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« on: 28 January 2018, 17:38:33 »

A new Labour government will buy every homeless person in the country a house according to Jeremy Corbin, who said today that 8000 houses would be bought immediately for the homeless!  :)

So you can all tell your kids not to bother working and saving for a deposit, just vote Labour instead!  :y

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/28/jeremy-corbyn-announces-labour-will-buy-every-homeless-person/
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« Reply #1 on: 28 January 2018, 17:48:45 »

Sick of supporting these people, up at 6 in the morning 5 days a week to support breakless cant be bothered types wanting everything handed to them on a plate. Time to tell them they need to get a job like everyone else.
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« Reply #2 on: 28 January 2018, 18:23:53 »

I'll kick my autistic, depressive son out on the streets, then, and wait for him to be given a house?  :y

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« Reply #3 on: 28 January 2018, 18:30:01 »

I'll kick my autistic, depressive son out on the streets, then, and wait for him to be given a house?  :y

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If that's how 8000 people became homeless then who's fault is that?
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« Reply #4 on: 28 January 2018, 18:37:37 »

That was just a joke, as I'm sure you realise, but does Corbyn really think that 8,000 houses woukd be sufficient anyway?

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« Reply #5 on: 28 January 2018, 19:08:15 »



Well, this is to go with the abolition of tuition fees . . . . .

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« Reply #6 on: 28 January 2018, 19:33:13 »

Buy?......or somewhere to stay but not own.
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« Reply #7 on: 28 January 2018, 19:38:30 »

Govt. (i.e. taxpayer) buys the houses, then allows the homeless to live in them. He is simple minded enough to believe this will abolish homelessness. Or he knows it will add another 8000 + voters to his party. We will be able to tell which by watching if the houses are purchased in marginal Labour seats.
Buying peoples votes with other peoples money is the oldest trick in the socialist politicians handbook.
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« Reply #8 on: 28 January 2018, 19:56:28 »

Govt. (i.e. taxpayer) buys the houses, then allows the homeless to live in them. He is simple minded enough to believe this will abolish homelessness. Or he knows it will add another 8000 + voters to his party. We will be able to tell which by watching if the houses are purchased in marginal Labour seats.
Buying peoples votes with other peoples money is the oldest trick in the socialist politicians handbook.

Yes, and it works every time with the guliable, then others have to clean up their shite >:( >:(
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« Reply #9 on: 28 January 2018, 19:59:47 »

Gullible? Well, women voted for Tony B.Liar because he looked pretty.....

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« Reply #10 on: 28 January 2018, 20:06:30 »

Gullible? Well, women voted for Tony B.Liar because he looked pretty.....

Ron.
She didn’t say gullible, she said guliable.....which means that gullible people are liable to vote idiots in.........I think.  ;D
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« Reply #11 on: 28 January 2018, 20:16:32 »

Gullible? Well, women voted for Tony B.Liar because he looked pretty.....

Ron.
She didn’t say gullible, she said guliable.....which means that gullible people are liable to vote idiots in.........I think.  ;D

That's right. :y   Then the rest of us pick up the bill >:(
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« Reply #12 on: 28 January 2018, 20:19:09 »

Gullible? Well, women voted for Tony B.Liar because he looked pretty.....

Ron.
She didn’t say gullible, she said guliable.....which means that gullible people are liable to vote idiots in.........I think.  ;D

Nah, it just means that Lizzie can't spell!  :P

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« Reply #13 on: 28 January 2018, 20:19:42 »

Gullible? Well, women voted for Tony B.Liar because he looked pretty.....

Ron.
She didn’t say gullible, she said guliable.....which means that gullible people are liable to vote idiots in.........I think.  ;D

Nah, it just means that Lizzie can't spell!  :P

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Errrrr.......yup  ;D
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« Reply #14 on: 28 January 2018, 20:22:13 »

Gullible? Well, women voted for Tony B.Liar because he looked pretty.....

Ron.
She didn’t say gullible, she said guliable.....which means that gullible people are liable to vote idiots in.........I think.  ;D

Nah, it just means that Lizzie can't spell!  :P

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Errrrr.......yup  ;D

No, I'm using my damned iPad virtual keyboard! :D ;)
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« Reply #15 on: 28 January 2018, 20:24:25 »

Gullible? Well, women voted for Tony B.Liar because he looked pretty.....

