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Title: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Rods2 on 31 May 2018, 11:13:56
when two of his 'ladies' fight over him. :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5787383/Shocking-video-shows-brawl-two-women.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5787383/Shocking-video-shows-brawl-two-women.html)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Kevin Wood on 31 May 2018, 11:55:56
Classy. I can see he has impeccable taste. :o
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 May 2018, 12:45:31
My stable of available 'bitches' is impressive.

I reserve these two beauties following nights out that run to more than 30 pints.

They are lovely girls. :)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: aaronjb on 31 May 2018, 13:08:16
I think my favourite bit is the china mug being bounced off a fizzog..  ;D ;D

That or the arse flashing that seems to have instigated it! ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 May 2018, 13:29:35
I think my favourite bit is the china mug being bounced off a fizzog..  ;D ;D

That or the arse flashing that seems to have instigated it! ;D

Be honest, Aaron. You would. You know you would. :)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 31 May 2018, 14:29:18
I think my favourite bit is the china mug being bounced off a fizzog..  ;D ;D

That or the arse flashing that seems to have instigated it! ;D

Be honest, Aaron. You would. You know you would. :)
The blonde* at a pinch, but she wouldn't be meeting mother...

*clearly not actually blonde ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 May 2018, 14:40:03
Maybe a trip to Specsavers is required but does anyone think the 'lady' with brown hair looks similar to Meghan Markle..... ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 31 May 2018, 21:34:45
Classy pair 😀😁😂
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: BazaJT on 31 May 2018, 21:39:01
That's classed as a friendly greeting in Barnsley ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 31 May 2018, 21:50:37
That blonde's a right little go'er!  :y
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: deviator on 01 June 2018, 14:44:38
I saw the video and thought, 'The spice girls should really stop.'
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: BazaJT on 01 June 2018, 20:01:15
Let's be fair the Spice Girls should never have started in the first place :D ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: aaronjb on 01 June 2018, 20:18:31
There's a longer version of this video on YouTube .. at the end the blonde speaks to the camera and by the looks of it I'd say she was at the very least hammered, or more likely has a healthy smack habit.. :o
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Viral_Jim on 01 June 2018, 22:55:02
This is by far and away the best part of the article.

(https://preview.ibb.co/crthHd/8526_DDCA_37_D8_4_D3_B_A097_945957_F8828_D.png) (https://ibb.co/jJPYOJ)

Looks like a clip from Crouching Tiger Hidden Hippo.  ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 01 June 2018, 23:42:47
Nothing hidden there... :D

Waste of a cuppa though ::)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Rods2 on 02 June 2018, 01:01:03
This is by far and away the best part of the article.

(https://preview.ibb.co/crthHd/8526_DDCA_37_D8_4_D3_B_A097_945957_F8828_D.png) (https://ibb.co/jJPYOJ)

Looks like a clip from Crouching Tiger Hidden Hippo.  ;D

If you are looking for some real class in the picture check out the finest northern brickie brickwork. :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 02 June 2018, 08:11:51

If you are looking for some real class in the picture check out the finest northern brickie brickwork. :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D

poor re-pointing ,100+ year old English bond ,
seen alot worse  ;D
and it's lasted 100+ years, bricks where not uniform back then,
 I recently rebuilt my kitchen with period correct bricks ,not easy compared to modern, light,uniform bricks
and being a "brickie" involved little to no training
back then they threw walls up 
better than 'some' of the crap sheds they put up today though  :o
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: ronnyd on 03 June 2018, 12:45:50
This is by far and away the best part of the article.

(https://preview.ibb.co/crthHd/8526_DDCA_37_D8_4_D3_B_A097_945957_F8828_D.png) (https://ibb.co/jJPYOJ)

Looks like a clip from Crouching Tiger Hidden Hippo.  ;D

If you are looking for some real class in the picture check out the finest northern brickie brickwork. :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D
Being held up by the Poundland plant hanger. :y
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 03 June 2018, 13:59:23

Being held up by the Poundland plant hanger. :y

Poundland was not about 100 years ago  ;)
so, the brickwork lasted 90 years without the help of said poundland tat  :y
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Mr Gav on 05 June 2018, 22:00:26

If you are looking for some real class in the picture check out the finest northern brickie brickwork. :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D

poor re-pointing ,100+ year old English bond ,
seen alot worse  ;D
and it's lasted 100+ years, bricks where not uniform back then,
 I recently rebuilt my kitchen with period correct bricks ,not easy compared to modern, light,uniform bricks
and being a "brickie" involved little to no training
back then they threw walls up 
better than 'some' of the crap sheds they put up today though  :o

One things for sure..that isn`t English bond  ;)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 06 June 2018, 00:32:37


One things for sure..that isn`t English bond  ;)

Correct  :)  stretcher bond ish  ;D
I only looked at one pic briefly
I should have looked more closely   :-[ , my 26"  pc screen's capacitors have spewed their guts
currently having to revert back to ye olde 15" till the 32" replacement restores my poor eyesight  :P

Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Mr Gav on 06 June 2018, 07:14:56


One things for sure..that isn`t English bond  ;)

Correct  :)  stretcher bond ish  ;D
I only looked at one pic briefly
I should have looked more closely   :-[ , my 26"  pc screen's capacitors have spewed their guts
currently having to revert back to ye olde 15" till the 32" replacement restores my poor eyesight  :P

