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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #60 on: 29 September 2017, 10:59:44 »

Continental 44t lorries are exactly the same size as UK 44t lorries ;D

Incidentally that the roads are breaking up suggests a lack of foresight on behalf of your planners... Hundreds of trucks a day shouldn't be a surprise given the proximity to one of the busiest ports in the country... Being halfway between said port and the only available motorway with connections to the rest of the UK (M25) notwithstanding.

Modern Ashford has only grown because of the Channel Tunnel, and being a large area relatively flat land makes it ideal for building a supersized truck Park. It's about time UK lorryists had some decent facilities.
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #61 on: 29 September 2017, 11:03:15 »

Actually, just checked, the 8 trains is the Tescos only, there are up to another 10 or so to the main railhead
Where do they originate?

Presumably carrying bulk consignments of non perishables from a n other container port. The incoming goods the presumably leave on lorries :-\
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #62 on: 29 September 2017, 11:09:37 »

Rail distribution can and does work, the 8 trains a day to/from Dirft confirm that (and the fact its being expanded with increased rail capacity included).

As for road congestion, ban lorries from overtaking in daylight hours would make a big difference (and given their speed deltas are bog all wont impact the haulage side)

Yes indeed, a brilliant example of what I have been saying can work if political minds and cash can be put behind it. :y :y :y :y
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #63 on: 29 September 2017, 11:14:22 »

Continental 44t lorries are exactly the same size as UK 44t lorries ;D

Incidentally that the roads are breaking up suggests a lack of foresight on behalf of your planners... Hundreds of trucks a day shouldn't be a surprise given the proximity to one of the busiest ports in the country... Being halfway between said port and the only available motorway with connections to the rest of the UK (M25) notwithstanding.

Modern Ashford has only grown because of the Channel Tunnel, and being a large area relatively flat land makes it ideal for building a supersized truck Park. It's about time UK lorryists had some decent facilities.

Did I say any different? :-\

The difference is that foreign plated lorries make a huge percentage of the overall 44 tonne traffic.

As for planning stronger roads; that has been done, but as lorries have grown in size and number, they are not strong enough.  But, instead of spending huge sums reinforcing all roads, let us spend that money on the new railway system. ;)
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #64 on: 29 September 2017, 11:15:52 »

Actually, just checked, the 8 trains is the Tescos only, there are up to another 10 or so to the main railhead
Where do they originate?

Presumably carrying bulk consignments of non perishables from a n other container port. The incoming goods the presumably leave on lorries :-\

Ports and other rail connected distribution points (Scotland, London Gateway etc).  :y

Makes sense as the there is no better means of moving the bulk items
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #65 on: 29 September 2017, 11:22:52 »

Actually, just checked, the 8 trains is the Tescos only, there are up to another 10 or so to the main railhead
Where do they originate?

Presumably carrying bulk consignments of non perishables from a n other container port. The incoming goods the presumably leave on lorries :-\

Ports and other rail connected distribution points (Scotland, London Gateway etc).  :y

Makes sense as the there is no better means of moving the bulk items

Like this you mean?:
http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=British%20Transport%20Commission&objid=1996-7038_BTF_52_24

That is how it was done! :D ;)

Now they would move them by road, holding up thousands of motorists and costing the economy and them tens of thousands of pounds in extra costs >:(


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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #66 on: 29 September 2017, 11:24:27 »

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As for planning stronger roads; that has been done, but as lorries have grown in size and number, they are not strong enough.  But, instead of spending huge sums reinforcing all roads, let us spend that money on the new railway system.
Extra spending which would have been avoided if planners could see past the end of their noses.
Growth makes the world go round... Failing to at least acknowledge that fact, let alone allow or prepare for it was a criminal waste of public money brought about from pandering to left wing nimbyism.

The only way to remove those trucks would be to run a double width truck train straight to Birmingham. Good luck selling the idea though... ;)
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« Reply #67 on: 29 September 2017, 11:27:17 »

Actually, just checked, the 8 trains is the Tescos only, there are up to another 10 or so to the main railhead
Where do they originate?

Presumably carrying bulk consignments of non perishables from a n other container port. The incoming goods the presumably leave on lorries :-\

Ports and other rail connected distribution points (Scotland, London Gateway etc).  :y

Makes sense as the there is no better means of moving the bulk items
Presumably all non urgent due to load/unload times.

Big difference between single oversized loads and mixed consignment bulk loads.
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #68 on: 29 September 2017, 11:49:09 »

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As for planning stronger roads; that has been done, but as lorries have grown in size and number, they are not strong enough.  But, instead of spending huge sums reinforcing all roads, let us spend that money on the new railway system.
Extra spending which would have been avoided if planners could see past the end of their noses.
Growth makes the world go round... Failing to at least acknowledge that fact, let alone allow or prepare for it was a criminal waste of public money brought about from pandering to left wing nimbyism.