Ron.
She didn’t say gullible, she said guliable.....which means that gullible people are liable to vote idiots in.........I think.  ;D

Nah, it just means that Lizzie can't spell!  :P

Ron.
Errrrr.......yup  ;D

No, I'm using my damned iPad virtual keyboard! :D ;)
So am I. Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. I seem to be able to use it okay......but I’m a man.  ::)
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« Reply #16 on: 28 January 2018, 20:34:54 »

Back to Corbyn flight of socialist fancy, that raises so many questions.

Do the homeless:
Pay rent (that the tax payer will meet)?
Pay council tax ( ditto)?
Will they get evicted when they use the house as a drugs den?
Will they get evicted when they use the house for mass and regular roudy drinking sessions?
Who pays for house repairs when they are evicted, or any vandalism that transpires?
Will they have to find employment within a certain time scale?
Who will own the houses?
Will all youngsters who have to live at their parents homes be given a house at 18 years of age?
Will anyone who is evicted from a council or private rented house, who become "homeless" be given a house?
Will the Labour Government (heaven help us!!) give local authorities a refund of all the costs to them of this scheme so the hard working population of a borough does not pay for it all?

I am sure you can all think of other questions, and flaws with this crackpot idea :o :o
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« Reply #17 on: 28 January 2018, 20:40:24 »

This might be relevant if Corbyn ever had a chance of being voted in. I won’t hold my breath.
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« Reply #18 on: 28 January 2018, 20:56:39 »

In normal times I would completely agree, but......Brexit, Trump, Corbyn actually being elected as leader and turning Labour into Europes biggest political party, all say we are sailing in uncharted waters where anything can happen.  :-\
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« Reply #19 on: 28 January 2018, 21:08:29 »

If 8,000 votes will actually make a difference to Labour party support, then they're going to need a bigger gimmick  ;D
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« Reply #20 on: 28 January 2018, 21:13:21 »

In normal times I would completely agree, but......Brexit, Trump, Corbyn actually being elected as leader and turning Labour into Europes biggest political party, all say we are sailing in uncharted waters where anything can happen.  :-\
Brexit was a vote for common sense.
Trump was elected so that Hillary wasn't. Heck, my dog would have beaten her in the polls.
Labour, Europe's largest political party?  By what measure? Union membership? A survey of all five Guardian readers? A Beeb news story?
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« Reply #21 on: 28 January 2018, 21:32:44 »

In normal times I would completely agree, but......Brexit, Trump, Corbyn actually being elected as leader and turning Labour into Europes biggest political party, all say we are sailing in uncharted waters where anything can happen.  :-\
OK.....let me put it another way. If he gets elected, then we deserve everything we get.
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« Reply #22 on: 28 January 2018, 21:35:11 »

In normal times I would completely agree, but......Brexit, Trump, Corbyn actually being elected as leader and turning Labour into Europes biggest political party, all say we are sailing in uncharted waters where anything can happen.  :-\
OK.....let me put it another way. If he gets elected, then we are completely fuct.
Fixt, deservedly or not.
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« Reply #23 on: 28 January 2018, 22:01:42 »

If Corbyn ever gets into power with a majority (he will have purged his party of all moderate MPs by then), so he can make all political parties illegal except Liebour, all businesses and property will be nationalized, with no compensation and him deciding who gets or runs what to what personal benefit, which will mean firstly himself and his Politburo, where the majority of the UK's wealth is in their hands, followed by trade unionists and loyal party members. Liebour voters will be treated with total contempt like everybody else where the expendable useful fools have done their job. >:( >:( >:(

This is all page one stuff in the Marxist Practical Guide to Consolidating Power and Creating a Full Revolutionary Dictatorship. It won't be TB conducting any culls but his revolutionary guards. Everybody will be expendable, except President Corbyn, which means all groups that are a threat to his dictatorship including business leaders, intellectuals, any former Tory or UKIP party members etc., etc. >:( >:( >:(

Don't be under any illusions on what full on Marxism means as there are plenty of regimes throughout the world that have done exactly this over the last 100 years. :( :( :(
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« Reply #24 on: 28 January 2018, 22:29:22 »

I believe that Corbyn and McDonnell are the biggest threat that this country currently faces, but I think you might be getting a little carried away there Rods!   ::)  :P  ;D
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« Reply #25 on: 28 January 2018, 22:36:27 »

Older folk underestimste the power of social media. 8000 houses isnt 8000 votes but many many more after simple targetted message retweeets, likes and so on.

