doesn't help at all. Put it behind you & bury the hatchet.
I for one was sick of it the first time around & for a second time it's just NOT NEEDED.
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Whats gone wrong ?
Imo quite a lot of whats gone wrong is self evident in this thread - and theres a pattern.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103479.0
Go on.
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You wana know what's partially wrong with OOF???
Dragging up old squables doesn't help at all. Put it behind you & bury the hatchet.
I for one was sick of it the first time around & for a second time it's just NOT NEEDED.
Maybe Pete your right :y On the other hand though if it had happened to you, you may have felt differently.
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one question arises in my mind , if this debate is back again, will the admins change their decision(s)
depending on the answers of members.. if not, no point in posting or debating again.. :(
if yes, then I have my own views on that subject which I would like to share ..
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one question arises in my mind , if this debate is back again, will the admins change their decision(s)
depending on the answers of members.. if not, no point in posting or debating again.. :(
if yes, then I have my own views on that subject which I would like to share ..
Cem. Your comments, like those of numerous others, are always welcome. :y
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You wana know what's partially wrong with OOF???
Dragging up old squables doesn't help at all. Put it behind you & bury the hatchet.
I for one was sick of it the first time around & for a second time it's just NOT NEEDED.
Agreed but - its not been fully resolved to the satisfaction of either party or other OOFers.
Like many I didn't like Ljays's bullying tactics, didn't see a problem with DLK responding yawn to Ljay's posts (a response she had used herself), did see a problem with JB banning DLK (unfairly IMO). Upshot is Ljay "banned", DLK left and now back but not as a Mod and JB no change (no bollocking still a mod, but a bit more subdued)
Like many doesn't seem fair to me :(
I know its goin over old ground but a lot of OOFers are still unhappy over this situation.
ED- it will carry on festering
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Whats gone wrong ?
Imo quite a lot of whats gone wrong is self evident in this thread - and theres a pattern.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103479.0
Go on.
Reply 524, 3rd paragraph
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Whats gone wrong ?
Imo quite a lot of whats gone wrong is self evident in this thread - and theres a pattern.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103479.0
Go on.
Reply 524, 3rd paragraph
likewise though, Albs reply no 537 has a link to one of my threads. Hence my reply to him...? :)
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here is one of the subjects that should come at the top on this forum.
its all down to health and safety..this should be at the top before you talk about opening the bonnet...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=102690.0
the right kit for the job....i started this thread ages ago but it never sort of got finished, ie, comfirmed that thats the way
it needs to be sorted .
you cannot lift this car from a pair of stands and a cheap trolley jack from xx moter factors down the road...
well you can but when it fails ;YOU ARE DEAD;
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one question arises in my mind , if this debate is back again, will the admins change their decision(s)
depending on the answers of members.. if not, no point in posting or debating again.. :(
if yes, then I have my own views on that subject which I would like to share ..
Cem. Your comments, like those of numerous others, are always welcome. :y
thanks hotel21 :y
looking from a really far point , I think I can be more objective.. as I dont know any of you closely..
first a debate between members, mods, admins whatever, can always happen.. and is not the end of life..
it could be solved in a softer style I think but imo the decision was unexpected for me.. more than that
I think not only the members and also the forum lose some potential after that event..
I know admin team made the decision not only for this case as they know some previous events ..
now, some may agree , some may not..
honestly both Darth and Ljay had some previous practices which stirred up the forum but the final decision was overdose in my opinion..
you know my family are lawyers.. and I have seen numerous courts.. the judges generally try to make peace between sides but if they cant, they look at the point at who hit first..
Ok, I wont go any further.. I want to see all members between us.. I'm not sure banning someone forever solves the problems..
if it had, we wouldnt be still discussing it.. :-\
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The whole Daz/LJ thing to my mind was little more than banter. Daz posted a y@wn response which LJ had done quite a few times previously. Instead of being taken as a bit of ribbing it got blown out of proportion.
Jimbob to my mind acted out of haste. If there was any case to answer surely it should have been discussed by the admins then any punishment deemed necessary applied by Lord TuBy as chief admin.
But that's all in the past and chewing over it ad infinitum isn't going to get the forum back to it's previous form. Yes there is something not right, too many people seem over eager to play the keyboard warrior and disagree or simply argue for the sake of it.
I remember a few years ago it was mentioned that OOF was like a gentlemens club/officers mess. Polite conversation, quite a bit of humourous ribbing but everyone knew where to draw the line. That to me is the atmosphere we lost somewhere along the way, the line got redrawn then redrawn again till we find ourselves in the situation we are in now where the forum sometimes seems more like chucking out time down the town centre than a nice place to chat and have a laugh with friends.
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.................I remember a few years ago it was mentioned that OOF was like a gentlemens club/officers mess. Polite conversation, quite a bit of humourous ribbing but everyone knew where to draw the line. That to me is the atmosphere we lost somewhere along the way, the line got redrawn then redrawn again till we find ourselves in the situation we are in now where the forum sometimes seems more like chucking out time down the town centre than a nice place to chat and have a laugh with friends.
John, that alone has made me reply on a thread I said I wouldn't.
You are quite correct in your statement as snipped. :y
Not a class issue by any manner of means but examlifies somewhere that folks would like to be, where polite and gentle interaction was the norm as was genteel ribbing, swapping of urine samples and the like....
Pity it all got serious and PC. :'(
Do you mean that things drifted way out of line and need brought back in or what?
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The whole Daz/LJ thing to my mind was little more than banter. Daz posted a y@wn response which LJ had done quite a few times previously. Instead of being taken as a bit of ribbing it got blown out of proportion.
Jimbob to my mind acted out of haste. If there was any case to answer surely it should have been discussed by the admins then any punishment deemed necessary applied by Lord TuBy as chief admin.
But that's all in the past and chewing over it ad infinitum isn't going to get the forum back to it's previous form. Yes there is something not right, too many people seem over eager to play the keyboard warrior and disagree or simply argue for the sake of it.
I remember a few years ago it was mentioned that OOF was like a gentlemens club/officers mess. Polite conversation, quite a bit of humourous ribbing but everyone knew where to draw the line. That to me is the atmosphere we lost somewhere along the way, the line got redrawn then redrawn again till we find ourselves in the situation we are in now where the forum sometimes seems more like chucking out time down the town centre than a nice place to chat and have a laugh with friends.
very well said :y :y imho
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lots of relevant stuff
I think that, unfortunately in this case, there is no soft option. Those involved are quite entrenched in their respective viewpoint - always good to stand by your opinions - but sometimes you are quite simply wrong and need to take a deep breath, swallow, and spit out the magic words.....
..... I got it wrong.
That then clears a path for collective understanding of viewpoints, opens options for mutual respect and consideration of circumstances as well as a broad path to walk together into a new day.
To do that, in this case I think, is perhaps a bridge too far. :'(
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The whole Daz/LJ thing to my mind was little more than banter. Daz posted a y@wn response which LJ had done quite a few times previously. Instead of being taken as a bit of ribbing it got blown out of proportion.
Jimbob to my mind acted out of haste. If there was any case to answer surely it should have been discussed by the admins then any punishment deemed necessary applied by Lord TuBy as chief admin.
But that's all in the past and chewing over it ad infinitum isn't going to get the forum back to it's previous form. Yes there is something not right, too many people seem over eager to play the keyboard warrior and disagree or simply argue for the sake of it.
I remember a few years ago it was mentioned that OOF was like a gentlemens club/officers mess. Polite conversation, quite a bit of humourous ribbing but everyone knew where to draw the line. That to me is the atmosphere we lost somewhere along the way, the line got redrawn then redrawn again till we find ourselves in the situation we are in now where the forum sometimes seems more like chucking out time down the town centre than a nice place to chat and have a laugh with friends.
very well said :y :y imho
I agree, and didn't he use some posh words........ :D :y :y :y
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Reply 524, 3rd paragraph
Yep that sums it up :y
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Like you said B it got all serious and PC.
I think the hostile tones that you see in the name of discussion need to stop, to go back to the mess analogy arguments happen but at the end of the evening both sides share a drink and at worst agree to disagree.
Arguments in general chat seem to be more like trench warfare these days. I sometimes wonder if there are members who use the forum just to see how many people they can wind up in a night.
Pc is a totally different can of worms, to my mind it kills humour when people are scared to have a bit of fun for fear sombody's feelings will get hurt. Don't get me wrong I'm not advocating racism but we all need to learn to laugh at ourselves again.
So I don't really know, maybe reminding members that they've left primary school and are in the big grown up world now where people might say things they don't agree with but that doesn't mean they have a right to beat them up verbally or otherwise would help.
Finally to respond to the cliquey comments that invariably surface in a thread like this, yes there is a clique but all you need to do is join in.
We don't bite (well DLK does but only if you pay him first) try and attend a meet, it's a lot easier to chat to someone you've met in person and who knows you might make some friends in the bargain, I know I have.
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Like you said B it got all serious and PC.
I think the hostile tones that you see in the name of discussion need to stop, to go back to the mess analogy arguments happen but at the end of the evening both sides share a drink and at worst agree to disagree.
Arguments in general chat seem to be more like trench warfare these days. I sometimes wonder if there are members who use the forum just to see how many people they can wind up in a night.
Pc is a totally different can of worms, to my mind it kills humour when people are scared to have a bit of fun for fear sombody's feelings will get hurt. Don't get me wrong I'm not advocating racism but we all need to learn to laugh at ourselves again.
So I don't really know, maybe reminding members that they've left primary school and are in the big grown up world now where people might say things they don't agree with but that doesn't mean they have a right to beat them up verbally or otherwise would help.
Finally to respond to the cliquey comments that invariably surface in a thread like this, yes there is a clique but all you need to do is join in.
We don't bite (well DLK does but only if you pay him first) try and attend a meet, it's a lot easier to chat to someone you've met in person and who knows you might make some friends in the bargain, I know I have.
You are on form tonight John :y :y well said, and as for the clique, I have said the same myself, you want to join in then join in....... :y :y :y
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i think admin are on good form tonight too :y :y :y not that they do not have my full support anyway :y :y
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i think admin are on good form tonight too :y :y :y not that they do not have my full support anyway :y :y
Arse kisser. ;D
I do agree, lets hope this idea of Jaime's irons out the problems he hoped it would. I do for one :y
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i think admin are on good form tonight too :y :y :y not that they do not have my full support anyway :y :y
Arse kisser. ;D
I do agree, lets hope this idea of Jaime's irons out the problems he hoped it would. I do for one :y
http://youtu.be/dSJ8R9BVkMw
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i think admin are on good form tonight too :y :y :y not that they do not have my full support anyway :y :y
Arse kisser. ;D
I do agree, lets hope this idea of Jaime's irons out the problems he hoped it would. I do for one :y
http://youtu.be/dSJ8R9BVkMw
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Love it............. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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You wana know what's partially wrong with OOF???
Dragging up old squables doesn't help at all. Put it behind you & bury the hatchet.
I for one was sick of it the first time around & for a second time it's just NOT NEEDED.
Maybe Pete your right :y On the other hand though if it had happened to you, you may have felt differently.
I would feel differently. Though I'm one of those people that let things be if there's no way of changing the out come.
What's done is done. Forget it & move on
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The whole Daz/LJ thing to my mind was little more than banter. Daz posted a y@wn response which LJ had done quite a few times previously. Instead of being taken as a bit of ribbing it got blown out of proportion.
Jimbob to my mind acted out of haste. If there was any case to answer surely it should have been discussed by the admins then any punishment deemed necessary applied by Lord TuBy as chief admin.
I agree wholeheartedly, except for the last 6 words I've crossed out.
As I have said, I think it was a rash decision* made possibly with other pressures. IMHO it was a wrong decision. But, hell, we all make mistakes, nobody is perfect.
So the immediate Admin decision was to ban Jimbob whilst we discussed amongst ourselves what steps to take. By the time I was aware of the whole incident, Darth Loo-knee's ban was due to expire in a short while, so we let that take its natural route.
I was forwarded all the PMs by DLK and LJ in this incident, which I shared with my fellow Administrators.
Unfortunately, without access to a private chat area (we only have a Moderator area, and inappropriate to discuss there) we resorted to trying to discuss this via PM, which wasn't ideal, and is long winded. We are all online at different times of day, so a new query/idea raised would take at least 24hrs to get a full reply to, and being via PMs, any structure in the conversation was lost. In hindsight, we should have come up with a better way of discussing it.
