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[redelitev6]

  I see the BBC are already gearing up for a "victim" overload , be prepared for months , possibly years ? of hand wringing and finger pointing ( at the government no doubt) what ever happened to suffering in silence ? sad thing is that the fire is probably going to be the best thing to happen to some of the survivors , P.T.S.D- can't work -benefits . Criminal behaviour? not my fault -trauma . The only people to benefit out of this sham will be , as ever, the legal profession . By the time it's all over they could have bought all the survivors a house with the money spent on these shitehawks (sorry "Legal representatives" ) 

[biggriffin]

+1.

I think there's enough money in the fund that was set up in the survivors names to buy them all a house, and change left, but the trustee's and other hangers on, will soon lose all them millions.

[Olympia5776]

Difficult one this methinks.
Whilst I have utmost and genuine sympathy for the families that lived in the tower and lost loved ones I can't but feel that there is a disproportionate amount of airtime being given to the whole thing.
I listened to a reviewer of the papers on Sky this morning who lamented the fact that the victims of the Manchester bombing ,which was year ago today, were virtually being denied any recognition due to the louder voices of the Grenfell tower debacle.
She quite rightly said that if she was a mother of a bombing victim she would be very angry that she was not being given the route to answers given to them.
It's all very sad but we are living in a compenstion culture now and I feel that that  is certainly part fuelling the drive for " answers ".
That aside there are many questions, that although glaringly obvious ,will conveniently go unanswered with no responsibility or cumulative blame attributed .
It's the British way unfortunatly.

[STEMO]

It's not just compensation, it's the vigils, the outpouring of grief displayed by people who have nothing at all to do with it. People used to listen to the news, comment of how sad it was and moved on. Now they want to own it.
And blame.....someone has to be at fault. There are no accidents any more.

[Olympia5776]

I'd agree that the disaster has been hijacked by some very voiciferous members of a narrow ethnic diversity many with a very tenuous connection to the actual circle of victims and event.
Some would suggest that the type of grief that has and still is being displayed is more aligned with that same ethnic diversity , I think it is certainly been used to a great advantage by those I previously mentioned.
I do believe that somewhere along the shady path from manufacture to certification and ultimately acceptance and installation that that material was known to be not just unsuitable but dangerous and unfit for purpose. As I said a few questions answered would tell the truth on the ģreed , deception, dereliction of duty and possible corporate manslaughter wrapped up in it all.
I don't believe we'll get them though, too many rich and powerful people walked that shady path.

[Doctor Gollum]

Presumably everyone involved was insured...

[2boxerdogs]

It's not just compensation, it's the vigils, the outpouring of grief displayed by people who have nothing at all to do with it. People used to listen to the news, comment of how sad it was and moved on. Now they want to own it.
And blame.....someone has to be at fault. There are no accidents any more.

.   



Very well put Stemo , my view entirely.

[biggriffin]

They said 77 people died, how comes when there's any form of meeting, it seems to involve a few hundred, that all seem to be, not from the social or ethnic classes, that lived there, ,

If we had some form of cleansing or cull, we need a leader with vision,and a no nonsense attitude.

[Kevin Wood]

I too find the endless shrines and vigils that appear to accompany any disaster these days pretty distasteful. If I had lost a relative in that fire, I think I'd be desperate to move on with my life by now but that's apparently not allowed.

That notwithstanding, those who compromised the fire safety of that building do need to be held to account.

I'm no architect but it seems obvious to me that a building of that nature has safety designed in by virtue of having no combustible material bridging any of the floors, dwelling units or on the escape route out of the building.

If it had been left as it was originally built, I'm fairly sure that fire would have been contained with no or very few fatalities.

The problem is that, instead of accepting that it's an old building that falls short of modern standards in terms of energy efficiency and, in some eyes, appearance, we have pandered to the tree huggers and tried to "upgrade" these buildings without understanding the original design. For that, once all the wailing has subsided, I do hope that we see some some heads roll.

[Nick W]

It's not just compensation, it's the vigils, the outpouring of grief displayed by people who have nothing at all to do with it. People used to listen to the news, comment of how sad it was and moved on. Now they want to own it.
And blame.....someone has to be at fault. There are no accidents any more.

I'm with you on the first part.


And mostly with the blame. But in the case of Grenfell, lessons do need to be made public.


