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[TheBoy]

Hmm rubbish dealers, duff TV ect - that's what I meant, anyway how long have you owned it?

As for pay back - unless you chat to local garages this may never happen. I know unless I won the lottery I'd never be able to afford one, or justify one

I sort of knew what you were aiming it

Maybe I expect too much? Is it too much to ask for the dealer to do as I ask?

I am please to report that the Sony TV is no longer an issue. After 4yrs of putting up with the heap of crap, I now have a Dell, yes Dell, 37" LCD.  Its a sad state of affairs when I replace something as supposedly good a Sony with something as 'cheap' as a Dell.  First impressions are very, very good, though I'm sure with time I will find little niggles. The Sony, however, was annoying from the second I switched it on.


As for Tech2 paying for itself, that was never the intention. I bought it because it is occasionally required, and nobody other than dealers around here had one. And the dealers didn't know how to use it. In effect, it saves me £50 + VAT everytime I use it on my car...  ...and I (almost) know what I'm doing with it

[Martin_1962]

Hmm rubbish dealers, duff TV ect - that's what I meant, anyway how long have you owned it?

As for pay back - unless you chat to local garages this may never happen. I know unless I won the lottery I'd never be able to afford one, or justify one

I sort of knew what you were aiming it

Maybe I expect too much? Is it too much to ask for the dealer to do as I ask?

I am please to report that the Sony TV is no longer an issue. After 4yrs of putting up with the heap of crap, I now have a Dell, yes Dell, 37" LCD.  Its a sad state of affairs when I replace something as supposedly good a Sony with something as 'cheap' as a Dell.  First impressions are very, very good, though I'm sure with time I will find little niggles. The Sony, however, was annoying from the second I switched it on.


As for Tech2 paying for itself, that was never the intention. I bought it because it is occasionally required, and nobody other than dealers around here had one. And the dealers didn't know how to use it. In effect, it saves me £50 + VAT everytime I use it on my car...  ...and I (almost) know what I'm doing with it

Dealers - used to be service, now it is make money at all costs. I am at the situation that next car Omegas will be too old (newest will be 6 years old by then) to look at swapping what I have got, so I either run into ground or get something different. I have NO loyalty to GM at all, I don't rate the local dealer at all highly.

I suppose £50 a shot would pay for itself eventually, and you are always learning!

Dell - interesting choice - whose panel do they use?

[TheBoy]

#Dell - interesting choice - whose panel do they use?

Dunno. Don't think they know - its bought in like their laptops...

[Marks DTM Calib]

Probably LG as they make over half the worlds panels....

[Martin_1962]

Probably LG as they make over half the worlds panels....

Ah Lucky Goldstar

I remember when they were called Goldstar and made cheap stuff, however their cheap stuff wasn't too bad, definately better than lots of other cheap stuff. eg tape with Dolby B ect

[TheBoy]

Unlike Sony who lately have made cheap stuff really expensive

[Martin_1962]

Unlike Sony who lately have made cheap stuff really expensive

They have just screwed up - trying to take on the budget brands - their cheap stuff is no better than other peoples stuff, trying to compete on price was a mistake, your TV was an example, the slightly older more basic TaxiDriver one is better made but less featured, mine is slightly newer than TDs but older than yours and is a 50Hz which was slightly more expensive than a lot of 100Hz other brand TVs. Mine has been problem free after the DVB-T tuner was updated. OK it was £200 more due to being integrated digital but try buying a digital TV tuner 7 years ago - you couldn't

From what I can remember the FQ75 & 80 models were an issue and I think  similar issues also affected the same era IDTVs but not to same scope.

Wegas, the earliest (FD1), first reasonable price, (FX60, FX20, DX20, DS60), all 50Hz (FX20, DX20, 30, 40 ect ect), all later Wegas have been excellent TVs. All the problem ones were early DRC-MF

Expensive Sony stuff has always been good, notably their projectors, and their video cameras are still top class.

If your TV had been £100 more all spent on slightly better components you would have had no problems, but would you have bought it at that price?

That said I found a 20 year old CD player in the garage which still works.

I know you like winding me up, but some of your Sony kit was not even Sony! A lot of Sony kit is Samsung (some VCRs, some basic DVD all in ones) or Hitachi (some VCRs). Basically Sony themselves have not made a Vhs VCR.

[TheBoy]

Unlike Sony who lately have made cheap stuff really expensive

They have just screwed up - trying to take on the budget brands - their cheap stuff is no better than other peoples stuff, trying to compete on price was a mistake, your TV was an example, the slightly older more basic TaxiDriver one is better made but less featured, mine is slightly newer than TDs but older than yours and is a 50Hz which was slightly more expensive than a lot of 100Hz other brand TVs. Mine has been problem free after the DVB-T tuner was updated. OK it was £200 more due to being integrated digital but try buying a digital TV tuner 7 years ago - you couldn't

From what I can remember the FQ75 & 80 models were an issue and I think  similar issues also affected the same era IDTVs but not to same scope.

Wegas, the earliest (FD1), first reasonable price, (FX60, FX20, DX20, DS60), all 50Hz (FX20, DX20, 30, 40 ect ect), all later Wegas have been excellent TVs. All the problem ones were early DRC-MF

Expensive Sony stuff has always been good, notably their projectors, and their video cameras are still top class.

If your TV had been £100 more all spent on slightly better components you would have had no problems, but would you have bought it at that price?

That said I found a 20 year old CD player in the garage which still works.

I know you like winding me up, but some of your Sony kit was not even Sony! A lot of Sony kit is Samsung (some VCRs, some basic DVD all in ones) or Hitachi (some VCRs). Basically Sony themselves have not made a Vhs VCR.

