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Re: Charity Dinners
« Reply #30 on: 25 January 2018, 11:02:41 »

How about hiring non gender specific out for events like this then everything is covered they can all be outraged & discuss it like normal human beings, if there is such a thing nowadays 😀
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« Reply #31 on: 25 January 2018, 17:18:34 »

The 2 things that's pissing me off about this Lizzie is:-

Firstly, the portrayal that these woman are young and vulnerable.  I used to work for a company that provided support services to Formula One and Moto GP and so got to know a few of the promo girls.  This sort of work is a kind of 'circuit' and many of the girls go from job to next and are constantly networking for the next job.  In many cases they get very well paid and looked after and as one said to me " I won't look like this forever " They trade on their looks and personality and believe me the majority can look after themselves! My younger randier self found that out a few times!  ::)  ;D  I'm not saying it's OK for men to cop a feel of these girls just that the majority would have gone into that event with open eyes.  ;)

Secondly, the media are trying to tell us that ALL of the men were behaving badly, which I'm sure is complete nonsense. The Guardian has even published a list of well known men that attended FFS, which has to be walking a fine legal line?  One account in the BBC said that some of the women were seen going up in the lifts with the men, not some men, the men! For sure when you mix a bunch of guys, alcohol and beautiful young women, one or two will get a bit over excited and I'm equally sure that a few of the girls got a bit over excited in the company of wealthy powerful men!  ::)  It happens, it's human nature....

People are very quick to jump on the outrage bus today, often without knowing the true facts of a story and I fear for the direction that society is going, as we seem to be heading for a new age of the puritans.  :(

Nicely put Sir Tig. :y :y :y
I'm not sure if I told this before, but shortly after I joined BA at age 40, the whole 707 crew were out for an evening meal in  Mexico City. As I was the oldest flight deck member some of the cabin crew assumed I was the Captain, and one girl fairly obviously put the moves on me. The two pilots played along with amusement. She was mightily put out when she woke up in my room (if only ::)) saw me at breakfast in uniform. My point being that certain girls/women/ladies have an eye for the main chance and grab it any  way they can. I can assure you of that from that experience, and also seeing the way other female cabin crew have nailed Captains, a significant number of whom finished up on second and third marriages because of it. :y
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« Reply #32 on: 25 January 2018, 17:43:02 »

Exactly, alcohol sexily dressed females & wealthy men ,was never going to be like a Sunday school outing was it.
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« Reply #33 on: 25 January 2018, 18:09:12 »

I’ve been sexually harassed by women for most of my life. I’ve just kept quiet and put up with it because I understand it’s how the female mind works.
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« Reply #34 on: 25 January 2018, 18:13:32 »

I have dreams like that.....

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« Reply #35 on: 25 January 2018, 18:49:17 »

The 2 things that's pissing me off about this Lizzie is:-

Firstly, the portrayal that these woman are young and vulnerable.  I used to work for a company that provided support services to Formula One and Moto GP and so got to know a few of the promo girls.  This sort of work is a kind of 'circuit' and many of the girls go from job to next and are constantly networking for the next job.  In many cases they get very well paid and looked after and as one said to me " I won't look like this forever " They trade on their looks and personality and believe me the majority can look after themselves! My younger randier self found that out a few times!  ::)  ;D  I'm not saying it's OK for men to cop a feel of these girls just that the majority would have gone into that event with open eyes.  ;)

Secondly, the media are trying to tell us that ALL of the men were behaving badly, which I'm sure is complete nonsense. The Guardian has even published a list of well known men that attended FFS, which has to be walking a fine legal line?  One account in the BBC said that some of the women were seen going up in the lifts with the men, not some men, the men! For sure when you mix a bunch of guys, alcohol and beautiful young women, one or two will get a bit over excited and I'm equally sure that a few of the girls got a bit over excited in the company of wealthy powerful men!  ::)  It happens, it's human nature....

People are very quick to jump on the outrage bus today, often without knowing the true facts of a story and I fear for the direction that society is going, as we seem to be heading for a new age of the puritans.  :(

I hear what you say Sir Tigger and I actually agree with you.  But you emphasise the confusion now in society with both male and females as to what is acceptable behaviour or not.

