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The 18th Edition of the wiring regs. is published on the 2nd July and comes into force in January 2019.
https://www.wiringregulations.net/pages/18th-edition-wiring-regs (https://www.wiringregulations.net/pages/18th-edition-wiring-regs)
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Thanks for posting that :y :y
Essential reading for any of us who work with electrics around the home, and I have been awaiting the latest update. 8)
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Half the people here will still be on wylex re-wireable fuses and round pin plugs :P
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Half the people here will still be on wylex re-wireable fuses and round pin plugs :P
You joke about that, but last year a friend of mine, who is a builder, had to stop a professional electrical contractor, hired by his major housing association landlord, from wiring up a complete flat re-wire to an old, ceramic and wire fuse consumer unit!!
I, with other experiences surrounding so called "qualified electricians" just wonder how many of them actually read and always put into practice the current regs. Bloody frightening, especially as one incident two years ago started a ceiling fire due to mis-wiring of what I would call a very simple lighting circuit :o :o :o
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A Former neighbour of mine worked as an electrician for a left wing national newspaper. If you saw how his house outside lights are wired, you know he had never read any wiring regs. :o
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A Former neighbour of mine worked as an electrician for a left wing national newspaper. If you saw how his house outside lights are wired, you know he had never read any wiring regs. :o
I can quite believe it! :o :o ;)
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A Former neighbour of mine worked as an electrician for a left wing national newspaper. If you saw how his house outside lights are wired, you know he had never read any wiring regs. :o
I can quite believe it! :o :o ;)
"the cobbler's shoes are never fixed"
with Bs7671 people make the mistake of interpreting one section rule applies ,and if their solution covers that rule, all is good .
BUT , other sections and rules must also be met .
still have a chuckle to myself when Billy "prince of darkness / DIY SOS" says "ring main" instead of ring final circuit
ring main being the term for the DNO supply cables
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Back in my college lecturing days, we had a Principal lecturer for the sparks' courses who trained and rehearsed his students religiously into answering vast numbers of their City and Guilds final exam papers, so that they were word-perfect on the day. Obviously, his pass rate was immaculate, and the Department Head never sussed him - or didn't want to?
I was seconded from the \Electronics Department to service that aspect of the Electricians' course, as this bloke knew nothing about electronics - nor much else, really!
When I first met this group, I started by outlining the Scheme of Work, and what they were expected to know, along with sample of Lesson Plans.
I was not expecting the astonished reaction that I got....."Wow, you are not going to TEACH us, are you Sir?"
I think that says it all, but isn't if frightening that so many tradesmen are released "fully qualified! with a licence to practise, not having much of a clue what they are doing? :o ::)
Ron.
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I did my apprenticeship when the 14th Edition (1966) was current ( :) ) did a 17th Edition update quite a few years ago.. Most of my work was breakdown maintenance but I'm now retired...
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I can remember my Father asking a yoof( not that many years ago ) in the local DIY store for one of those ancient socket connectors that plugged into the light fitting so he could run some power off it , the poor kid just looked baffled ;D
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Half the people here will still be on wylex re-wireable fuses and round pin plugs :P
Still got them here, nothing wrong with that, does the job, trick is when they blow to then run additional three or four fuse wires together, twist them together, that way the current is shared among each one, so when one them does blow you've still the other three to take over without any interruption in supply. Although I must admit I not had any blow since then. :D
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Half the people here will still be on wylex re-wireable fuses and round pin plugs :P
Still got them here, nothing wrong with that, does the job, trick is when they blow to then run additional three or four fuse wires together, twist them together, that way the current is shared among each one, so when one them does blow you've still the other three to take over without any interruption in supply. Although I must admit I not had any blow since then. :D
Hope your not in your house ,WHEN it burns down ::)
hope you at least use RCD protection ,live close to a fire station, have "house is burning down due to electrical fires" alarms fitted , and wear thick rubber gloves and wellies everywhere :y
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Half the people here will still be on wylex re-wireable fuses and round pin plugs :P
Still got them here, nothing wrong with that, does the job, trick is when they blow to then run additional three or four fuse wires together, twist them together, that way the current is shared among each one, so when one them does blow you've still the other three to take over without any interruption in supply. Although I must admit I not had any blow since then. :D
Hope your not in your house ,WHEN it burns down ::)
hope you at least use RCD protection ,live close to a fire station, have "house is burning down due to electrical fires" alarms fitted , and wear thick rubber gloves and wellies everywhere :y
No need for wellies dont have Damp anymore, in fact the since my mod we dont have any condensation on the Bathroom or Kitchen walls anymore either.
