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[TheBoy]

I see there are no end of protests in Jockular land about Trump paying a private visit to one of his businesses for a quick break.

I also see that the Sir David Attenborough is hopefully being launched today, a boat made famous by the Boaty McBoatface voting saga.


I think we have to accept that the British public are incredibly thick and stupid, and getting orders of magnitude worse with each generation.

[Bigron]

Except for me and thee, TB. 

Ron.

[Sir Tigger KC]

The Trump protestors are fooking tossers! 

Where were they when Erdogan of Turkey who has 50,000 political prisoners came? 

Where were they when the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia whose country has caused a humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen and has only just allowed women the freedom to drive? 

Where were they when the Commonwealth Heads of Government conference was in London, where some of these leaders criminalise homosexuality?  Yoweri Museveni of Uganda for example. 

Why don't they take to the streets to protest about serious human rights issues, like 'honour killings' in Pakistan or FGM in East Africa for example? 

I'd wager that the vast majority havn't a clue about why they are really there.  It's just trendy to jump on the Trump outrage bus and do a bit of virtual signalling!    Right on man! 

Tossers! 

[Lizzie Zoom]

The Trump protestors are fooking tossers! 

Where were they when Erdogan of Turkey who has 50,000 political prisoners came? 

Where were they when the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia whose country has caused a humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen and has only just allowed women the freedom to drive? 

Where were they when the Commonwealth Heads of Government conference was in London, where some of these leaders criminalise homosexuality?  Yoweri Museveni of Uganda for example. 

Why don't they take to the streets to protest about serious human rights issues, like 'honour killings' in Pakistan or FGM in East Africa for example? 

I'd wager that the vast majority havn't a clue about why they are really there.  It's just trendy to jump on the Trump outrage bus and do a bit of virtual signalling!    Right on man! 

Tossers! 

Agreed!

What do they think they are going to achieve anyway?!  Trump resigning?  Trump not being the Trump that the American people voted for under their electoral system?  An apologetic Trump? Trump not putting America first?

Fat chance of any of that!  In any case, although not originally a supporter of his, I now love his style; strong, unapologetic, and someone who Knows what he wants and goes out to get it!

[Rods2]

If you don't accept the right for people to differ with you and the right to protest on an agenda you disagree with then you end up with the alternatives like Russia, China, DPRK, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc, etc where you have no rights and own nothing, it is all leased to you, including your life by the dictator and their state apparatus and any lease can be terminated without any notice or appeal at anytime. There is very little middle ground and very few countries between these two extremes, with Singapore the only one that springs to mind.

Countries like Russia flirted with the former and are now at the latter. Turkey is rapidly losing its freedom and democracy, Pakistan and India may joint them, along with the USA. Also never forget that the EEC & EU were always planned at the end of WWII as a dictatorship, by the French where they didn't and still don't trust democracy which is why the end journey of ever closer union is the EUSSR. If you think the EU being a dictatorship doesn't matter then I would suggest to study how the EU has treated Greece, where EU laws doesn't apply to the little, broke countries, if the upholding of the laws (and international law) hurts the big bullying EU countries of Germany and France economically.

This is especially true in DPRK, Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. This is where we were pre-1215AD and the Magna Carta with absolute rule by the monarch and his state upper class apparatus, but society and freedoms have evolved since then until we are where we are now. Personally, I think the left's absolute rights for minor minorities agenda while neglecting the majority has gone too far and is why in many ways we are where we are now, but that is another story.

The post-WWII international order is collapsing and where the West can't be bothered to defend ourselves (we also can't be bothered to breed enough to replace ourselves anymore either), so by default we will be taken over (probably without even a shot being fired) by one of the new empires, centred around China, Russia and Iran. All very nasty dictatorships, that want their big empires more than we want independence, freedom and democracy. Remainers show that 48% of the UK don't want democracy and are perfectly happy to live an ordered rule based life run as a dictatorship, until they get there of course, but by then it will be too late.