It`s a bit like a lot of the brickwork of the time, just throw in the odd half when things don`t work out (when the bricklayers can`t keep the perps plumb)  ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Rods2 on 06 June 2018, 18:14:58
While charmer Lord Opti was plying his charms on the 'ladies' finer points, the rest of OOF are discussing something much more interesting the brickworks finer points. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 06 June 2018, 20:04:24
While charmer Lord Opti was plying his charms on the 'ladies' finer points, the rest of OOF are discussing something much more interesting the brickworks finer points. ;D ;D ;D
there's dum-ass women fighting all over the place ,everywhere , every day BUT...
how often do you see bricks these days  :P
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: BazaJT on 06 June 2018, 20:45:11
You gotta love this forum don't you?A thread about two women fighting becomes a discussion on brickwork and the likely age of when the houses were built!It's brilliant I love it :y
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 06 June 2018, 21:04:20
As a railway historian I love the engineering bricks used to build the railways in the 19th century.  As an excellent example you just have see the marvellous twin brick flat arch bridges, each with a 128 foot span, that cross the Thames at Maidenhead built by Isambard K. Brunel and finished in 1838.  The so called experts of the time believed it would collaspe under it's own weight due to the flatness and length of each span. It today carries the latest High Speed Trains, and still looks beautiful.

I had the chance once to secure some engineering bricks from a viaduct built in 1899 as part of the Great Central main line to Rugby which I watched being demolished ( :'( :'(  >:() in the late 1970's.  They were a great slate grey in colour and I would still have them today if my ex had not taken them >:(

Yes, I love great brickwork :-* ;)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Mr Gav on 06 June 2018, 21:24:51
You gotta love this forum don't you?A thread about two women fighting becomes a discussion on brickwork and the likely age of when the houses were built!It's brilliant I love it :y

Very poor brickwork at that  ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Rods2 on 06 June 2018, 21:35:50
While charmer Lord Opti was plying his charms on the 'ladies' finer points, the rest of OOF are discussing something much more interesting the brickworks finer points. ;D ;D ;D
there's dum-ass women fighting all over the place ,everywhere , every day BUT...
how often do you see bricks these days  :P

On site, pah, only ever see them when I'm down the pub. :P :P :P
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 06 June 2018, 21:54:17
I see they are re making 3" staffordshire blues  :)

and weathered imperial wire cut  :P
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Mr Gav on 06 June 2018, 22:46:30
I see they are re making 3" staffordshire blues  :)

and weathered imperial wire cut  :P

Lovely, you won`t be able to wall more than five courses at a time with those  :y
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 07 June 2018, 09:26:44
I see they are re making 3" staffordshire blues  :)

and weathered imperial wire cut  :P

Lovely, you won`t be able to wall more than five courses at a time with those  :y
Less if you are making traditional lime mortar in the hope of sticking them together  ;D

though you would think ,the "new old bricks" would be a little more uniform than the 1890 originals
which vary 15mm in length  :P

So I would say brick technology  ,like cars have  moved on over the years
UNLIKE women ,fighting over petty things  :D  ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Bigron on 07 June 2018, 09:42:36
I see they are re making 3" staffordshire blues  :)

and weathered imperial wire cut  :P

Lovely, you won`t be able to wall more than five courses at a time with those  :y
Less if you are making traditional lime mortar in the hope of sticking them together  ;D

though you would think ,the "new old bricks" would be a little more uniform than the 1890 originals
which vary 15mm in length  :P

So I would say brick technology  ,like cars have  moved on over the years
UNLIKE women ,fighting over petty things  :D  ;D

Yes Dave! I once thought that I understood women - then I woke up!  :D

Ron.
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 June 2018, 10:37:58
I see they are re making 3" staffordshire blues  :)

and weathered imperial wire cut  :P

Lovely, you won`t be able to wall more than five courses at a time with those  :y
Less if you are making traditional lime mortar in the hope of sticking them together  ;D

though you would think ,the "new old bricks" would be a little more uniform than the 1890 originals
which vary 15mm in length  :P

So I would say brick technology  ,like cars have  moved on over the years
UNLIKE women ,fighting over petty things  :D  ;D

Yes Dave! I once thought that I understood women - then I woke up!  :D

Ron.

 :o :o :o :o :o  Both of you should be so ashamed of yourselves making such comments........now I could have a go about MEN, but I'm a lady! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* ;)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Kevin Wood on 07 June 2018, 11:12:27
I see they are re making 3" staffordshire blues  :)

and weathered imperial wire cut  :P

Lovely, you won`t be able to wall more than five courses at a time with those  :y
Less if you are making traditional lime mortar in the hope of sticking them together  ;D

though you would think ,the "new old bricks" would be a little more uniform than the 1890 originals
which vary 15mm in length  :P

So I would say brick technology  ,like cars have  moved on over the years
UNLIKE women ,fighting over petty things  :D  ;D

Yes Dave! I once thought that I understood women - then I woke up!  :D

Ron.

 :o :o :o :o :o  Both of you should be so ashamed of yourselves making such comments........now I could have a go about MEN, but I'm a lady! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* ;)

That wouldn't take long, though, you see. Just ensure a suitable supply of beer, petrol and grilled meat products and we're happy. Next? :y
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Bigron on 07 June 2018, 11:14:44
Before you slag me off, Lizzie, let me tell you what a mature female student of mine once said to me:
"Ron, even women don't understand women, so what chance do YOU stand?"  :P

Ron.
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Kevin Wood on 07 June 2018, 11:28:15
Before you slag me off, Lizzie, let me tell you what a mature female student of mine once said to me:
"Ron, even women don't understand women, so what chance do YOU stand?"  :P

Ron.