Phew its warm in here again , looks like I need to leave the windows open again tonight.
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Half the people here will still be on wylex re-wireable fuses and round pin plugs :P
Still got them here, nothing wrong with that, does the job, trick is when they blow to then run additional three or four fuse wires together, twist them together, that way the current is shared among each one, so when one them does blow you've still the other three to take over without any interruption in supply. Although I must admit I not had any blow since then. :D
Hope your not in your house ,WHEN it burns down ::)
hope you at least use RCD protection ,live close to a fire station, have "house is burning down due to electrical fires" alarms fitted , and wear thick rubber gloves and wellies everywhere :y
...........plus zirk, I have to ask, when was the last electrical testing done in your home? :o :o :o
Also, if you are being serious with your comments your insurance cover may well become null and void when you try to claim, and if anyone dies a manslaughter charge could be on offer!! :o :o ::)
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Half the people here will still be on wylex re-wireable fuses and round pin plugs :P
Still got them here, nothing wrong with that, does the job, trick is when they blow to then run additional three or four fuse wires together, twist them together, that way the current is shared among each one, so when one them does blow you've still the other three to take over without any interruption in supply. Although I must admit I not had any blow since then. :D
Hope your not in your house ,WHEN it burns down ::)
hope you at least use RCD protection ,live close to a fire station, have "house is burning down due to electrical fires" alarms fitted , and wear thick rubber gloves and wellies everywhere :y
No need for wellies dont have Damp anymore, in fact the since my mod we dont have any condensation on the Bathroom or Kitchen walls anymore either.
Phew its warm in here again , looks like I need to leave the windows open again tonight.
That would be the underfloor heating (and in wall heating ) due to cables glowing ;D
guess your not at home much then , (at work all the time , to pay the electric bill)
or does it all run off an extension lead ,plugged into the lamp post ?
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Half the people here will still be on wylex re-wireable fuses and round pin plugs :P
Still got them here, nothing wrong with that, does the job, trick is when they blow to then run additional three or four fuse wires together, twist them together, that way the current is shared among each one, so when one them does blow you've still the other three to take over without any interruption in supply. Although I must admit I not had any blow since then. :D
Hope your not in your house ,WHEN it burns down ::)
hope you at least use RCD protection ,live close to a fire station, have "house is burning down due to electrical fires" alarms fitted , and wear thick rubber gloves and wellies everywhere :y
...........plus zirk, I have to ask, when was the last electrical testing done in your home? :o :o :o
Also, if you are being serious with your comments your insurance cover may well become null and void when you try to claim, and if anyone dies a manslaughter charge could be on offer!! :o :o ::)
Electrical Testing>, when did that come out then.
As for the Insurance, yea it is a risk leaving the windows open at night, but we do have a low crime rate around here. In fact used to be a problem leaving the windows open due to the Mosquitoes and the like but they dont seem to bother anymore, maybe something to do with loud buzzing hum coming from the Utility Cupboard.
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Half the people here will still be on wylex re-wireable fuses and round pin plugs :P
Still got them here, nothing wrong with that, does the job, trick is when they blow to then run additional three or four fuse wires together, twist them together, that way the current is shared among each one, so when one them does blow you've still the other three to take over without any interruption in supply. Although I must admit I not had any blow since then. :D
Hope your not in your house ,WHEN it burns down ::)
hope you at least use RCD protection ,live close to a fire station, have "house is burning down due to electrical fires" alarms fitted , and wear thick rubber gloves and wellies everywhere :y
...........plus zirk, I have to ask, when was the last electrical testing done in your home? :o :o :o
Also, if you are being serious with your comments your insurance cover may well become null and void when you try to claim, and if anyone dies a manslaughter charge could be on offer!! :o :o ::)
Electrical Testing>, when did that come out then.