I am constantly amazed at the stuff posted on my nephews facebook.

Of course with votes for 16year olds adding to the mix, Labour are just waiting for the Tories to stumble.
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« Reply #26 on: 28 January 2018, 23:35:37 »

In normal times I would completely agree, but......Brexit, Trump, Corbyn actually being elected as leader and turning Labour into Europes biggest political party, all say we are sailing in uncharted waters where anything can happen.  :-\
Brexit was a vote for common sense. Absolutely.  :y
Trump was elected so that Hillary wasn't. Heck, my dog would have beaten her in the polls.  Wouldn't disagree with that.
Labour, Europe's largest political party?  By what measure? Union membership? A survey of all five Guardian readers? A Beeb news story?
Sheer number of members.  Iirc, over 600,000 at the last count.;)
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« Reply #27 on: 28 January 2018, 23:44:22 »

I believe that Corbyn and McDonnell are the biggest threat that this country currently faces, but I think you might be getting a little carried away there Rods!   ::)  :P  ;D

Tempted to agree with a more benevolent view, but I really think that Rods could be correct. Just remember that the real power behind Corbyn and the Labour party is Momentum. Hard left, communist, and prepared to trample opposition, regardless of democracy.
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« Reply #28 on: 29 January 2018, 00:15:10 »

In normal times I would completely agree, but......Brexit, Trump, Corbyn actually being elected as leader and turning Labour into Europes biggest political party, all say we are sailing in uncharted waters where anything can happen.  :-\
OK.....let me put it another way. If he gets elected, then we deserve everything we get.

It could be prevented if instead of all this moronic talk of allowing 16 year olds the vote !! we had a law whereby no-one could vote until they had contributed at least 5 years of income tax into the system.
If theres no taxation without representation, then there should also be no representation without taxation.  :)
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« Reply #29 on: 29 January 2018, 01:52:19 »

What a stunningly good idea, Albs! No way are 16 year olds mature enough to make important political judgements/decisions - they need to "get their knees brown" first and have some experience of life, employment and responsibility first, and none of that can occur until at least age twenty one.
Maybe we ought to review female suffrage, too?  ???

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« Reply #30 on: 29 January 2018, 05:57:28 »

If 8,000 votes will actually make a difference to Labour party support, then they're going to need a bigger gimmick  ;D

Take a look at how many seats were won and lost by a handful of votes at the last election. 
I haven't checked, but I suspect that 8000 votes in the right / wrong places, could have given May a decent working majority or put Corbyn in Downing street.  ;)
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« Reply #31 on: 29 January 2018, 10:39:12 »

In normal times I would completely agree, but......Brexit, Trump, Corbyn actually being elected as leader and turning Labour into Europes biggest political party, all say we are sailing in uncharted waters where anything can happen.  :-\
OK.....let me put it another way. If he gets elected, then we deserve everything we get.

I'm waiting for Mr Bitz to become leader of UKIP. The odds are good. :)

Just need to get rid of the strutting self lmportant little nobody who currently has the reins. :)
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« Reply #32 on: 29 January 2018, 11:15:23 »

If I was a rough sleeper I'd immediately move to a new doorway in somewhere like Kensington, Chelsea or Belgravia, as I doubt they will be buying cheap flats in down market areas and shipping them out there for fear of accusations of social cleansing.  ;)

Oh no, those who abide in a doorway or on a bench will have to be housed in the same area.  :)
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« Reply #33 on: 29 January 2018, 11:25:51 »

Incidentally, he said that the 8000 houses would be taken over from housing associations. Maybe I'm wrong but my understanding is that these provide housing for the low paid etc. So, would the current occupiers be evicted ?

He really does come out with some ill considered crap.

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« Reply #34 on: 29 January 2018, 11:34:32 »

Incidentally, he said that the 8000 houses would be taken over from housing associations. Maybe I'm wrong but my understanding is that these provide housing for the low paid etc. So, would the current occupiers be evicted ?

He really does come out with some ill considered crap.

