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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Lizzie Zoom on 25 September 2017, 16:29:49
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Well no one else has mentioned it yet, so I will.
The AFD have secured 12.6% of the German vote, which gives them 13.3%, or 94, of the seats available.
Their leadership is in trouble though as already splits in their ranks have broken out. However this result for a far right wing party is historic, as such a party has not been in the Reichstag Bundestag since 1961. Their main policy is to rid German of all the immigrants. Oh dear, here we go again!! ::) ::)
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The media have portrayed them as a far right wing party. I don't know much about them yet so cant comment, but I do know that the media also portrayed UKIP as a far right wing party when they were nothing of the sort.
I'm waiting for them to start portraying New old Labour as a far left, dictatorial, terrorist loving,l Marxist party (as that is exactly what they are) but I'm not holding my breath.
Whatever they are, or aren't, they are a reaction to Merkel and her kind who have taken over much of Europe by smoke, mirrors and lies, while treating their electors with disdain and contempt.
Its inevitable there will be reactions against this, and it is spreading slowly but surely all across Europe.
Their beloved empire is doomed. Its only a matter of time. I would give it another decade at most. :)
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More change in Europe. What did she expect having had an open door migrant policy.? Cynic in me says it was for cheap labour force. Still a lot of issues in Europe. Vince Cable for premier. ;D
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Vince Cable couldn't run a car boot sale stall, never mind run the country. He is shameless at portraying himself as an expert financier, with a long history at the top level of industry.
Its all crap, but a few gullible people will always believe what they want to believe. :)
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Well no one else has mentioned it yet, so I will.
The AFD have secured 12.6% of the German vote, which gives them 13.3%, or 94, of the seats available.
Their leadership is in trouble though as already splits in their ranks have broken out. However this result for a far right wing party is historic, as such a party has not been in the Reichstag Bundestag since 1961. Their main policy is to rid German of all the immigrants. Oh dear, here we go again!! ::) ::)
Worrying.....but as Albs has already said we'll need to see just how extreme they are.
Let's hope it's not a case of German history repeating itself.
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I think that there's been a lot of things happening in Germany that dosn't get reported in the British media. :-\
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Well no one else has mentioned it yet, so I will.
The AFD have secured 12.6% of the German vote, which gives them 13.3%, or 94, of the seats available.
Their leadership is in trouble though as already splits in their ranks have broken out. However this result for a far right wing party is historic, as such a party has not been in the Reichstag Bundestag since 1961. Their main policy is to rid German of all the immigrants. Oh dear, here we go again!! ::) ::)
Worrying.....but as Albs has already said we'll need to see just how extreme they are.
Let's hope it's not a case of German history repeating itself.
Obviously, as an historian, that thought is never far from my mind. When I opened this thread I steered clear of my normal reference to the Nazis and Hitler. That was not just to stop any criticism from others on the Forum, but as for a change I think any such reference is wrong.
In the 1920's Hitler was ranting about Jews, Communists, and how the Versailles Treaty had robbed Germany. His argument was also that Germany needed greater living space for the "superior Aryan race", the Übermensch Germans who needed to be free of the unsuitable, unsavory people in their midst. His argument was far more than just about immigrants, as with the AFD, although they do add Islam to their hate list.
No, so far this right wing party are nothing like the Nazis of 90 years ago, although it must be recognised that they have started off far stronger than the latter, who grew by intimidation and criminal act through the late 1920's, through the 1930's to secure their grip on Germany. There is no current sign that the AFD can, or will do that, with no-one (thank God) seemingly shaping up to be their Fuhrer.
We can all rest easy for now in the UK, but it could be now very interesting in Deutschland ;)
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...............and just to add one very important between the late 1920's and now, Germany is booming and nowhere near being in a recession! ;)
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Vince Cable couldn't run a car boot sale stall, never mind run the country. He is shameless at portraying himself as an expert financier, with a long history at the top level of industry.
Its all crap, but a few gullible people will always believe what they want to believe. :)
Just using the vince cable scenario as an example of stranger things can happen. Perhaps i should have said pm D. Davis !
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Much more likely, and much more acceptable. :)
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...............and just to add one very important between the late 1920's and now, Germany is booming and nowhere near being in a recession! ;)
Its boom is tied to favourable export conditions due to the relatively weak Euro, as opposed to what would be a very strong German mark.
When the Euro collapses and disappears, the German economy will be in big trouble, which is why Merkel was more than happy to turn Greece into almost a third world country, rather than risk letting it recover by reverting to the drachma and possibly bring about the end of the Euro.