First is that high-rise buildings are a death trap once they catch fire. There is nothing that will improve this. This isn't news to anyone with a practical bent, but it has been kept quiet. 


Second, at Grenfell somebody made that much worse by the ill-considered use of external cladding, and compounded the error by using combustible materials. That is the real purpose of such inquiries; such ignorance and incompetence is inexcusable and making the causes public ought to reduce the likelihood of repeating them.

[STEMO]

It's not just compensation, it's the vigils, the outpouring of grief displayed by people who have nothing at all to do with it. People used to listen to the news, comment of how sad it was and moved on. Now they want to own it.
And blame.....someone has to be at fault. There are no accidents any more.

I'm with you on the first part.


And mostly with the blame. But in the case of Grenfell, lessons do need to be made public.


First is that high-rise buildings are a death trap once they catch fire. There is nothing that will improve this. This isn't news to anyone with a practical bent, but it has been kept quiet. 


Second, at Grenfell somebody made that much worse by the ill-considered use of external cladding, and compounded the error by using combustible materials. That is the real purpose of such inquiries; such ignorance and incompetence is inexcusable and making the causes public ought to reduce the likelihood of repeating them.

I agree, and I would be happy to hear the outcome of any enquiry. But the news outlets apportion all the blame themselves, in a drip, drip, drip feed of news over a number of years. They commission 'experts' to set fire to stuff, in totally inappropriate situations, then scream how shite the materials are and how uncaring the manufacturers are.
News channels in general, and the BBC in particular, are becoming extensions of social media platforms. They even show screenshots of twitter and arsebook, reinforcing the ramblings of every tosser who thinks they are an expert on the subject. And, of course, how they're feeling about events at the time.
PAH!

[Nick W]

I still agree with you. Such inquiries must be public and open. But including two weeks of testimony from the victim's(and that's the proper use of the word) families does nothing useful that a board with their names and photos couldn't achieve. These things should be run and staffed only by people with relevant expertise to determine why the obvious causes of the disaster were allowed to stack up, and to suggest ways of preventing them happening again. Unfortunately, what we usually end up with is even more unenforceable bureaucracy, rather than the power to identify those responsible and bring the necessary consequences. This is not a new idea; my father tells me that on being elected the to the local council fifty years ago, he was sent on two days of courses so that he understood what was involved. One of those was about corporate responsibility, that the entire council is responsible for decisions which includes those members who voted against.

[STEMO]

Good, we agree then. 
Over the last four days, the BBC news channel has consisted of all day coverage of a wedding, all coverage of Grenfell and, today, all day coverage of the Manchester bombing anniversary. It's not new, it's not news, it just panders to the nations fascination with tragedy. (Not the wedding, of course).

[tigers_gonads]

Presumably everyone involved was insured...

Exactly my thoughts ................


If my house went up in flames and people was killed, would there be such a outpouring of grief ?

Would they f**k 

A block of flats in londistan full of illegal immigrants who have f**k all right to be there anyway migrants goes up in flames and there is a massive outpouring of grief 
Quick, roll out that tax dodging pikey bastard Sir Bob and lets all have a concert so we can ALL feel guilty and put our hands in our pockets for them 
Maybe Elton can do another rendition of candle in the wind too 

What happened is tragic and I wouldn't wish that death on anybody. Well maybe one or two 
But FFS, can we for once keep things in prospective ??

Yes, feel for the poor bastards and have a whip around.
Find out why the insulation went up like that and regardless of cost, enforce changes to the building regs and make landlords put it right.

If laws have been broken, hammer the bastards responsible but please, stop this "I want to be a victim too" shite 

[Bigron]

A good summary, TG. 

Ron.

[aaronjb]

TG, please let us know how you really feel.

[biggriffin]

Presumably everyone involved was insured...

Exactly my thoughts ................


If my house went up in flames and people was killed, would there be such a outpouring of grief ?

Would they f**k 

A block of flats in londistan full of illegal immigrants who have f**k all right to be there anyway migrants goes up in flames and there is a massive outpouring of grief 
Quick, roll out that tax dodging pikey bastard Sir Bob and lets all have a concert so we can ALL feel guilty and put our hands in our pockets for them 
Maybe Elton can do another rendition of candle in the wind too 

What happened is tragic and I wouldn't wish that death on anybody. Well maybe one or two 
But FFS, can we for once keep things in prospective ??

