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[tigers_gonads]

The rear donut bushes are have some play in them (which answers the question of why my lovely omega has been wanting to throw me off the road backwards when I change direction at serious speed on fast roads / motorways  )

Right, I believe my options are OEM rubber ones OR polys 

I've no VX trade club card anymore so what sort of prices i'm I looking at / best place to get these things from ?

Question to those who have had both on there omega's ............. what's the difference in feel / noise ect ?


Also, with this new job, my backs been aching like foook after a weeks work so may need a hand doing them if any of you kind gentlemen around these parts are available ??

TIA   

[Mr Gav]

The difference between the two is improved feel and feels more taught with the poly bushes with no sacrifice to comfort and they last forever 

Unfortunately I`m tied up for the next few months with other work so getting over will be difficult but if you struggle give me a shout and see if I can spare a Saturday morning to help out 

[tigers_gonads]

The difference between the two is improved feel and feels more taught with the poly bushes with no sacrifice to comfort and they last forever 

Unfortunately I`m tied up for the next few months with other work so getting over will be difficult but if you struggle give me a shout and see if I can spare a Saturday morning to help out 

Cheers Gav 
Think i've still got your number somewhere 

[tigers_gonads]

'dangle berries' 

Monkfish Performance have ceased trading 

Were else can I get polys ?

[Doctor Gollum]

'dangle berries' 

Monkfish Performance have ceased trading 

Were else can I get polys ?

Here...

https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/ped-ep1145/overview/?ibanner=MobileSwitchNo

[tigers_gonads]

Kin ell 

150 quid delivered 

Is that good ??

[Doctor Gollum]

Kin ell 

150 quid delivered 

Is that good ??

Given that the exchange rate is in the toilet and the alternative is importing them from Oz... what do you think?

At that price, the spacers might be worth a punt too... weren't available through Monkfish.

[tigers_gonads]

Kin ell 

150 quid delivered 

Is that good ??

Given that the exchange rate is in the toilet and the alternative is importing them from Oz... what do you think?

At the moment, I want to blub 

[Doctor Gollum]

They were around £110-125 delivered from Monkfish, so actually £150 is pretty good delivered from the States

[tigers_gonads]

They were around £110-125 delivered from Monkfish, so actually £150 is pretty good delivered from the States

Real question is are they worth 5 or 6 times as a rubber set 

[Doctor Gollum]

They were around £110-125 delivered from Monkfish, so actually £150 is pretty good delivered from the States

Real question is are they worth 5 or 6 times as a rubber set 

Every cent imho

[tigers_gonads]

They were around £110-125 delivered from Monkfish, so actually £150 is pretty good delivered from the States

Real question is are they worth 5 or 6 times as a rubber set 

Every cent imho

Oh bugger, deep down inside I knew you would say that 

[Doctor Gollum]

 

[tigers_gonads]

Oh well, not had a wage packet since the 7th July.
This current job I started 3 weeks ago pays monthly (on the 7th) and I'm not sure what i'll get for last month yet due to the tax man maybe thinking i've got 2 jobs and raping my arse  so i'll have to wait until then before I make a decision 

 

[tunnie]

They were around £110-125 delivered from Monkfish, so actually £150 is pretty good delivered from the States

Real question is are they worth 5 or 6 times as a rubber set 

Having driven a Polly'd 3.2 saloon, personally I'd say no. The Omega for me was always about being a comfortable motorway cruiser, it was not about chucking it hard around into country lanes at speed. If you want that, the Omega is the wrong choice.

[tigers_gonads]

Just had a cunning plan .................

I've got a mate in Temecula CA who works for Tesla 

I'll have a word ............

[Doctor Gollum]

They were around £110-125 delivered from Monkfish, so actually £150 is pretty good delivered from the States

Real question is are they worth 5 or 6 times as a rubber set 

Having driven a Polly'd 3.2 saloon, personally I'd say no. The Omega for me was always about being a comfortable motorway cruiser, it was not about chucking it hard around into country lanes at speed. If you want that, the Omega is the wrong choice.

TG has a manual 3.2 estate on lpg... and he drives it. Properly.

Anything that tightens the estate back end has to be an improvement.

Steve, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating

[TheBoy]

Its hard to say what the difference in feel is like, as its fair to say that most of us running on polys had shagged (probably original) rubber doughnuts previously. A bit like the new tyre syndrome.

Suffice to say, once I did the Silver Bullet, the handling difference made me do TBE as soon as was practical afterwards.


Obviously, when I said I did them, I meant chrisgixer changed them while I drank his tea and biscuits


Be aware, they are not completely a fit and forget item, even poly'd. Very, very aggressive driving, they do shift sometimes, and need reseating.  This is a relatively easy task, unlike removing the old rubber ones that get rusted in badly.