Yes because housing associations have thousands of empty properties around the country....  ::)

You're right Rog he does come out with ill considered crap, but the trouble is that there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions who are sucking it all up!  :( 
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« Reply #35 on: 29 January 2018, 13:16:38 »

Incidentally, he said that the 8000 houses would be taken over from housing associations. Maybe I'm wrong but my understanding is that these provide housing for the low paid etc. So, would the current occupiers be evicted ?

He really does come out with some ill considered crap.

Yes because housing associations have thousands of empty properties around the country....  ::)

You're right Rog he does come out with ill considered crap, but the trouble is that there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions who are sucking it all up!  :(
.. and nobody calling him to account. ::)
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« Reply #36 on: 29 January 2018, 14:28:45 »

.. and nobody calling him to account. ::)

You don't get elected by telling people the truth. You get elected by telling people what they want to hear and promising them the moon on a stick.
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« Reply #37 on: 29 January 2018, 14:36:08 »

And we never learn, do we? Surely by now we ought to understand that the relationship between politicians and the truth is a very distant one?  ::)

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« Reply #38 on: 29 January 2018, 16:17:57 »

.. and nobody calling him to account. ::)

You don't get elected by telling people the truth. You get elected by telling people what they want to hear and promising them the moon on a stick.

And once elected, that's it for a while. The manifesto can go in the bin

maybe we should have a "Consumer Rights Act" for Governments ? You know, not getting what you asked and paid for. Fit for purpose etc . . .  :y

 
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« Reply #39 on: 29 January 2018, 21:35:09 »

Don't kick the homeless, whilst they are down. Do we all really think that ANY of them want to be homeless? By homeless do we mean rough sleepers? OR families living in a one room B&B because they can't find any where to live, and Sofa Surfers?

Do we think that a civilised society is out where there is 250,000 empty homes and another 250,000 empty spaces above shops which could be converted into homes, with the right planning application and funding, whilst there are 500,000 homeless.

I advertised a 3 bed semi for rent in Crosby L23, Yesterday, on Openrent, and so far in 24 hours , 15 expressions of interest. There are NOT enough homes to go around, and why should the homeless be less entitled to a home.

Unless you know their story, do not judge.

??% of people have no real back financial back up. They are in debt, and if they lost thier job tomorrow, they'd be struggling to pay the rent. Add in a little mental illness and a touch of alcohol and you're pretty much a down and out.

If Jezza thinks that those who are not homeless care, he's naive. Many of the responses to this thread are shockingly Daily Mail readership type responses and unfortunately for Jezza the UK appears to be half full of uncaring people, who unfortunately have the right to vote.
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« Reply #40 on: 29 January 2018, 22:25:33 »

I haven't judged anyone. Ive simply stated that Corbyn,s policy wont solve the problem.
Please don't lecture me about caring if your a supporter of the man who was a strong supporter of the IRA and just about every other terror organisation that commits atrocities on the western world.
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« Reply #41 on: 29 January 2018, 22:28:21 »

The only person being judged is the oppstarding lady bits who will gladly prey on the vulnerable to feather the party nest.

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« Reply #42 on: 30 January 2018, 01:11:09 »

Liebour mass migration has been a major cause of this problem where house building hasn't kept up. Unskilled people that don't speak English, have found integration into UK society difficult. House prices reflect the shortage of houses and are well beyond the price of young people, the unskilled on the minimum wage or less where they don't have the paperwork to work in the normal economy. Freedom of movement is another major problem where some people that cannot support themselves or are professional thieves come here looking for easy pickings. Since the single market the proportion of immigrants in our prisons has grown considerably. Street crime and the use of weapons has also gone up especially in London. :( :( :(

Leaving the EU and the end of the free movement of people will help along with matching skills to available jobs for those that want to work here. :y :y :y

Compo Corbyn is very quiet on what a future Labour government would do on migration which you can take to mean their policy make BLiar's and Mandlescum's mass migration policies look very mean and restrictive where Liebour need to recruit more Liebour voters. With his support of Middle Eastern terrorist groups it is not difficult to see where their main recruitment ground will be and what it will do for our safely. :( :( :(

Personally, I would like to see more hostels as the first step of integrating people back into society, so they have a address along with helping them get a job as a regular income will help to integrate them back into mainstream society. :y :y :y
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« Reply #43 on: 30 January 2018, 11:16:44 »

Don't kick the homeless, whilst they are down.