Yep. I am chairman of a (predominantly male) radio society. Mrs KW is on the committee of a WI branch. It's interesting to compare notes from committee meetings.

For me, a good committee meeting is one where we get together over a beer and decide what we're going to do for the next couple of months and who is going to do it, then have time for more beer.

For her, a good committee meeting is seemingly one where nobody's eyes get scratched out. ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 June 2018, 12:20:25
Before you slag me off, Lizzie, let me tell you what a mature female student of mine once said to me:
"Ron, even women don't understand women, so what chance do YOU stand?"  :P

Ron.

That is because we are really in competition with each other, on many complicated levels, that men will never understand because their lives are far more simple in their needs :D :-* ;)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 June 2018, 12:21:39
Before you slag me off, Lizzie, let me tell you what a mature female student of mine once said to me:
"Ron, even women don't understand women, so what chance do YOU stand?"  :P

Ron.

Yep. I am chairman of a (predominantly male) radio society. Mrs KW is on the committee of a WI branch. It's interesting to compare notes from committee meetings.

For me, a good committee meeting is one where we get together over a beer and decide what we're going to do for the next couple of months and who is going to do it, then have time for more beer.

For her, a good committee meeting is seemingly one where nobody's eyes get scratched out. ;D

Yep, as per my last comment to Ron ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 June 2018, 14:38:32
Before you slag me off, Lizzie, let me tell you what a mature female student of mine once said to me:
"Ron, even women don't understand women, so what chance do YOU stand?"  :P

Ron.

Yep. I am chairman of a (predominantly male) radio society. Mrs KW is on the committee of a WI branch. It's interesting to compare notes from committee meetings.

For me, a good committee meeting is one where we get together over a beer and decide what we're going to do for the next couple of months and who is going to do it, then have time for more beer.

For her, a good committee meeting is seemingly one where nobody's eyes get scratched out. ;D

Is the WI still all 'Jam and Jerusalem' or has it changed? :)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Bigron on 07 June 2018, 15:23:50
Before you slag me off, Lizzie, let me tell you what a mature female student of mine once said to me:
"Ron, even women don't understand women, so what chance do YOU stand?"  :P

Ron.

That is because we are really in competition with each other, on many complicated levels, that men will never understand because their lives are far more simple in their needs :D :-* ;)

It only seems simple to you because you don't understand our complexity - oh, how little you know, Lizzie!  :P

Ron.
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Kevin Wood on 07 June 2018, 15:53:53
Before you slag me off, Lizzie, let me tell you what a mature female student of mine once said to me:
"Ron, even women don't understand women, so what chance do YOU stand?"  :P

Ron.

Yep. I am chairman of a (predominantly male) radio society. Mrs KW is on the committee of a WI branch. It's interesting to compare notes from committee meetings.

For me, a good committee meeting is one where we get together over a beer and decide what we're going to do for the next couple of months and who is going to do it, then have time for more beer.

For her, a good committee meeting is seemingly one where nobody's eyes get scratched out. ;D

Is the WI still all 'Jam and Jerusalem' or has it changed? :)
Well, they decided to start a WI branch that meets during the evening to attract younger ladies and it worked.. They range in age from mid 20's upwards. Jam and Jerusalem don't seem to feature much, as far as I can tell. Alcohol, on the other hand... ::)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 June 2018, 15:53:57
Let's go back talking about bricks; I do love bricks......... :-* :-* :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Bigron on 07 June 2018, 15:57:02
Tee hee!  :-X

Ron.
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 07 June 2018, 18:03:09
Let's go back talking about bricks; I do love bricks......... :-* :-* :D :D ;)

there you go  :y
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/8xsAAOSwr6RZpzTY/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 June 2018, 18:35:18
Let's go back talking about bricks; I do love bricks......... :-* :-* :D :D ;)

there you go  :y
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/8xsAAOSwr6RZpzTY/s-l1600.jpg)

Excellent Dave! :y

Judging by the style and shape of those bricks are they late 19th century, around 1880? ???
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 07 June 2018, 18:49:45

Judging by the style and shape of those bricks are they late 19th century, around 1880? ???
Victorian soft red
Not my work
just a bit of brick porn to show i'm not a total caveman  :y

though I am a total caveman ,truth be told  ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: ronnyd on 07 June 2018, 18:54:49
Damn sight better than what those two "ladies" were scrapping in front of. :-*
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 07 June 2018, 19:05:31
Damn sight better than what those two "ladies" were scrapping in front of. :-*
What "Ladies"  :-\  this thread is about bricks  ;D
Oh ye , them women in the brickwork photo  :y
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 June 2018, 21:12:14

Judging by the style and shape of those bricks are they late 19th century, around 1880? ???
Victorian soft red
Not my work
just a bit of brick porn to show i'm not a total caveman  :y

though I am a total caveman ,truth be told  ;D

Yes Dave bricks are very interesting in themselves, but I have looked at so many houses and other buildings from various periods of history. How they were used, and by whom (i.e. A builder constructing houses for the rich certainly performed differently, and used cheaper materials than when pushing up rows of working class terraces) tells a story in itself.  But it is amazing how so many of the Victorian and Ewardian terraces still survive. The advent of mechanised brick making in line with the Industrial Revolution meant a steady improvement in quality from the late 1800's, with quite good bricks emerging after 1900. But again that was dependant on costs and what the bricks were for.