This means that it took about a week to have a fairly simple discussion and vote, and certainly I felt pressured to resolve it ASAP from the PMs from people not involved about when it was going to be resolved. However, to me, it was important we had a unilateral agreement amongst the Administrators, which wasn't the case on the first vote.
With my (unusually) rose tinted specs, I'd say I probably championed Jimbob's return. I'll be honest, and say I honestly thought Jimbob would see, what was IMHO, the error of this ways, and offer an apology for a misjudgement. I realised that was unlikely to happen when, after and Administrator only vote to give Loo-knee his Mod status back (unilaterally agreed on first vote), I had a PM from JB about it. It was clear we both saw things differently. This actually reminded me of the Admin Team meeting we had at one of the meets to discuss bringing a new Mod on board, and JB being against DLK, and within minutes of that meeting ending, LJ coming over and telling me what a bad idea that was (assumed JB had told her straight away). In hindsight, we should have taken into consideration the (now) obvious personality clash between JB/LJ v DLK :-[
So, we were at a point where viewpoints were not going to change, and all parties thought they were in the right. Nothing actually wrong with some (one?) of the Admin Team seeing something from a different angle, we can't all agree on everything, and sometimes we have to agree to disagree. Although I found some of the attitudes made me angry, and I really had more pressing problems to deal with outside of OOF, partly as a result of the accident I had in Feb. I probably hoped the disagreement would go away, clearly it hasn't, and there are a fair few long standing members who are still very angry over the entire incident.
Knowing what I think I know now, JB and/or LJ (I struggle to tell their views apart sometimes - they often are as one) were looking for opportunities to be rid of DLK. That said, DLK must have known he would get a reaction, although it wasn't exactly bullying as claimed IMHO. Its a shame, as I know DLK and LK used to be, I believe, very good friends, having shared similar close family loses at similar times.
Personally, this one incident aside, I've never had any disagreements with JB. I've never had any disagreements with DLK. I've had a fair few with LJ, mainly online, where I think she comes across all wrong, and gets frustrated about not being able to get her point over very well. Face to face, LJ strikes me as a lovely, fun-loving lady. All 3 are what I used to call good friends, and as any OOF good friend of mine knows, that puts them in the firing line, not sure why** >:(
* Again, with the benefit of hindsight, it seems obvious these members/mods were not getting along, which may not have helped matters much.
** But I have my suspicions >:(
PS: There is no chief admin, all 4 Administrators are equal ;)
I remember a few years ago it was mentioned that OOF was like a gentlemens club/officers mess. Polite conversation, quite a bit of humourous ribbing but everyone knew where to draw the line. That to me is the atmosphere we lost somewhere along the way, the line got redrawn then redrawn again till we find ourselves in the situation we are in now where the forum sometimes seems more like chucking out time down the town centre than a nice place to chat and have a laugh with friends.
That perfectly sums everything up completely.
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wow quite a lot of post`s over the past 24 hrs, one question how long is a mod a mod for??? is there a election system?? if not why not , shouldent every member have a chance to vote for a mod??
so main reason that oof s at a low is the dlk/lj/jb conflict,send a task force. :)
the problem i see having read the thread is this"problem between dlk and lj . jb should not have got involved as mod he should have passed to other mod or admin" if he or lj had prob with what dlk had said,but remember lj has uesd exactly same words to others! i know that its the man thing protect your woman ect.
and if what jb says the mod button was pressed whay did a mod or admin not contact him sooner??
if it was my call i would reinstate lj with a warning re future conduct and have mods elected every two years
i might be wrong with my thoughts but hell there honest
pete
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so main reason that oof s at a low is the dlk/lj/jb conflict
I think its just one of many.
I think some members also have a tolerance problem here.
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and if what jb says the mod button was pressed whay did a mod or admin not contact him sooner??
The mod button was pressed. I know I for one responded by checking that thread. I concluded that there was a harmless playground spat ensuing and no action was required.
The bottom line, IMHO, is that any moderator who finds themselves considering action against another moderator really ought to be able to talk to them privately to agree a way forwards rather than take public action that undermines the whole team, especially where they are in a situation where they might not view the situation impartially.
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At risk of strengthening the clique 'issue', could certain things be dealt with at the meets :-\
Would it work to have an AGM at Newent for example? Just a thought given that actually meeting people face to face adds a whole new level to the cyberspace relationship that we have on here :y
As various people, Vamps, Cap'n Zok, myself included have said several times over... There's no substitute for sharing a beer with like minded aquaintances whilst talking blocks around a bbq :y
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At risk of strengthening the clique 'issue', could certain things be dealt with at the meets
Would it work to have an AGM at Newent for example? Just a thought given that actually meeting people face to face adds a whole new level to the cyberspace relationship that we have on here
As various people, Vamps, Cap'n Zok, myself included have said several times over... There's no substitute for sharing a beer with like minded aquaintances whilst talking blocks around a bbq
Ill raise a pint to that :y :) 8)
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Still 669 replies and 45 pages shy of that Bus thread ::)
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As Kevin says......
The mod button was pressed. I know I for one responded by checking that thread. I concluded that there was a harmless playground spat ensuing and no action was required.
And, given the mod moderating a mod thing, in my opinion, it should not have been done without some consultation, confirmation or similar.
As I have already said in the distant depths of this thread or the alert mod thread, just because something isn't seen to be done/deleted/moderated does not mean that's it's already been thought through and left alone because it needs no further action.
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I see this is still causing unrest, for some reason...
As I see it, this is what happened, and how I dealt with it, and the after repercussions.
A lot of this is from (distant) memory, so please forgive recollection omissions etc.
Loo-knee responded to a thread with terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired, It was unclear as to who this was aimed, I thought the OP (tidla) initially as it was another 'whats up with OOF' thread. I found this highly disrespectful and not the behavior I would expect from a mod. It later transpired it was only aimed purely at Ljay.
Ljay attempted to resolve the issue privately, but was met by similar one word answers to PM's.
She also used the alert mod function, as is anyones right when they are not happy.
Several hours later, I acted on the alert, as noone else had, and issued a 24 hour ban to loo-knee with the ban message explaining which rule I was banning for.
imho he had used his comments purely to stir things up, and to provoke a reaction. It would appear he really didnt like the reaction he got.
The fact Ljay is my wife is irrelevant, I would have acted the same whoever had used the alert mod.
As to the punishment of a 24 hour ban....Many of us have been banned for far longer, and imho for far less, or instance I was banned for several days for merely mentioning I had downloaded a game, and I know many other bans have been issued for things like air freshener mentions etc. For these reasons I think he massively over reacted.
If he hadnt, by his own admission, been deliberately provocative, none of this would have happened. He believes however he has done nothing wrong.
As for me being scott free.....I was banned for over a week, Ljay has been banned permanently for doing nothing wrong. Personally I don't feel that is scott free. I know some feel she had done similar things in the past, that is totally irrelevant, the alert mod has been there for use, and it had been used against her in the past for which she had received warnings. So totally irrelevant to this. Quite what punishment you see fit I am not sure, as this place is hard work and takes hours of our time. To sort each few new maintenance guides takes over an hour for example. Its far easier to not be here than to help of the running of it.
As far as I am concerned, there is nothing more to be said. It is done, History.
Whenever OOF is debated, there is always a current 'gripe of the moment' I believe this is the current one, previous examples being too much politics, too much soft porn, too many jokes etc etc etc.
my point is why did no one in the mod/admin team as it appears contact jb to give an answer but just let it ride
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just to be clear to every one im not on any ones side just trying to understand how and why this happend ,so to try not to have it happen again,so i see my idea of elections for mods hasent got a responce yet :-\ never mind only an idea thats all :y
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my point is why did no one in the mod/admin team as it appears contact jb to give an answer but just let it ride
The answer to that one is that it's not always recorded that a mod / admin has acted on an alert, depending on how any moderation was applied, yet the same alert goes to all of us, so it's commonplace for us to see an alert, and yet see nothing wrong in the thread because it's either already been moderated or no action is truly required. We wouldn't therefore have known that the thread in its' current state was viewed as problematic by jb.
My opinion, and only that, is that jb should have appreciated that banning another mod is an action not to be taken without discussion with the rest of the team, and that, given his relationship with Ljay, he was at risk of not taking an impartial view of the situation. Both reasons to defer to another member of the team, IMHO.
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Having said the above, further navel gazing will do no good IMHO. We have to learn from what happened and move on.
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my point is why did no one in the mod/admin team as it appears contact jb to give an answer but just let it ride
The answer to that one is that it's not always recorded that a mod / admin has acted on an alert, depending on how any moderation was applied, yet the same alert goes to all of us, so it's commonplace for us to see an alert, and yet see nothing wrong in the thread because it's either already been moderated or no action is truly required. We wouldn't therefore have known that the thread in its' current state was viewed as problematic by jb.
My opinion, and only that, is that jb should have appreciated that banning another mod is an action not to be taken without discussion with the rest of the team, and that, given his relationship with Ljay, he was at risk of not taking an impartial view of the situation. Both reasons to defer to another member of the team, IMHO.
thanks for that Kevin your last parragraph is my sentiments exactly, so may be the mods need a system to show that a mod or admin has seen said alert with action taken ect
pete
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just a quick one ,i know my status says junior member ,but have been a member of oof from 17 /7/2006 so am an original member sort of lol
just dont post much thats all
just in case people were wondering :y
pete
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just a quick one ,i know my status says junior member ,but have been a member of oof from 17 /7/2006 so am an original member sort of lol
just dont post much thats all
just in case people were wondering :y
pete
Shouldn't matter when you joined or how high your count is,you are a member thus entitled to your opinion/say :y :y
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You could all just get a life. Problem solved. Next one.
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The only two people that this spat really affects is Jimbob and Daz, why does it have to affect the rest of us? I stopped caring about this about 2 minutes after it happened...
The admins do a great job IMO, a better, more tolerant bunch would be hard to find anywhere I reckon, especially when you think they do it in their own time. Everybody makes mistakes, and I think every single one of them has admitted this about 50 times each now, so I fail to see what progress we're going to make on this thread until we all just leave it be
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You could all just get a life. Problem solved. Next one.
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The only two people that this spat really affects is Jimbob and Daz, why does it have to affect the rest of us? I stopped caring about this about 2 minutes after it happened...
The admins do a great job IMO, a better, more tolerant bunch would be hard to find anywhere I reckon, especially when you think they do it in their own time. Everybody makes mistakes, and I think every single one of them has admitted this about 50 times each now, so I fail to see what progress we're going to make on this thread until we all just leave it be
Seems a fair view too Jc, but there seems / appears to be some apprehension and concern over the two main meets where, personally, I would hope we can enjoy the usuall antics without any hostile atmosphere or worrys over all this. Numbers are down and apart from anything else, moving on has been tried. But sadly hadn't helped.
Over a bear and possibly "a wee dram" ... I hope to be able to shake the hands of those involved in a field somewhere this year. Fingers crossed. :)
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I'll still be trying to make both the Lakes meet and Newent. I would love it if Daz, James, LJay and the family can make it too as I get on with all of them and as far as I can remember they've been to all of the previous meets, but that's entirely up to them. I don't go to the meets just to see a particular person I go to see everyone and have a laugh, relax and have a few beers with friends and I hope that continues for years to come :y
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You could all just get a life. Problem solved. Next one.
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The only two people that this spat really affects is Jimbob and Daz, why does it have to affect the rest of us? I stopped caring about this about 2 minutes after it happened...
The admins do a great job IMO, a better, more tolerant bunch would be hard to find anywhere I reckon, especially when you think they do it in their own time. Everybody makes mistakes, and I think every single one of them has admitted this about 50 times each now, so I fail to see what progress we're going to make on this thread until we all just leave it be
Seems a fair view too Jc, but there seems / appears to be some apprehension and concern over the two main meets where, personally, I would hope we can enjoy the usuall antics without any hostile atmosphere or worrys over all this. Numbers are down and apart from anything else, moving on has been tried. But sadly hadn't helped.