I think you've missed the point a bit, as we're kicking Corbyn not the homeless.  It's the message that he's sending, that you don't have to bother because the government will look after you.  That's what's wrong!  ::)

It's very easy to slip through the cracks of society and end up on the streets that's true enough, but the government splashing out a billion or so of taxpayers money buying houses won't solve the problem and is more likely to exacerbate it.  ;) 

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« Reply #44 on: 30 January 2018, 11:20:13 »

Whores are people too, Sir T.
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Whores are people too, Sir T.
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« Reply #46 on: 30 January 2018, 11:52:31 »



While we're on the subject . . . .


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« Reply #47 on: 30 January 2018, 11:55:28 »



While we're on the subject . . . .


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Yes, this has been developing recently and shows the true nature of Momentum and Corbyn.  The latter is actually blocking the building of desperately needed houses in this Borough and inhibiting the democratic process. Says it all for me! >:( >:( >:(

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« Reply #48 on: 30 January 2018, 12:00:22 »

More of Corbyns "gentler, kinder politics".  ::)
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While we're on the subject . . . .


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This is actually good news, Rog, let’s have more like this. No one, apart from the deluded fools of momentum, could ever see this as anything more than communism, and the British voting public are really not as daft as you think.
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« Reply #50 on: 30 January 2018, 18:04:50 »

I think you've missed the point a bit, as we're kicking Corbyn not the homeless.  It's the message that he's sending, that you don't have to bother because the government will look after you.  That's what's wrong!  ::)
I have an (ex, fortunately) relative who genuinely believes that the state should pay for her, and she should not have to work.

To assist her with her dream, she ensured she got up the duff and had a mixed-race child, as apparently that helps. That was 15+ years ago, and still she hasn't worked, and receives enough benefits to pay for her 3 bed, state provided home.  When the government a few years ago started making noises about getting people back to work, I've never seen her so angry, completely oblivious to the fact that it was unfair that people had to work so she didn't have to get off her lazy ass.

She always votes Labour, moreso since the death of New Labour.


As you say, that's wrong. But its the message being sent out by Corbyn



As for sympathy for the homeless, I've been in a position where I nearly did have to sleep rough, but with only an hour or so to spare, managed to sort out cheap digs for a few weeks until I was able to sort (afford) something more viable. Yes, it was significantly out of town, so I had to get up stupidly early to get to work, and get home stupidly late, and cook baked beans by dangling the can in a kettle, and eat out of the can, but I was prepared to do that.

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« Reply #51 on: 30 January 2018, 20:22:02 »

Well done, TB; you are an example to us all. I am sincere and not taking the Michael Bliss!

Also, it does seem to be a common career path for many of our young girls nowadays - get knocked up and immediately apply for free housing and benefits.

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« Reply #52 on: 30 January 2018, 21:19:39 »

Well done, TB; you are an example to us all. I am sincere and not taking the Michael Bliss!

Also, it does seem to be a common career path for many of our young girls nowadays - get knocked up and immediately apply for free housing and benefits.

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Pregnancy rates for young women have now halved and are the lowest since the 1960's.  In addition the amount of housing benefit they can claim has been reduced and really limits them to small council or housing association accommodation. Indeed, in the private rental sector a young women with a baby will only get housing benefit to cover shared or one room accommodation.

So, at last, the young are no longer seeing a pregnancy as an easy way to live without working. That culture is dying, and anyway a young girl on her own with a baby is no easy life. ;)
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« Reply #53 on: 30 January 2018, 22:56:58 »

Well done, TB; you are an example to us all. I am sincere and not taking the Michael Bliss!

Also, it does seem to be a common career path for many of our young girls nowadays - get knocked up and immediately apply for free housing and benefits.

Ron.

Agree !

This may seem harsh. I had a sister, she got pregnant, spent many years on benefits, and eventually smoked herself to death last year, early 60s. Lung cancer. Died quite badly. I believe that most people should contribute something to society. Maybe not financially, but serving some purpose, doing some job no matter how humble. Even the most humble of jobs contributes something in some way. My sister contributed f***k all, she simply consumed and took anything on offer. At the funeral the funeral director tried to come up with something of worth to say, she had one job for about 18 months, that was it. He really struggled.

If I personally know of one person, how many others are there ?

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And as for disabilities, disadvantages, circumstances etc she thought of everything you could think of, and quite a few that you couldn't. I recall her calling me, her daughter (who is actually ok, not on the same benefits treadmill) had been in a minor car accident, what were the chances of claiming for whiplash injury ?