If I got another Omega, would I pay £150 for polys?  Answer: Yes.

[tigers_gonads]

Anybody ??
Need a approximate size / weight (including packaging) for these bushes if possible 

[tigers_gonads]

Its hard to say what the difference in feel is like, as its fair to say that most of us running on polys had shagged (probably original) rubber doughnuts previously. A bit like the new tyre syndrome.

Suffice to say, once I did the Silver Bullet, the handling difference made me do TBE as soon as was practical afterwards.


Obviously, when I said I did them, I meant chrisgixer changed them while I drank his tea and biscuits


Be aware, they are not completely a fit and forget item, even poly'd. Very, very aggressive driving, they do shift sometimes, and need reseating.  This is a relatively easy task, unlike removing the old rubber ones that get rusted in badly.


If I got another Omega, would I pay £150 for polys?  Answer: Yes.

That's will do for me 
Thanks TB 

[Doctor Gollum]

The extra $32 for EP1168 may well resolve the adjustment issue by dropping the front of the subframe slightly...

Never tried because they weren't available here.

[Mr Gav]

Put a wanted ad for some poly bushes on here, I`m sure there will be someone who got some in the group buy that has never fitted them 

[YZ250]

Anybody ??
Need a approximate size / weight (including packaging) for these bushes if possible 

The pair of EP1145 doughnut bushes, when packaged:

Length = 140mm
Width & depth = 115mm
Weight = 1.24kg  (this includes all of the packaging, which consists of clear packaging with a card label)

[tigers_gonads]

The extra $32 for EP1168 may well resolve the adjustment issue by dropping the front of the subframe slightly...

Never tried because they weren't available here.

How do these work Al ?

[tigers_gonads]

Put a wanted ad for some poly bushes on here, I`m sure there will be someone who got some in the group buy that has never fitted them 

Oh go on then 

[tigers_gonads]

Anybody ??
Need a approximate size / weight (including packaging) for these bushes if possible 

The pair of EP1145 doughnut bushes, when packaged:

Length = 140mm
Width & depth = 115mm
Weight = 1.24kg  (this includes all of the packaging, which consists of clear packaging with a card label)

Spot on that 
Thanks 

Details for a long lost but recently found mate who is in the states who just happens to have family crossing to this side of the pond in a few weeks 

[Doctor Gollum]

The extra $32 for EP1168 may well resolve the adjustment issue by dropping the front of the subframe slightly...

Never tried because they weren't available here.

How do these work Al ?

Struggling to find fitting guides for them, but they either fit between the supplied top pad and the chassis, or pack the gap between the main bush and the support plate... the latter being my guesstimate as this would reduce subframe movement to a minimum under extreme loads. That said, it may simply be a more substantial version of the pad in EP1145 and fitted as a halfway house in lieu of the factory pad

Overall, fitting is so straightforward that you would only be looking at an hour or so to try both

Incidentally,

http://www.pedders.co.uk/info-contact-us 

Ring Monkfish on Wednesday daytime 9-3 and ask re stock. Otherwise Pedders UK should be able to sort you, and answer any questions re the fitting of EP1168

[tigers_gonads]

Right, i've got a pair coming from cloggie land curtesy of Peter (Vega) 

After reading the guide (yes a first for me I know) and a few posts on this subject, i've a few questions ...........

1/
How easy do they come out ?
Is marks special tool  needed or will a assorted selection of screwdrivers and liberal use of a lump / claw hammer do the job ?
I see that it says that NO grease should be used 
Is this for OEM ones only or OEM and polys ?

2/
Getting the new ones back in ........
is it a case of warming them up in the oven, getting them seated then bolting it all back together ?

3/
Its mentioned that fitting these can move any stress to the rear mounts so without lying in the puddles outside, are we talking about the rear diff mounts which are not available 

Al pointed out what looks like a spacer (EP1168).
Would this help keep things in check or am I talking shite as normal ?

[Doctor Gollum]

Did you ring Pedders? As they would have answered your queries

3.Yes the rear mounts are the diff ones... these will either be fine or already shot. If shot they can be recast in either poly or resin... I went resin and the back end was absolutely rock solid

1. Do one side at a time. Remove the plate, lever the bulk out of the middle, might even fall out. The get a cold chisel and insert into one of the notches on the flange, obvious once there... then smash ten bells of shit out of it... aim is to make that point reach the centre of the space. Flange and remnants should pull out with minimal fuss.

You can piss about with a pair of claw hammers, but why bother?