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Mass migration has caused many problems across Europe in many different forms by different groups, but more perceived losses than gains from the poorer in 1st world country's society due to globalization, rising crime and the 0.1% who engage in terrorism which has lead to almost 500 deaths in the last year and the main political parties not wanting to engage with and discuss peoples genuine grievances, especially the left, so they are turning to the hard-left and right parties with their simplistic populist policies and solutions. Our current major disruption political era will end like the last one unless lessons are learned and there are more political openness and POLITE constructive discussion between the parties and the people. IMO it is inevitable, unless things change fast, that we will end up like the last major disruptive political era of the 1920's and 30's which we will again end in a major war except this time with nukes. :( :( :(
I have been called several times a Nazi, racist and eugenist by a left-wing person on here who objected to some of the issues I have raised where they don't think they should be discussed. Bipartisan politics in the US especially with the left's normal sanctimonious we are always correct, you thick, racist, deplorable has resulted in the white supremacist mafia criminal buffoon Trump being elected which is doing much damage to the USA's cohesiveness, credibility and international status than ever before. :( :( :(
I see Merkel like Cameron is saying lessons will be learned from the election, which is for any elected parties basically telling the electorate to go forth and multiply. >:( >:( >:(
With Obama/Kerry deeply flawed Iran nuclear deal meaning that they will legally have nukes in about 8 years and will almost certainly use them against Israel, Europe and the US once they have. I'm really not hopeful that most of humanity will make it much beyond 2025-2030. :( :( :(
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Well at least I don't have to worry about my pension now.
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Every cloud....... :y ;D
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Well at least I don't have to worry about my pension now.
You've got a pension? :o ::)
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Well at least I don't have to worry about my pension now.
Any chance of taking it early now we have an end date? " party like it is 2025"
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Yup. And it'll be sufficient for me to live like a king.
Assuming I die about 13days after I retire that is.
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I think that there's been a lot of things happening in Germany that dosn't get reported in the British media. :-\
Not just Germany, Holland and the Scandinavian countries too but the good old BBC and other media outlets think we don't want to hear about it for some reason :-X :-X
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Mass migration has caused many problems across Europe in many different forms by different groups, but more perceived losses than gains from the poorer in 1st world country's society due to globalization, rising crime and the 0.1% who engage in terrorism which has lead to almost 500 deaths in the last year and the main political parties not wanting to engage with and discuss peoples genuine grievances, especially the left, so they are turning to the hard-left and right parties with their simplistic populist policies and solutions. Our current major disruption political era will end like the last one unless lessons are learned and there are more political openness and POLITE constructive discussion between the parties and the people. IMO it is inevitable, unless things change fast, that we will end up like the last major disruptive political era of the 1920's and 30's which we will again end in a major war except this time with nukes. :( :( :(
I have been called several times a Nazi, racist and eugenist by a left-wing person on here who objected to some of the issues I have raised where they don't think they should be discussed. Bipartisan politics in the US especially with the left's normal sanctimonious we are always correct, you thick, racist, deplorable has resulted in the white supremacist mafia criminal buffoon Trump being elected which is doing much damage to the USA's cohesiveness, credibility and international status than ever before. :( :( :(
I see Merkel like Cameron is saying lessons will be learned from the election, which is for any elected parties basically telling the electorate to go forth and multiply. >:( >:( >:(
With Obama/Kerry deeply flawed Iran nuclear deal meaning that they will legally have nukes in about 8 years and will almost certainly use them against Israel, Europe and the US once they have. I'm really not hopeful that most of humanity will make it much beyond 2025-2030. :( :( :(
The situation in the 1920's, 30's was vastly different than now, especially in Germany. That is why, strangely for me, I am down playing any potential repeat of history.
In 1919 Germany suffered the humiliation of the Versailles Treaty coupled with the wide spread belief they had not actually lost the Great War but following the Armistice had watched what Hitler called the Gang of Criminals sign away their countries respect, pride and honour, worse still suffering this all with their long term enemies, France, gloating. Then there was severe political unrest in Germany, with the Economic Depression coming on in 1929, causing hypo-inflation and mass unemployment. Hitler rose like a shining light to be seen by many to be a messiah, with his promises of a great future for the Fatherland if they shared his vision of an enlarged Germany, fit for natural Aryans and no others, with a restored military to bring back national pride and defend themselves against the evil of those nations who condemned them to such humiliation in the form of the Versailles Treaty, and who allowed France, with Belgium, to take control of the Rhineland in 1923 until 1925. He, then the Third Reich, wanted revenge. He saw foreigners as the cause of Germany's woes, and especially the Jews and Communists who were going to be made to pay for their "crimes".
So none of this history can be related to the current situation in Germany. ;)
The main worry for us all is much further East. The question of North Korea which could well result in some form of major conflict. ;)
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Interesting piece on euronews today . They interviewed the lady director of the US Germany Marshall Plan ( i was amazed it was still going). She said the afd got most votes in places with the least migrants and that there was still much left to do to integrate east and west germany.
Might beavailable on the euronews website.
Surely there are parallels. Afd doesnt want mosques and Islam.
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Interesting piece on euronews today . They interviewed the lady director of the US Germany Marshall Plan ( i was amazed it was still going). She said the afd got most votes in places with the least migrants and that there was still much left to do to integrate east and west germany.
Might beavailable on the euronews website.
Surely there are parallels. Afd doesnt want mosques and Islam.
Yes, you will always find them. But to compare 1920's/30's Germany with now is like chalk and cheese. The political and peoples climate is very different ;)
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Interesting piece on euronews today . They interviewed the lady director of the US Germany Marshall Plan ( i was amazed it was still going). She said the afd got most votes in places with the least migrants and that there was still much left to do to integrate east and west germany.
Might beavailable on the euronews website.
Surely there are parallels. Afd doesnt want mosques and Islam.
There is a more extreme side to european politics in general. Marine Le Pen in France, for example.
Yes, you will always find them. But to compare 1920's/30's Germany with now is like chalk and cheese. The political and peoples climate is very different ;)