Actually, the FQ was far from Sony trying to compete on price, it was their most expensive CRT at the time - £1500 for a 28" widescreen was outrageously expensive at the time, 4 times the price of 'cheapies' that out-performed it.

OK, Sony made a c0ck-up. I can live with that. However, Sony divisions in Europe, notably France amd Germany, implemented fixes for some of the worse problems. Sony UK refused to due to cost of fix. Then, due to the number of warranty returns, Sony UK stopped honouring these claims from retailers, leaving retailers with a load of faulty returned sets that they couldn't get replaced, or could sell.

That is not the actions of a quality company.

[Taxi_Driver]

My Dad has just bought a Sony 26" or maybe 28" i carnt remember   LCD and altho he paid over £600 for it.....its blinking amazing picture quality.....wonder if it will last as long as his old TV  

Another Sony 26" CRT over 20 years old b4 it gave up the ghost!!

[Martin_1962]

Unlike Sony who lately have made cheap stuff really expensive

They have just screwed up - trying to take on the budget brands - their cheap stuff is no better than other peoples stuff, trying to compete on price was a mistake, your TV was an example, the slightly older more basic TaxiDriver one is better made but less featured, mine is slightly newer than TDs but older than yours and is a 50Hz which was slightly more expensive than a lot of 100Hz other brand TVs. Mine has been problem free after the DVB-T tuner was updated. OK it was £200 more due to being integrated digital but try buying a digital TV tuner 7 years ago - you couldn't

From what I can remember the FQ75 & 80 models were an issue and I think  similar issues also affected the same era IDTVs but not to same scope.

Wegas, the earliest (FD1), first reasonable price, (FX60, FX20, DX20, DS60), all 50Hz (FX20, DX20, 30, 40 ect ect), all later Wegas have been excellent TVs. All the problem ones were early DRC-MF

Expensive Sony stuff has always been good, notably their projectors, and their video cameras are still top class.

If your TV had been £100 more all spent on slightly better components you would have had no problems, but would you have bought it at that price?

That said I found a 20 year old CD player in the garage which still works.

I know you like winding me up, but some of your Sony kit was not even Sony! A lot of Sony kit is Samsung (some VCRs, some basic DVD all in ones) or Hitachi (some VCRs). Basically Sony themselves have not made a Vhs VCR.

Actually, the FQ was far from Sony trying to compete on price, it was their most expensive CRT at the time - £1500 for a 28" widescreen was outrageously expensive at the time, 4 times the price of 'cheapies' that out-performed it.

OK, Sony made a c0ck-up. I can live with that. However, Sony divisions in Europe, notably France amd Germany, implemented fixes for some of the worse problems. Sony UK refused to due to cost of fix. Then, due to the number of warranty returns, Sony UK stopped honouring these claims from retailers, leaving retailers with a load of faulty returned sets that they couldn't get replaced, or could sell.

That is not the actions of a quality company.

Hmm - I'd have been on to Watchdog or similar - as to price - seen 32" for less than that

[TheBoy]

Hmm - I'd have been on to Watchdog or similar - as to price - seen 32" for less than that

Thought about reporting to Watchdog, but then noticed all their screens around the studio are Sony, so knew wouldn't get much mileage....

I got mine shortly after they came out, and when Sony could still charge premium prices for their junk - the 32" was around £200 more.

Also bought their then top of range home theatre system. What a heap of crap that is as well. Is just a bunch of some of their stuff all bundle together, but it doesn't really work together. And the speakers are the worse I have ever heard on any system.

[Martin_1962]

Hmm - I'd have been on to Watchdog or similar - as to price - seen 32" for less than that

Thought about reporting to Watchdog, but then noticed all their screens around the studio are Sony, so knew wouldn't get much mileage....

Different division those are Sony Professional and are the best CRT monitors around, but that would not of affected them.

Watchdog had a go at Sony with their first generation UK DVD players DVP-S715 and DVP-S315 for their inability to play non CDs (not really their fault since it handled Red Book perfectly and that is all a CD player has to do to have the CD logo), Since my first player was a 715 I knew about this but found it more fun to empty the record store of NONCDs and report the producers to Philips for "Passing Off" their NONCDs as CDs - only two were effected so I ripped on the PC and gave copies to a friend then used copies in the DVD player.

Now I am evil over NONCDs no matter who produces them - I never buy now as want Red Book despite being able to play the NONCDs, as a matter of principal, I still need to report Tescos for passing off these as CDs.

Watchdog has also had a go at other Sony products, notably some early IDTVs, whereas I took the pragmatic solution of letting them do the full package of updates to mine. (The Sony tuner was released before text was finally specified, and before CAMs were ready - basically DVB-T specifications were incomplete), as I dealt direct I got it sorted very quickly and easily - in this case complaints AFAIC were a waste of time.

BTW If the DVB-T standard ever changes to SFN and 8K multiplexes the Sony tuner will cope, unlike most Ondigital boxes and quite a few first generation Freeview boxes.

Also bought their then top of range home theatre system. What a heap of crap that is as well. Is just a bunch of some of their stuff all bundle together, but it doesn't really work together. And the speakers are the worse I have ever heard on any system.

Home Cinema system - an all in one - what model? If it is the early one with out SCART it may be Samsung.

But Sony speakers - unless they are the mega expensive ones, they will not be good, for speakers you are usually best buying from UK specialists - eg I have 5 Castles.

[TheBoy]

Couldn't tell you now what model home theatre system is now. Its a bundle of a load of their stuff, but ill conceived, and not really working well together. Consists of amp/tuner, a sub that also appears to be a 2.1 amp and 5 very poor satelites...

[TheBoy]

And the crap sub has no remote switch on, so though I can use remote to turn amp/tuner on, I have to get up to turn sub on. Very weak design/bundle.

[Martin_1962]

Aghh cheap satellites my idea of hell

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