2. Poly donuts are simply a push fit. A wipe of copperslip will prevent squeaking.

If not fitting polys, don't heat them... the standard ones contain a metal flange which will expand and you'll never get them in

[Mr Gav]

Did you ring Pedders? As they would have answered your queries

3.Yes the rear mounts are the diff ones... these will either be fine or already shot. If shot they can be recast in either poly or resin... I went resin and the back end was absolutely rock solid

1. Do one side at a time. Remove the plate, lever the bulk out of the middle, might even fall out. The get a cold chisel and insert into one of the notches on the flange, obvious once there... then smash ten bells of shit out of it... aim is to make that point reach the centre of the space. Flange and remnants should pull out with minimal fuss.

You can piss about with a pair of claw hammers, but why bother?

2. Poly donuts are simply a push fit. A wipe of copperslip will prevent squeaking.

If not fitting polys, don't heat them... the standard ones contain a metal flange which will expand and you'll never get them in

I used rubber grease for the ones I fitted.

[tigers_gonads]

Did you ring Pedders? As they would have answered your queries

3.Yes the rear mounts are the diff ones... these will either be fine or already shot. If shot they can be recast in either poly or resin... I went resin and the back end was absolutely rock solid

1. Do one side at a time. Remove the plate, lever the bulk out of the middle, might even fall out. The get a cold chisel and insert into one of the notches on the flange, obvious once there... then smash ten bells of shit out of it... aim is to make that point reach the centre of the space. Flange and remnants should pull out with minimal fuss.

You can piss about with a pair of claw hammers, but why bother?

2. Poly donuts are simply a push fit. A wipe of copperslip will prevent squeaking.

If not fitting polys, don't heat them... the standard ones contain a metal flange which will expand and you'll never get them in

Eh no 
Not had time 
Getting up at 05:30 / Mon - Fri
Getting home after 18:30 so totally oppsed

Just trying to get as much info before I rip it all apart 

[tigers_gonads]

Did you ring Pedders? As they would have answered your queries

3.Yes the rear mounts are the diff ones... these will either be fine or already shot. If shot they can be recast in either poly or resin... I went resin and the back end was absolutely rock solid

1. Do one side at a time. Remove the plate, lever the bulk out of the middle, might even fall out. The get a cold chisel and insert into one of the notches on the flange, obvious once there... then smash ten bells of shit out of it... aim is to make that point reach the centre of the space. Flange and remnants should pull out with minimal fuss.

You can piss about with a pair of claw hammers, but why bother?

2. Poly donuts are simply a push fit. A wipe of copperslip will prevent squeaking.

If not fitting polys, don't heat them... the standard ones contain a metal flange which will expand and you'll never get them in

I used rubber grease for the ones I fitted.

Red stuff ?
Stinks like shit ?

Got some somewhere 

[Doctor Gollum]

They aren't rubber

[tigers_gonads]

Rubber grease isn't shit but it sure smells like it 

[Mr Gav]

They aren't rubber

I know that 

[tigers_gonads]

There here 

A big thanks too our Dutch member Peter (Vega) for answering my call for help 

I'll let you all know how it goes around weekend if / when I get chance to have a play

[Lincs Robert]

Steve,

I'm pretty sure that they HAVE to be fitted a particular way, alignment marks maybe?
I had a pair incorrectly fitted once and it certainly livened up the ride a bit!

They had to be taken out & put back in the right way - whatever that was 

Good luck

[Doctor Gollum]

Steve,

I'm pretty sure that they HAVE to be fitted a particular way, alignment marks maybe?
I had a pair incorrectly fitted once and it certainly livened up the ride a bit!

They had to be taken out & put back in the right way - whatever that was 

Good luck

No such faffing with the poly ones...

Standard ones do indeed have a particular orientation... iirc, the structure of the bush should point towards the diff

[tigers_gonads]

Right, got the plate off curtesy of my new impact gun and lots of plus gas.
Rubber bit in the middle took a screwdriver in the middle and a bit of a tug and twist.

Now for the sleeve 

Are these fookers normally pressed in with some sort of mastic / panel sealant ?
Well this bugger is .......... 
1 1/2 hours upto now and its out by about a inch 

[tunnie]

Rear donuts? I rammed a brake caliper in the gap, then extended that, it pushed it out nicely 

[Doctor Gollum]

Hammer and cold chisel and smash ten bells of shit out of it across the car...

Should just pop out then

No point spending hours pissing about and straining yourself...