As I touched on before, the Victorian engineering bricks are something to admire, and the quality of those can be witnessed in the still, strong and beautiful railway structures such as bridges, viaducts, and tunnels.  They were built to last. Of

When I was a child we lived close to the Highbooms Brick factory in Tunbridge Wells, Kent, and my Great Auntie often took me for walks past the plant.  My recollection is that the bricks were all being produced on a production line, but very much by hand.  I cannot remember seeing any evidence of mechanisation apart from the tractor that took the completed stacks of bricks across the road to railway wagons sitting in a siding opposite.

Our house in Highbrooms was very much of the Victorian era, with the typical (rough) brickwork of that time.  I always assumed the bricks used were from the local brickworks, and indeed even the pavements of every street was constructed using these bricks.

Bricks I consider to always be far more pleasing and friendly compared to any concrete structure. When I visited Liverpool last year that was so strikingly the case when I compared the modern concrete constructed City Museum with the total brick built old warehouses around the Albert Dock area. They were so impressive, and of course it is great that they are being used fully for modern needs.  Whilst on the Mersey Ferry we were told that an old tobacco bonded warehouse we could see from the ship was being converted into a hotel. It was an amazingly large structure and apparently it was built from the largest number of bricks ever used in Britain.

But in summary it is so good to see so many Victorian and Edwardian brick built buildings being used for future needs, and must prove the worth of using that material versus the rather disgraced, blown, concrete structures of the 1960's and 70's that in so many cases have been torn down. With bricks you do not need cladding to beautify them as some idiots have decided to do with towers like Grenfell, with such disastrous results. Long live bricks I say 8)  8) :y
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Bigron on 07 June 2018, 21:26:29
Just like Lego, they are so adaptable and are limited only by one's imagination.
You spoke of history, Lizzie, and on that archaeological programme, "Time Team" thay use unearthed bricks to date the buildings, Tudor bricks being different from Victorian, for instance.
Today's architectcts seem to have lost the plot: they seem to draw in straight lines too - no curves.
Oh, there are curves on that monstrosity, "The Gherkin" in London. What a piece of self-indulgence that is on the part of the up-himself architect.
Sorry for straying from the topic, but I type as I speak - randomly!  ;D

Ron.
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 June 2018, 21:48:40
Just like Lego, they are so adaptable and are limited only by one's imagination.
You spoke of history, Lizzie, and on that archaeological programme, "Time Team" thay use unearthed bricks to date the buildings, Tudor bricks being different from Victorian, for instance.
Today's architectcts seem to have lost the plot: they seem to draw in straight lines too - no curves.
Oh, there are curves on that monstrosity, "The Gherkin" in London. What a piece of self-indulgence that is on the part of the up-himself architect.
Sorry for straying from the topic, but I type as I speak - randomly!  ;D

Ron.



That's right.  How the bricks were made, and when, is very evident from the colours and shapes used so are a good way of dating a structure, or the remains of such**. You mention Tudor bricks; they were and are usually of a red colour, and are much flatter that later and modern bricks. They are typical of hand made bricks being of slightly differing dimensions.  A Tudor wall is unmistakeable, and of course is so different from the mud and hay walls, framed in timber, versions of typical (cheaper) built houses of those times, and before/after. The Tudor brick built structures were expensive, so relegated to the State and Monachy buildings. Henry VIII is famous for his passion in building expensive palaces, such as Hampton Court, all in brick.  He actually 'designed' many more that were never built due to cost implications.  In fact our dear Henry was spending English funds like water! :D ;)

** This also applies to masonry, with the way they were chiselled and shaped giving those who know these things information on who the stone mason was, when the masonry was formed and where it went in the building structure. :-*
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Bigron on 07 June 2018, 21:53:45
Just like Lego, they are so adaptable and are limited only by one's imagination.
You spoke of history, Lizzie, and on that archaeological programme, "Time Team" thay use unearthed bricks to date the buildings, Tudor bricks being different from Victorian, for instance.
Today's architectcts seem to have lost the plot: they seem to draw in straight lines too - no curves.
Oh, there are curves on that monstrosity, "The Gherkin" in London. What a piece of self-indulgence that is on the part of the up-himself architect.
Sorry for straying from the topic, but I type as I speak - randomly!  ;D

Ron.



That's right.  How the bricks were made, and when, is very evident from the colours and shapes used so are a good way of dating a structure, or the remains of such.  You mention Tudor bricks; they were and are usually of a red colour, and are much flatter that later and modern bricks. They are typical of hand made bricks being of slightly differing dimensions.  A Tudor wall is unmistakeable, and of course is so different from the mud and hay walls, framed in timber, versions of typical (cheaper) built houses of those times, and before/after. The Tudor brick built structures were expensive, so relegated to the State and Monachy buildings. Henry VIII is famous for his passion in building expensive palaces, such as Hampton Court, all in brick.  He actually 'designed' many more that were never built due to cost implications.  In fact our dear Henry was spending English funds like water! :D ;)

And now that mantle has been taken over by our governments and councils!  >:(

Ron.
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 June 2018, 22:00:31
Just like Lego, they are so adaptable and are limited only by one's imagination.
You spoke of history, Lizzie, and on that archaeological programme, "Time Team" thay use unearthed bricks to date the buildings, Tudor bricks being different from Victorian, for instance.
Today's architectcts seem to have lost the plot: they seem to draw in straight lines too - no curves.
Oh, there are curves on that monstrosity, "The Gherkin" in London. What a piece of self-indulgence that is on the part of the up-himself architect.
Sorry for straying from the topic, but I type as I speak - randomly!  ;D

Ron.



