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[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I hope the authorities are planning on  "doing an Uber", and cancelling their licence to operate.
They have always been a disgraceful excuse for an airline, but have now become a complete farce. Either O,leary couldn't run a bath or the pilots holidays is a cover story for something more seriously wrong with his company.

[Doctor Gollum]

They might struggle given that he is effectively the Irish CAA...

That said, his comeuppance is long over due. I suspect Norwegian will gladly take over his operation in the not too distant future...

[Varche]

Hasnt some of the problem been down to pilots leaving to work at Norwegian Air?

Agreed it was abad way to run acompany but they willrife it out. Prive of flight is all to many people. Thatand availability.

[biggriffin]

Mr O Leary is a very clever boy, he doesn't do anything without a reason, might be a very clever out strategy.

[grifter]

Just heard on tranny that civil aviation board are taking them to task for constantly misleading passengers. O'leary is an unscrupulous arse, charging people to use the loo next, there's making a profit and there is taking the piss excuse the pun. The working conditions at ryanair are horrendous, it's all about profit, they wont even give employees coffee or water, they have to pay.

pprune.org is a good site for pilot chat, there's a thread on it in there

[jonathanh]

I think everyone is assuming that the CAA is run more efficiently than ryanair...

[Sir Tigger KC]

Yes I think that there is much more to this than meets the eye. 

It would be pretty foolish to book a flight with Ryanair at the moment I think. 

[Kevin Wood]

I think everyone is assuming that the CAA is run more efficiently than ryanair...

Good point. They compete alongside OFCOM for the title of the UK's most breakless, toothless regulator, as anyone who has had to deal with them will know.

They are supposed to be the last word in aviation in this country but don't know the difference between an aileron and a baggage trolley. Let's watch them get their gums into O'leary now.

[Doctor Gollum]

Hasnt some of the problem been down to pilots leaving to work at Norwegian Air?

Agreed it was a bad way to run a company but they will ride it out. Price of flight is all to many people. That and availability.

The pay and conditions issue has been a storm long brewing... people only work for them for experience. For pilots, it's an effective place to learn quickly as they fly to such a varied spread of airfields. Unfortunately, their wages are amongst the lowest in the industry.

Trying to postpone holidays with a £12k bonus is an open admission that a) the wages are crap, b) that the crews are already pushing their flying hours, and c) that they have far fewer staff than they need. The fact that take up of the offer has been minimal tells you just how bad the company is... for some that's bordering on 6 months money.

The whole airline is about every last penny and opps everyone else, always has been and will continue to be until it goes bust.

Incidentally, it's far from the first time that the CAA have had to give Ryanair a stern licking... they used to have at least one aircraft a week impounded at Stansted for never being cleaned properly... no point having a fire resistant cabin if it's full of litter. It was cheaper to pay for adhoc deep cleans and lose the aicraft for a week or two than to have a cleaning contract. Even Easyjet aircraft get properly cleaned once a day.

Mr O Leary is a very clever boy, he doesn't do anything without a reason, might be a very clever out strategy.

If this is the case, he is at least consistent... At no point has he ever considered anyone else.

That said, there have been several new airlines establishing themselves in central europe, and I suspect that Ryanair are starting to feel the heat.

[redelitev6]

It's hard to see how this can end well for con Ryanair

[Viral_Jim]

It's hard to see how this can end well for con Ryanair

Why? O'Conman knows his market. They'll swallow this and their memories will be short because Ryanair's target audience will shop on price and nothing else. If they used literally any other metric they would not fly with them 

I have flown exactly twice on Ryanair (one return trip) and that was under threat of dismissal  . It was exactly what I expected, nothing more nor less. I have never understood why people expect the same level of service from all airlines when the price varies so hugely.

BA on the other hand thought it was OK to offer the Ryanair experience on a £400 flight to Warsaw. So they are now joining Ryanair and AerLingus on the no-fly list.

[Doctor Gollum]

Aer Lingus does a cracking breakfast, unfortunately they are owned by the Irish government and effectively regulated by Mr O'leary

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I was listening to a debate about this on LBC on the way home from work this morning.
A Ryanair pilot called in and spilled the beans about how awful they are to work for and said the pilots are very angry indeed with how the company is run.
He claimed that Ryanair almost always employ newly qualified and inexperienced pilots, who have to pay Ryanair 300 euros just for the privilege of having an interview.
If they are selected for a job they have to pay Ryanair almost 30,000 euros upfront to have training in their planes.
They then work on a zero hours contract basis, until they gain a few years experience and then start trying to find jobs with other airlines.
After hearing him speak, I doubt I will ever fly with Ryanair again.
Being transported across the skies by an angry young man with little experience is not my idea of safe travel.

[Varche]

 

[Rods2]

Mr O'Deary's plan of making pilots an optional extra doesn't seem to be very popular!.