Over a bear and possibly "a wee dram" ... I hope to be able to shake the hands of those involved in a field somewhere this year. Fingers crossed. :)
If you shake hands over a bear you'd better be a good runner fatty. ;D
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i thought they would get on well together they can both be grizzly ::)
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just had a picture in my mind of poor bob dent trying to barbeque a bear :o :D ;D ;D
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i thought they would get on well together they can both be grizzly ::)
Who`s who :D :y
(http://www.oceanlight.com/stock-photo/brown-bears-fighting-photo-17036-136153.jpg)
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just had a picture in my mind of poor bob dent trying to barbeque a bear :o :D ;D ;D
;D ;D
Add up all the meat I cooked at a couple of the big meets and it probably equates to a couple of bears dissected into burgers! ::) ;D
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i thought they would get on well together they can both be grizzly ::)
Who`s who :D :y
(http://www.oceanlight.com/stock-photo/brown-bears-fighting-photo-17036-136153.jpg)
gotta be the one on the left looks like its got a good roar on it :y
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Still a very long thread this one.
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You could all just get a life. Problem solved. Next one.
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The only two people that this spat really affects is Jimbob and Daz, why does it have to affect the rest of us? I stopped caring about this about 2 minutes after it happened...
The admins do a great job IMO, a better, more tolerant bunch would be hard to find anywhere I reckon, especially when you think they do it in their own time. Everybody makes mistakes, and I think every single one of them has admitted this about 50 times each now, so I fail to see what progress we're going to make on this thread until we all just leave it be
Seems a fair view too Jc, but there seems / appears to be some apprehension and concern over the two main meets where, personally, I would hope we can enjoy the usuall antics without any hostile atmosphere or worrys over all this. Numbers are down and apart from anything else, moving on has been tried. But sadly hadn't helped.
Over a bear and possibly "a wee dram" ... I hope to be able to shake the hands of those involved in a field somewhere this year. Fingers crossed. :)
If you shake hands over a bear you'd better be a good runner fatty. ;D
Oh boll@x... Again! ;D
Maybe I should sign the crapple spell checker up as a member here, it gets a better laugh than I do. :-[ ;D
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As TB said, it took overly long via PM's between the Admins to discuss the situation, it's not like at work, where you can sit eveyone around a table and thrash it out.
I, and I know all the other Admins spent a lot of their precious time sorting this problem out, to the detrement of other more important things in our lives.
It may have appeared to one and all, nothing was happening, but I can assure you it was.
I find it sad that all things being equal, people who have a common interest, cannot get of with each other.
You don't have to be best of mates with everyone, someone may not be your cup of tea, but at least try to get on with them, it doesn't hurt, and it isn't as though you have to put up with them 24/7.
Leg pulling is one thing, conflict is another.
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As TB said, it took overly long via PM's between the Admins to discuss the situation, it's not like at work, where you can sit eveyone around a table and thrash it out.
I, and I know all the other Admins spent a lot of their precious time sorting this problem out, to the detrement of other more important things in our lives.
It may have appeared to one and all, nothing was happening, but I can assure you it was.
I find it sad that all things being equal, people who have a common interest, cannot get of with each other.
You don't have to be best of mates with everyone, someone may not be your cup of tea, but at least try to get on with them, it doesn't hurt, and it isn't as though you have to put up with them 24/7.
Leg pulling is one thing, conflict is another.
Couldn't agree more. :y
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As TB said, it took overly long via PM's between the Admins to discuss the situation, it's not like at work, where you can sit eveyone around a table and thrash it out.
I, and I know all the other Admins spent a lot of their precious time sorting this problem out, to the detrement of other more important things in our lives.
It may have appeared to one and all, nothing was happening, but I can assure you it was.
I find it sad that all things being equal, people who have a common interest, cannot get of with each other.
You don't have to be best of mates with everyone, someone may not be your cup of tea, but at least try to get on with them, it doesn't hurt, and it isn't as though you have to put up with them 24/7.
Leg pulling is one thing, conflict is another.
:o For the record, I am holding no grudges here and just trying to get on with things...
No way am I getting off with him though ;D ;D ;D
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Baaahaha crapple spell checker strikes again. ;D
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It sounds like there is no moderator only section of the forum here.
On TC (same software as OOF) we have a "Mod Chat" section which is invisible to those without moderator/admin privelages. That way if the mods need to have a discussion about a particular member or issue we can do so much more easily.
It should take no more than a few mins to set up on here and by the sound of it would save alot of time and grief!
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It sounds like there is no moderator only section of the forum here.
On TC (same software as OOF) we have a "Mod Chat" section which is invisible to those without moderator/admin privelages. That way if the mods need to have a discussion about a particular member or issue we can do so much more easily.
It should take no more than a few mins to set up on here and by the sound of it would save alot of time and grief!
/Panto mode
Oh yes there is
/Panto off
What we lack is an Administrator/owner only section. Maybe its needed.
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To me some good seems to be happening with this thread :y
Things have gone wrong that seem to be out in the open now and discussed freely.
A lesson learned here? A stronger forum maybe?
I must add in my view Ljay should be given the option too return. If she decides not to thats her choice.
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This has been an interesting thread :y Like they say.. it`s good to talk :y Just a suggestion, but what about a monthly prize draw for, say for instance, an OOF air freshner :D ( takes note of post count and runs.... )
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To me some good seems to be happening with this thread :y
Things have gone wrong that seem to be out in the open now and discussed freely.
A lesson learned here? A stronger forum maybe?
I must add in my view Ljay should be given the option too return. If she decides not to thats her choice.
:y
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To me some good seems to be happening with this thread :y
Things have gone wrong that seem to be out in the open now and discussed freely.
A lesson learned here? A stronger forum maybe?
I must add in my view Ljay should be given the option too return. If she decides not to thats her choice.
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:y :y tend to agree with you there daz :y :y :y
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To me some good seems to be happening with this thread :y
Things have gone wrong that seem to be out in the open now and discussed freely.
A lesson learned here? A stronger forum maybe?
I must add in my view Ljay should be given the option too return. If she decides not to thats her choice.
Well said,.... but also, you, JB and LJAY should meet, talk, and have a beer. You can, and probably will, still disagree over the matter, but simply not agreeing is very, very different from an all out war !!
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To me some good seems to be happening with this thread :y
Things have gone wrong that seem to be out in the open now and discussed freely.
A lesson learned here? A stronger forum maybe?
I must add in my view Ljay should be given the option too return. If she decides not to thats her choice.
Well said,.... but also, you, JB and LJAY should meet, talk, and have a beer. You can, and probably will, still disagree over the matter, but simply not agreeing is very, very different from an all out war !!
It would be great if it could happen ;) It seems a real shame that neither James, Laura and family or Daz are planning to attend the meets (or that's how it seems ;)) when they have all attended so many of them ;) The past cannon be changed, but an agreement to "get on with it" would be great :y
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I think the point has already been made, but just to re-iterate, I think a lot of issues arise due to the written word not being interpreted in the same way it would be were it to be spoken. Hearing tone of voice and seeing body language counts for so so much.
I will openly say this - and I don't think they will mind one bit - Take H21 for an example. I think we quite often misinterpret each others posts, and subsequently disagree, in the forum environment. Yet on the (fair few) times we've met in person, Eg on one of our scottish holidays, the Telford meet, I think a Lakes meet.... we will chit chat, have a beverage, and get on absolutely fine with no misunderstanding at all.
TB's the same. I find him (or should I Say, his writing style) as blunt as a desert spoon on the forum. If I didn't know the chap personally, I would think I'd offended him. When we've been working on a car together, (Changing tractor gearboxes) and taking the piss out of each other (and tunnie!) with lots of laughts, it is a much more accurate representaion of the relationship/friendship/dynamic/whatever you want to call it.
I don't think that can be displayed on a forum in the same way. Maybe we just need to accept that?
I personally am keen to re-kindle some old friendships on this forum, especially as I will soon only be living a stones throw away from a lot of members, in Bucks!
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Still a very long thread this one.
Perhaps you would like to share with us your thoughts, and it's still smaller than the bus thread...... :y
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Highly unlikely for us to be attending any upcoming meets on Laura's health grounds...
and probably Harry's too given he is in for surgery at around the same time. :'(
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Highly unlikely for us to be attending any upcoming meets on Laura's health grounds...
and probably Harry's too given he is in for surgery at around the same time. :'(
All the very best of luck with the family Jimbob. :'(
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Thinking of You Laura & the Little'un at what must be a very stressful time Jimbob. Best Wishes from Myself & Sylvia :-*
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Highly unlikely for us to be attending any upcoming meets on Laura's health grounds...
and probably Harry's too given he is in for surgery at around the same time. :'(
Understandable James. I can certainly sympathise with Laura (as you know) and hope that things get sorted. Although I still have issues with my back (and, in the words of the surgeon, probably always will unless the decision is made for some very major surgery) it is no where near as bad as it was. Yes I'm still on painkillers, but not like I was ;) It can get better is what I'm trying to say :y
I wish both of them the very best for the treatment and a speedy recovery :y
And it's still sad that it will mean you can't attend the meets ;)
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Still a very long thread this one.
Perhaps you would like to share with us your thoughts, and it's still smaller than the bus thread...... :y
Not happening, all that is being discussed is things and spats from the distant past and thats not something I personaly can see any point in doing.
Whats happened has happened and there is zero point in keep dredging up old crap.
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Thanks for all the well wishes :)
Finally got somewhere with the NHS after losing her in the system and she is getting an MRI scan tomorrow evening.
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Thanks for all the well wishes :)
Finally got somewhere with the NHS after losing her in the system and she is getting an MRI scan tomorrow evening.
Good news :y Although my MRI didn't show up the problem >:( >:( If it had the course of action would probably have been different ::)
Has she been told to take a music CD in? Be worth taking one "just in case" :y
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good idea...no had no info, all sketchy over the phone after her GP kicked off at the hosp for losing her and demanded an urgent scan.
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Thanks for all the well wishes :)
Finally got somewhere with the NHS after losing her in the system and she is getting an MRI scan tomorrow evening.
although late , please tell her my best wishes :y
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Highly unlikely for us to be attending any upcoming meets on Laura's health grounds...
and probably Harry's too given he is in for surgery at around the same time. :'(
Hi Jimbob, hope everything works out fine, the ops go well and nothing to serious.
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Who keeps digging that Dundee fella up?
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U still alive u old beggar ;D ;D
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U still alive u old beggar ;D ;D
....and kicking mate :y
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U still alive u old beggar ;D ;D
....and kicking mate :y
Have missed u so much, but just have'nt had the time lately, u still using the k-y gel ::)
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U still alive u old beggar ;D ;D
....and kicking mate :y
Have missed u so much, but just have'nt had the time lately, u still using the k-y gel ::)
Yes. I'm still in the 'clique'. ;D
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U still alive u old beggar ;D ;D
....and kicking mate :y
Have missed u so much, but just have'nt had the time lately, u still using the k-y gel ::)
Yes. I'm still in the 'clique'. ;D
But apparantley you upset Albs recently for changing from k to y gel, at least thats what a pm from vamps and broocie indicates :-\
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Having read through the posts relating to the subject,most members would prefer the forum to be to be where they find answers to omega problems,but the forum has been evolving into a more social network that allows us to let off our frustrations of the day whether it with cars or the weather.
So IMHO there is no need to instigate any changes the system caters for that. ::) ???
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copied to more appropriate thread from www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103914.0
I would have loved to be there but I am still thinking and can't get past what has happened to the forum over the past few months. What happened should have been nipped in the bud. It wasn't and someone was punished and forced into 'resigning' which would have been a great loss to many of us who rely on him and his great skill, knowledge and willingness to help. It was needless and probably due to the sheer spite of one member in particular who thankfully is no longer present. I faced the same vitriol from the same corner at an earlier point in time so speak from experience.
If I get banned for these comments it will only serve to prove that my thoughts are correct.
Maybe next time the 'court' will be an open one and the members allowed to decide because it is after all..........our club.
hey Bionic...
Not resurrecting your 'other' account to add weight to your arguments again?
Yes, Ive not forgotten your bullying tactics.
Our club? No. You will find its the Admin Team's club, and everyone else are guests.
For the record, as far as I am aware, everything has been dealt with and all have moved on, and only 1 person was forced into anything. She is no longer here. Raking this up at any opportunity is not helpful at all.
I am posting this openly and not as a PM because I feel that the comments made in the response to my post were unjustified.
Nothing was 'raked' up to be nasty or malicious, it was my personal honest and fair comment on how I feel about attending the meet and my reasons for that feeling. I expected a response in the same vein as mine, a fair one.