[Sir Tigger KC]

If you don't accept the right for people to differ with you and the right to protest on an agenda you disagree with then you end up with the alternatives like Russia, China, DPRK, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc, etc where you have no rights and own nothing.....

I didn't say that at all.  I think they are a bunch of middle class tossers out for a bit of trendy virtue signalling and they will all retire to a nice wine bar somewhere and carry on with their faux Trump outrage and feel good about themselves over a nice bottle of Prosecco. 

Where did I say that they shouldn't be allowed to protest?    I didn't at all!   

In fact as a believer in free speech, I'd have been outraged if the Trump protests had been banned.  It's just that I think that this is nonsense and there are better things to get outraged and protest about. 

The irony is that many of those middle class leftie libtards out there don't really believe in free speech and will do their best to shout down or drown out an opposing view.  We see it every week on QT where a usually leftist/remainer panalist will do their best to talk over and interrupt someone else with a view that they don't agree with.       Nicola Sturgeon springs to mind... 

[STEMO]

If you don't accept the right for people to differ with you and the right to protest on an agenda you disagree with then you end up with the alternatives like Russia, China, DPRK, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc, etc where you have no rights and own nothing.....

I didn't say that at all.  I think they are a bunch of middle class tossers out for a bit of trendy virtue signalling and they will all retire to a nice wine bar somewhere and carry on with their faux Trump outrage and feel good about themselves over a nice bottle of Prosecco. 

Where did I say that they shouldn't be allowed to protest?    I didn't at all!   

In fact as a believer in free speech, I'd have been outraged if the Trump protests had been banned.  It's just that I think that this is nonsense and there are better things to get outraged and protest about. 

The irony is that many of those middle class leftie libtards out there don't really believe in free speech and will do their best to shout down or drown out an opposing view.  We see it every week on QT where a usually leftist/remainer panalist will do their best to talk over and interrupt someone else with a view that they don't agree with.       Nicola Sturgeon springs to mind... 

It's a shouty world, Tigger. The silent majority have always been shat on. They usually keep their powder dry until there is an election, then the shouty people get a kick in the plums.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The Trump protestors are fooking tossers! 

Where were they when Erdogan of Turkey who has 50,000 political prisoners came? 

Where were they when the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia whose country has caused a humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen and has only just allowed women the freedom to drive? 

Where were they when the Commonwealth Heads of Government conference was in London, where some of these leaders criminalise homosexuality?  Yoweri Museveni of Uganda for example. 

Why don't they take to the streets to protest about serious human rights issues, like 'honour killings' in Pakistan or FGM in East Africa for example? 

I'd wager that the vast majority havn't a clue about why they are really there.  It's just trendy to jump on the Trump outrage bus and do a bit of virtual signalling!    Right on man! 

Tossers! 

Agreed!

What do they think they are going to achieve anyway?!  Trump resigning?  Trump not being the Trump that the American people voted for under their electoral system?  An apologetic Trump? Trump not putting America first?

Fat chance of any of that!  In any case, although not originally a supporter of his, I now love his style; strong, unapologetic, and someone who Knows what he wants and goes out to get it!

Do you find old ginger pubes attractive, Lizzie? In a physical sense?

[Lizzie Zoom]

If you don't accept the right for people to differ with you and the right to protest on an agenda you disagree with then you end up with the alternatives like Russia, China, DPRK, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc, etc where you have no rights and own nothing.....

I didn't say that at all.  I think they are a bunch of middle class tossers out for a bit of trendy virtue signalling and they will all retire to a nice wine bar somewhere and carry on with their faux Trump outrage and feel good about themselves over a nice bottle of Prosecco. 

Where did I say that they shouldn't be allowed to protest?    I didn't at all!   

In fact as a believer in free speech, I'd have been outraged if the Trump protests had been banned.  It's just that I think that this is nonsense and there are better things to get outraged and protest about. 