Yes, feel for the poor bastards and have a whip around.
Find out why the insulation went up like that and regardless of cost, enforce changes to the building regs and make landlords put it right.

If laws have been broken, hammer the bastards responsible but please, stop this "I want to be a victim too" shite 

Motion carried, and voted for.

[TheBoy]

I was bored with it the day after it happened.  But as its London, I supposed the papers and broadcast media will keep stoking the fire.

Same as the Manchester thing last year.  Do we really need an anniversary celebration of it?  I think, though, that's mostly the BBC trying to keep that one alive, seeing as they are based there.


TBH, any sympathy I had at the time seems to be turning to disinterest, even anger.

[tigers_gonads]

TG, please let us know how you really feel.

Unless dealing with the taxman, a judge or the wife  I always believe honesty is the best policy 

[Kevin Wood]

TG, please let us know how you really feel.

Unless dealing with the taxman, a judge or the wife  I always believe honesty is the best policy 

You forgot insurance companies.

[Rods2]

Celotex no longer supply an external cladding solution for buildings over 18m tall.

https://inform.celotex.co.uk/

Rockwool is a better solution from the fire retardent point of view but any leaks means it absorbs water whereas Celotex doesn't.

This situation has all come about due to EU tree huggers, where building insulation must be improved but they did no performance and safety studies on suitable materials which should have been done as part of the directive.

[tigers_gonads]

TG, please let us know how you really feel.




Dont know what happened there 

[biggriffin]

Just seen the BBC news, and a certain QC by the name of Michael Mansfield, has popped up regarding greenfell..

[STEMO]

Just seen the BBC news, and a certain QC by the name of Michael Mansfield, has popped up regarding greenfell..

Where there's brass, there's muck.

[Raeturbo]

Funny thing I’m fed up of all this on tele too, needs more of us to stop this shite.
Everything’s turning into this social media based crap. I’m liking the comments
here especially TG and Keith Woods.

[Viral_Jim]

This situation has all come about due to EU tree huggers, where building insulation must be improved but they did no performance and safety studies on suitable materials which should have been done as part of the directive.

It’s not really a tree-hugger EU thing to mandate that people have houses that aren’t unaffordable to heat though is it?

Also, tests were done, just not with the air gaps in place that were in place in the specific application that made the fire worse. It would be pretty unworkable to test a building material in each application in which it might be placed. 

There’s current media noise that some time after testing the manufacturer changed the spec to make the material less fire retardant but didn’t reapply for testing. If true, then clearly the manufacturer is culpable and should be brought to book.

It could well be the case that no one is at fault for what happened. However I doubt the kangaroo court of public opinion will support that conclusion. So all scapegoats need to take one quick pace forward. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

TG, please let us know how you really feel.

Unless dealing with the taxman, a judge or the wife  I always believe honesty is the best policy 

They insist I owe more tax than I really do.

A few years ago I was forced to sell my car.

Bastard................the taxman is a bastard. Go pick on the wealthy.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Good, we agree then. 
Over the last four days, the BBC news channel has consisted of all day coverage of a wedding, all coverage of Grenfell and, today, all day coverage of the Manchester bombing anniversary. It's not new, it's not news, it just panders to the nations fascination with tragedy. (Not the wedding, of course).

Agreed.....it's called news or the news because it is new not old news.

I suppose you can have 'old news' but old news isn't really new news, because the news needs to be new rather than old or it isn't news at all.....

[Bigron]

Dr. Opti, is your medication really strong enough? 

Ron.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Dr. Opti, is your medication really strong enough? 

Ron.

I'm as normal as I'll ever be, Ronald.

[Bigron]

I did rather think that might be the case!
By the way, I'm RON, not Ronald - except when my mum wants to tell me off! 

Ron.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I did rather think that might be the case!
By the way, I'm RON, not Ronald - except when my mum wants to tell me off! 

Ron.

She must be getting on a bit.

[STEMO]

More relatives sharing their stories of loved ones who perished today. How, exactly, is this 'evidence'?

[Sir Tigger KC]

More relatives sharing their stories of loved ones who perished today. How, exactly, is this 'evidence'?

All part of the modern phenomenon of sharing every part of your life.  Suffering in silence just isn't on anymore. 

Stiff upper lip anyone? 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

More relatives sharing their stories of loved ones who perished today. How, exactly, is this 'evidence'?

