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servotronic removal.. consequences?
« on: 26 January 2016, 20:15:06 »

my trackcar is based on a v6 with servotronic..

what would happen if i disconnect/remove it? heavy,normal or light steering?
any way to lock the solenoid in 1 position? or better, make it adjustable?

problem is that i've got no vss signal.
will work on that later with a signal converter and 1 abs sensor but for the time being gonna work with a gps speedo

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Re: servotronic removal.. consequences?
« Reply #1 on: 26 January 2016, 20:20:46 »

my trackcar is based on a v6 with servotronic..

what would happen if i disconnect/remove it? heavy,normal or light steering?
any way to lock the solenoid in 1 position? or better, make it adjustable?

problem is that i've got no vss signal.
will work on that later with a signal converter and 1 abs sensor but for the time being gonna work with a gps speedo
With the engine out, swap the steering box for a 4 cylinder one... nicely weighted and no servotronic to worry about :y
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Re: servotronic removal.. consequences?
« Reply #2 on: 26 January 2016, 20:34:48 »

Without the servotronic ecu fitted you'll get minimum assistance, which is probably what you'd want on a track car anyway.
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Re: servotronic removal.. consequences?
« Reply #3 on: 26 January 2016, 20:45:14 »

thanks, that was the answer i wanted to hear  8)
heavier is always better at high speeds.... and the only place i'm gonna park it on a trailer and upside down in the gravel  :P

swapping it out is also an option,engine is out at the moment... anyone got a idea if there is any weight difference? and how much?
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Re: servotronic removal.. consequences?
« Reply #4 on: 26 January 2016, 21:05:58 »

You'll save a few grams... normally that really wouldn't matter, but as you've stripped every last ounce from it, you might as well get gone :y

If it will fit, consider also a manual steering box from a 1.8 Omega A... that way you'll probably save 25-30kgs by losing all the powersteering gubbins 8)
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Re: servotronic removal.. consequences?
« Reply #5 on: 26 January 2016, 21:19:00 »

few grams isn't worth the investment and hassle.. few pounds/kilos is  :-\
anyone got one laying around and is willing to put it on a scale?  ::)

a box from a a-omega...worth the research.. good tip, thanks  :y
anyone already know if a a-box is adaptable? (to make my life a bit easier )
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Re: servotronic removal.. consequences?
« Reply #6 on: 29 January 2016, 20:24:30 »

With the weight of the omega, I would keep the power steering, as it will allow quicker steering response's, when you need them, a manual rack will be to slow, and not give enough feel.
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Re: servotronic removal.. consequences?
« Reply #7 on: 29 January 2016, 20:36:12 »

With the weight of the omega, I would keep the power steering, as it will allow quicker steering response's, when you need them, a manual rack will be to slow, and not give enough feel.
The four pot box ticks those boxes compared to Servotronic one imho ;)
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Re: servotronic removal.. consequences?
« Reply #8 on: 09 March 2016, 10:18:29 »

I am not sure if you will see any noticable difference on higher speeds (I suppose that you are making this car faster tracks).
A fuse on which the servotronic is located blew on my car -> the steering was significantly harder, but you could only notice this on low speed (0-20 kmh).
Also, a 4-pot omega doesn't feel much harder IMO.

Maybe you could consider switching to electronic servo -> steering column from a punto MK2 (or other car that has similar system), combined with non-PAS box (like from omega A). You would loose PAS pump, hoses, reservoir.
This is just an idea from the head, not sure if there is enough room for everything. 
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Re: servotronic removal.. consequences?
« Reply #9 on: 09 March 2016, 10:50:00 »

I am not sure if you will see any noticable difference on higher speeds (I suppose that you are making this car faster tracks).
A fuse on which the servotronic is located blew on my car -> the steering was significantly harder, but you could only notice this on low speed (0-20 kmh).
Also, a 4-pot omega doesn't feel much harder IMO.

Maybe you could consider switching to electronic servo -> steering column from a punto MK2 (or other car that has similar system), combined with non-PAS box (like from omega A). You would loose PAS pump, hoses, reservoir.
This is just an idea from the head, not sure if there is enough room for everything.


Swapping to a 4 cylinder box is probably the 'best' way of losing the servotronic, but I doubt you would notice much weight difference. If the reason for doing this is weight or power loss, have you considered fitting an electric pump instead of the engine driven one?


 Electric steering columns are the easiest way of fitting PAS to a car that doesn't have it, but for one that does they seem like a backward step to me. If anybody goes this route, the standard is a Corsa column(which would integrate nicely with an Omega) as all the parts are cheap and the conversion bugs have been sorted. A Punto column is a bad idea, as they are terribly unreliable!
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Re: servotronic removal.. consequences?
« Reply #10 on: 09 March 2016, 11:02:46 »

I reffered to punto as I knew it has it (a family member had punto MK2) and, off course, it failed. Wasn't sure what other cars had it - it seems that this is used only in smaller, city cars.
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Re: servotronic removal.. consequences?
« Reply #11 on: 10 March 2016, 00:08:56 »

I reffered to punto as I knew it has it (a family member had punto MK2) and, off course, it failed. Wasn't sure what other cars had it - it seems that this is used only in smaller, city cars.

Correct.  Do not fit a Corsa/Punto electronic PAS to something the size of an Omega.  It won't last five minutes!
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