That's right.  How the bricks were made, and when, is very evident from the colours and shapes used so are a good way of dating a structure, or the remains of such.  You mention Tudor bricks; they were and are usually of a red colour, and are much flatter that later and modern bricks. They are typical of hand made bricks being of slightly differing dimensions.  A Tudor wall is unmistakeable, and of course is so different from the mud and hay walls, framed in timber, versions of typical (cheaper) built houses of those times, and before/after. The Tudor brick built structures were expensive, so relegated to the State and Monachy buildings. Henry VIII is famous for his passion in building expensive palaces, such as Hampton Court, all in brick.  He actually 'designed' many more that were never built due to cost implications.  In fact our dear Henry was spending English funds like water! :D ;)

And now that mantle has been taken over by our governments and councils!  >:(

Ron.

Oh no Ron, dear Henry was far worse than and, as an absolute monach, his spending had no restraint on it apart from how little was left in the coffers. But even then he would demand more funds /taxes from his Lords.  In fact when Elizabeth I was crowned England was effectively bankrupt, and our Lizzie had to work bloody hard, and 'buy' diplomatic time to build up the nations wealth and navy before Spain attacked as she knew they surely would, and did in 1588. ;)

I would also add to my previous post, that only a few very wealthy Members of the acristocracy also built very large stately homes out of Tudor bricks, but that was frequently done to encourage Henry, and later Elizabeth, to stay in their homes to encourage 'favours' from the monach.
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 07 June 2018, 22:11:35


But in summary it is so good to see so many Victorian and Edwardian brick built buildings being used for future needs, and must prove the worth of using that material versus the rather disgraced, blown, concrete structures of the 1960's and 70's that in so many cases have been torn down. With bricks you do not need cladding to beautify them as some idiots have decided to do with towers like Grenfell, with such disastrous results. Long live bricks I say 8)  8) :y

cladding was about energy efficiency to keep in-line with eu and saving energy ,as well as cosmetics
it needs to get pretty hot for bricks to burn though  ;)


Our local fire station has just been demolished (Swadlincote, Derbyshire)
No great loss , a fairly ugly 70's building ,being replaced with probably an uglier metal can building
Behind the station WAS the remains of swad train station's platform ,(an old branch line being removed long ago)
a wall some 3' high , 40 foot long ,blue engineering brick with some custom made 9" x 18" diamond pattern toppers that was the platform edge , never seen them before ....
and will never see them again
they've ripped em all out (no doubt one of the local councilors has a new garden feature )
replaced with modern blockwork
so much for preserving local history  >:(


Today's architectcts seem to have lost the plot: they seem to draw in straight lines too - no curves.
Oh, there are curves on that monstrosity, "The Gherkin" in London. What a piece of self-indulgence that is on the part of the up-himself architect.
Sorry for straying from the topic, but I type as I speak - randomly!  ;D

Ron.

bit late for doing anything about "straying from the topic" I think  ;D






Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 June 2018, 22:17:41


But in summary it is so good to see so many Victorian and Edwardian brick built buildings being used for future needs, and must prove the worth of using that material versus the rather disgraced, blown, concrete structures of the 1960's and 70's that in so many cases have been torn down. With bricks you do not need cladding to beautify them as some idiots have decided to do with towers like Grenfell, with such disastrous results. Long live bricks I say 8)  8) :y

cladding was about energy efficiency to keep in-line with eu and saving energy ,as well as cosmetics
it needs to get pretty hot for bricks to burn though  ;)


Our local fire station has just been demolished (Swadlincote, Derbyshire)
No great loss , a fairly ugly 70's building ,being replaced with probably an uglier metal can building
Behind the station WAS the remains of swad train station's platform ,(an old branch line being removed long ago)
a wall some 3' high , 40 foot long ,blue engineering brick with some custom made 9" x 18" diamond pattern toppers that was the platform edge , never seen them before ....
and will never see them again
they've ripped em all out (no doubt one of the local councilors has a new garden feature )
replaced with modern blockwork

so much for preserving local history  >:(


Today's architectcts seem to have lost the plot: they seem to draw in straight lines too - no curves.
Oh, there are curves on that monstrosity, "The Gherkin" in London. What a piece of self-indulgence that is on the part of the up-himself architect.
Sorry for straying from the topic, but I type as I speak - randomly!  ;D

Ron.

bit late for doing anything about "straying from the topic" I think  ;D

Now that is criminal >:(. Some councils are so stupid, short sighted, and maybe corrupt in not protecting such history.
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 07 June 2018, 22:54:49
They neither know, nor care... Much like the two delights at the start of the thread :D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Viral_Jim on 07 June 2018, 23:12:16
Interesting talking about bricks. The front wall of our house is rather grand looking in the very very regular bricks and tight mortar gaps (5-8mm). The other walls are much rougher and very much akin to the workers’ terraces that sit behind us. Clearly the family who had this place done wanted to portray a wealth they did not possess.