The response to the post has only served to prove that my feelings are justified. Strange though how the bit about my wife was raked up too. She quit because of the responses to me being on the receiving end of bullying too by that same person who it appears possibly had a protected position until the actions became far too out of control and caused the uproar that then began. Why were those comments not seen before the posts were posted? Same situation as me possibly because I too was unaware of what my wife had posted in a vain attempt to support me until I read it later and had I seen it prior to its posting I would have stopped it being posted.
Surely some of the main qualities expected in a moderator would be those of diplomacy, impartiality and also fairness for everyone regardless of their standing?
I also find it a little suspicious you are using this as an excuse not to attend the lakes when you have been a member for 5 years and have never shown any interest in any meets until this point.
So, you believe it is ok for you to rake things up about a past member, but I am not allowed to do the same. (FYI I have reread the thread in which you (and your alleged wife) launched a joint unprovoked attack at her when she was just bantering with STMO as they often did.
Ljay is no longer here to defend herself, so I will do it for her when I feel it is necessary, as I do in this case as I feel you are being deliberately malicious and never had any intention of attending, and you have just jumped on a bandwagon to try and spread more bad feeling again.
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Quote from: Jimbob on Yesterday at 08:01:08
hey Bionic...
Not resurrecting your 'other' account to add weight to your arguments again?
Yes, Ive not forgotten your bullying tactics.
Our club? No. You will find its the Admin Team's club, and everyone else are guests.
For the record, as far as I am aware, everything has been dealt with and all have moved on, and only 1 person was forced into anything. She is no longer here. Raking this up at any opportunity is not helpful at all.
jimbob i must disagree with the comment you made about whos club /forum it is.
yes the mods and admin may run things but its for the members,no members there would be no need for mods or admin!!!!!! so please remember the members are members guests just show as guests have a look at whos online thought you would have known that being Boss mod and all
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Quote from: Jimbob on Yesterday at 08:01:08
hey Bionic...
Not resurrecting your 'other' account to add weight to your arguments again?
Yes, Ive not forgotten your bullying tactics.
Our club? No. You will find its the Admin Team's club, and everyone else are guests.
For the record, as far as I am aware, everything has been dealt with and all have moved on, and only 1 person was forced into anything. She is no longer here. Raking this up at any opportunity is not helpful at all.
jimbob i must disagree with the comment you made about whos club /forum it is.
yes the mods and admin may run things but its for the members,no members there would be no need for mods or admin!!!!!! so please remember the members are members guests just show as guests have a look at whos online thought you would have known that being Boss mod and all
Agreed - suprised Jimbob, as a moderator, you would say that. Guess your attitude explains a lot ??? ??? :(
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to clarify....I dont count myself as admin team, but a helper :y
point being a club takes a lot of running, resources and staff to do it.
ie, the admin team (4 members), who fund it, make all the decisions, decide software, hardware, hosting, mods, helpers, etc
in my opinion, it is their club, of which we are all welcome guests. Their club, their rules, their decisions.
in a way, yes it is everybodys club, as we are all members, but it does have 'owners'
not quiet sure what is being insinuated tbh.
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you are as it says a" Global Moderator" how can you say you are "just a helper" is it not true you have the power to move posts moderate and also ban "members"??
a helper does not have all these powers.
as to your comment quote:not quite sure what is being insinuated tbh un quote
think you should take a step back and read what you have writen in response to other posts , and then tell me what you would think if any of the posts you have writtern had been directed at you....... dont bother answering that you would have hit the ban button as your just helping out,sounds very much like do as i say dont do as i do.not botherd what has happend in the past as you will see if you bother to read what i have said on ljay subject (i said reinstate her and warning on feature behveure)as i would with any member who sent abusive mesages not going to get in a slaging match over thats past now but tbh jimbob as i said above think you should take a step
back and look at how you come across to people
TB can you let us all know as you are the daddy is it a club or forum as very different animals
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you are as it says a" Global Moderator" how can you say you are "just a helper" is it not true you have the power to move posts moderate and also ban "members"??
a helper does not have all these powers.
as to your comment quote:not quite sure what is being insinuated tbh un quote
think you should take a step back and read what you have writen in response to other posts , and then tell me what you would think if any of the posts you have writtern had been directed at you....... dont bother answering that you would have hit the ban button as your just helping out,sounds very much like do as i say dont do as i do.not botherd what has happend in the past as you will see if you bother to read what i have said on ljay subject (i said reinstate her and warning on feature behveure)as i would with any member who sent abusive mesages not going to get in a slaging match over thats past now but tbh jimbob as i said above think you should take a step
back and look at how you come across to people
TB can you let us all know as you are the daddy is it a club or forum as very different animals
Omega Owners Forum Self-explanatory ???
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yep thats what i thought :y
not an old boys club
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to clarify....I dont count myself as admin team, but a helper :y
point being a club takes a lot of running, resources and staff to do it.
ie, the admin team (4 members), who fund it, make all the decisions, decide software, hardware, hosting, mods, helpers, etc
in my opinion, it is their club, of which we are all welcome guests. Their club, their rules, their decisions.
in a way, yes it is everybodys club, as we are all members, but it does have 'owners'
not quiet sure what is being insinuated tbh.
Yes, I would agree with you there James.
In my view this Forum has been raised, funded and maintained by the Administrators - whether or not all were present at its geneses is irrelevant, but the four people presently occupying the position of Administrator have complete control over how when and why this Forum operates.
The people who decide to become members are, providing they supply certain information for verification purposes and agree to behave within the (very generous) framework of rules, granted the privilege of being able to post and to reply to topics and contact one another by means of private message - nothing more.
Guests have merely have ability to read the information posted and avail themselves of a free database of information concerning the maintenance of Omega vehicles and many other things unconnected with road vehicles.
Of course the success of this Forum results from the diverse nature of the membership and I think that fact has made it a resounding success so, in essence, the core of this forum lies within the membership, the moderators, the technical contributors and the posters of the weird and wonderful but, insofar as executive decisions are concerned, the only people who have the ability to generate strategic change are, in my view, the Administrators - in effect the owners.
From a personal perspective I am very glad that the Administrators take the time to provide the framework that keeps this Forum alive and of so much relevance to so many people.
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One more thought for those who want take a pop at James - he is giving his time to help moderate this Forum (as is Kevin Wood), a task many would not be bothered with: In doing so both he - and Kevin – have my wholehearted support and thanks.
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re-reading through the 600+ posts in this thread, and the odd post that pops up in other threads, I am rapidly coming to several conclusions .. none of which are particularly palatable ...
1) There is a small core of "members" who appear to want the forum to fail, and will stir the pot by deliberately taking offence and causing animosity
2) There is a small core of "members" who are anti-JB - for whatever reasons - and will keep raising this matter in the hope of either provoking him to leave or the Admin staff remove him (IMHO hell should freeze over before either happens)
3) There is a small core of "members" with the mistaken belief that they are more important than anyone else
Now, if those 3 "small cores" are the same people or not, I don't know (or care), what I do see, is that, in virtually every case, at some point in the past they have tried to get their own way and failed.... and have never gotten over it.
With 11000+ members I, for one, am exceedingly glad this is NOT a democracy, as given some of the views expressed at times it would degenerate to rubbish in days.
Thank you to the Admin Team, and the Mods, for all you do for the rest of us :y :y
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all agreed Den.. :y
honestly speaking, I cant clarify the intention of opening the old debate and attacking an old member and/or a mod whose spending a lot of time for the forum.. what has happened, has happened and we cant reverse things..but fuelling an old fire, sure wont bring any relief imo..
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TB can you let us all know as you are the daddy is it a club or forum as very different animals
Incorrect ;)
Anyone on the "2 rings" of the Admin Team will confirm its a 100% democracy within the teams. Some decisions are taken purely within the Administrator "ring", some decisions are taken within the Admin Team.
Believe me, I certainly do not have any extra rights/priviledges/standing than the other 3 Administrators. Nor would I want to have.
As to who 'owns' OOF, IMHO (ie, my PERSONAL VIEW) is:
Technically, its owned by the 4 Administrators. They are listed as the owners of the NPO, and have defined roles (even though we cross cover each other in reality). We have the ultimate say on things, and are responsible for it.
However, this is everyone's forum. Outside of dealing with people who won't play with the rules, and making behind the scenes decisions on the running of the club, financials etc etc, the Admin Team (Admins and GMods) are the same as everyone else. And that includes allowing the Admins/GMods to have their own opinion on subjects.
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Nor would I want to have.
Except those (frequent!) occasions I don't get my way :P ;D
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Nor would I want to have.
Except those (frequent!) occasions I don't get my way :P ;D
Just gives a shout when you want your teddies back..... :P ;D
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Entwood, I think you've summed it up nicely :y :y
IMHO there was an error in judgement made by JB. But he's only human ;) However, that is in the past and no amount of bitching and moaning can change that ;)
I look forward to sitting down and talking the normal 'dangle berries' at some meets this year :y
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TB can you let us all know as you are the daddy is it a club or forum as very different animals
Incorrect ;)
Anyone on the "2 rings" of the Admin Team will confirm its a 100% democracy within the teams. Some decisions are taken purely within the Administrator "ring", some decisions are taken within the Admin Team.
Believe me, I certainly do not have any extra rights/priviledges/standing than the other 3 Administrators. Nor would I want to have.
As to who 'owns' OOF, IMHO (ie, my PERSONAL VIEW) is:
Technically, its owned by the 4 Administrators. They are listed as the owners of the NPO, and have defined roles (even though we cross cover each other in reality). We have the ultimate say on things, and are responsible for it.
However, this is everyone's forum. Outside of dealing with people who won't play with the rules, and making behind the scenes decisions on the running of the club, financials etc etc, the Admin Team (Admins and GMods) are the same as everyone else. And that includes allowing the Admins/GMods to have their own opinion on subjects.
I have taken the same view on a number of occasions, much to my personal cost. :D
The Omega Owners Forum is simply that. A forum. Like any ordered sample of society it requires guidelines (note, not 'rules' but guidelines) and thus we have the forum guidelines at the top of the newbies section. That the forum has morphed into a substantial chatroom or similar on a (very) diverse variety of subjects is perhaps both a curse and a bonus but it is what we have collectively spawned after all!!
I have always taken the view that rules can be defined as 'for the observance of fools and the guidance of the wise'. Dunno who birthed that factoid first but they got it spot on in my view. :y
Yes, OOF has admins and moderators who, combined, collectively formulate the admin team. We know and appreciate how each of the others tick and as such, know that we have the same concepts/precepts at heart to ensure that we abide by the initial reason for the generation of OOF - the free share of info on the Omega marque to ensure that it keeps plodding on without owners shelling out too much to garages and dealers.
On that point I personally think we have succeeded. :y
The running costs of the forum (hardware and bandwidth are not free remember) are absorbed in numerous ways by the admin team as a whole - whether by cash sharing, products for sale in the shop, goodwill or whatever - but are NOT passed onto the general membership. And thats quite deliberate as its a core part of our initial reason for breaking away from VxON in the first place. But thats a long story and worthy of a chat over a beer or three and not worth bringing back to the surface either here or on VxON!!
We do not charge for membership. That costs us (obliquely) membership of the VBOA and thus a trade card in our own right. But does not introduce dual level membership or select/elite/private areas of the forum where only those and such as those who have paid can dwell. The obvious exception is modchat, however.
This is an open area where the whole admin team - administrators, moderators et al - can openly chat and discuss points and matters of concerns quite openly to each other as and when. This, as has been learned, has advantages as well as disadvantages.
If the Admin team wish to discuss something seperate from the moderators (KW, JB and until recently, DLK) then we must take the matter to PM otherwise it is openly viewable by all in the admin team. And that would be self defeating.
And agreement takes time, unfortunately. And again, we are revisiting a well discussed historic matter that serves no great purpose for OOF's future, in my opinion. Sad but true. :'( As Mrs T is famous for saying, 'The lady is not for turning'. In other words, do not change your mind and change historic descisions. Theres no future in it. Again, MY opinion. Others may feel differently, however.
As to 'forum or club'. Its obviously a forum by definition of any constitution, as no fees are paid, no AGM's are held, no elections for figurehead posts or the like take place. It is 'owned' by the administrators, simple as.
Regarding a line or three I read ages ago about voting, elected representatives as admins for a preset period and such. Not going to happen.