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« Reply #54 on: 30 January 2018, 23:07:53 »

They are legion, Mister Rog, which is why I find it hard to believe Lizzie's data.
On those occasions when I venture amongst the great unwashed - on buses, for example - I see many "pramfaces" with one or two kids and maybe another up the spout, no ring and no sign of a bloke in attendance. As you might expect with no father to exercise discipline, they are the most unruly, disruptive and ill-mannered sprogs you could have the misfortune to be near.  >:(

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« Reply #55 on: 30 January 2018, 23:32:20 »

We know one.

Had a boy with one bloke, girl with another. Social services at one point were very concerned he was abusing her.

Time passed and boy got a girl in care pregnant. Couldnt have her move in as she would lose all her benefits.

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« Reply #56 on: 31 January 2018, 00:00:36 »

A very common benefits scam is for a girl to go and look at a house to rent posing as a single Mum.  The Landlord/Agency rents her the the house and then of course the (often working) boyfriend moves in as well, but because everything is in her name, she claims housing benefit etc etc

Sometimes they turn up together bold as brass and are shamelessly open about their plan!  :o  ::)
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« Reply #57 on: 31 January 2018, 00:59:03 »

At the factory I`m working for at the moment, there`s young couple with a little one  :)
They both work their socks off to make a living. They rely on the grand parents to child mind. They rent an ex council flat which overlooks a motorway & pay more in rent per month then most pay for their mortgage
They don`t receive housing benefit & the lad is now after a Sunday job.  One the supervisors has a a static caravan on the IOW & has offered to them for the Easter week holiday :) If Corbyn is offering housing, these are the ppl he needs to be focusing on, These guys are the future of this country.
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« Reply #58 on: 31 January 2018, 04:26:31 »

At the factory I`m working for at the moment, there`s young couple with a little one  :)
They both work their socks off to make a living. They rely on the grand parents to child mind. They rent an ex council flat which overlooks a motorway & pay more in rent per month then most pay for their mortgage
They don`t receive housing benefit & the lad is now after a Sunday job.  One the supervisors has a a static caravan on the IOW & has offered to them for the Easter week holiday :) If Corbyn is offering housing, these are the ppl he needs to be focusing on, These guys are the future of this country.

It's a huge injustice that those in genuine need miss out out due to those that "work the system". It's the same with homeless people begging on the street, I'm sure that there are many that are genuine, however passers by give nothing as there are so many for whom begging is a full time job. I wish I had the answer, I just know that making unrealistic headline grabbing claims is not it.

pay more in rent per month then most pay for their mortgage

Absolutely. My offspring have fairly recently got on the property ladder and their monthly outgoings have dropped. The problem is overall property prices and the deposits required. However, once on the ladder, owners smuggly enjoy watching prices increase (myself included), although such increases are not as high now, if at all, as they have been in recent years.


 

 
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At the factory I`m working for at the moment, there`s young couple with a little one  :)
They both work their socks off to make a living. They rely on the grand parents to child mind. They rent an ex council flat which overlooks a motorway & pay more in rent per month then most pay for their mortgage
They don`t receive housing benefit & the lad is now after a Sunday job.  One the supervisors has a a static caravan on the IOW & has offered to them for the Easter week holiday :) If Corbyn is offering housing, these are the ppl he needs to be focusing on, These guys are the future of this country.

It's a huge injustice that those in genuine need miss out out due to those that "work the system". It's the same with homeless people begging on the street, I'm sure that there are many that are genuine, however passers by give nothing as there are so many for whom begging is a full time job. I wish I had the answer, I just know that making unrealistic headline grabbing claims is not it.

pay more in rent per month then most pay for their mortgage

Absolutely. My offspring have fairly recently got on the property ladder and their monthly outgoings have dropped. The problem is overall property prices and the deposits required. However, once on the ladder, owners smuggly enjoy watching prices increase (myself included), although such increases are not as high now, if at all, as they have been in recent years.
 

This is true. I sometimes have occasion to be on Victoria station (Central London, for those up north) with a lot of time to kill, and have observed beggars (with the obligatory mangy dog) periodically empty the collecting bucket so that it doesn't seem like they are doing too well - hence the apparently poor earnings.
I expect they have the chauffeur and Rolls-Royce waiting to collect them at the end of the day!