As for the Insurance, yea it is a risk leaving the windows open at night, but we do have a low crime rate around here. In fact used to be a problem leaving the windows open due to the Mosquitoes and the like but they dont seem to bother anymore, maybe something to do with loud buzzing hum coming from the Utility Cupboard.
Now I know you are joking zirk!! ;D ;D ;D :y
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Half the people here will still be on wylex re-wireable fuses and round pin plugs :P
Still got them here, nothing wrong with that, does the job, trick is when they blow to then run additional three or four fuse wires together, twist them together, that way the current is shared among each one, so when one them does blow you've still the other three to take over without any interruption in supply. Although I must admit I not had any blow since then. :D
Hope your not in your house ,WHEN it burns down ::)
hope you at least use RCD protection ,live close to a fire station, have "house is burning down due to electrical fires" alarms fitted , and wear thick rubber gloves and wellies everywhere :y
No need for wellies dont have Damp anymore, in fact the since my mod we dont have any condensation on the Bathroom or Kitchen walls anymore either.
Phew its warm in here again , looks like I need to leave the windows open again tonight.
That would be the underfloor heating (and in wall heating ) due to cables glowing ;D
guess your not at home much then , (at work all the time , to pay the electric bill)
or does it all run off an extension lead ,plugged into the lamp post ?
Ah, great minds think alike, but would never do anything like Dave, its illegal and sounds quiet dangerous to me.
........actually two Lamp posts, just the one wasn't enough, kept tripping .
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Now they've moved over to LED, our street light sockets are much more reliable :D
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I can remember my Father asking a yoof( not that many years ago ) in the local DIY store for one of those ancient socket connectors that plugged into the light fitting so he could run some power off it , the poor kid just looked baffled ;D
There's some of them knocking about at my parents house. Christmas tree fairy lights used to be plugged in with one. I forget now where I've seen the picture ... probably my parents, but it was of a woman ironing with her iron plugged into the light fitting above. :o
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I can remember my Father asking a yoof( not that many years ago ) in the local DIY store for one of those ancient socket connectors that plugged into the light fitting so he could run some power off it , the poor kid just looked baffled ;D
There's some of them knocking about at my parents house. Christmas tree fairy lights used to be plugged in with one. I forget now where I've seen the picture ... probably my parents, but it was of a woman ironing with her iron plugged into the light fitting above. :o
Ahem,there's on in my garage although not doing anything..............yet,actually having holidayed lots in France and Spain there wiring is truly shocking
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Andy, would that be like one we had at home (ahem) a few years back - norman light straight throughm and another connector at 45 degrees for whatever else?
If I remeber aright, it had a red plastic slide switch to turn the angled socket on and off.
Ron.
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Andy, would that be like one we had at home (ahem) a few years back - norman light straight throughm and another connector at 45 degrees for whatever else?
If I remeber aright, it had a red plastic slide switch to turn the angled socket on and off.
Ron.
No. This was as if you had the metal bayonette part of a light bulb & added a wire instead of the glass bit ..... obviously made of the finest bakalite. :y
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fill ya boots :y
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/B22-Bayonet-Light-Adaptor-Plug-BC-Bulb-Holder-Connector-Lamp-Socket-Extension-/381454911511?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c10 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/B22-Bayonet-Light-Adaptor-Plug-BC-Bulb-Holder-Connector-Lamp-Socket-Extension-/381454911511?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c10)
add more stuff to plug in too :y
https://www.flameport.com/electric_museum/bayonet_BS52/BEEKA_double_BS52_adaptor.cs4 (https://www.flameport.com/electric_museum/bayonet_BS52/BEEKA_double_BS52_adaptor.cs4)
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or this one ??