What you see is what you get. If you want to join in, feel free. If you disagree with whats happening then feel free to voice your displeasure, have a rant and clear your custard. Bottom line is that if the admin team dont agree with your viewpoint then you simply do not have a strong enough argument composed. ;D
Whilst I am gently rambling on, I think again about the admin team and Mrs T. Once a descision is made, be that good or bad by any individual of the team (in an admin concept, not as an individual) then that descision is supported openly on the forum by the admin team. Whether it is agreed privately amongst us is quite another matter but on forum, said descision is supported. And thats how any layered organisation MUST work, be that business, armed forced or simply mum and dad against a group of rebelious offspring. Its how order is maintained after all, is it not?? ???
Blethering a tad now but in closing, would like to say that the true OOF is best represnted at meets where that old chestnut of emoticons/lack of eye contact is removed and it is so easy to see the tone and inflection of comments in real time rather than as cold text on a screen some time after which then makes you feel you want to jump in with both feet, keyboard flying, attempting to right the percieved transgressions in double quick time - or else!! ;D
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U still alive u old beggar ;D ;D
....and kicking mate :y
Have missed u so much, but just have'nt had the time lately, u still using the k-y gel ::)
Yes. I'm still in clink. ;D
Doesnt surprise me. ::) :P
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Even the Great Rabbie Burns coudnae' a said it better H :y
A Man's A Man for A' That.
Is there for honest poverty
That hings his head, an a' that?
The coward slave, we pass him by -
We dare be poor for a' that!
For a' that, an a' that,
Our toils obscure, an a' that,
The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
The man's the gowd for a' that.
What though on hamely fare we dine,
Wear hoddin grey, an a' that?
Gie fools their silks, and knaves their wine -
A man's a man for a' that.
For a' that, an a' that.
Their tinsel show, an a' that,
The honest man, tho e'er sae poor,
Is king o men for a' that.
Ye see you birkie ca'd 'a lord,'
What struts, an stares, an a' that?
Tho hundreds worship at his word,
He's but a cuif for a' that.
For a' that, an a' that,
His ribband, star, an a' that,
The man o independent mind,
He looks an laughs at a' that.
A prince can mak a belted knight,
A marquis, duke, an a' that!
But an honest man's aboon his might -
Guid faith, he mauna fa' that!
For a' that, an a' that,
Their dignities, an a' that,
The pith o sense an pride o worth.
Are higher rank than a' that.
Then let us pray that come it may
[As come it will for a' that],
That Sense and Worth o'er a' the earth,
Shall bear the gree an a' that.
For a' that, an a' that,
It's comin yet for a' that,
That man to man, the world, o'er
Shall brithers be for a' that.
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This is an open area where the whole admin team - administrators, moderators et al - can openly chat and discuss points and matters of concerns quite openly to each other as and when. This, as has been learned, has advantages as well as disadvantages.
Crystal balls in short supply afaik, so learning is all we have. We all make mistakes, as part of learning. What matters is how we respond to those mistakes. :)
...I'm told ;D
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Even the Great Rabbie Burns coudnae' a said it better H :y
A Man's A Man for A' That.
Is there for honest poverty
That hings his head, an a' that?
The coward slave, we pass him by -
We dare be poor for a' that!
For a' that, an a' that,
Our toils obscure, an a' that,
The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
The man's the gowd for a' that.
What though on hamely fare we dine,
Wear hoddin grey, an a' that?
Gie fools their silks, and knaves their wine -
A man's a man for a' that.
For a' that, an a' that.
Their tinsel show, an a' that,
The honest man, tho e'er sae poor,
Is king o men for a' that.
Ye see you birkie ca'd 'a lord,'
What struts, an stares, an a' that?
Tho hundreds worship at his word,
He's but a cuif for a' that.
For a' that, an a' that,
His ribband, star, an a' that,
The man o independent mind,
He looks an laughs at a' that.
A prince can mak a belted knight,
A marquis, duke, an a' that!
But an honest man's aboon his might -
Guid faith, he mauna fa' that!
For a' that, an a' that,
Their dignities, an a' that,
The pith o sense an pride o worth.
Are higher rank than a' that.
Then let us pray that come it may
[As come it will for a' that],
That Sense and Worth o'er a' the earth,
Shall bear the gree an a' that.
For a' that, an a' that,
It's comin yet for a' that,
That man to man, the world, o'er
Shall brithers be for a' that.
Certainly not Monkey Hanger Speak, but I agree with what he says, to be honest is it not time to put this all to bed and move on.... :D :D
TBH our admin and Moderators do a fantastic job and must have the patients of a saint cos reading this it I was them some members would be zapped ::) Can we just live and let live and move on? If you do not like what you see then why are you here?
And for those who are thinking otherwise, I can not got to the lakes Meet for work reasons, otherwise Miss vamps and myself would be there, if you are in any doubt then i will happily give you my managers phone number..... :) :)
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Nor would I want to have.
Except those (frequent!) occasions I don't get my way :P ;D
Just gives a shout when you want your teddies back..... :P ;D
I had a bad night's sleep without them last night. If I promise to be a good boy, will Highlander let me have them back please.
our admin and Moderators do a fantastic job and must have the patients of a saint
I'm glad I can fool you ;) :P ;D
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I would love to attend a Meet and put to bed some of the misconceptions gained dare I say it, 'on both sides of the coin', which naturally tend to spring up when the only real contact is through a keyboard & those bloody emoticons, ;D especially in such a beautiful location as the Lakes, but this bag of bones that carries me around is not up to the task anymore sadly, it is a very involved exercise doing the 80miles (ish) round trip to see my Consultant these days. I will be there in Spirit, though sadly not the grain variety! ;) & look forward to seeing the assorted pics & comments on your return after having had brilliant weather & a midgy free weekend ::) :y
I think most of us would agree that there's not a lot wrong with the OOF that can't be fixed if a bit more thought went into the typing finger before it pressed 'Post' :y
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Even the Great Rabbie Burns coudnae' a said it better H :y
A Man's A Man for A' That.
Is there for honest poverty
That hings his head, an a' that?
The coward slave, we pass him by -
We dare be poor for a' that!
For a' that, an a' that,
Our toils obscure, an a' that,
The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
The man's the gowd for a' that.
What though on hamely fare we dine,
Wear hoddin grey, an a' that?
Gie fools their silks, and knaves their wine -
A man's a man for a' that.
For a' that, an a' that.
Their tinsel show, an a' that,
The honest man, tho e'er sae poor,
Is king o men for a' that.
Ye see you birkie ca'd 'a lord,'
What struts, an stares, an a' that?
Tho hundreds worship at his word,
He's but a cuif for a' that.
For a' that, an a' that,
His ribband, star, an a' that,
The man o independent mind,
He looks an laughs at a' that.
A prince can mak a belted knight,
A marquis, duke, an a' that!
But an honest man's aboon his might -
Guid faith, he mauna fa' that!
For a' that, an a' that,
Their dignities, an a' that,
The pith o sense an pride o worth.
Are higher rank than a' that.
Then let us pray that come it may
[As come it will for a' that],
That Sense and Worth o'er a' the earth,
Shall bear the gree an a' that.
For a' that, an a' that,
It's comin yet for a' that,
That man to man, the world, o'er
Shall brithers be for a' that.
Certainly not Monkey Hanger Speak, but I agree with what he says, to be honest is it not time to put this all to bed and move on.... :D :D
TBH our admin and Moderators do a fantastic job and must have the patients of a saint cos reading this it I was them some members would be zapped ::) Can we just live and let live and move on? If you do not like what you see then why are you here?
And for those who are thinking otherwise, I can not got to the lakes Meet for work reasons, otherwise Miss vamps and myself would be there, if you are in any doubt then i will happily give you my managers phone number..... :) :)
Agreed, Mr Vamps. :y. I would make an excellent Mod/Admin man myself. :)
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I would love to attend a Meet and put to bed some of the misconceptions gained dare I say it, 'on both sides of the coin', which naturally tend to spring up when the only real contact is through a keyboard & those bloody emoticons, ;D especially in such a beautiful location as the Lakes, but this bag of bones that carries me around is not up to the task anymore sadly, it is a very involved exercise doing the 80miles (ish) round trip to see my Consultant these days. I will be there in Spirit, though sadly not the grain variety! ;) & look forward to seeing the assorted pics & comments on your return after having had brilliant weather & a midgy free weekend ::) :y
I think most of us would agree that there's not a lot wrong with the OOF that can't be fixed if a bit more thought went into the typing finger before it pressed 'Post' :y
All the very best, Phil. Chin up. :y
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Even the Great Rabbie Burns coudnae' a said it better H :y
A Man's A Man for A' That.
Is there for honest poverty
That hings his head, an a' that?
The coward slave, we pass him by -
We dare be poor for a' that!
For a' that, an a' that,
Our toils obscure, an a' that,
The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
The man's the gowd for a' that.
What though on hamely fare we dine,
Wear hoddin grey, an a' that?
Gie fools their silks, and knaves their wine -
A man's a man for a' that.
For a' that, an a' that.
Their tinsel show, an a' that,
The honest man, tho e'er sae poor,
Is king o men for a' that.
Ye see you birkie ca'd 'a lord,'
What struts, an stares, an a' that?
Tho hundreds worship at his word,
He's but a cuif for a' that.
For a' that, an a' that,
His ribband, star, an a' that,
The man o independent mind,
He looks an laughs at a' that.
A prince can mak a belted knight,
A marquis, duke, an a' that!
But an honest man's aboon his might -
Guid faith, he mauna fa' that!
For a' that, an a' that,
Their dignities, an a' that,
The pith o sense an pride o worth.
Are higher rank than a' that.
Then let us pray that come it may
[As come it will for a' that],
That Sense and Worth o'er a' the earth,
Shall bear the gree an a' that.
For a' that, an a' that,
It's comin yet for a' that,
That man to man, the world, o'er
Shall brithers be for a' that.
Certainly not Monkey Hanger Speak, but I agree with what he says, to be honest is it not time to put this all to bed and move on.... :D :D
TBH our admin and Moderators do a fantastic job and must have the patients of a saint cos reading this it I was them some members would be zapped ::) Can we just live and let live and move on? If you do not like what you see then why are you here?
And for those who are thinking otherwise, I can not got to the lakes Meet for work reasons, otherwise Miss vamps and myself would be there, if you are in any doubt then i will happily give you my managers phone number..... :) :)
Agreed, Mr Vamps. :y. I would make an excellent Mod/Admin man myself. :)
How many posts to become a moderator :-\
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Posts irrelevant, its the choice of the admins who to make mods.
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Posts irrelevant, its the choice of the admins who to make mods.
:y
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Does it go on the amount of teddies you can throw out the pram in 1 go ;D :D
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Posts irrelevant, its the choice of the admins who to make mods.
If I were to become a Mod/Admin.........I'd insist on more girlie forum members. I'd soon lick these newbies into shape.
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Posts irrelevant, its the choice of the admins who to make mods.
If I were to become a Mod/Admin.........I'd insist on more girlie forum members. I'd soon lick these newbies into shape.
Indeed mr opti ...
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Posts irrelevant, its the choice of the admins who to make mods.
If I were to become a Mod/Admin.........I'd insist on more girlie forum members. I'd soon lick these newbies into shape.
Indeed mr opti ...
Yep EMD......there has never been more than three or four regulars, and I've been on the forum since 2008. Of course, girls being girls, they don't know one end of an Omega from the other. Still, enjoy them for their curvy and moist bits, I say. :y
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Despite all the moaning and groaning just remember it is A BLOODY GOOD FORUM :y :y
Overall the Mods/Admins do a great job and give up their own time to do the job. :y :y
In general the members who contribute also make this a good place to be. :y :y
Is this the longest topic after buses? ??? ;D ;D
Just RELAX & ENJOY :y :y
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there is a longer one than the buses ???
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Posts irrelevant, its the choice of the admins who to make mods.
If I were to become a Mod/Admin.........I'd insist on more girlie forum members. I'd soon lick these newbies into shape.
Indeed mr opti ...
Yep EMD......there has never been more than three or four regulars, and I've been on the forum since 2008. Of course, girls being girls, they don't know one end of an Omega from the other. Still, enjoy them for their curvy and moist bits, I say. :y
You can count on my vote Mr Opti ;)
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a donation tab
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a donation tab
A common suggestion, or similar anyway.