All part of the modern phenomenon of sharing every part of your life.  Suffering in silence just isn't on anymore. 

Stiff upper lip anyone? 

Yep......I don't tell you nosey f*uckers on here any more than I choose to.

[STEMO]

More relatives sharing their stories of loved ones who perished today. How, exactly, is this 'evidence'?

All part of the modern phenomenon of sharing every part of your life.  Suffering in silence just isn't on anymore. 

Stiff upper lip anyone? 

Yep......I don't tell you nosey f*uckers on here any more than I choose to.

We may not be interested....you never know 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

More relatives sharing their stories of loved ones who perished today. How, exactly, is this 'evidence'?

All part of the modern phenomenon of sharing every part of your life.  Suffering in silence just isn't on anymore. 

Stiff upper lip anyone? 

Yep......I don't tell you nosey f*uckers on here any more than I choose to.

We may not be interested....you never know 

My 'other lives' are quite interesting. I use this forum for getting rid of my supply of 'inane drivel'

[Bigron]

You cannot have much more left.....

Ron.

[John-Ha]

I must say I am offended by many of the posts in this completely off-topic thread.  What has it to do with Omegas?

Let me give you my opinions ...

Take a step back.  You are living in a tower block where the design is such that fire resistance is "assured" by dividing the tower into separate, fire tight compartments.  There are no sprinklers because the building regulations state that compartmentalisation is safe and will prevent fires spreading.  The official advice to you as a tenant is to stay in your flat if a fire breaks out in the block because the separate compartments will prevent any fire spreading. 

The block does not meet modern energy standards and energy is being wasted so the council decides to insulate the block. This is about affordable heating and climate change - it has nothing to do with the EU. 

If I correctly understood what BBC Panorama said, the manufacturers of the cladding? insulation? submitted a different material for the fire tests compared with the one they sold; and the manufacturers then claimed that the ones they sold, which had different materials and had never been fire tested, had passed the fire test.  The cladding? insulation? they sold was inflammable and gave off lethally poisonous hydrogen cyanide gas when it burned.

Once the inflammable cladding had been added to the building it bypassed all the "separate compartments" destroying the safety and making the building a fire hazard. I think Panorama said the cladding was equivalent to four tankers of petrol.  It is little wonder the fire spread from bottom to top in about 15 minutes.

It seems pretty obvious to me that someone has done something wrong.

Are the building regulations wrong in allowing tower blocks without sprinklers?  Did the manufacturer test a fire resistant material and then sell a flammable one?  Did the installer seal all the gaps which would have acted as chimneys allowing the fire to spread incredibly quickly?  There are countless more questions.

I am further appalled by some of the comments which seem to me to be racist, saying "They were immigrants - it doesn't matter". 

They were all children or mothers or fathers or wives or husbands or uncles or aunts or grandparents of someone.  And they were all people just like you and me are people.  Would you have written your comments had it been your brother or sister or wife or parents who had been killed?

71 people died in the most horrific circumstances, through no fault of their own, which is almost as many as the 96 people who died in the Hillsborough tragedy.  That is why there is an outcry.

Please remember that these were people and their grieving relatives and friends are people.

My I point out a few of the comments I found most offensive.

be prepared for months , possibly years ? of hand wringing and finger pointing ( at the government no doubt) what ever happened to suffering in silence.  Should people do nothing?  What about Hillsborough?

And blame.....someone has to be at fault. There are no accidents any more.  I know you didn't mean it but well done because you are absolutely correct.  Another example - the police no longer call them RTAs (road traffic accidents) - they call them RTCs (road traffic collisions).  Someone was to blame for this disaster and we should all hope they will be held to account.

A block of flats in londistan full of illegal immigrants who have f**k all right to be there anyway migrants goes up in flames and there is a massive outpouring of grief  That is appalling and I am amazed the moderators did not delete the post.  Apart from what I think is the naked racism of the comment, which I also think is probably illegal, I think you have defamed people.  As you will not be able to prove your statement to be "100% true and accurate" in a court of law, you will lose and pay costs and damages if anyone brings a case of defamation against you.  I shall be sending your comment to my MP asking him to take whatever action is appropriate.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, ends my opinion.

[STEMO]

I am so glad that I got some right, even though it was probably by accident 

Eff off, you condescending bastard. 

[John-Ha]

Eff off, you condescending bastard. 