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-LYVIA-1334-EMPIRE-MADE-Bakelite-2-Way-Bayonet-Light-Fitting-Adapter/263733199317?hash=item3d67b941d5:g:h9QAAOSwnhpapwIt
:)
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fill ya boots :y
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/B22-Bayonet-Light-Adaptor-Plug-BC-Bulb-Holder-Connector-Lamp-Socket-Extension-/381454911511?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c10 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/B22-Bayonet-Light-Adaptor-Plug-BC-Bulb-Holder-Connector-Lamp-Socket-Extension-/381454911511?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c10)
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That was the kind of thing ..... but Bakalite Brown :y
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Half the people here will still be on wylex re-wireable fuses and round pin plugs :P
Still got them here, nothing wrong with that, does the job, trick is when they blow to then run additional three or four fuse wires together, twist them together, that way the current is shared among each one, so when one them does blow you've still the other three to take over without any interruption in supply. Although I must admit I not had any blow since then. :D
Hope your not in your house ,WHEN it burns down ::)
hope you at least use RCD protection ,live close to a fire station, have "house is burning down due to electrical fires" alarms fitted , and wear thick rubber gloves and wellies everywhere :y
Place my parents bought last year had this type of fuse board, one of the circuits was “fused” with a cut section of steel nail :o. Needless to say none of the old installation had been retained!
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Half the people here will still be on wylex re-wireable fuses and round pin plugs :P
Still got them here, nothing wrong with that, does the job, trick is when they blow to then run additional three or four fuse wires together, twist them together, that way the current is shared among each one, so when one them does blow you've still the other three to take over without any interruption in supply. Although I must admit I not had any blow since then. :D
The 'approved' chippie technical solution is much so easier it is called a 'nail'. :o :o :o
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Back in my college lecturing days, we had a Principal lecturer for the sparks' courses who trained and rehearsed his students religiously into answering vast numbers of their City and Guilds final exam papers, so that they were word-perfect on the day. Obviously, his pass rate was immaculate, and the Department Head never sussed him - or didn't want to?
I was seconded from the \Electronics Department to service that aspect of the Electricians' course, as this bloke knew nothing about electronics - nor much else, really!
When I first met this group, I started by outlining the Scheme of Work, and what they were expected to know, along with sample of Lesson Plans.
I was not expecting the astonished reaction that I got....."Wow, you are not going to TEACH us, are you Sir?"
I think that says it all, but isn't if frightening that so many tradesmen are released "fully qualified! with a licence to practise, not having much of a clue what they are doing? :o ::)
Ron.
As the saying goes Ron:
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
You can lead a student to knowledge but you can't make him think.
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I can remember my Father asking a yoof( not that many years ago ) in the local DIY store for one of those ancient socket connectors that plugged into the light fitting so he could run some power off it , the poor kid just looked baffled ;D
Last time I looked, you could still buy them at my old school DIY store in Sandhurst. If not, the catalogs will come out and he will order one where it is on the page between left & right hand electrical widgets. :y
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I can remember my Father asking a yoof( not that many years ago ) in the local DIY store for one of those ancient socket connectors that plugged into the light fitting so he could run some power off it , the poor kid just looked baffled ;D
There's some of them knocking about at my parents house. Christmas tree fairy lights used to be plugged in with one. I forget now where I've seen the picture ... probably my parents, but it was of a woman ironing with her iron plugged into the light fitting above. :o
It was a very common practice during my childhood :D ;)
But now the fact is that modern irons, especially the steam versions, use up to 2,400 watts, so pulling off around 10 amps, which is totally unsuitable for 5/6 amp wiring fused limit of lighting circuits! ;)
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I can remember my Father asking a yoof( not that many years ago ) in the local DIY store for one of those ancient socket connectors that plugged into the light fitting so he could run some power off it , the poor kid just looked baffled ;D