Usual answer....
"never going to happen"
...Apparently.
And I can understand why, personally. Nice thought though. :)
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a donation tab
A common suggestion, or similar anyway.
Usual answer....
"never going to happen"
...Apparently.
And I can understand why, personally. Nice thought though. :)
go on
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a donation tab
A common suggestion, or similar anyway.
Usual answer....
"never going to happen"
...Apparently.
And I can understand why, personally. Nice thought though. :)
go on
When it's appropriate. ;)
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Talking of meets I am very keen to get to the Lakes meet. The wife's birthday is on the 6th and we're having a partay.... but as I gave up the sauce a couple of months' back I will be awake nice and early to pop over on the Saturday..... what sort of time do you folk envisage it ending on the Saturday? Wouldn't want to rock up and you've all buggered off home ::)
As for the ''Donations'' or ''Contributions'' Tab, I think it's a great idea. I personally really really value the instant help you get on here because not only is it from guys who know what they're talking about but every answer is with care and wanted to do the best for your fellow man and not be ripped off by these b*stard dealers and garages GRRR.
Anyway I'm sure if the topic has cropped up before and has had a resounding ''no'' then there must be a reason so fair enough but I for one would contribute in a heartbeat.......although I am strapped this month so if you can wait til next pay day that would be better ;D :y
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Why do people buy Omega's? I am curious to know why in particular the younger gerneration do because they do cost a large amount of the readies to maintain and run. Is it the sheer amount of power they have under the bonnet and maybe because they have been blasted past in their hothatches by an oldie in his miggy? Where does the truth lie?
OOOMV6 made a rather irrational, partially veiled insulting comment about 'moaning old gits' and although I am old I do not really think his newbie over the top irrational comment was justified. Probably like many of us older members I have little doubt that it will be the same moaning old gits with the experience that will be expected to solve or advise on any of his problems when his time comes. Please give a little thought to comments and how they will make other members react before posting things worded like that one was. To those who show respect I give respect and that is the way of the world the members should adopt and make the forum remain being the best one around.
As for the forum in general, yes it contains many different views but there again no two people are alike and that is what makes this forum the best there is around! After all, those who do not like it can always go elsewhere but no doubt will soon return when they find that the help they crave is not available in such quantity or on experiences based on personal real life events as it is on this one.
Whatever forum you go on, and I am a member of quite a few, there will always be those who believe they are more knowledgable than others but few who are actually time served apprentices or technitions whose advice will be vitutually always correct or based on practical experience by having done the job themselves and not just assisted somone else with it! I base that particular comment on experiences I have had in replies to my own questions which when acted on cost me money that I need not have spent because the advice was partially incorrect or just plain wrong so it cannot be disputed. Quite a lot of it I reckon is down to trying to achieve a high post count to raise their own self esteem or forum value. That comment does NOT apply to the General Discussion area but it does apply to the General Help one where serious questions for help should be met with replies of the same seriousness.
I have no doubt that this post will bring a large share of replies from those of whom the cap fits well as they try to get me to justify or aplogise for my comments. If so they will be wasting their time.
To those who treat this forum with the respect it rightly deserves I raise my glass! Yes Daz, its another one down the hole and perhaps many will join me in the toast.........who knows? :D ;)
The only other comment I can make without wishing to raise the dead on the forum issue is the obvious one of being curious as to who is responsible for overseeing the moderators and their actions when on very rare occassions they are questionable. Perhaps a referendum of the more regular posters, or a new panel of members would be the way to go because it is the regular posters who keep the forum going even if everyone does not like their posts. I dare say that there would be a massive list of applicants, I would not be one of them, and could probably name a lot of them too. Perhaps there might even be panel of proven apprenticeship served 'experts' too to weed out the poor ocassional advice....that is probably wishfull thinking though ;)
Maybe I should take up writing novels............. ::)
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bionic..
.just been reading your post above,and ive got to say .you are so full of crap.you seem to just want to cause/stir/create friction on this forum.get a grip...you make me wanna move city..
you are just trying to dig at admin/mod cos a previous thread didnt go your way stfu
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a donation tab
id be happy to donate some of my lottery winnings when it comes up.
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I'm in total agreement with you're comments and if it was'nt for the forum I think it would have been impossible to keep my 3 cars in the condition that they are now,and it's guys like Daz and Rob G who for me hold a wealth of knowledge and do'nt hold back when called on for assistance, and of course the large membership who willingly chip in with their own experiences.There's always going to be wind up merchants and moaners no matter what or where,but in general the Forum is an invaluable tool for keeping a dwindling number of cars on the road and for me it will be a sad day when there just wont be enough cars to support its existence BUT then I'm OLD!! and probably wont be around to see it happen ::)
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Why do people buy Omega's? I am curious ..
OOOMV6 made a rather irrational, partially veiled insulting comment about 'moaning old gits' and although I am old I do not really think his newbie over the top irrational comment was justified. Probably like many of us older members I have little doubt that it will be the same moaning old gits with the experience that will be expected to solve or advise on any of his problems when his time comes. Please give a little thought to comments and how they will make other members react before posting things worded like that one was.
Whatever forum you go on, and I am a member of quite a few, there will always be those who believe they are more knowledgable than others but few who are actually time served apprentices or technitions whose advice will be vitutually always correct or based on practical experience by having done the job themselves and not just assisted somone else with it! I base that particular comment on experiences I have had in replies to my own questions which when acted on cost me money that I need not have spent because the advice was partially incorrect or just plain wrong so it cannot be disputed. Quite a lot of it I reckon is down to trying to achieve a high post count to raise their own self esteem or forum value. That comment does NOT apply to the General Discussion area but it does apply to the General Help one where serious questions for help should be met with replies of the same seriousness.
I have no doubt that this post will bring a large share of replies from those of whom the cap fits well as they try to get me to justify or aplogise for my comments. If so they will be wasting their time.
Perhaps a referendum of the more regular posters, or a new panel of members would be the way to go because it is the regular posters who keep the forum going even if everyone does not like their posts. I dare say that there would be a massive list of applicants, I would not be one of them, and could probably name a lot of them too. Perhaps there might even be panel of proven apprenticeship served 'experts' too to weed out the poor ocassional advice....that is probably wishfull thinking though ;)
Bionic,
I'll take the opportunity to clarify. I assume it is my response in post number 7, maybe elsewhere too.
I really do think about what I'm typing, knowing, as we all do, the problems of written comments rather than face to face. Many a time, I have written, re-read, deleted, altered, or even refrained from commenting. I am aware of how readers will receive what I have written and do give this thought.
The comment was not an ageist comment.
The term "moaning old gits" or similar is simply referring to the general sense of negativity which resounds around the forum, whether it be from a member in their 60s or more, or from a 20 something year old. This could be about the price of milk, the SKY TV reception, the EU rule on the shape of a banana, The Schengen agreement, the brightness of a brake light, the street light outside my home, the lack of street light outside my home...... really whatever the subject, except the obvious ones such as a baby born into a members' family. Really, I am often astounded (and it's not only on OOF obviously, in life generally) how quickly people are ready, happy and willing to jump on the negative, criticism bandwagon.
I would also take this opportunity to point out, as I have previously, the potentially issues with the "titles" being used, and as such, the judgements thereafter.
From your post you refer to yourself as old. Ok, that's how you see it, as someone in their 60s. You are shown to be an Omega Knight. So, you have experience, you are older than me by some years. You also refer to, as I have, my relative "newbie" status. Also I am sure you can see that I am 20 odd years younger than you. From these observations, you appear to have deduced that you "oldies" may come to my assistance in the future. You may well do, that's true. And if you do I will of course appreciate it. But the younger members may also help. In fact, maybe I will need very little help as perhaps I already know a load about the Omega - or maybe I don't.
To clarify, my point is two-fold.
Moaning old gits can be any age. There just is far too much negatively in the world as a whole. Maybe I should remove the word OLD.
Titles relating to the amount of posts don't help IMO. What they can show is a) the poster is an Admin or Mod, or b) the person is very knowledgable on the Omega and is very willing to share that knowledge, or c) they are unemployed, or d) they are single, and on and on and on. Loads of reasons. However, they do have the potential to cause people to make statements / judgements such as the one you made, ..."I have little doubt that it will be the same moaning old gits with the experience that will be expected to solve or advise on any of his problems when his time comes.", based on little or no information.
Finally, referring to your last paragraph. Bad idea. Mods / Admins - they run it, so leave them to it. If you were in a job, where you could not agree with your boss, you'd either leave or accept whatever you did not agree with. Same here.
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I'm really only just picking up on the mechanics of the site. I have to say, without the information, I would have scrapped my 2001 Omega, which I've owned since 2001 by the way. I have tackled all the 'nasty' jobs personally and would not have done so without the information support network from you lot! I hope this helps and let's sort out any 'downers' because if you are like me, you want as many Omegas on the road as possible with as many many spares supporting it. The best car I've ever owned by a country mile.
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;) OOMV6, My comment was made as a direct result of what you had wrote and on nothing else. Instead of accepting that the wording might have caused offence you simply went on to nitpick at my post. I too think before I write and I stand by what I posted. I spent far too many years in the trade both as an employee and then as an employer and saw and heard far too much bull and bad practice associated with bad advice. If you were to think about it I would be surprised if you had not seen and heard the same even though your years are far lesser than mine. In life you never stop learning but there are small, but sadly growing minority who have nothing left to learn and always know it all, or at least give advice based on that premise.
I am jacking the back up again tomorrow, weather pertmitting, to see what I can do about the exhaust and also to have another look at the suspension and take some pics for my album of work done to this miggy. Bet it rains now I have said it ::)
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One of many reasons why this thread was started and why "clique" has been mentioned on several occasions.
This was posted yesterday evening http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=104290.0 As we all know, in it`s amended form was against the rules. OP was advised (told) to add a price or prices for the various permutations (since disappeared/removed) he was suggesting this afternoon. Seems strange that other sales threads with "offers invited" are more often than not edited within a very short space of time :-X
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One of many reasons why this thread was started and why "clique" has been mentioned on several occasions.
This was posted yesterday evening http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=104290.0 As we all know, in it`s amended form was against the rules. OP was advised (told) to add a price or prices for the various permutations (since disappeared/removed) he was suggesting this afternoon. Seems strange that other sales threads with "offers invited" are more often than not edited within a very short space of time :-X
Probably very little to do with cliques or conspiracy theory ... but a lot more to do with Admins actually having lives outside of OOF and having more important things to do than referee tiffs !! :)
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2 admin team currently in French France.
3 of the remaining 4 have work to contend with during the day and at least one of them travels throughout Europe regularly.
The last has a busy family home to contend with and had already posted on the thread in question.
It will be dealt with in a similar fashion to others have been previously. :y
modify - thread now deleted, since OP has seen and responded suitably to requests.
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Thread removed by admin. Now, can we get on...?
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The Parts For Sale Area, in my opinion most do not use it thinking of others. If we all posted one thread per item that your selling how many pages who there be?
Thought the idea of one thread and posting your parts in it was the idea..... Obviously not.
Tempted to do like alot do and have several going at once
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One thing we should all allow for is the the hard working Admin team and Moderators, both good and not so good all give their free time to this forum and should not be expected to simply devote their whole lives to it! Those members who think otherwise are the selfish ones and need to get a life outside of the forum too because some probably post simply to add to their post count.
Well done and many thanx to the Admin and Moderators without whose time and skills the forum would not exist :y
Nuff said, and as pleasantly as I could.................
One other comment I can make about the sales area is that for the most part many of the items offered for sale I have found can be found far cheaper elsewhere in private ads and on the bidding sites so have a good look around before you buy. Ask around local breakers too cos many of them have a miggy or two that they don not know they still have. Some oof sellers really do try to help others in need but no doubt some profiteers are here on this forum too knowing that the miggy is becoming more scarce with each passing year.
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Seems we have a new admin
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103611.0
I wonder when the admin team where going to announce this to the community...?
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Seems we have a new admin
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103611.0
I wonder when the admin team where going to announce this to the community...?
??? ???
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And post 664 above.
And ...
And, etc.
No interest in the sale? Why is the post there?
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If we are following the guidelines to the letter...?