The irony is that many of those middle class leftie libtards out there don't really believe in free speech and will do their best to shout down or drown out an opposing view.  We see it every week on QT where a usually leftist/remainer panalist will do their best to talk over and interrupt someone else with a view that they don't agree with.       Nicola Sturgeon springs to mind... 

Once again Sir Tigger, fully agree!!

Rod's piece highlights the problem; you state that people are wasting their time and have their own agendas, only then for others to question your right to say that!!

"Democracy" is a strange beast, and in itself is it's on worst enemy.

By the way the Magna Carta was mainly for the interests of the Barons and the aristocracy generally, not for the peasants, so they could oppose 'bad' King John.  Although signed first in 1215 by King John, it did not become an effective part of English law until 1225.   

[Lizzie Zoom]

The Trump protestors are fooking tossers! 

Where were they when Erdogan of Turkey who has 50,000 political prisoners came? 

Where were they when the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia whose country has caused a humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen and has only just allowed women the freedom to drive? 

Where were they when the Commonwealth Heads of Government conference was in London, where some of these leaders criminalise homosexuality?  Yoweri Museveni of Uganda for example. 

Why don't they take to the streets to protest about serious human rights issues, like 'honour killings' in Pakistan or FGM in East Africa for example? 

I'd wager that the vast majority havn't a clue about why they are really there.  It's just trendy to jump on the Trump outrage bus and do a bit of virtual signalling!    Right on man! 

Tossers! 

Agreed!

What do they think they are going to achieve anyway?!  Trump resigning?  Trump not being the Trump that the American people voted for under their electoral system?  An apologetic Trump? Trump not putting America first?

Fat chance of any of that!  In any case, although not originally a supporter of his, I now love his style; strong, unapologetic, and someone who Knows what he wants and goes out to get it!

Do you find old ginger pubes attractive, Lizzie? In a physical sense?

Oh no, heaven forbid!!  I think he, in a personal sense, is repulsive, and the majority of women who are not after his money or power, would agree

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The protesters are a tiny minority of the British public, organised by the usual rent a mob, Trotskyite wasters.
Essentially, they are protesting against Trump, because not only is he not even remotely left wing, but he doesn't even bother pretending to be.
The silent majority who don't bother with such shite, have jobs, lives etc. and go unnoticed among all this kind of Hoo-ha. 
Its pathetic, but of course it is their right to do it. If people want to look stupid, let them.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I'm sure his sexy young wife would have been equally attracted to Donald even if he worked as a Pizza delivery boy.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I'm sure his sexy young wife would have been equally attracted to Donald even if he worked as a Pizza delivery boy.

And if he was, she'd probably be back in her Slovenian village after her moment in the spotlight ecking out a living as a washer woman...... or something.    

[Nick W]

The Trump protestors are fooking tossers! 

Where were they when Erdogan of Turkey who has 50,000 political prisoners came? 

Where were they when the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia whose country has caused a humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen and has only just allowed women the freedom to drive? 

Where were they when the Commonwealth Heads of Government conference was in London, where some of these leaders criminalise homosexuality?  Yoweri Museveni of Uganda for example. 

Why don't they take to the streets to protest about serious human rights issues, like 'honour killings' in Pakistan or FGM in East Africa for example? 

I'd wager that the vast majority havn't a clue about why they are really there.  It's just trendy to jump on the Trump outrage bus and do a bit of virtual signalling!    Right on man! 

Tossers! 

The answer to your questions is simple:


Trump delights in creating, maintaining and publicising an obnoxious, hectoring and  bullying personality. He uses the media throughout the world to do so. This seems to be the only thing he's actually good at, as it certainly isn't an efficient way to persuade people that he doesn't have any direct power over.  Or even those that he does. Your other examples are much more discreet in their 'crimes' and are below the ineffective do-gooders radar. Therefore they haven't realised the need for a parade to protect the lavender trees in Wheretheoppsisitistan

[Sir Tigger KC]

You're surely not suggesting the Great British public are thick, are you Nick?     