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« Reply #60 on: 31 January 2018, 11:02:21 »

I used to live and work in London.  One day I was approached on Charing Cross Station by a smart young fella in his mid twenties wearing a suit etc and he appeared to be in a bit of a panic and explained that he'd lost his wallet which had his season ticket in it and he had to get home quickly as he'd had a phone call that his kid had been taken into hospital.  I gave him a fiver and wished him luck.  ::)

A couple of weeks later I was approached on Waterloo Station by a smart young fella in his mid twenties wearing a suit etc.... You guessed it! It was the same guy!  ::)  This time I gave him a bit of a mouthful and he just laughed and quickly disappeared into the crowds!  ::)
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I used to live and work in London.  One day I was approached on Charing Cross Station by a smart young fella in his mid twenties wearing a suit etc and he appeared to be in a bit of a panic and explained that he'd lost his wallet which had his season ticket in it and he had to get home quickly as he'd had a phone call that his kid had been taken into hospital.  I gave him a fiver and wished him luck.  ::)

A couple of weeks later I was approached on Waterloo Station by a smart young fella in his mid twenties wearing a suit etc.... You guessed it! It was the same guy!  ::)  This time I gave him a bit of a mouthful and he just laughed and quickly disappeared into the crowds!  ::)

Yep. I've fallen for that one. Not for £5 though

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« Reply #62 on: 31 January 2018, 11:33:37 »

In normal times I would completely agree, but......Brexit, Trump, Corbyn actually being elected as leader and turning Labour into Europes biggest political party, all say we are sailing in uncharted waters where anything can happen.  :-\
OK.....let me put it another way. If he gets elected, then we deserve everything we get.

It could be prevented if instead of all this moronic talk of allowing 16 year olds the vote !! we had a law whereby no-one could vote until they had contributed at least 5 years of income tax into the system.
If theres no taxation without representation, then there should also be no representation without taxation. :)

Unfortunately that is much too like common sense to be considered by our 'illustrious' leaders. >:(
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« Reply #63 on: 31 January 2018, 11:59:46 »

I used to live and work in London.  One day I was approached on Charing Cross Station by a smart young fella in his mid twenties wearing a suit etc and he appeared to be in a bit of a panic and explained that he'd lost his wallet which had his season ticket in it and he had to get home quickly as he'd had a phone call that his kid had been taken into hospital.  I gave him a fiver and wished him luck.  ::)

A couple of weeks later I was approached on Waterloo Station by a smart young fella in his mid twenties wearing a suit etc.... You guessed it! It was the same guy!  ::)  This time I gave him a bit of a mouthful and he just laughed and quickly disappeared into the crowds!  ::)

Yep. I've fallen for that one. Not for £5 though

I was a young 'City Boy' at the time and probably had too many fivers floating around!  ::)
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« Reply #64 on: 31 January 2018, 12:32:03 »

They are legion, Mister Rog, which is why I find it hard to believe Lizzie's data.
On those occasions when I venture amongst the great unwashed - on buses, for example - I see many "pramfaces" with one or two kids and maybe another up the spout, no ring and no sign of a bloke in attendance. As you might expect with no father to exercise discipline, they are the most unruly, disruptive and ill-mannered sprogs you could have the misfortune to be near.  >:(

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This is the Data Ron that includes the "under 18" statistics, under "1. Main Points", first bullet point.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/conceptionandfertilityrates/bulletins/conceptionstatistics/2015

.....and just one reason why it has happened according to this report in the Daily Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/12189376/How-teenage-pregnancy-collapsed-after-birth-of-social-media.html

Certainly it is known that amoungst young women now there is a feeling that being pregnant at their ages is no longer cool.

But, as DG would say, never let the truth ruin a good story! ;)
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« Reply #65 on: 31 January 2018, 12:51:43 »

A very common benefits scam is for a girl to go and look at a house to rent posing as a single Mum.  The Landlord/Agency rents her the the house and then of course the (often working) boyfriend moves in as well, but because everything is in her name, she claims housing benefit etc etc

Sometimes they turn up together bold as brass and are shamelessly open about their plan!  :o  ::)

My wife worked for a housing association for some years, and this was quite a common scam. Unfortunately, human rights, data protection, lack of resources, etc. etc. meant that they got away with it most of the time, even though the Association Managers knew it went on. >:( >:( >:(
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