There's some of them knocking about at my parents house. Christmas tree fairy lights used to be plugged in with one. I forget now where I've seen the picture ... probably my parents, but it was of a woman ironing with her iron plugged into the light fitting above. :o
It was a very common practice during my childhood :D ;)
But now the fact is that modern irons, especially the steam versions, use up to 2,400 watts, so pulling off around 10 amps, which is totally unsuitable for 5/6 amp wiring fused limit of lighting circuits! ;)
Old wire fuses will glow quite happy for long enough to get a weeks washing made flat with one of them electric hot triangle contraptions :y
No earth point on them b22 adapters though ,so , don't slosh too much water about :y
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I can remember my Father asking a yoof( not that many years ago ) in the local DIY store for one of those ancient socket connectors that plugged into the light fitting so he could run some power off it , the poor kid just looked baffled ;D
There's some of them knocking about at my parents house. Christmas tree fairy lights used to be plugged in with one. I forget now where I've seen the picture ... probably my parents, but it was of a woman ironing with her iron plugged into the light fitting above. :o
It was a very common practice during my childhood :D ;)
But now the fact is that modern irons, especially the steam versions, use up to 2,400 watts, so pulling off around 10 amps, which is totally unsuitable for 5/6 amp wiring fused limit of lighting circuits! ;)
Old wire fuses will glow quite happy for long enough to get a weeks washing made flat with one of them electric hot triangle contraptions :y
No earth point on them b22 adapters though ,so , don't slosh too much water about :y
My grandmother had the right idea. When I was a very young child I remember seeing her still using fire irons; that is those solid pieces of metal shaped similar to a modern iron that was heated by placing them over an open fire or on top of a range. An environmentalists dream, without a bit of leccy used! 8) 8) ;D ;)
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.... When I was a very young child I remember seeing her still using fire irons; that is those solid pieces of metal shaped similar to a modern iron that was heated by placing them over an open fire or on top of a range. An environmentalists dream, without a bit of leccy used! 8) 8) ;D ;)
Flat irons ..... ;) There are some at home, they make good door stops. :y
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.... When I was a very young child I remember seeing her still using fire irons; that is those solid pieces of metal shaped similar to a modern iron that was heated by placing them over an open fire or on top of a range. An environmentalists dream, without a bit of leccy used! 8) 8) ;D ;)
Flat irons ..... ;) There are some at home, they make good door stops. :y
Indeed, and yes they were called flat irons comes to think about it!
Later, once nan had been persuaded to buy a new fangled electric iron, she used them for that purpose throughout her home, as did my Great Aunt. They couldn't be without them I suppose. ;)
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.... When I was a very young child I remember seeing her still using fire irons; that is those solid pieces of metal shaped similar to a modern iron that was heated by placing them over an open fire or on top of a range. An environmentalists dream, without a bit of leccy used! 8) 8) ;D ;)
Flat irons ..... ;) There are some at home, they make good door stops. :y
Agreed I have three of my late mums holding my doors open in this scorcheo weather :y
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a few years ago i changed my old fuse box for a consumer unit and the wife thought i was daft and annoyed i had to kick her out of the house for a few hours while i did it,three weeks later she rings me saying told you it was stupid the powers gone in the house what i found out later when i got home was my lad had stuck a knife in the toaster and she didnt like the big smug grin on my face(stupid eh) 8)
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Yep remember those light socket things for powering other electrical items-like irons-flat irons for those who couldn't afford or distrusted those new fangled electric irons-a mangle atop the washing machine a wooden "mushroom" for darning socks and a metal three legged thing with different shapes/sizes on the end of each leg for doing shoe repairs-you never threw anything out whilst ever it could be mended and eventually it became a "hand-me-down"...……….first up best dressed ;D
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That 3-legged cobblers tool was called a Hobbing Foot, Baza; I saw one at a boot sale last year for the first tjme since my grandfather died - he did all our shoes!
Our mangle was in the lean-to, near the outside bog!
In the "Scullery" was the Copper, a huge tub about 6 feet across and made of copper, with a fireplace underneath to heat the water for washing. We never used that, having a posh gas-fired version.
That's East London for you.....
Ron.