[redelitev6]

Yeah , that free Nelson Mandela campaign has gone a bit quiet lately     

[Nick W]

You're surely not suggesting the Great British public are thick, are you Nick? 

Why would I imply it when there's plenty of conclusive proof?


But that's a different problem. Trump deliberately ensures that he's the centre of attention, and he does it a particularly moronic way because he's a man of very limited abilities; that's why people react to him.

[Raeturbo]

Trumps no worse than any of the others and at least he mostly does what he says he will.
He’s addressing sensitive issues in a robust way that’s all. How come these people have so much time to walk around protesting they should be in work and just take a look at the pansy groups that make the wan7ers up.

[Mister Rog]

A lot of people, particularly in the UK are confused by Trump. I'm not.

I've travelled quite a lot in the USA, and met a lot of people who are not well educated, are not international business people, not trendy West or East Coast hipsters, and many of whom have never even left their home state.

A few years ago I visited someone I thought I knew quite well, in Indiana. Over dinner the converation led to President Obama. The vitriol spewed forth. they hated him, for all the reasons that we thought he was OK. One big issue was "why should anyone get healthcare for free when we have to pay?"

The protectionist "Born in The USA" "Stars & Stripes" "I'm alright Jack" approach is what got him into the White House, and it will keep him there. For him it's that all that counts. Everything he does it intended to enhance this image in the eyes of his voters. His voters, not the International community

The half wits and the deluded can protest till the cows come home. It will have no affect, it just makes them feel good, but what a waste of time money, and effort. Plus given Trumps unpredicability, it could well have been seriously counter productive. YES ! We showed him . . . . and lost any chance of some good trade agreements.

[Doctor Gollum]

The protectionist "Born in The USA" "Stars & Stripes" "I'm alright Jack" approach is what got him into the White House, and it will keep him there. For him it's that all that counts. Everything he does it intended to enhance this image in the eyes of his voters. His voters, not the International community

Trump was actually a keen Democrat supporter for most of the noughties... He would probably have been in the White House regardless

If I may be so bold, but I think you have overlooked the fundamental difference between here and there. The United States is a mindset as much as it is a country... Even now, it is still the land of opportunity regardless of ethnicity or class.

Have a read of these words and consider what inspired them to be written...

O say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner, O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

[Mister Rog]

The protectionist "Born in The USA" "Stars & Stripes" "I'm alright Jack" approach is what got him into the White House, and it will keep him there. For him it's that all that counts. Everything he does it intended to enhance this image in the eyes of his voters. His voters, not the International community

Trump was actually a keen Democrat supporter for most of the noughties... He would probably have been in the White House regardless

If I may be so bold, but I think you have overlooked the fundamental difference between here and there. The United States is a mindset as much as it is a country... Even now, it is still the land of opportunity regardless of ethnicity or class.

No, not overlooked at all, and I completely agree. It is the land of the "can do" mindset, unlike like our Oooooohhh  Errrrrrrr constant debate and avoid accountability mindset. The Victorians weren't like that.

[TheBoy]

If you don't accept the right for people to differ with you and the right to protest on an agenda you disagree......

Whilst that's not what I said, it raises an interesting point.

In all walks of life and work, we get some liberties.  Then a minority, particularly in my work life take too many, and become a PITA/ineffective/corrosive/whatever, and that has to be struck out.

I think the same needs to happen for democracy.  If a significant minority can't deal with it/abuse it/whatever, it needs to be withdrawn.



One comment I heard on the wireless was some tree hugging diesel dyke spewing off about the fact she was protesting about the Trump visit because of the cost of Policing...   ….and she couldn't see the irony, clearly. Shame the radio is a one way medium, so she couldn't hear me shouting at her to get back to rug munching