The trend continues inside, the two reception rooms where guests would have been, along with the hallway has rather lovely coving amd ceiling roses (clearly added later as electric lighting wasn’t available in Kidderminster when this house was built). But the other rooms are much less grand and even lose about 8” in ceiling height when you get away from the “posh rooms”.  ;D

This all ties very well to our knowledge of who had the house built. He was a senior engineer at one of the carpet mills. So certainly wealthy, but to have this place built in the day must have cost an absolute fortune.
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 08 June 2018, 00:48:46
They neither know, nor care... Much like the two delights at the start of the thread :D

Nice try  :y

But I don't see this thread getting back on topic any time soon  :D  ;D

Interesting talking about bricks. The front wall of our house is rather grand looking in the very very regular bricks and tight mortar gaps (5-8mm). The other walls are much rougher and very much akin to the workers’ terraces that sit behind us. Clearly the family who had this place done wanted to portray a wealth they did not possess.

The trend continues inside, the two reception rooms where guests would have been, along with the hallway has rather lovely coving amd ceiling roses (clearly added later as electric lighting wasn’t available in Kidderminster when this house was built). But the other rooms are much less grand and even lose about 8” in ceiling height when you get away from the “posh rooms”.  ;D

This all ties very well to our knowledge of who had the house built. He was a senior engineer at one of the carpet mills. So certainly wealthy, but to have this place built in the day must have cost an absolute fortune.

We have nice uniform bricks ,stone lintels  & ledges at the front (1887)
the sides and rear are much rougher bricks ,brick arches above windows and cants   :o  (google it but get the spelling right   ;D ) as window ledges

I guess the modern version is "2 cars on the drive but F all in the fridge " all about show  :y

I was fortunate when I rebuilt the kitchen , next door knocked there's down and rebuilt it in easy to lay modern bricks
which left a couple of thousand period ,perfect match wire cut imperial bricks in skips next door
I had a word , said that i will "help them out ,take the old bricks out the skip , saving them skip costs"  :y
(plus wire cuts are a minimum 50p each + delivery  +vat , even for rough ones ),






Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: biggriffin on 08 June 2018, 08:05:19
Our lord Opti, uses bricks to sterilise any workmen interfering with his wenchs,on the estate.
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Viral_Jim on 08 June 2018, 08:47:57
Probably my least favourite job on this place was cleaning up about 600 bricks so they could be used in our dwarf retaining wall in the garden, along with a couple of hundred blue pavers to top it. To clean up a whole extension’s worth must have taken chuffin ages!  :y

Ours is again similar, although rather than cants, at the back we have  shaped terracotta “nosing bricks” (100% not the right term I know).
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 08 June 2018, 10:15:01
Our lord Opti, uses bricks to sterilise any workmen interfering with his wenchs,on the estate.
I believe that is frowned upon by the Geneva Convention boffins nowadays
and probably against some obscure EU law too  ::)

As Lord Opti is outside MY 25 mile "catchment area" for work , I doubt it will be an issue  :y

If lord opti likes sterilizing things ,I've some socks which are quite pungent ,would save Mrs Builder a task  :)

 
Probably my least favourite job on this place was cleaning up about 600 bricks so they could be used in our dwarf retaining wall in the garden, along with a couple of hundred blue pavers to top it. To clean up a whole extension’s worth must have taken chuffin ages!  :y

Ours is again similar, although rather than cants, at the back we have  shaped terracotta “nosing bricks” (100% not the right term I know).

Cleaning bricks is indeed a PITA, and does mess your hands up ,if like me, you don't like wearing gloves when working  :(
In the case of the freebie bricks, many had lime mortar ,which came off far to easy ,a good number where "rejects" that lined the cellar floors ,and had never seen mortar  8)
much time was spent grading the bricks to decide where they would go because getting colour variation random and rustic to match the rest of the rear ,took careful planning/placement  ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Varche on 08 June 2018, 11:27:07
Probably my least favourite job on this place was cleaning up about 600 bricks so they could be used in our dwarf retaining wall in the garden, along with a couple of hundred blue pavers to top it. To clean up a whole extension’s worth must have taken chuffin ages!  :y

Ours is again similar, although rather than cants, at the back we have  shaped terracotta “nosing bricks” (100% not the right term I know).


You have got dwarfs? Are you Jimmy K Rowling? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: STEMO on 08 June 2018, 13:09:02
I once had a job chit with that written on. 'Spalling to dwarf wall'.
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 June 2018, 13:51:06

much time was spent grading the bricks to decide where they would go because getting colour variation random and rustic to match the rest of the rear ,took careful planning/placement  ;D

A friend bought a new house on a Bovis development and the back garden looks on to the gable end of a neighbouring house.

There are 3 different shades of brick in 3 layered blocks, where the brickies didn't bother to mix up the bricks and simply took them from one pallet at a time.  ::)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 08 June 2018, 14:54:27

A friend bought a new house on a Bovis development and the back garden looks on to the gable end of a neighbouring house.

There are 3 different shades of brick in 3 layered blocks, where the brickies didn't bother to mix up the bricks and simply took them from one pallet at a time.  ::)

 It would be up to the site foreman ,or whom ever he delegates to pick up issues with matching or miss matched bricks ,also who ever was feeding the brickies the bricks
rather than the Brickies  who are probably sub-contract ,paid by the brick or square meter .

Plus , it may well have been noted ,BUT , to save cost or speed up completion of the build ,the 3 packs where used on the gable .

I once had a job chit with that written on. 'Spalling to dwarf wall'.

I assume you knocked it down and replaced said dwarf ,rather than cutting bricks in  :-\  or applied water-repellent sealer  :P
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: STEMO on 08 June 2018, 14:58:42

A friend bought a new house on a Bovis development and the back garden looks on to the gable end of a neighbouring house.