I was always taught that use of profanity was a sign of ignorance as you presumably know no better way of expressing yourself.

[STEMO]

Eff off, you condescending bastard. 

I was always taught that use of profanity was a sign of ignorance as you presumably know no better way of expressing yourself.

Do one, you knob.
Oh....I'm sooooo ignorant. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

You ask what this thread has to do with Vauxhall Omega?

The answer is nothing because this topic  has been placed in general discussion.

People will have different views some of which I agree with some of which I disagree with. That's life.

As for STMO, he is a scouser, so you can't expect him to be educated and refined.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

You cannot have much more left.....

Ron.

Endless supply.

[STEMO]

You ask what this thread has to do with Vauxhall Omega?

The answer is nothing because this topic  has been placed in general discussion.

People will have different views some of which I agree with some of which I disagree with. That's life.

As for STMO, he is a scouser, so you can't expect him to be educated and refined.

That's right, not wot like you are. 

[Bigron]

You ask what this thread has to do with Vauxhall Omega?

The answer is nothing because this topic  has been placed in general discussion.

People will have different views some of which I agree with some of which I disagree with. That's life.

As for STMO, he is a scouser, so you can't expect him to be educated and refined.

Dr. Opti, you beat me to it. John;Ha's concluding comments stated that he was expressing his opinion, yet denied the right of others to express their, on the basis of racism, therefore not permitted to be heard.
History details other examples of such repression of thought and speech.....

Ron.

P.S. Often erroneously attributed to Voltaire, there is this quotation:-
"I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it"

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

You ask what this thread has to do with Vauxhall Omega?

The answer is nothing because this topic  has been placed in general discussion.

People will have different views some of which I agree with some of which I disagree with. That's life.

As for STMO, he is a scouser, so you can't expect him to be educated and refined.

That's right, not wot like you are. 

Well, as you know, I have noble blood in my veins.

However, I am far from pompous or remote, and may be able to find employment for you, albeit employment in a menial capacity.

Just don't expect minimum wage unless you are a 25 year old blonde with big tits.

[TheBoy]

I must say I am offended by many of the posts in this completely off-topic thread.  What has it to do with Omegas?

Let me give you my opinions ...

Take a step back.  You are living in a tower block where ……..
<snipped for brevity>

I suspect nobody here is genuinely quite so heartless as to not feel sorry for them at the time.  However, its done, its over, things need to move on (including the media, and the idiots keep dragging these stories out).

We don't need a bloody vigil every 5 bloody minutes, and the inquiry does not need to hear all the sob stories.

Exactly the same applies to other shit, not just Grenfell. Be that the Manchester Arena shite, Hillsborough, whatever.

We have all lost close family and friends in tragic circumstances. Shit happens. Get over it. Move on.  Because a few days after the event, the only people who give 2 toots about it is the media on slow news days, and trailer trash.

[Bigron]

Neatly summarised, TB. I think it's covered by the phrase "compassion fatigue".

Ron.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I'm still trying to work out how pointing out that some of the residents were illegal immigrants is racist and illegal ? 
I suspect that the IP address for John-Ha will be the same one as a certain other member. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I'm still trying to work out how pointing out that some of the residents were illegal immigrants is racist and illegal ? 
I suspect that the IP address for John-Ha will be the same one as a certain other member. 

Do tell.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Obviously its me. The right wing knee jerk reactionary thing is just a persona. 

[Doctor Gollum]

I thought the topic was bang on...

After all, the title is shown clearly as, "Grenfell inquiry", and oddly enough the thread is located in an equally unequivocal section titled "General Discussion".

Or is it just me... 

[STEMO]

I thought the topic was bang on...

After all, the title is shown clearly as, "Grenfell inquiry", and oddly enough the thread is located in an equally unequivocal section titled "General Discussion".

Or is it just me... 

It's always you. 

[biggriffin]

I'm still trying to work out how pointing out that some of the residents were illegal immigrants is racist and illegal ? 
I suspect that the IP address for John-Ha will be the same one as a certain other member. 

Me thinks this new member john-ha, is a tad snowflake, and may melt away soon,,  or could he be added to the cull list, also everybody is allowed an opinion, but if I don't like it, they should be shot.  Klop.

[STEMO]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=john%20ha

 

[Doctor Gollum]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=john%20ha

 

Ah, a fellow Onanist

[Nick W]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=john%20ha

 

Ah, a fellow Onanist

surely that's a solitary pastime?