The only way to remove those trucks would be to run a double width truck train straight to Birmingham. Good luck selling the idea though... ;)

DG, Isambard Kingdom Brunel designed just that with his 7'1" gauge railway, but it it wasn't taken up by other operators, so we are stuck with 4'8.5" standard gauge. If his gauge prevailed, think of the extra capacity - and safety - we could have had.  8)

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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #69 on: 29 September 2017, 12:03:20 »

Actually, just checked, the 8 trains is the Tescos only, there are up to another 10 or so to the main railhead
Where do they originate?

Presumably carrying bulk consignments of non perishables from a n other container port. The incoming goods the presumably leave on lorries :-\

Ports and other rail connected distribution points (Scotland, London Gateway etc).  :y

Makes sense as the there is no better means of moving the bulk items
Presumably all non urgent due to load/unload times.

Big difference between single oversized loads and mixed consignment bulk loads.

It would appear that's not necessarily the case, a reasonable mix of container types (they are unloaded to the main distribution centre within 1-2 hours and vary from standard through to chilled). I guess when your feeding a supply chain such as Tesco then bulk work well like this and lorries then take over once the goods are sorted into store drops.  :y

As an example, there is a few a day that travel Coatbridge to Felixstowe calling at container drop/pickup points (including Crewe, Dirft, Wembley, Ipswich and then Felixstowe) so its very possible to move them pretty quickly and efficiently.
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #70 on: 29 September 2017, 12:08:42 »

I cannot resist posting this other fine example of bulk load rail movement of the past:

http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=Liverpool%20Street&objid=1995-7233_LIVST_FE_157

But the railways moved massive quantities of loose freight:
http://www.railwayarchitecture.org.uk/Location/Newcastle/Forth%20Goods/Forth-Goods-7.jpg

You wonder how they kept track of it all before computers, but they did!  With containers and computers now it is so much easier to move almost anything by rail :y
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #71 on: 29 September 2017, 12:13:14 »

Actually, just checked, the 8 trains is the Tescos only, there are up to another 10 or so to the main railhead
Where do they originate?

Presumably carrying bulk consignments of non perishables from a n other container port. The incoming goods the presumably leave on lorries :-\

Ports and other rail connected distribution points (Scotland, London Gateway etc).  :y

Makes sense as the there is no better means of moving the bulk items
Presumably all non urgent due to load/unload times.

Big difference between single oversized loads and mixed consignment bulk loads.

It would appear that's not necessarily the case, a reasonable mix of container types (they are unloaded to the main distribution centre within 1-2 hours and vary from standard through to chilled). I guess when your feeding a supply chain such as Tesco then bulk work well like this and lorries then take over once the goods are sorted into store drops.  :y

As an example, there is a few a day that travel Coatbridge to Felixstowe calling at container drop/pickup points (including Crewe, Dirft, Wembley, Ipswich and then Felixstowe) so its very possible to move them pretty quickly and efficiently.

Further great examples of how it can be done! :y :y

But of course there will still be people who say it cannot, like there were when the building of railways and their structures was taking place.  "they will never take on; it cannot be done; that bridge will collapse with the first train, etc, etc".  It was all said! ::) ::) ::)

Nothing with time, money, vision and enterprise is impossible! ;)
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #72 on: 29 September 2017, 12:22:02 »

Shame that the same vision wasn't applied to Ashford ::)
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #73 on: 29 September 2017, 12:28:53 »

Shame that the same vision wasn't applied to Ashford ::)

Oh really?

That is why we have Ashford International Station on the HS1 coming through the town, and the South Eastern Railway original had the foresight to not only build a successful railway network, but they had their main engine building facility here as well.  Now Hitachi service their trains here as well.  So, that is vision.  All it needs is others to have the same. ;)
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Re: Beeching was far too liberal
« Reply #74 on: 29 September 2017, 12:37:43 »

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As for planning stronger roads; that has been done, but as lorries have grown in size and number, they are not strong enough.  But, instead of spending huge sums reinforcing all roads, let us spend that money on the new railway system.
Extra spending which would have been avoided if planners could see past the end of their noses.
Growth makes the world go round... Failing to at least acknowledge that fact, let alone allow or prepare for it was a criminal waste of public money brought about from pandering to left wing nimbyism.

The only way to remove those trucks would be to run a double width truck train straight to Birmingham. Good luck selling the idea though... ;)

DG, Isambard Kingdom Brunel designed just that with his 7'1" gauge railway, but it it wasn't taken up by other operators, so we are stuck with 4'8.5" standard gauge. If his gauge prevailed, think of the extra capacity - and safety - we could have had.  8)

Ron.

Being fussy, it was strictly speaking 7' 0 1/4", having been increased from 7' to ease movement across junctions and tight curves.

But, you are right.  I have long stated what advantages there would have been if all UK main line railways had operated on the Broad Gauge. The additional loading capacities would have made railways a lot more profitable, faster and safer.

However, due to political lobbying by Stevenson supporters and other railway operators the decision was made in 1845 for all new railways to be built to a Standard, 4' 8 1/2 gauge. Thus the Broad gauge was relegated to history, but lines of this gauge survived until 1892.  Today however, the advantages of wide lines and track space can still be seen along the old GWR routes. ;)
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