[tigers_gonads]

Well the 1 1/2 hours of abuse must have made it scared  so it only took another few slaps to fall out 

A good dose of Lidl's good stuff washing up liquid and a bottle jack got is started enough to get the freshly wire brushed and painted plate back most of the way on then the centre bolt bit and 5 minutes later its rebuilt the wheels going on 

I did leave the smaller top piece of bush off which sits ontop of the arm between the arm and the chassis because the original rubber one was in unmarked condition. Hoping that this will kill any NVH problems and still give me more control of the back end 

Looks like tomorrow will be same shit, another day when I do the other side 



Just to add if your after a impact gun and don't mind spending a few quid, Have a look at the Ryobi one.
400 nm of twisty action for 100 quid with a 3 year warranty but beware you will need to by a battery and charger too if you aint got one 

These bolts had been in there for 15 years and it pulled them out like a hot knife through butter (other spreads are available  )

[Doctor Gollum]

Fit the top pad.

[tigers_gonads]

Fit the top pad.

Why ?

Any option on this 

Can I phone a friend 

I take it the rubber pad should be removed ?

[johnnydog]

Right, got the plate off curtesy of my new impact gun and lots of plus gas.
Rubber bit in the middle took a screwdriver in the middle and a bit of a tug and twist.

Now for the sleeve 

Are these fookers normally pressed in with some sort of mastic / panel sealant ?
Well this bugger is .......... 
1 1/2 hours upto now and its out by about a inch 

Last time I replaced the doughnuts, I used a 3 legged puller with the legs knocked into the notches in the bush which started them moving slightly. I put suitably placed blocks of wood between the body and subframe, and supports under the subframe, with a long narrow bolt to fit in the centre of the bush with a nut for the puller to push against using the block of wood to retain the head, and they both came out reasonably easily in one piece. It just needs a bit of thinking, as you have forces pushing in both directions when you wind them out. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Fit the top pad.

Why ? Because the metal bush is designed to have it fitted... the different thickness of the original pad will allow the subframe to ride up off the main bush.

Any option on this  Nope.

Can I phone a friend  You can. The question is may you...

I take it the rubber pad should be removed ? Yes.

Now get it done

[tigers_gonads]

Fit the top pad.

Why ? Because the metal bush is designed to have it fitted... the different thickness of the original pad will allow the subframe to ride up off the main bush.

Any option on this  Nope.

Can I phone a friend  You can. The question is may you...

I take it the rubber pad should be removed ? Yes.

Now get it done

Yes boss
Sorry boss
Won't do it again boss 

[tigers_gonads]

'dangle berries' 

If I fit the other half of the Lemforder poly bush in place of the original rubber one, it is physically impossible to bolt up together due to the bit sticking out.

I have took some pictures but can never sus out how to use dropbox ect.

If I can email them to somebody, can they put them on THIS thread please 

[Doctor Gollum]

Be tight but should be doable

Try supporting the centre of the plate and fitting the three outer bolts then fit the centre bolt once the plate is secured to the chassis

[tigers_gonads]

Be tight but should be doable

Try supporting the centre of the plate and fitting the three outer bolts then fit the centre bolt once the plate is secured to the chassis

Tried but its a no go due to the 15mm sticking out where as the OEM one sits pretty much flush.
You can get a couple of turns on the 18mm bolt without the plate but once the plate is fitted, your stuffed 

Give me 5 mins, Kev has kindly offered to post the pictures once I email them to his ...........





Just to add, with the OEM pad fitted, the centre bolt and the 3 plate bolts / cover plate all bolted up to the chassis tighter then a nuns chuff

[Kevin Wood]

Here you go... 

[tigers_gonads]

Thanks Kev 

[tigers_gonads]

Okay, swapped jacks around and that got it high enough to do the job   
One down, one to go (if it stops raining) 

Is there a torque measurement for these bolts or are we talking, just before you shit yourself then 1/4 of a turn 

[Doctor Gollum]

90nm iirc, but touching cloth should suffice 

[tigers_gonads]

Job done 

And the verdict is ...........

On the minus side
YES, you get a little bit more road noise so i'll have to turn the radio up a notch or two 

On the plus side

Not really pushed too much (just been around a few corners / roundabouts) but these make a hell of a difference.
It now feels like the car is getting pushed out of a corner when you boot it 
Before it felt like the car was rolling at the back in the first instance before it pushed out of the corner (if that make sense) 
Definitely feels much better if you change direction quickly. No slop from the back end when you reverse the lock after the manoeuvre (again if that makes sense) 

As always, thanks to everybody who imputed on this thread and to Peter (Vega) for the bushes 

Right, hot bath because I ache like a bastid 
Then off to the pub for a well earned beer or 6 

Thanks lads 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Alls well that ends well. 

[YZ250]

Is there a torque measurement for these bolts or are we talking, just before you shit yourself then 1/4 of a turn 

I find the problem with this method is age related. When I was in my twenties 'just before I shit myself' would be around 450nm but at my current age it could happen before I even pick up the torque wrench.   
Soooo, this method is no longer reliable for me.