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I and many others find Rob to be the most helpful member on the forum.He has a lot of knowledge and is always willing to share it.He doesnt seem to have an agenda,or want to use the forum to gratify a large ego.Just helpful for its own sake. Imo he would be an excellent addition to the moderators team. A very good idea. :y
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Seems we have a new admin
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103611.0
I wonder when the admin team where going to announce this to the community...?
Chris, you`ve been a member long enough to understand the workings of the forum. Nobody, be it Admin, Mod or "plain" member has the right to circumvent the forum rules/guidelines. You knowingly did that when inviting "offers" for your amemded ad in the "sales" section. You were advised by a mod to adhere to the guidelines, I posted a comment, you had a hissy fit and asked that your ad be deleted which was duly done.
If you feel any of my posts in any of the forum sub sections breach the aforementioned guidelines I suggest you PM the relevant parties (admin/mod) and make your feelings known. On receipt of any such complaint I`m sure they will deal with it accordingly.
To quote one of your sayings "get on with it" :)
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See, there in lies the hypocrisy of the whole thing.
You've just told me not to do, what you've been doing, un checked for some time. That being, to post un related comments relating to the sale that in your view do not comply with guidelines, and pm admin insteaed.
Your posting on threads don't comply with guidelines either, as your not an admin! And should therefor, as you so rightly say, pm admin yourself, instead of posting sarcastic remarks and pictures of mars bars on people's sales threads. It is non if your business.
Especially as, in my view the thread fully complied with guidelines and only had arse backwards posts on it because the original thread timed out. Something a was un aware of.
Now to put this in perspective I agree with Albs comments generally, but if your going to throw the rule book about to the letter of the law, then it follows it should apply to you as well. I find the whole thing rather pedantic, but I note your irritated tone when you receive the same pedantic treatment in return.
Btw, there was no hisdy fit, iirc my words to admin where to lock it, in the interest of not giving them a load of agro. I realise though that in the absence of an alleged correction, it did need to be removed I suspect. So the only operson hissing and fitting seems to be yourself Rob.
Christ, what a storm in a tea cup about bog all.
I do agree the ad could have been worded better. But if we are so intolerant of three words that we have to start behaving in such a manor, then that needs to be looked at. Hence my initial post here.
The guidelines IMO, where met in the ad. If people want to offer areas on how they would like to buy the car, other than how it exists now, then I don't have a problem
with that at all.
And as its not your car, your ad, your forum, or anything else that's to do with you, I would like to suggest you do the same as you demand of me. Keep your sarcastic comments and wannabe an admin remarks between you and admin.
If you have genuine interest in the car, fine. Otherwise, follow the guidelines yourself.
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At least the weather seems to be getting better its really sunny here in paradise :o :)
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Chris and Robg , the only thing we need now is your debate ;D
please go on.. [now where is my pop corn and beer?]
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All a bit unnecessary, it has to be said. But whatever, slightly more important things to worry about.
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Come on guys .. handbags at dawn ?? :)
Lets not fall out over who broke the rules more/less than the other .. :(
It could easily be argued thus....
Chris breaks rule on advertising content (no price).... Rob breaks rule by commenting on it (not related to purchase) ... I broke the rule by my silly offer ( yeah .. right .. its not worth 4s 6d ... will you take half -a-crown ?? :) ) H21 sorts it all out (in his normal frill free fashion :y :y )
Whats to fight over ???
As a slight aside to a comment above ...
IMHO no-one - that's no-one - who makes a bob or two REGULARLY from forum members ... Rob (selling bits) , Chris (contributions to the "tool fund" for work done), and now he has left the "team" I even include Daz (professional servicing), or anyone else, should be part of the Admin / Mod team as it makes them a target for all manner of views, rightly or wrongly held.
Keep the "team" independent as it is now IMHO .. :y :y
Just my views ..nowt else :)
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Chris and Robg , the only thing we need now is your debate ;D
please go on.. [now where is my pop corn and beer?]
Think I will join you Cem with some of your Popcorn, I will share these beers with you whilst we watch ;D
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Chris and Robg , the only thing we need now is your debate ;D
please go on.. [now where is my pop corn and beer?]
Think I will join you Cem with some of your Popcorn, I will share these beers with you whilst we watch ;D
;D :y
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Chris and Robg , the only thing we need now is your debate ;D
please go on.. [now where is my pop corn and beer?]
Think I will join you Cem with some of your Popcorn, I will share these beers with you whilst we watch ;D
;D :y
Can't understand people getting so much into a pickle ::) ;D
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I'm so glad i don't bother posting much on here anymore.....
....I still read it when I can though.
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I'm so glad i don't bother posting much on here anymore.........I still read it when I can though.
Posting seems to trigger an awful lot of aggression and complaining from certain members. It certainly does not encourage an open forum mentality :( :(
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I'm so glad i don't bother posting much on here anymore.........I still read it when I can though.
Posting seems to trigger an awful lot of aggression and complaining from certain members. It certainly does not encourage an open forum mentality :( :(
Try and ignore them, they will go away :y
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Come on guys .. handbags at dawn ?? :)
Lets not fall out over who broke the rules more/less than the other .. :(
It could easily be argued thus....
Chris breaks rule on advertising content (no price).... Rob breaks rule by commenting on it (not related to purchase) ... I broke the rule by my silly offer ( yeah .. right .. its not worth 4s 6d ... will you take half -a-crown ?? :) ) H21 sorts it all out (in his normal frill free fashion :y :y )
Whats to fight over ???
As a slight aside to a comment above ...
IMHO no-one - that's no-one - who makes a bob or two REGULARLY from forum members ... Rob (selling bits) , Chris (contributions to the "tool fund" for work done), and now he has left the "team" I even include Daz (professional servicing), or anyone else, should be part of the Admin / Mod team as it makes them a target for all manner of views, rightly or wrongly held.
Keep the "team" independent as it is now IMHO .. :y :y
Just my views ..nowt else :)
So TB has to either hang up his tech2 or step down as Admin?
I have heald the view for some time that Admin pander to ALMOST every complaint as justified and needs acting on. Sometimes to their own ends, as it's just easier for them.
It's not possible to please all the people all the time. So we have what appears to be a massively pedantic mind set thats almost un manageable. Now obviously those that are of a mind to will point to sour grapes over recent events... But that is not the case.
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You could always make me a admin :y
I don't care who I pish off :D :-* :-*
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Ugly as he is, I would hope Daz takes up his rightful position as a moderator again.
Then others can stop trying to clime into his still warm chair. ;D
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Ugly as he is, I would hope Daz takes up his rightful position as a moderator again.
Then others can stop trying to clime into his still warm chair. ;D
;D ;D ;D
The first thing i'd do is ban the squeal like a pig report to moderator button ;D ;D ;D
On a serious note, some folks are getting too wrapped up in this internet business and should chill and get out more :y
Its a internet forum.
It will never be the real world :) ;)
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Ugly as he is, I would hope Daz takes up his rightful position as a moderator again.
Then others can stop trying to clime into his still warm chair. ;D
;D ;D ;D
The first thing i'd do is ban the squeal like a pig report to moderator button ;D ;D ;D
On a serious note, some folks are getting too wrapped up in this internet business and should chill and get out more :y
Its a internet forum.
It will never be the real world :) ;)
Ah yes the Rob button. Carefull, there is a hair trigger on that apparently. ;)
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Ugly as he is, I would hope Daz takes up his rightful position as a moderator again.
Then others can stop trying to clime into his still warm chair. ;D
So,thats a cast iron commitment that if the vacant seat is ever offered to you at any point in the future,you will turn it down flat ? :)
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Ugly as he is, I would hope Daz takes up his rightful position as a moderator again.
Then others can stop trying to clime into his still warm chair. ;D
So,thats a cast iron commitment that if the vacant seat is ever offered to you at any point in the future,you will turn it down flat ? :)
i don't want to be involved Albs. It's pathetic what goes on. I have absolutely no idea why anybody would want to, or why anybody would think I would want to.
But the fact you've asked in such a away is very interesting. ;)
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Ugly as he is, I would hope Daz takes up his rightful position as a moderator again.
Then others can stop trying to clime into his still warm chair. ;D
So,thats a cast iron commitment that if the vacant seat is ever offered to you at any point in the future,you will turn it down flat ? :)
i don't want to be involved Albs. It's pathetic what goes on. I have absolutely no idea why anybody would want to, or why anybody would think I would want to.
But the fact you've asked in such a away is very interesting. ;)
In fact, now you mention it Albs if asked, and only of asked, I might just accept. Just for you. ;D
But we all know that's not going to happen. It's Daz's seat as far as I'm concerned.
...and I'm sure everyone else agrees its Daz's. Including you Albs. Yes? :)
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Yes,absolutely.If he wants it. :y
I have spoken to him at length on the subject and am aware of his thoughts on the subject,and understand why he feels the way he does. Im in agreement with you about one thing (theres a first time for everything), I wouldnt do it under any circumstances and struggle to understand why anyone else would want to tbh.
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Ugly as he is, I would hope Daz takes up his rightful position as a moderator again.
Then others can stop trying to clime into his still warm chair. ;D
;D ;D ;D
The first thing i'd do is ban the squeal like a pig report to moderator button ;D ;D ;D
On a serious note, some folks are getting too wrapped up in this internet business and should chill and get out more :y
Its a internet forum.
It will never be the real world :) ;)
Ah yes the Rob button. Carefull, there is a hair trigger on that apparently. ;)
Care to elaborate ???
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Ugly as he is, I would hope Daz takes up his rightful position as a moderator again.
Then others can stop trying to clime into his still warm chair. ;D
;D ;D ;D
The first thing i'd do is ban the squeal like a pig report to moderator button ;D ;D ;D
On a serious note, some folks are getting too wrapped up in this internet business and should chill and get out more :y
Its a internet forum.
It will never be the real world :) ;)
Ah yes the Rob button. Carefull, there is a hair trigger on that apparently. ;)
Care to elaborate ???
Ah yes, sorry Rob I was forgetting... as an Admin, you wouldn't use that. ;D
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Ugly as he is, I would hope Daz takes up his rightful position as a moderator again.
Then others can stop trying to clime into his still warm chair. ;D
;D ;D ;D
The first thing i'd do is ban the squeal like a pig report to moderator button ;D ;D ;D
On a serious note, some folks are getting too wrapped up in this internet business and should chill and get out more :y
Its a internet forum.
It will never be the real world :) ;)
Ah yes the Rob button. Carefull, there is a hair trigger on that apparently. ;)
Care to elaborate ???
Ah yes, sorry Rob I was forgetting... as an Admin, you wouldn't use that. ;D
You`d struggle to use your PC or phone because you would have given your right arm if you were one :P
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Yes,absolutely.If he wants it. :y
I have spoken to him at length on the subject and am aware of his thoughts on the subject,and understand why he feels the way he does. Im in agreement with you about one thing (theres a first time for everything), I wouldnt do it under any circumstances and struggle to understand why anyone else would want to tbh.
And personally even though I believe he's f***ed up in banning Daz. Jimbob is very good at what he does too. IMO. He's clearly a valuable asset to oof.
They both are. I just hope we as a group can find a way to wipe the situation away and get back to normal.
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Ugly as he is, I would hope Daz takes up his rightful position as a moderator again.
Then others can stop trying to clime into his still warm chair. ;D
;D ;D ;D
The first thing i'd do is ban the squeal like a pig report to moderator button ;D ;D ;D
On a serious note, some folks are getting too wrapped up in this internet business and should chill and get out more :y
Its a internet forum.
It will never be the real world :) ;)
Ah yes the Rob button. Carefull, there is a hair trigger on that apparently. ;)
Care to elaborate ???
Ah yes, sorry Rob I was forgetting... as an Admin, you wouldn't use that. ;D
You`d struggle to use your PC or phone because you would have given your right arm if you were one :P
Rob I struggle to use one with two arms! Never mind one! as you may have notdled. ;D
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' Think I'm losing the will to live over this thread '... :-\ :(
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Yep. A load of self indulgent shite. :y
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Just to pick on a couple of things.
Hope you two ain't bitchin because of me having a disagreement with Jimbob. I understand that whole saga pissed people off but to keep going on about it on the Forum is taking it a bit far now in my eyes. We need to move on and learn from it, if we can I reckon the Forum will be stronger for it :y
Who says anyone will fill the "Warm Seat?" do we really need anyone else? surely that is down to the Admin Team and the work load they have? I think anyone looking in at the Admin Team would have a wake up call as the crap that you have to sift through is suprising (sure I have mentioned that before so I ain't going down that line again).
