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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

To be honest chaps I'm not a big fan of 'glorified milk floats'. If I held the reins I would invest in Hydrogen fuel cell. Filling up would take about the same time as it takes to fill a car with petrol.

 

[Viral_Jim]

I'm inclined to agree that hydrogen is the best long term solution for fitting our infrastructure and the way we use motor vehicles. The main issue for me is that AFAIK (and very willing to stand corrected) the only way to get hydrogen on a large scale ATM is as a byproduct of the petrochemical industry. Which doesn't really help the situation 

I am of course aware that most of the electricity we produce comes from black stuff dug out of the ground.

I came to the conclusion with electric cars that (with the arguable exception of a nearly new i3 range extender) they don't actually make any financial sense at this point against either a new(ish) diesel or small capacity petrol. Other than to make a statement about one's mis-placed love of the polar bear .

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I'm inclined to agree that hydrogen is the best long term solution for fitting our infrastructure and the way we use motor vehicles. The main issue for me is that AFAIK (and very willing to stand corrected) the only way to get hydrogen on a large scale ATM is as a byproduct of the petrochemical industry. Which doesn't really help the situation 

I am of course aware that most of the electricity we produce comes from black stuff dug out of the ground.

I came to the conclusion with electric cars that (with the arguable exception of a nearly new i3 range extender) they don't actually make any financial sense at this point against either a new(ish) diesel or small capacity petrol. Other than to make a statement about one's mis-placed love of the polar bear .

Jimmy......there must be a petrol turbo that does the job of a turbo diesel for the same cost and with hopefully far less depreciation.

[tunnie]

I was looking at Nissan Leaf's on AutoTrader, use prices now appear reasonable. £7k gets you a half decent one, I did wonder for MrsT as lot of miles is town and to her sisters so easily within the range.

But I'd want to rent the batteries, as they have limited life. Looking at £70/m just for that, before you factor in charging. (which would be cheap)

So even with mixed town/city driving, still looks like a diesel is on the cards for our next family car.

[Doctor Gollum]

and in the real world.... 

I think Jimmy looked at this and could not make it work. 

I did, I couldn't even get it to work with a second hand P70 at a paultry £49,000. Not helped by their dismal finance rates .

Buy new... rates are much better, order a P60 now before it gets axed and upgrade it to a 75 when you can afford it... it's an over the air upgrade, (but I doubt it is free)

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I was looking at Nissan Leaf's on AutoTrader, use prices now appear reasonable. £7k gets you a half decent one, I did wonder for MrsT as lot of miles is town and to her sisters so easily within the range.

But I'd want to rent the batteries, as they have limited life. Looking at £70/m just for that, before you factor in charging. (which would be cheap)

So even with mixed town/city driving, still looks like a diesel is on the cards for our next family car.

These are pretty old tech now. However, that may make them more affordable if electric cars are your bag.

[Doctor Gollum]

I was looking at Nissan Leaf's on AutoTrader, use prices now appear reasonable. £7k gets you a half decent one, I did wonder for MrsT as lot of miles is town and to her sisters so easily within the range.

But I'd want to rent the batteries, as they have limited life. Looking at £70/m just for that, before you factor in charging. (which would be cheap)

So even with mixed town/city driving, still looks like a diesel is on the cards for our next family car.

That would pay for itself... £150 per month in fuel vs £70 for batteries and about £10 in electricity...

You could then use the other £70 to buy her something nice

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I was looking at Nissan Leaf's on AutoTrader, use prices now appear reasonable. £7k gets you a half decent one, I did wonder for MrsT as lot of miles is town and to her sisters so easily within the range.

But I'd want to rent the batteries, as they have limited life. Looking at £70/m just for that, before you factor in charging. (which would be cheap)

So even with mixed town/city driving, still looks like a diesel is on the cards for our next family car.

That would pay for itself... £150 per month in fuel vs £70 for batteries and about £10 in electricity...

You could then use the other £70 to buy her something nice

Is that £70 a month for the car and batteries, or just the batteries?

[Doctor Gollum]

Just the batteries, the alternative is buying, but they cost a damn sight more than £7k

Renting actually makes sense second hand...

[tunnie]

I'm not sure if they offer battery rental on second hand purchase?

I'd then get a big estate for longer distance trips

[Doctor Gollum]

I'm not sure if they offer battery rental on second hand purchase?

I'd then get a big estate for longer distance trips

According to your initial post they do...

[tunnie]

Quick Google suggests it's a mine field, some cars come with "Flex", where the battery is rented, the rental comes with the car. (apparently massively affects re-sale value, for the worse) - Others you own the car and battery out-right. Lots of combinations of power/charging etc, but forums suggest not to take rental versions (flex) by the car outright.

[Lazydocker]

Which is odd considering I used to get 27 MPG out of my 3.2 on a back-roads commute.

Indeed. I only used to get those sort of figures around town and I know I'm heavier on the throttle than Tunnie

[Viral_Jim]

Quick Google suggests it's a mine field, some cars come with "Flex", where the battery is rented, the rental comes with the car. (apparently massively affects re-sale value, for the worse) - Others you own the car and battery out-right. Lots of combinations of power/charging etc, but forums suggest not to take rental versions (flex) by the car outright.

Is that perhaps a bit of a short-termist (not a word, I know) view? To me, the benefits of battery rental would come later i.e. When your owned battery starts to dip in performance or fails. Then again, I wonder what (if any) commitment Nissan have made to supplying you a battery long term? Presumably the battery rental agreement isn't a perpetual contract... would be a total nightmare to have a leaf but no battery to put in it.

A minefield indeed!

[Doctor Gollum]

Tesla P60 while you still can