There are 3 different shades of brick in 3 layered blocks, where the brickies didn't bother to mix up the bricks and simply took them from one pallet at a time.  ::)

 It would be up to the site foreman ,or whom ever he delegates to pick up issues with matching or miss matched bricks ,also who ever was feeding the brickies the bricks
rather than the Brickies  who are probably sub-contract ,paid by the brick or square meter .

Plus , it may well have been noted ,BUT , to save cost or speed up completion of the build ,the 3 packs where used on the gable .

I once had a job chit with that written on. 'Spalling to dwarf wall'.

I assume you knocked it down and replaced said dwarf ,rather than cutting bricks in  :-\  or applied water-repellent sealer  :P
No, I put a coat of Unibond on it and rendered it.  :P
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 08 June 2018, 15:07:58

No, I put a coat of Unibond on it and rendered it ugly concrete.  :P
SHHHHH
Don't tell Lizzie ,she don't like concrete walls  :y

Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 08 June 2018, 17:07:58

No, I put a coat of Unibond on it and rendered it ugly concrete.  :P
SHHHHH
Don't tell Lizzie ,she don't like concrete walls  :y

 ;D ;D ;D ;D Indeed Dave, I would ban concrete walls if I came into power (whilst investing heavily in brick companies!!) ;) :)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: STEMO on 08 June 2018, 17:34:09

No, I put a coat of Unibond on it and rendered it ugly concrete.  :P
SHHHHH
Don't tell Lizzie ,she don't like concrete walls  :y
You can make them some interesting colours with the dyes available now. Dark blue rendered wall anyone?  ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 08 June 2018, 17:57:26

No, I put a coat of Unibond on it and rendered it ugly concrete.  :P
SHHHHH
Don't tell Lizzie ,she don't like concrete walls  :y
You can make them some interesting colours with the dyes available now. Dark blue rendered wall anyone?  ;D
why not go the whole hog clicky linky  (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brick-Effect-Wallpaper-Textured-Embossed-Vinyl-Slate-Stone-Rustic-Realistic-Red/372102497013?epid=3007021865&hash=item56a30982f5:g:cdoAAOSwjM5aHYoj)  ;D

or pattern imprint when wet ,and dye to look like bricks

or brick slips

or knock the wall down and rebuild it in staff blues (I have a stock of originals here £1 a pop + P&P) ;D


 
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Rods2 on 09 June 2018, 14:08:34

No, I put a coat of Unibond on it and rendered it ugly concrete.  :P
SHHHHH
Don't tell Lizzie ,she don't like concrete walls  :y
You can make them some interesting colours with the dyes available now. Dark blue rendered wall anyone?  ;D
why not go the whole hog clicky linky  (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brick-Effect-Wallpaper-Textured-Embossed-Vinyl-Slate-Stone-Rustic-Realistic-Red/372102497013?epid=3007021865&hash=item56a30982f5:g:cdoAAOSwjM5aHYoj)  ;D

or pattern imprint when wet ,and dye to look like bricks

or brick slips

or knock the wall down and rebuild it in staff blues (I have a stock of originals here £1 a pop + P&P) ;D

Good job for Lizzie, replace all London's dangerous tower block cladding with this. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 09 June 2018, 14:23:06

Good job for Lizzie, replace all London's dangerous tower block cladding with this. ;D ;D ;D

a bit flammable i'd of thought  :-\
but then , so is the cladding apparently  :-X

Lizzie , you van borrow my paste table and small step ladder if you want to take up Rods2 's idea  :y
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 09 June 2018, 20:19:22

Good job for Lizzie, replace all London's dangerous tower block cladding with this. ;D ;D ;D

a bit flammable i'd of thought  :-\
but then , so is the cladding apparently  :-X

Lizzie , you van borrow my paste table and small step ladder if you want to take up Rods2 's idea  :y

No, you just do not build high rise buildings for the poorer members of our society to live in, where corners are cut with design and construction kept at the cheapest standard.  Instead build great, quality houses, or at highest, low rise, 5 floor blocks of flats, with lifts, and out of bricks.  No need for cladding, with the highest level of thermo efficiency built in.

You then either demolish all the high rise blocks used for the  non-wealthy, or re-develop them for the rich, to their standards, as they have in London at least. ;)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 June 2018, 20:25:48
Why not, if people want free/subsidized housing, then they should get exactly what they pay for...
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 09 June 2018, 21:08:59
We have to stack the poor people up high because the rich need extra land for garages to park cars in ,gyms ,swimming pools ,tennis courts etc
ok, they never get used , BUT sale of land and paying the poor builder ,who pays tax ,pays for stacking up the poor lazy people

ok , that should get a reply to this thread  ;D :D
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Shackeng on 10 June 2018, 11:22:05
I see they are re making 3" staffordshire blues  :)

and weathered imperial wire cut  :P


Lovely, you won`t be able to wall more than five courses at a time with those  :y
Less if you are making traditional lime mortar in the hope of sticking them together  ;D

though you would think ,the "new old bricks" would be a little more uniform than the 1890 originals
which vary 15mm in length  :P

So I would say brick technology  ,like cars have  moved on over the years
UNLIKE women ,fighting over petty things  :D  ;D

Yes Dave! I once thought that I understood women - then I woke up!  :D

Ron.