The women you quote at motor racing circuits,  along with boxing matches and general "glamour" work, is where women do seek employment and use their beauty as the sponsors want to "sex up" the occasion and give it something special, with photographs to match. BUT they are not gropped (or at least in public) as the men at those events recognise and accept the lines of decency laid down.  They do not want the media to pick up images of women being molested, willingly or not; they want their "product" or event promoted in the right manner.  The women are engaged knowing they will be seen by men as "a bit of totty", but they are doing it for the money, as a job / career, and are not naive in any way, but are still vulnerable women, as indeed most women are throughout their lives.

No, not all men behave badly, and that has not been said by those at the Presidents Club event.  Rather men said they left early after feeling very uncomfortable about what started to go on well into the evening. It was also reported, the compare warned all attending the event that there would be young women serving them at their tables at this all male occasion, and they were to be treated with respect, reminding all that (as I stated earlier) these women could be their daughters or Grand daughters. The lines of decency were laid down.  The girls were not "career escort ladies", but in many cases just girls looking for a bit of cash and fun (not sexual) as in the case of one who is reported to be a law student.

Yes, the media HAS made too much about it, but I think this reflects the confusion and hypocrisy that exists throughout our society of how women should be treated, not helped by the media itself! Girls, young women, often do not help themselves and go along with what men want because either they can see profit in that; not necessarily in the form of cash, but love, romance and future security or they want a career in the escort industry / want the thought of no ties sexual excitement. Yes, men are confused by all that, but a man must recognise the worth of women, that can be loved and become their future partners, compared to the woman who is a simple tart. It is difficult for men to read the signals women frequently give out, but I am afraid men must learn how to read them, and remember they may well have a wife / partner back home who loves them and expects them to keep their moral standards up, and not cheat on them.

This event went far too far for a charity function at a top class London hotel, and I can imagine that many men who attended are now being asked some very serious question by their loved ones of their personal participation.  Clothes will be be scanned for lipstick stains, and other stains (!!), along with the smell of any scents!!

Once more though, it is down to certain sections of our society, male AND female to think about how they act and the signals being transmitted.  At this event the leaders of commerce and politics, who should have been seen to be very upstanding and responsible, and an excellent example of modern managers of people who treat their work force with respect. They let themselves, and other men, down badly.
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Re: Charity Dinners
« Reply #36 on: 25 January 2018, 19:46:07 »

The 2 things that's pissing me off about this Lizzie is:-

Firstly, the portrayal that these woman are young and vulnerable.  I used to work for a company that provided support services to Formula One and Moto GP and so got to know a few of the promo girls.  This sort of work is a kind of 'circuit' and many of the girls go from job to next and are constantly networking for the next job.  In many cases they get very well paid and looked after and as one said to me " I won't look like this forever " They trade on their looks and personality and believe me the majority can look after themselves! My younger randier self found that out a few times!  ::)  ;D  I'm not saying it's OK for men to cop a feel of these girls just that the majority would have gone into that event with open eyes.  ;)

Secondly, the media are trying to tell us that ALL of the men were behaving badly, which I'm sure is complete nonsense. The Guardian has even published a list of well known men that attended FFS, which has to be walking a fine legal line?  One account in the BBC said that some of the women were seen going up in the lifts with the men, not some men, the men! For sure when you mix a bunch of guys, alcohol and beautiful young women, one or two will get a bit over excited and I'm equally sure that a few of the girls got a bit over excited in the company of wealthy powerful men!  ::)  It happens, it's human nature....

People are very quick to jump on the outrage bus today, often without knowing the true facts of a story and I fear for the direction that society is going, as we seem to be heading for a new age of the puritans.  :(

I hear what you say Sir Tigger and I actually agree with you.  But you emphasise the confusion now in society with both male and females as to what is acceptable behaviour or not.

The women you quote at motor racing circuits,  along with boxing matches and general "glamour" work, is where women do seek employment and use their beauty as the sponsors want to "sex up" the occasion and give it something special, with photographs to match. BUT they are not gropped (or at least in public) as the men at those events recognise and accept the lines of decency laid down.  They do not want the media to pick up images of women being molested, willingly or not; they want their "product" or event promoted in the right manner.  The women are engaged knowing they will be seen by men as "a bit of totty", but they are doing it for the money, as a job / career, and are not naive in any way, but are still vulnerable women, as indeed most women are throughout their lives.

