Pollution now is nothing like it was 50 or 60 years ago, well except from my rear end! The recent 40k deaths a year from traffic pollution was shown to be a total fudge used by government to reignite the pollution "problem" since they are loosing the co2 argument. Government always needs a problem so they can tax us more, nothing new under the sun.
Maybe not in terms of heavy industry belching out filthy smoke from huge smoke stacks around the country, but we now have millions more cars, buses and trucks on the road all making contributions to pollution. 
To be honest I am slightly sceptical about man made climate change as there has always been climate change, but nobody can deny that the worlds climate is changing or that mans activity has no affect on our planet. 
CO2 or no CO2, clean energy generation is a good ambition IMHO. 
There is actually no evidence Man-Made CO2 is causing global warming, it's just a theory, a very big scary theory which can make a lot of people very rich like Al Gore with his beach front properties (rising seal-levels anyone?) and make governments oodles of extra tax plus control.
CO2 is a product of temperature change not the other way around, when Oceans warm they emit it and absorb it when they cool. We may well be emitting what seems a lot of CO2 but out of all CO2 in the atmosphere, about 2-3% of all atmospheric gases, we are emitting about 3.7 % of those CO2 gases. So 3.7% of that original 2-3%.
I never said there was or there wasn't. But by bringing it up you've proved how brainwashed people are about CO2.
Rods did it as well. As soon as I mention pollution, you all start whittering on about CO2! 
There was and still is a big push to class CO2 as a pollutant, I suppose you could call anything a pollutant, even oxygen if there was too much and it was making us a light-headed! I know you aren't saying that either 
It's not that I am sceptial or not sure about CO2, I just don't see any proper scientific evidence for it apart from circumstantial, which is about a 0.7oC warming in the last 150 years (from the little ice age in the 1800s no less), very stable when you look at past sudden climate changes. I do agree pollution is a big problem and we are causing havoc in some places with industrial waste, emission pollution like diesel in cities where high concentration of transport plus people is going to cause obvious problems, just like horse and cart shit caused in old London. Don't think we can ever have a functioning modern society without some form of emission, in that case ban curries - no more wind and methane!
Short video by Nobel prize winning scientist Ivar Giaever is worth watching:
http://www.mediatheque.lindau-nobel.org/videos/31259/the-strange-case-of-global-warming-2012/laureate-giaeverCar pollution levels are steady to dropping slightly in the UK depending on the pollution. iirc Nox is the one that is steady. The data is published online by the government's department of tree huggers. What is dropping much faster is the maximum allowed EU pollution levels which is driven by the EU rabid fascist tree hugging green fantasists lobby as usual.
Compared to 50-100 years a go when we had winter pea-soup smog the air is very clean and generally still getting better.
I think TB has a suggested solution for green eco tree huggers which will save the planet their CO2 and methane output/pollution.
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