[Doctor Gollum]

The end result might be considered self serving, but I am sure Tamar played a part in the process 

[Doctor Gollum]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=john%20ha

 

Interestingly...

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=migmog

[redelitev6]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=john%20ha

 

Interestingly...

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=migmog

Never heard of that one ,NigNog on the other hand was a favourite one in "Love thy neighbour" many moons ago   

[biggriffin]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=john%20ha

 

Interestingly...

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=migmog

Never heard of that one ,NigNog on the other hand was a favourite one in "Love thy neighbour" many moons ago

Isn't he a member of this parish.

[Rods2]

You said with Grenfell that there was no EU directive on building insulation performance. Yes, there is as explained by somebody that has forgotten more about EU directives and regulations Dr Richard North than either of us will probably ever know as his article explains.

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86528

He explains in this article the relevant building insulation performance Directive 2010/31/EU which you can read in full in the link below. The problem as Dr North explains is the lack of fire testing of materials as part of the directive.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32010L0031&from=EN

[STEMO]

Who said?

[Doctor Gollum]

Who said?

The bloke being blown by his sister...

Presumably 

[STEMO]

Who said?

The bloke being blown by his sister...

Presumably 

Oh 
Can I watch? Please. 

[biggriffin]

Just seen the BBC news, and a certain QC by the name of Michael Mansfield, has popped up regarding greenfell..

Where there's brass, there's muck.

 

 Listening to the news today, and the above QC was rattling on, He is one of the most expensive QC in the country, and I bet he isn't doing this out of goodness, they can smell money and lots of it...


 As another issue, the company that supplied the foam (cellotex) said it's flammable,,, no shit Sherlock,,,  we were banned from using a similar product, that we mixed, and poured into touring car chassis 30 years ago, because it was flammable...

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

At the end of the day, a lot of human beings burnt to death because of the incompetence and negligence of others. Those responsible shouldn't get away with it.

[Varche]

I was thinking that there are still plenty of these tower blocks clad in err dubious material.

Perhaps an MP could be billeted in each one to help focus minds.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I was thinking that there are still plenty of these tower blocks clad in err dubious material.

Perhaps an MP could be billeted in each one to help focus minds.

Hundreds across the country apparently, and not all council blocks either.  They were talking about this on Whine the other day and a chap who owns a flat in a private block of flats called in to say that he was facing a £60,000 bill as his contribution to getting all the cladding replaced . 

[scimmy_man]

A lot of the problems stem from a "perfect storm" of small things,
I have read the reports and followed this (I’m in Building Control)
the separate compartments were compromised by damaged doors on corridors, snd holes in the floor/ceiling left unsealed when they installed gas a while back, so the stay put advice wouldn’t work like it should,
the building was clad in a material that was only approved to be used up to a few story’s,(but £500k cheaper) the windows were fitted in the outer cladding, which fell off, the gap behind the cladding should have had fire barriers every floor to stop spread of flames.
The lack of sprinklers was apparently because they didn’t expect the system to last long due to vandalism.

One fault after another, plus the fact no one knew exactly who was actually living there due to sub letting etc.

[STEMO]

A lot of the problems stem from a "perfect storm" of small things,
I have read the reports and followed this (I’m in Building Control)
the separate compartments were compromised by damaged doors on corridors, snd holes in the floor/ceiling left unsealed when they installed gas a while back, so the stay put advice wouldn’t work like it should,
the building was clad in a material that was only approved to be used up to a few story’s,(but £500k cheaper) the windows were fitted in the outer cladding, which fell off, the gap behind the cladding should have had fire barriers every floor to stop spread of flames.
The lack of sprinklers was apparently because they didn’t expect the system to last long due to vandalism.

One fault after another, plus the fact no one knew exactly who was actually living there due to sub letting etc.

I've seen these kind of things in schools! Nice new builds that conform to all current regulations. Then the maintenance people come along and leave ceiling tiles out, wedge doors open, remove lagging and don't put it back, etc. No one thing is much to shout about but, in my opinion, it shows a lack of awareness.....and downright laziness.

[New POD]

I'd like to see the Fault Tree. I Spend 2013 and 2014 helping Rolls-Royce do risk assessments on Jet Engine Design, and the Safety specialists love an AND gate and HATE an OR gate.

Sounds like there were a lot of OR gates in the design.