No, not all men behave badly, and that has not been said by those at the Presidents Club event.  Rather men said they left early after feeling very uncomfortable about what started to go on well into the evening. It was also reported, the compare warned all attending the event that there would be young women serving them at their tables at this all male occasion, and they were to be treated with respect, reminding all that (as I stated earlier) these women could be their daughters or Grand daughters. The lines of decency were laid down.  The girls were not "career escort ladies", but in many cases just girls looking for a bit of cash and fun (not sexual) as in the case of one who is reported to be a law student.

Yes, the media HAS made too much about it, but I think this reflects the confusion and hypocrisy that exists throughout our society of how women should be treated, not helped by the media itself! Girls, young women, often do not help themselves and go along with what men want because either they can see profit in that; not necessarily in the form of cash, but love, romance and future security or they want a career in the escort industry / want the thought of no ties sexual excitement. Yes, men are confused by all that, but a man must recognise the worth of women, that can be loved and become their future partners, compared to the woman who is a simple tart. It is difficult for men to read the signals women frequently give out, but I am afraid men must learn how to read them, and remember they may well have a wife / partner back home who loves them and expects them to keep their moral standards up, and not cheat on them.

This event went far too far for a charity function at a top class London hotel, and I can imagine that many men who attended are now being asked some very serious question by their loved ones of their personal participation. Clothes will be be scanned for lipstick stains, and other stains (!!), along with the smell of any scents!!

Once more though, it is down to certain sections of our society, male AND female to think about how they act and the signals being transmitted.  At this event the leaders of commerce and politics, who should have been seen to be very upstanding and responsible, and an excellent example of modern managers of people who treat their work force with respect. They let themselves, and other men, down badly.

 :o :o :o :o I presume you mean coffee and tea stains, Lizzie. :-* :-* :-* :-*
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« Reply #37 on: 25 January 2018, 19:47:00 »

I believe some of the men were very upstanding.
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« Reply #38 on: 25 January 2018, 19:51:23 »

I believe some of the men were very upstanding.

To my mind the whole episode seems to have been blown out of all proportion. In the great scheme of things what went down was very minor.
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« Reply #39 on: 25 January 2018, 20:13:55 »

I believe some of the men were very upstanding.

To my mind the whole episode seems to have been blown out of all proportion. In the great scheme of things what went down was very minor.
Of course. But isn’t that the way of this over sensitive, self important, me me me world. Over the last years everything seems to have changed regarding women’s rights, poofters rights, weirdos rights, foreigners rights....ad nauseum.
Well....not me....I’m the same bigoted bloke I’ve always been. This fella ain’t for turning.  ;D
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« Reply #40 on: 25 January 2018, 20:25:36 »

Yes, we seem to be in defiance of nature in many aspects of life nowadays. Nature demands that man is the chaser, woman is the chasted (and not necessarily chaste!).
As we are all "equal", why do women still expect the privileges of a protected species? They dress extremely provocatively, to attract, and when that attraction happens, seem surprised and unprepared for the consequences. What you sow....
Equality means that no one group sho;uld have more rights than another.
Homosexuality is also against nature, but that's enough of supporting STEMO for now! 

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« Reply #41 on: 25 January 2018, 21:38:44 »

I have to say that whether the girls should have expected it or not, it’s still not really acceptable for men in a position of power (which they are, either by virtue of money or status) to take advantage of that power.

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« Reply #42 on: 25 January 2018, 23:13:30 »

The girls were not "career escort ladies".......

I suspect that there were a few 'ladies' of this description at The Dorchester that night Lizzie!  :-X  ;)
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« Reply #43 on: 26 January 2018, 13:36:33 »

The girls were not "career escort ladies".......

I suspect that there were a few 'ladies' of this description at The Dorchester that night Lizzie!  :-X  ;)

Reports suggest that they arrived later and went direct to certain rooms :D :D ;)
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« Reply #44 on: 26 January 2018, 13:52:51 »

Everybody knew what was involved/expected, especially with that prescribed dress code for the "waitresses" else they would have employed Ann Widdicome look-alikes!  :o

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