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Yes,absolutely.If he wants it. :y
I have spoken to him at length on the subject and am aware of his thoughts on the subject,and understand why he feels the way he does. Im in agreement with you about one thing (theres a first time for everything), I wouldnt do it under any circumstances and struggle to understand why anyone else would want to tbh.
And personally even though I believe he's f***ed up in banning Daz. Jimbob is very good at what he does too. IMO. He's clearly a valuable asset to oof.
They both are. I just hope we as a group can find a way to wipe the situation away and get back to normal.
Indeed. And if you stopped referring to it, it will go away, as LK pointed out a few moments ago.
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Enough is enough.
Chris. Rob. Leave it alone between you please.
As an old grandpa told me some years ago now....
I'm not fussy who started it but if you don't cut it out, I'll stop it.
And it won't be tidy.......
Thanks for you understoodment. :)
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Commonly known as forum banter B unless you can highlight any malicious, abusive or otherwise comments ??? I don`t see any posts from Chris or myself that warrants admin moderation/deletion :-\
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open that can of whoopass broocie yeehaa ;D
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Commonly known as forum banter B unless you can highlight any malicious, abusive or otherwise comments ??? I don`t see any posts from Chris or myself that warrants admin moderation/deletion :-\
Nothing moderated or deleted by me, as you can well see. :)
I feel that the wavy line between banter and digs/abuse/otherwise comments is looming large on the horizon between the pair of you however.
Banter I am more than happy with, just don't cross the line. ;)
I'll put the yellow card back in my pocket then! ;D ;D
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Commonly known as forum banter B unless you can highlight any malicious, abusive or otherwise comments ??? I don`t see any posts from Chris or myself that warrants admin moderation/deletion :-\
Nothing moderated or deleted by me, as you can well see. :)
I feel that the wavy line between banter and digs/abuse/otherwise comments is looming large on the horizon between the pair of you however.
Banter I am more than happy with, just don't cross the line. ;)
I'll put the yellow card back in my pocket then! ;D ;D
I can assure you B, no abuse etc will emanate from my keyboard
Agreed.
;D :y
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A new member came onto this forum looking for help
well his request for help was over shadowed by me and other members arguing about changing cambelt etc;
thats the way it is on here; if you argue against the proper time to change a part or use a pattern parts,you
will be challenged because past experiece from long time served members know different.
i dont think that should ever change. because with the vast experience on here,it makes OOF the omega bible..
but me and other members robbed him of his OP [sorry for that mate] go on admid/mod make an exception...
pin him at the top for 24 hours.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=104397.0
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A new member came onto this forum looking for help
well his request for help was over shadowed by me and other members arguing about changing cambelt etc;
thats the way it is on here; if you argue against the proper time to change a part or use a pattern parts,you
will be challenged because past experiece from long time served members know different.
i dont think that should ever change. because with the vast experience on here,it makes OOF the omega bible..
but me and other members robbed him of his OP [sorry for that mate] go on admid/mod make an exception...
pin him at the top for 24 hours.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=104397.0
Don't think you were to blame mate ;) - it was the persistent arguing/posting by a newbie who thought he knew it all :(
Nice thought though re pinning for 24hrs :)
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A new member came onto this forum looking for help
well his request for help was over shadowed by me and other members arguing about changing cambelt etc;
thats the way it is on here; if you argue against the proper time to change a part or use a pattern parts,you
will be challenged because past experiece from long time served members know different.
i dont think that should ever change. because with the vast experience on here,it makes OOF the omega bible..
but me and other members robbed him of his OP [sorry for that mate] go on admid/mod make an exception...
pin him at the top for 24 hours.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=104397.0
think he was going to get robbed of more than that :o:D :D
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Ugly as he is, I would hope Daz takes up his rightful position as a moderator again.
Then others can stop trying to clime into his still warm chair. ;D
There are a number of people who would disagree with that Chris. When I took the roll a number of members PM'd expressing their thoughts :-X
I do know quite a few agree though, as I do keep getting told I should reconsider. Funny thing is I am unsure myself... Love the forum, enjoy thinking I am helping it in my own way. Don't like the school parts of the job though..
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Trouble is Daz, like most things in life apart from chocolate and mayonnaise, you need to have the tedious bits to balance the great bits ::) corny I know, but that doesn't make it any less valid :y.
Makes hasty note of post count just in case... :P
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Total respect to the lads who do the admin bit on this forum why the f*ck would anybody volunteer to add themselfs to the list ?
With the amount of bitching and backstabing going on nowdays, why put yourself in the middle of that ?
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I have heald the view for some time that Admin pander to ALMOST every complaint as justified and needs acting on. Sometimes to their own ends, as it's just easier for them.
It's not possible to please all the people all the time. So we have what appears to be a massively pedantic mind set thats almost un manageable. Now obviously those that are of a mind to will point to sour grapes over recent events... But that is not the case.
Initial comment...
Utter 'dangle berries'
In marginally more depth...
We once tried to make rules for everything, but quickly decided its not the way forward. If people can't work out "expected" behaviour from the guidelines, we're screwed.
This each and every complaint is dealt with individually, and I believe 99.99% of the time correctly and fairly, whatever some members may think of cliques etc.
If you, or anyone else, feels differently, I and the rest of the admins have an unlimited incoming PM box limit, use it ;)
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oppsed over by my own word censor. 'dangle berries'
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I have heald the view for some time that Admin pander to ALMOST every complaint as justified and needs acting on. Sometimes to their own ends, as it's just easier for them.
It's not possible to please all the people all the time. So we have what appears to be a massively pedantic mind set thats almost un manageable. Now obviously those that are of a mind to will point to sour grapes over recent events... But that is not the case.
Initial comment...
Utter 'dangle berries'
In marginally more depth...
We once tried to make rules for everything, but quickly decided its not the way forward. If people can't work out "expected" behaviour from the guidelines, we're screwed.
This each and every complaint is dealt with individually, and I believe 99.99% of the time correctly and fairly, whatever some members may think of cliques etc.
If you, or anyone else, feels differently, I and the rest of the admins have an unlimited incoming PM box limit, use it ;)
as said. Nothing to do with me specifically. >:(
We have had clamp downs on swearing, because someone moaned.
We have had clamp downs on words, like terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired. FFS grow up. ;D
Moans about fiddling the word sensor eg Sh1t as opposed to Shit, for example. :-\
Moans about not quite getting the dates right when welcoming newbies. ::)
Somebody said something nasty , boo hoo. ???
Some even moan or pic holes because they are seen as as acquaintances of others. Well get up of your arse and get involved then! >:(
Etc etc. a hole load of BS and caniving to achieve their own ends and non of it anything at all to do with cars. It's gone way too far IMO. Because its been allowed to.
Christ we've even had meetings about moaning. To stop people moaning. :o
A policy is in place, what ever it is, and it's not inforced until somebody points it out. Grass this grass that. :-\
Fair enough, spammers need routing out. But as you say, we have pm's. Why do we need a grass button...? Sends entirely the wrong message IMO.
Obviously It's not possible to see full reasons for everything as a member :y , and I'm not quite eloquent enough to put it across accurately. :-[ But there's a side to this place that turns my stomach on occasion. ..but then on the other hand a thread or two comes along that renews faith and interest. Then progress looks like its being made. :)
Bit like England, lighten up, focus on something more important in life, and all of a sudden normal functionality can resume without worrying about who's got who under the microscope. Fe@k off and get a life.... sad muppets. ;D
But as said, can't see what admin do sitting there, while I'm sitting here. So presume there's good reason, and respect those reasons. But I can also speak as I find. If that's not ok with people, sorry. But there we are!
Added appropriate smileys in case people moan it reads ... well...like I'm moaning ;D
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Swearing filters are constantly modified, as heavy swearing isn't what we want. You've met me often enough to know I'm certainly no angel in that respect :-[, but IMHO, written swearing always seems worse ?? Obviously we'll never all agree on where the acceptable line is, but the Admin Team have a fairly similar idea on where it should be.
One of the reasons for OOF's formation was our (majority of our members) previous forum were forcing us out of our car specific area into a chat area that was, IMHO, plain rude - full of full-on swearing, and banter being offensive. IMHO.
Under the old software, we'd gleaned a decent word censor list, still needed regular tweaks. However, the incompitent idiot who migrated the software didn't write a script to do the word censor :-[, so we're still 'catching up'. Not helped by the censor being less configurable in the new software :(
We occasionally have a bit of fun with the censor - the "terribly sorry" bit is a mickey take from the JB/DLK/LJ incident. We have previously confused our American members with changing hoods/trunks to bonnets/boots, which occasionally causes oddities when people talk about hoodies and swimwear.
But I don't think thats your gripe?
As to grass button, its needed TBH. Yeah, its abused occasinally, but the benefits outweigh the downsides IMHO. PMs definately wouldn't work as well - though because you do not have priviledged access, I'm afraid you'll have to just trust me on that one.
Or have I missed your point(s)?
I agree with you that I get frustrated sometimes with OOF, but then you catch a glimpse of human kindness that makes you feel all warm inside - and no, thats not my incontinence. That makes it all worthwhile for me.
I am very aware that you, chrisgixer, are probably berrated by some groups here, because we seen a fair amount of each other. I see nothing wrong with people creating friendships on OOF, be it because your outlaws live less than a mile from me, or because we both enjoy the same meals out, our women enjoy each other's company, we are prepared to help each other out, or any other reason that is nobody else's business. You are not alone, sadly. Not sure if that makes me angry or sad.
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Sorry to butt in but I'm trying to get up to speed on all this.. I've just got to the bottom of page 17... There's talk of searching the guides before asking but ime, the search facility on any forum is a bit rubbish! I find if I google the same search, it brings what I'm looking for where I first search it; on oof!!
But the thought occurred, would some sort of index system work? Like alphabetical or summat?
Now excuse me while I return back and continue from page 18, lol!
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Sorry to butt in but I'm trying to get up to speed on all this.. I've just got to the bottom of page 17... There's talk of searching the guides before asking but ime, the search facility on any forum is a bit rubbish! I find if I google the same search, it brings what I'm looking for where I first search it; on oof!!
But the thought occurred, would some sort of index system work? Like alphabetical or summat?
Now excuse me while I return back and continue from page 18, lol!
If you look at the top of the page in "Maintenance Guides" and "Omega common issues and FAQ" you`ll notice there is an index ::)
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Sorry to butt in but I'm trying to get up to speed on all this.. I've just got to the bottom of page 17... There's talk of searching the guides before asking but ime, the search facility on any forum is a bit rubbish! I find if I google the same search, it brings what I'm looking for where I first search it; on oof!!
But the thought occurred, would some sort of index system work? Like alphabetical or summat?
Now excuse me while I return back and continue from page 18, lol!
If you look at the top of the page in "Maintenance Guides" and "Omega common issues and FAQ" you`ll notice there is an index ::)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90633.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90633.0)
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D'oh!!
Didn't think of even looking once I thought of it!
::)
Cheers...
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when i came to this forum i had a dash like a xmas tree [warning lights]so i went through the maintenance guide..and picked
members brains...i still have a few little probs but now my car runs like a dream..and its all thanks to this forum.its only today
that i realised how god dam good this forum is [if you own a omega.]
The advice is spot on..The maintenance guide.. Is tried and tested..And there is no forum on the net that deals with omegas better
than this site.
As for the Admin/Mods..They decided what goes on the maintenance guide.
And before it went in, They had to be sure it was tried And tested.[hats off to you all]
When members post a problem on here.all jump in to help...and its live info..no waiting [a few days]..Its instant.. But if you
give bad advice.you will be set upon by all,
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I needed help on wifes micra today,,so went on a micra forum..
(they are a total load of (asda carpark idiots)..not one of them has hit the nail on the head...ffs 16v ..100ccc k11...
jobs done today and it is nothing like these talk about..
http://www.micra.org.uk/threads/how-to-change-waterpump-powersteering-belt.32604/
2 bottom bolts
tentioner bolt(on side of pas pump)
then deal with the blind 12mm bolt that you cannot see from below..
every belt has a tensioner
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"you get out what you put in"
grasshopper
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"you get out what you put in"
grasshopper
what have we both put in then...!!!!!!!!
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our input.
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idiot..gb.