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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #45 on: 28 September 2017, 21:14:53 »

The big problem is politics. It is all so short term.

Imagine being the party that said you are all going to be worse off each year for years to the tune of £2000 each so that our grandchildren have a better life. They would be out next election. That is precisely the reason that our transport and NHS etc haven't ben addressed. Imagine being the politician that introduces road mile charging(inevitable) or pay for appointments with doc/consultant (inevitable).  They would be vilified.
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #46 on: 28 September 2017, 21:18:58 »

In principle, I'm with Lizzie on this. If possible take a lot of the freight off the roads. Then ban stupid drivers from the roads for life, leaving them only public transport to get around.
We would then be back to where we were a few decades ago, when the roads weren't constantly log jammed with vehicles, many of which are driven by utter morons.
Happy days are here again.  :D :)
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #47 on: 28 September 2017, 21:34:54 »

In principle, I'm with Lizzie on this. If possible take a lot of the freight off the roads. Then ban stupid drivers from the roads for life, leaving them only public transport to get around.
We would then be back to where we were a few decades ago, when the roads weren't constantly log jammed with vehicles, many of which are driven by utter morons.
Happy days are here again.  :D :)

Oh yes, those glorious days in the 1970's when I drove out on business and, with the exception of Greater London, rarely joined a long queue of traffic. Mostly I drove relaxed and arrived at my destination bang on time. Since then it has just got worse and worse, and now I rarely NOT join a lengthy queue of traffic ::)
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #48 on: 28 September 2017, 21:39:20 »

But you were doubtless sitting in a horrendous mustard-coloured velour box built by brummy communists.

Some elements of the past are best left there.  ;D
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #49 on: 28 September 2017, 21:45:20 »

I was sitting in a Chevette HS, looking out the side window while steering it on the throttle. They were definitely happy days.  :P ;D
Liverpool docks to Colchester in in 3 hours 20, when the last 100 miles from the M1 to Colchester was all single carriage way.
We don't just think it was better in the old days. It was better.  :)

Oh, and I had hair. Lots and lots of hair. Now have a 9 inch centre parting.  ;D
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #50 on: 28 September 2017, 22:22:13 »

I remember Nottingham to Scarborough in the 70's in times always less than now.

So progress is more comfortable cars but slower journey times.
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #51 on: 28 September 2017, 23:50:34 »

Lizzie in the next few years trucks will be driverless and working 23/7 while the rail unions will let £80k+pa train drivers be phased out at about the time as hell freezes over, making the railways even less competitive. :( :( :(
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #52 on: 29 September 2017, 00:37:41 »

Wait on, driverless trains, better signalling and more trains per hour. Ive seen the future ( well i cant sleep)


In 1980 i remember they had damn fine driverless underground trains in Russia.
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #53 on: 29 September 2017, 04:29:42 »

Besides LZ, you don't HAVE to live on the channel freight corridor ::)

Thanks for deciding I do not have to live down here. You obviously know everything about me!! ::) ::)

I actually do HAVE to live down here.
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Ar the penny just dropped.
Miss LZ wants all the smelly big lorries banned, because all them lorries, exiting the channel tunnel, are adding 5 minutes to her journey times.

Sorry LZ but even after brexit, them trucks will still come streaming in every 45mins, and I think 60 trucks per train.
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #54 on: 29 September 2017, 07:44:49 »

In principle, I'm with Lizzie on this. If possible take a lot of the freight off the roads. Then ban stupid drivers from the roads for life, leaving them only public transport to get around.
We would then be back to where we were a few decades ago, when the roads weren't constantly log jammed with vehicles, many of which are driven by utter morons.
Happy days are here again.  :D :)

Oh yes, those glorious days in the 1970's when I drove out on business and, with the exception of Greater London, rarely joined a long queue of traffic. Mostly I drove relaxed and arrived at my destination bang on time. Since then it has just got worse and worse, and now I rarely NOT join a lengthy queue of traffic ::)


Traffic congestion has been deliberately engineered by the hotel industry. Big hotel chains employ arrmies of drivers to just clog up the roads, so that if you really absolutely must be somewehere with 100% certainty and on time, you stay over the night before  ;)

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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #55 on: 29 September 2017, 09:31:08 »

But you were doubtless sitting in a horrendous mustard-coloured velour box built by brummy communists.

Some elements of the past are best left there.  ;D


.....and I was in a brand new red Escort Mk1 1100, feeling like I was the bees-knees.  What happy memories. 8) 8) 8) ;)
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #56 on: 29 September 2017, 09:39:29 »

Besides LZ, you don't HAVE to live on the channel freight corridor ::)

Thanks for deciding I do not have to live down here. You obviously know everything about me!! ::) ::)

I actually do HAVE to live down here.
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Ar the penny just dropped.
Miss LZ wants all the smelly big lorries banned, because all them lorries, exiting the channel tunnel, are adding 5 minutes to her journey times.

Sorry LZ but even after brexit, them trucks will still come streaming in every 45mins, and I think 60 trucks per train.

Too true! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y

Seriously though you should see how those lorries are parking anywhere and everywhere down here during their driving breaks.  They are also smashing up the roads! ::) ::)   Of course they are still considering building a 3,000 lorry park on lovely green fields for when "Operation Stack" is required.  Better than the M20 being used as a lorry park though, when we all have to use diversions to get anywhere, and you have 44 tonne Continental trucks going through local housing estates in a bid to bypass the road jams due to the M20 being closed! >:( >:( >:(

There must be a better way, and that is the railways! ;)
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #57 on: 29 September 2017, 09:56:12 »

Besides LZ, you don't HAVE to live on the channel freight corridor ::)

Thanks for deciding I do not have to live down here. You obviously know everything about me!! ::) ::)

I actually do HAVE to live down here.
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Ar the penny just dropped.
Miss LZ wants all the smelly big lorries banned, because all them lorries, exiting the channel tunnel, are adding 5 minutes to her journey times.

Sorry LZ but even after brexit, them trucks will still come streaming in every 45mins, and I think 60 trucks per train.

Too true! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y

Seriously though you should see how those lorries are parking anywhere and everywhere down here during their driving breaks.  They are also smashing up the roads! ::) ::)   Of course they are still considering building a 3,000 lorry park on lovely green fields for when "Operation Stack" is required.  Better than the M20 being used as a lorry park though, when we all have to use diversions to get anywhere, and you have 44 tonne Continental trucks going through local housing estates in a bid to bypass the road jams due to the M20 being closed! >:( >:( >:(

There must be a better way, and that is the railways! ;)

I think the answer to that is to move the offload point for the trucks somewhere else - probably a dedicated 'port' somewhere close to the M25 junction with the M2/M20. After all, I'd bet that the vast majority of the trucks go that way, and after BREXIT there is probably going to have to be a large customs clearance point anyway. What's the point of offloading all the lorries from the train at Folkstone and then the lorries all drive up the M2/M20 when the train could 'drive' up much closer to London/M25 and offload there?

After the M25 it's more difficult because the lorries routes would spread out like a herd of cats.   
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #58 on: 29 September 2017, 10:44:42 »

Rail distribution can and does work, the 8 trains a day to/from Dirft confirm that (and the fact its being expanded with increased rail capacity included).

As for road congestion, ban lorries from overtaking in daylight hours would make a big difference (and given their speed deltas are bog all wont impact the haulage side)
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #59 on: 29 September 2017, 10:48:08 »

Actually, just checked, the 8 trains is the Tescos only, there are up to another 10 or so to the main railhead
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