 :o :o :o :o :o  Both of you should be so ashamed of yourselves making such comments........now I could have a go about MEN, but I'm a lady! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* ;)

That wouldn't take long, though, you see. Just ensure a suitable supply of beer, petrol and grilled meat products and we're happy. Next? :y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjUFYxSxDk

This explains the difference between men & women quite well. ::)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 10 June 2018, 11:58:41

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjUFYxSxDk

This explains the difference between men & women quite well. ::)
Excellent  :)
explains alot
I have good ear defenders attached to a hard hat , works for me  ;)
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Mr Gav on 10 June 2018, 18:18:53

No, I put a coat of Unibond on it and rendered it ugly concrete.  :P
SHHHHH
Don't tell Lizzie ,she don't like concrete walls  :y
You can make them some interesting colours with the dyes available now. Dark blue rendered wall anyone?  ;D
why not go the whole hog clicky linky  (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brick-Effect-Wallpaper-Textured-Embossed-Vinyl-Slate-Stone-Rustic-Realistic-Red/372102497013?epid=3007021865&hash=item56a30982f5:g:cdoAAOSwjM5aHYoj)  ;D

or pattern imprint when wet ,and dye to look like bricks

or brick slips

or knock the wall down and rebuild it in staff blues (I have a stock of originals here £1 a pop + P&P) ;D

Just why would anyone WANT to build walls in Staffordshire blues?

The worst brick ever to use, they're ugly and difficult to wall and their only redeeming feature is their water resistant properties.
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: dave the builder on 10 June 2018, 19:57:56
Just why would anyone WANT to build walls in Staffordshire blues?
build once , admire handywork , check pointing in 100 years time   :y
when the wall will probably say " go away ,i'm fine and going nowhere " in a harder than nails voice  ;D
 
The worst brick ever to use, they're ugly and difficult to wall and their only redeeming feature is their water resistant properties.
hard to lay maybe  :y
UGLY ?  :o  have to disagree there  ???
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 June 2018, 21:06:56
For those like me who havn't a clue what a Staffordshire Blue brick is, here (https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&biw=1366&bih=662&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=54MdW7zBLMXwgAbMtpP4Cw&q=staffordshire+blue+brick+buildings&oq=staffordshire+blue+brick+buildings&gs_l=img.12...109003.111931.0.113930.10.10.0.0.0.0.133.975.7j3.10.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.1.130...0j0i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.EZoTSzkL1TM) are some photos!  :)

Have to say they do look hard as nails!  ::)  Sort of thing prisons and barracks are built of.  :y
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Rods2 on 10 June 2018, 23:57:55
For those like me who havn't a clue what a Staffordshire Blue brick is, here (https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&biw=1366&bih=662&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=54MdW7zBLMXwgAbMtpP4Cw&q=staffordshire+blue+brick+buildings&oq=staffordshire+blue+brick+buildings&gs_l=img.12...109003.111931.0.113930.10.10.0.0.0.0.133.975.7j3.10.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.1.130...0j0i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.EZoTSzkL1TM) are some photos!  :)

Have to say they do look hard as nails!  ::)  Sort of thing prisons and barracks are built of.  :y

They look like they will blend in perfectly with the soot covered ones from the era of steam and satanic mills. :o :o :o It black and grim up t'north. :P :P :P
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: aaronjb on 11 June 2018, 08:25:58
For those like me who havn't a clue what a Staffordshire Blue brick is, here (https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&biw=1366&bih=662&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=54MdW7zBLMXwgAbMtpP4Cw&q=staffordshire+blue+brick+buildings&oq=staffordshire+blue+brick+buildings&gs_l=img.12...109003.111931.0.113930.10.10.0.0.0.0.133.975.7j3.10.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.1.130...0j0i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.EZoTSzkL1TM) are some photos!  :)

Have to say they do look hard as nails!  ::)  Sort of thing prisons and barracks are built of.  :y

Love the look of them, personally. Then again, I am a big fan of concrete brutalist architecture of the kind Lizzie would probably like to see torn down (like most of Southbank Centre)..
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 June 2018, 18:06:25
For those like me who havn't a clue what a Staffordshire Blue brick is, here (https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&biw=1366&bih=662&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=54MdW7zBLMXwgAbMtpP4Cw&q=staffordshire+blue+brick+buildings&oq=staffordshire+blue+brick+buildings&gs_l=img.12...109003.111931.0.113930.10.10.0.0.0.0.133.975.7j3.10.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.1.130...0j0i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.EZoTSzkL1TM) are some photos!  :)

Have to say they do look hard as nails!  ::)  Sort of thing prisons and barracks are built of.  :y

Love the look of them, personally. Then again, I am a big fan of concrete brutalist architecture of the kind Lizzie would probably like to see torn down (like most of Southbank Centre)..

Indeed, it has always looked ugly, and still does.  One for demolition! :y
Title: Re: Charmer Lord Opti causes problems.....
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 June 2018, 18:09:06
For those like me who havn't a clue what a Staffordshire Blue brick is, here (https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&biw=1366&bih=662&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=54MdW7zBLMXwgAbMtpP4Cw&q=staffordshire+blue+brick+buildings&oq=staffordshire+blue+brick+buildings&gs_l=img.12...109003.111931.0.113930.10.10.0.0.0.0.133.975.7j3.10.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.1.130...0j0i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.EZoTSzkL1TM) are some photos!  :)

Have to say they do look hard as nails!  ::)  Sort of thing prisons and barracks are built of.  :y

They look like they will blend in perfectly with the soot covered ones from the era of steam and satanic mills. :o :o :o It black and grim up t'north. :P :P :P


But good, honest and reliable like the goods that were once produced in the factory of Britain, and in some cases still are.  You get what you see. :y